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Draft '08: Players That Fit The Need

With this season securely gone to shit, our one source of hope is the upcoming lottery and NBA draft. At the moment, the Knicks are the fifth-worst team in the NBA. New York currently has about an 8.8% chance of winning the first pick, and will more likely draft around the fifth spot. So, for the moment, let's put aside any aspirations of acquiring Michael Beasley or Derrick Rose.

The first question for a bad team at the draft is whether to address specific needs or to just select the best player available. There are risks to both. Drafting by position, you might pass over a star. Drafting by player, you might be faced with a bad fit. So what of New York? The Knicks suck, no doubt, but we've got sufficient and quality personnel at several positions. This is open to discussion, but I'm of the belief that the right kind of help at the two most specialized positions, point guard and/or center, could do wonders in improving this team. Assuming that Stephon Marbury is out of the long-term equation and the EZ Money tandem has been deemed a failure, there's room at both positions. Let's look at some of the available guys.

Point Guard- In a point guard, I'd like to see a real leader with a positive attitude, good IQ, and an ability to distribute and defend, even at the expense of athletic ability and size. A few guys that might fit  the need:

Jerryd Bayless, Arizona
D.J. Augustin, Texas
Darren Collison, UCLA
Ty Lawson, UNC
Russell Westbrook, UCLA

I'm particularly interested in Westbrook, who isn't even projected in the first round in some mocks, but has shown marked improvement and might see a jump in value with good play in the tournament.

Center: I'm of the opinion that the Knicks could use a tall, mobile center with a defensive mindset to play comfortably alongside Randolph or Lee. Shooting ability and general offensive skills other than passing are less important. Some possibilities:

Brook Lopez, Stanford
DeAndre Jordan, Texas A&M
Roy Hibbert, Georgetown
Hasheem Thabeet, UConn

Now, not all these guys exactly fit my descriptions, and some of them are probably long shots at the 5 spot. I do feel that each of them reflects part of what I'd like to see on an improving Knick team. A look at a number of the up-and-coming teams of the past few years (New Orleans, Utah, Portland for starters) leads me to believe that focused drafting is the cheap, painless way to improvement. I open it up to you guys, though. Are the needs I mentioned in tune with your own feelings? Are there any players I left out/wrongfully included? Are some guys (Gordon, Mayo for instance) too good to pass up, regardless of need? Which need is the most dire? I'm sure most of you know more of today's college players than I do, so offer up your thoughts. We'll be more talking more and more on the draft in the next couple of months, so keep an eye on college and foreign ball, tool around with the lottery machine, and feel free to share what you know.

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If you're the Knicks
You go for a point guard, plain and simple.

There's no reason to go for a big man when you have no one running the offense at the point. Nate can't do it -- yet, and Crawford... he really shouldn't even try. You always go for a point guard first...

I'd go for Bayless, he's great at running the point, and I feel Lawson is going to flop in the NBA. Too soft for my liking.

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by JoshL on Mar 6, 2008 5:44 PM EST   0 recs

i tend to agree,
but at the same time, a point guard, unless they're extremely motivating, isn't going to change the defensive dynamic of the whole team. a shot-blocking big man might. just a thought.
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by Seth on Mar 6, 2008 6:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

the question being
Are we giving up on Morris as a big?

Or rather:
Is it a big role player, you want at the 5, or do you want a franchise player?
If the former is the case, then in my perception, there is no need to "waste" a first round pick. Decent big men can be found later in the draft. (If you even have to draft 'em... let's say one can overpay in a trade on Sam Dalembert... one thing the Knicks are good at: throwing money at problems, 'til they go or fade away.)

Cya Wraith

by wraith on Mar 6, 2008 6:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

that's a very good point.
unfortunately, we don't have another pick. trade for picks? you could definitely get someone like thabeet later on.
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by Seth on Mar 6, 2008 6:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

'nough crap to blow for picks on the roster
Dropping Curry, James, Marbury, Collins, Jones...
Should lure someone (Wallace, McHale?) into spending a pick.

Faint hope though... and as long as Isiah is coaching and poaching, the noobs won't play anyway.

Cya Wraith

by wraith on Mar 6, 2008 9:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

and no
i'm not giving up on morris. but i am giving up on all other knick big men. either way, i would agree with josh that point guard is a more dire need.
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by Seth on Mar 6, 2008 6:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yo, imagine Thabeet and Bayless on the Knicks
how fucking awesome would that be? I'd give up Randolph for those two. And Curry. But who would want Curry?

... Pat Riley would be stupid enough to go for him... :D

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by JoshL on Mar 6, 2008 7:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

hibbert would be a disaster
he has bust written all over him.  he is slow, soft, and he doesn't rebound the basketball despite being 9 feet tall.

bayless is absolutely sick (as in disgustingly good) but he's been shooting up the charts and may go somewhere in the top five. augstin wouldn't be a bad fall back plan - he'll be somewhere in the lottery.  i do like westbrook, but not as much as augstin and bayless.  collison and lawson from NC would be too much of a reach from where the knicks are selecting (5-8 range).  

thabeet would improve the interior defense tremendously but he is absolutely hopeless offensively - then again curry is hopeless on both ends so i guess that would be an improvement.  deandre jordan would be a high-risk, high-reward move as he has the most potential out of any of those bigs (scouts say he could be like dwight howard).

i would be thrilled with bayless or jordan, and i also wouldn't mind if they drafted eric gordon so i could get his jersey.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Mar 6, 2008 7:28 PM EST   0 recs

My bet is on Gordon
First, let me address the above post which I really disagree with.

As a current Georgetown student I've watched a lot of Roy Hibbert over the past 2 years, and I can say confidently that he will NOT be a bust. He has great hands, is a solid defender, and has a very consistent, unstoppable baby hook shot that will serve him well at the next level. Furthermore, he is a spectacular passer (by far the best big man passer in this draft) and has proven that he can be a powerful defense presence which manifests itself more in shorts altered than in blocked shots. For his size (7,2), he has adequate speed, and his rebounding numbers are poor largely because of the way Gtown's offensive and defensives sets are structured.

He will be a successful 20ish minutes a game player in the NBA for a very long time. While I agree that he doesn't have all star potential, he is one of the safest picks in the draft in terms of future output. He is NBA ready and will be a consistent role player, much like his former teammate Jeff Green.

HOWEVER, he is more likely a 10-15th pick this year, and rightfully so. He is a reach at 5 in my opinion, and I don't expect him to go nearly that high. By the way, Hibbert will be a superior pro in every way to Thabeet, mark that down. People talk about Thabeet's learning curve, but Hibbert's  has been just as impressive. Hibbert has developed more in 4 years than any current college player, and like Thabeet he has a lot of further potential. Oh, and Hibbert has stomped on Thabeet when they've played head to head. Thabeet would be a WASTE at 5.

That being said, having seen Gordon play I think that his level of talent would be impossible to pass up irregardless of team needs. Lets be honest, in 3 years probably 3-4 players on this current roster will still be with the team, so drafting into positions where we have some relative current depth (what does that even mean, anyway) is not a worry I have. This is a long term building process, and a great talent like Gordon would be a great asset in a few years. that being said, I don't know the particulars about him going pro. Maybe someone with more knowledge could weigh in because for all I know he might be staying at IU.

PS: watching lopez right now. Will be a good player, but like Hibbert I think 5 is too high. Really doesn't strike me as a true 5 in the NBA, anyway.

I'm think I'm gonna average like 10 points, like 12-13 dimes, like 2.. 3 assists and about 4 -5 rebounds

by HoyaKnicksFan on Mar 7, 2008 12:40 AM EST   0 recs

and as a former IU student
and Hoosier fan, eric gordon is talented but extremely raw.  he is a lights-out shooter but is undersized at 6'3 and is too turnover prone.  his defense needs a lot of improvement but i think he can develop into a good defender because of his size and quickness.  i just don't see how he is a good fit for the knicks, especially with all the scoring guards they currently have on the roster.

getting to hibbert, i probably haven't seen him as much as you have (but i've seen him 10-12 times this year and probably more than 20 times over his career).  obviously most people are going to be biased towards the players that go to their school, as you are with hibbert.  i love DJ white and i think he is an outstanding college player but he won't be a good pro.

my main problem with roy hibbert is that he's 18th in the Big East in rebounding.  18th!  i dont care what kind of sets georgetown runs or what defense they play, you can't be 7-feet plus and average a measley 6 rebounds a game.  thabeet averages a full two blocks more than him per game as well.  thabeet is horrible offensively but he is worlds better as a shot-blocker/rebounder than hibbert is.  it's not that i don't like hibbert, it's just that he is not aggressive enough.  sticking with the big east, id much rather have someone like harangody who fights for every rebound and can score.  

you say that hibbert "will be a successful 20ish minutes a game player in the NBA for a very long time", so basically he will be DeSagana Diop?  i think thabeet has more potential to be a poor man's Dikembe Mutumbo.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Mar 7, 2008 9:59 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

This is why I'd rather the Knicks do NOT
get a center.

Too many center's turn out to be huge flops in the NBA. I say point guard first, then we see if we can get a deal and hope for the best, when it comes to a strong center.

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by JoshL on Mar 7, 2008 1:01 PM EST   0 recs

As a Former UconnStudent
(i transferred out last year)

Hasheem isthebest defensive center inthe draft, and he's still very raw. He has anchored the top shot blocking NCAA team, and a team consistently in the top 10 in FG% against. And last year he was hopeless at offense, this year not as much. HE has only been ballin organized for 5 years, INCLUDING college.

That said,

The knicks will prolly get a pick too good to draft hasheem, who will probably go 10-20ish. I draft Bayless if I can...I don't like gordon. Hes the same as Ben Gordon. Amazing shot, but he's short. And if the knicks are to be good long term, we don't need a short ass shooting guard who cant D any 2's and 1/2 the 1's in the L. Even if he becomes good at D, he still stuck in between 1 and 2.

So in summary, i have no fucking clue who to draft... What do ppl think about this DeAndre Jordan dude? I havent aseen him play, and i know he wud be a long term project, thats about all i know...

waaaay 2 serious about the yanks and knicks? maybe... oh well

by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Mar 7, 2008 1:39 PM EST   0 recs

also
i kinda like what i hear about that french kid Nicky Batum...hes a tall athletic 2, which is a huge advantage in the league today...I dunno why, i Just feel like hes gonna haul ass eventually.
waaaay 2 serious about the yanks and knicks? maybe... oh well

by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Mar 7, 2008 1:41 PM EST   0 recs

Lottery machine
I just played the lottery machine 5 times and got the knicks winning rose at the 1st pick twice.

Now it has to happen right?

right?

by gbaked on Mar 7, 2008 2:21 PM EST   0 recs

what about
sexy kevin love

by Lucas Podolski on Mar 8, 2008 12:46 PM EST   0 recs

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