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Heat 115, Knicks 93

So...uh...anybody else down to just forget that one entirely? I, for one, would be perfectly willing to strike that game from the record and never mention it again after tonight. Before we commence pretending, though, I'll quickly recap the evening's calamities.

The Knicks played pretty nicely through a quarter and a half. The team wasn't shooting well from downtown, but there was a concerted effort to push the action. David Lee and Al Harrington slashed and drove with gusto, and the squad as a whole had the pick-and-roll working nicely when they weren't fast breaking. In a peculiar turn of events, it was the bench squad that eased off the throttle a bit. The second unit came in mid-way through the first quarter and the ball movement immediately slowed. There was far too little off-the-ball action, which wasn't helped by the fact that shots continued to miss badly.

On the other end, New York did a decent job to start. They switched just about everything, which didn't work too badly, given the positional ambiguity of the starting five. Dwyane Wade was forced to either shoot jumpers or pass, which boded well for a team that's used to getting torched by #3. 

The Knicks were down 4 after the first, despite shooting 1-13 from three. Things didn't look too bad...yet.

At some point in the mid- to late-second quarter, everything came crashing down. From that point forward, the offensive was awful and the defense was awfuler. There isn't much more to say. They didn't attack the basket or move the ball on offense. They didn't communicate or help on defense. Effort hit rock bottom, and this could very well have been a 30-point loss if it weren't for a late flurry of threes by Danilo Gallinari.

That's pretty much your game. 20 minutes of promise followed by 28 minutes of suck. A few player profiles, after the jump...

Star-divide

- David Lee simply couldn't defend Jermaine O'Neal, who appears to have re-grown some of the muscles in his legs and finished with 22 and 12 on 10-12 shooting. O'Neal repeatedly got clean looks at the rim despite Lee's efforts, and quickly forced the undersized Knick into 2 early fouls. This is going to continue to be a problem unless Lee suddenly sprouts up 3 inches or somebody else takes the burden of guarding the opposing big man. Defense aside, Dave probably had the most auspicious season-opener of any Knick. While the team was clicking, Lee's cuts were spot-on. He was able to catch and finish, even in traffic, and his 22 points (9-13) reflect a hard-nosed performance around the rim. Lee stepped out to shoot less than he did in preseason, but managed to can at least one mid-range jumper that I can remember.

- Chris Duhon did an excellent job running the pick-and-roll early, but completely fell asleep when the team started to slack a little. Du made it clear that he wanted to be more of a leader this season. I would've liked to see him show that.

- Wilson Chandler's second half wasn't bad, but he relied far too much on the three-pointer in the first half. There's no need for Wil to shoot 6 threes (1-6) in any game, but I doubt that will be the last time.

- I vaguely remember Al Harrington playing well, but his line (5-14, including 1-6 from downtown, for 15 points) disagrees.

- Danilo Gallinari spent the entire night hovering around the three-point line, which was a mixed blessing. Gallo started cold but eventually found his stroke in garbage time, and ended up shooting 7-13 from downtown. Props to Danilo for returning to form in the fourth quarter, but the man desperately needs to dribble now and then. The kid's got plenty of athletic talent, so being passive and shooting only once from inside the arc is inexcusable. I demand full-throttle Cock every night.( _ ).

- Tina Cervasio mentioned that Darko Milicic was "looking forward to playing with freedom" (Word.). Darko looked the part. He played pretty solid D, even when switched onto smaller players, and may have even surprised himself on offense. Darko followed a nice lefty finish with a spinning righty hook and stared quizzically at his non-dominant hand, much to the delight of the Knick bench. Darko scored just 4 points on 2-4 shooting, but pulled down 7 boards and snaggled 2 steals in 17 minutes. The big bro left the game after appearing to hurt his leg in the third quarter, but it didn't seem to be anything serious. I'll let you know if I hear anything abou tthat.

- Toney Douglas looked alright in garbage time, but didn't exactly DWTDD in his first-ever NBA minutes. He let Dwyane Wade burn him more than once, fouled Daequan Cook on a three-point attempt, then picked up a backcourt charge after steam-rolling Carlos Arroyo (I think). Toney only played 6 minutes on the night. He'll get 'em next time.

- Pretty sure that wasn't Nate Robinson out there, just some short guy they pulled off the street.

A few other things:

- Kenny Albert and the word "Jabbawockeez" were made for each other.

- I really hope a P&T citizen wins that pizza party with John Starks. I'm not gonna demand that the winner invite me to join, but I'd be pretty hurt otherwise.

- We learned that Wilson Chandler and Quentin Richardson ate dinner in Miami last night, and Q apparently gave Wil plenty of encouragement for the coming season. That's genuinely swell of him, and I'll add that Quentin is looking quite svelte.

Alright. My thoughts are in writing. I will now take an icepick to the part of my brain that remembers tonight's events. Seriously, though, tonight sucked, but that's just what Knicks basketball is like. It's a quirky, unpredictable team. There will be more games like tonight's. There will also be games in which New York looks like a playoff team. It wasn't a great start to the season, but it's also not the end of the world. There will be a new game and a clean slate on Friday, when the Knicks head to Charlotte to take on the Bobcats.

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Darko's fine. Also: Still tall.

He was looming grandly in his postgame interview and said he’s all good.

by Martha on Oct 28, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

mannnnnn

watched the world series instead
i feel dirty

by Rodger Sherman on Oct 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I watched both, the Yankees losing almost offsets the Knicks losing…. Almost.

by Pennywise on Oct 29, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunatly

the phillies winning offset the yankees losing

worst sports day ever

by gbaked on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true

As Jon Stewart said “I hate the Yankees and the Phillies…I’m a Mets fan. So, for me, [Sunday night] was like watching your wife fuck… the Yankees and the Phillies!”

Worst World Series ever.

by Pennywise on Oct 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darko needs to start

I’m sorry but having Jermaine O’neal drop 22 points on you is unacceptable. Darko’s offense wasn’t even awful, he’s not going to put up David Lee type finishing anytime soon but with a little confidence he should be able to contribute more than Jefferies

In Gallo’s defense when the team around you sucks so much, chucking 3’s is probably the best bet. The kid can rebound, he overall contributed more than Harrington.

by Nolan B on Oct 28, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Duhon made NO effort out there

I thought those Duke guys were supposed to be scrappy. I could not believe the lack of effort he made tonight. The best play he made all night was when he kept he dribble alive deep in the paint (1st quarter, I think). But, other than that, he was really lazy out there. Get some floor burns, Chris!

by davidvangorp on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

work in progress

is jeffries gonna start until some team worse than the nyk decides to trade for him? if so, darko could be riding the pine for awhile, which is a waste of our best rim defender.

gallo…put the ball on the ground…let it return…repeat. got to make some plays for guys if duhons just going to take a night off. congrats on the 7 3’s though

we’ll be 1-1 after friday

by Ray Smuckles on Oct 29, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Not worried

The game was a complete nightmare for all of the Knicks ballhandlers. Duhon, Nate and TD were miserable, the ball was not moving around and it was basically 5 Larry Hughes’ selfishly jacking up shots without conscience . Part of this I think had to be the messed up rotations of guys who didn’t play together that much during preseason.

The Knicks won’t shoot that poorly consistently. Darko will get the more time he deserves and I can’t belive D’antoni will fail so hard at making adjustments all season long. Gallo has nasty swag, I never would have thought he’d come out with a decent game after starting off so bad.

by runningdonut on Oct 29, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

In one word ‘forgettable’ works for me. Chemistry? Not this time. Nate was 0-fer. Heat speed seemed to neutralize all of his game. Leaderless at crunch time when someone needed to step up. Good to see Gallo finding the range.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Oct 29, 2009 6:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny.

That no matter who the coach is, no matter who the president is, no matter who the GM is, we’ve still been losing the same fucking way since 06.

Play well for one quarter. Die for two, and try to come back which never works in the other.

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by THEWILLY on Oct 29, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

free darko!

the idea that darko comes off the bench, and jeffries starts, to me, is total insanity. jeffries really bothers me. he’s so remarkably soft. pause. you could tell right from the opening tip. jermaine o’neal totally muscled that wimp. and you’re gonna see it all year. if someone wants to beat the great defense of jared jeffries, all they have to do is body that slug. he’ll get nervous, play jittery, and make a wimpy foul.

on the positive end, he had a nice box out on beasley in the first quarter.

duhon depresses me. we had the bounce, and he did too. and then we mailed it in.

gallinari cannot shoot unless there is a hand in his face.

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by stingy d on Oct 29, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

at the risk of betraying my ignorance

wouldn’t a five of

c: darko
pf: lee
sf: harrington
pg: duhon
sg: chandler

work just fine? so we can stop getting mutilated by any team that has an average offensive big man?

i don’t want to make too much of darko’s performance, but he looked ok. and this team isn’t going anywhere, and jeffries is god awful, and we haven’t been able to guard a big man in ….. i can’t remember.

so why not try something crazy and start a center at center?

by firejerrymanuel on Oct 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know what else

we were ok until the last 2 or 3 minutes of the first half. and then, 2 calls don’t go our way, so we just decide to piss and moan. that’s been a huge problem for years. we gotta play through some adversity once in a while.

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by stingy d on Oct 29, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Dunno

Even though the score was tied late in the 2nd, we weren’t really ‘OK’ because the offense was awful. We were only in it because of the defense. When the Heat started to compensate for that, and the defensive intensity lapsed a little, we were done. Our defensive intensity can be great, but teams with quality big men are going to find a way to exploit our undersizement, so we have to compensate for that by putting a lot of points on the board, and we were defintely not doing that until Gallo got hot late.

by fuhry on Oct 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

well by ok, i meant

that we still had a game on our hands. but we back down too easily. you could see it in that late run to close out the half. the heat decided to take over when we pouted, and we took it like an anus.

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by stingy d on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flipped between the Knicks and Yanks

and neither were pretty, but I’m also willing to pretend that neither actually happened. The thing that stood out for me though, was how badly the Knicks lack an identity. I’m usually dismissive of such terms, but with all the line-up experimentation during the preseason, the lack of having a true go-to player, and the propensity to straight up jack, the Knicks might be just a very confused team.

Memo to Wilson Chandler: Stop shooting threes. Please

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

semi-true

the identity is pick and roll offense. kick out to shooters.

but if your leaders (duhon/lee) don’t take the lead, then we’ll run into plenty of walls. and you got a guy like al harrington, who forces it all too often, and he is trying to be the leader, when really he is a third option at best.

does it bother anyone else that when harrington drives to the hoop, there is no hope for a pass and/or a smart decision?

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by stingy d on Oct 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I think Harrington is, sadly, our go to player, just because he can score in a number of ways and creates mismatches.

What I’m wondering is that when the shit hits the fan, what do the dudes of the team actually think? “Time to iso Harrington”? “Give the ball to Nate”? “Indiscriminately jack 3s”?

Barkley made that comment about this team degenerating into “I’m gonna get mine” mode after they start really losing. At first I called bull, but then I realized that that is a very strong possibilty. Some of these guys might as well have “Expring Contract” on the back of their jerseys, and when the season starts to get out of reach, I feel like there is little to prevent everyone from proclaiming themselves the first option. Yikes.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did we really get 450 comments on a game thread?

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

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by solanumbrella on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Imagine

if the Knicks would be, you know, good.

by Mount17 on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Impossible, not as long as I’m a fan, seems that I can only like underachieving or bad teams, I’m either cursed or you know a NY fan…

by Pennywise on Oct 29, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's happening a year ahead of schedule.

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Oct 29, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The heart and soul of the New York Knicks is DEFENSE! This attempt to make the Knicks

a West coast team is ridiculous. The front office is as bad as the Mets’ and until we demand that the Knicks get back to what made the team great, we will continue to watch a losing team.

by Shivling on Oct 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

the notion

that there is a specific “team” identity that must transcend the ages is ridiculous.

THE STEELERS ARE POWER RUNNING RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH… until they have mediocre running backs and good receivers.

is defense incredibly important? yes.

but acting as if there is a “knicks” brand basketball, and as such, any deviation from said blueprint is unthinkable…. well that’s retarded.

by firejerrymanuel on Oct 29, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

wrong

No, the heart and soul of Pat Riley’s Knicks teams was tough defense. That didn’t win them any championships either. The bottom line is that Lee, Gallinari, and Milicic played at an all-star level yesterday, but Robinson, Duhon, Jeffries, and Douglas played like overmatched highschoolers.

I know PER isn’t perfect, but check it out:
Gallinari 32.7
Lee 30.6
Milicic 25.1

Jeffries 2.9
Duhon 2.7
Douglas -10.1
Robinson -14.4

15 is average, 22 is likely all-star, 30 is mvp candidate.

by mindfeck on Oct 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nate disappearing

caught me off guard. I expect big things this year from him and to come out of the gate so flat was disappointing.

by gbaked on Oct 29, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey

did anyone get a live stream of any sort online? no league pass and no MSG in the Udelaware area…i need to be able to watch em. any justin.tv or myp2p luck for anyone out there?

reppin NYC, and my clothing line, Recruit Zero !

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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Oct 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Ive had some luck in the past with tomattotv and atdhe, but like with most streams sometimes they can be shutdown out of nowhere.

by Pennywise on Oct 29, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught it through the third quarter

on atdhe > to justintv but then it went dark. I was thinking of getting league pass, but I can’t really afford it. I wish I could pick just one team for 40 per season, instead of 7 for 85.

by fuhry on Oct 30, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

PIZZA PARTY WITH JOHN STARKS WHAT???!!?!?!?!?

WHY DID I MISS THE GAME :(

We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.

by psuwxman on Oct 29, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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