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(I usually hate referring to myself in the third person, but I needed an attention-grabber).

In case you didn't realize the season started, the Knicks are 0-2.  A blowout loss in Miami was followed by a double-overtime loss to the putrid Bobcats.  Here we go again.

Yet, a lot of you (some newbies to the site, which is great) are screaming for Mike D'Antoni and Donnie Walsh's heads on a platter.

Not to sound too blunt, but who cares?

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Is it frustrating that this team is pathetic?  Of course.  But, there's nothing that Walsh or anyone else could've done about it this season.  I mean, what's the difference between winning 20 games and 35 games?  In either scenario, the Knicks don't gain anything.  I hate to see this team be a last-place punchline, but it's not like the Knicks can become even more of a joke than they already are, even if they went 10-72.  The only thing that makes me want to punch the wall and mercilessly stomp on the heads of woodland critters is the fact that the Knicks don't have a first round pick this year.  There is no silver lining to winning 20 games.

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I hate you so much.

What happened to said first round pick (of the unprotected variety)?

Isiah Thomas (drink!) sent it to Phoenix, who then sent it to Utah.  In a hilarious chain of events, the Jazz will have acquired a potential top-five pick for Keon Clark and Ben Handlogten.  (Cue squirrel head-stomp)

Try blaming that on Walsh or D'Antoni.

It's silly to blame the new regime because no matter what they did via the draft or free agency, the Knicks wouldn't have improved enough to climb over Orlando, Boston, or Cleveland this season.  Hell, I doubt they could've even surpassed Atlanta or Chicago.  Would Jason Kidd have made that big of a difference?  How about Grant Hill?  Hey, maybe if it was 1997, the Knicks would've been one of the top teams in the league with that dynamic backcourt.

The focus is on the future as it should be.  The biggest mistake this franchise made was not rebuilding at the end of the Ewing era***, and trying to piece things together by throwing money all over the place.  The current regime seems to have some sort of plan in place which is a lot more than I can say for either Scott Layden or Isiah Thomas (drink!) and their whole Hire-a-Coach, Fire-a-Coach merry-go-round. 

***isn't it ironic that after all the Ewing-haters wanted him run out of town in late 90's, the Knicks haven't won a single playoff series since he was dealt?  2-7 playoff record and 7+ losing seasons since Ewing's departure - that was after fourteen straight years of making the playoffs and eight straight seasons of reaching at least the Conference Semifinals.  Guess what Bill Simmons?  Your Ewing Theory is fucking bullshit.

As for D'Antoni, it has to be tough to run SSOL with a bunch of guys that can't shoot the ball (outside of Gallo).  I'm going to hold off judging him until he has someone other than Chris Duhon starting at point.  At least he seems to be the best coach this team has had since JVG, even though that isn't really saying much.

I've sat through this entire decade of bad basketball and even worse management.  I'm almost numb to it.  The most surprising thing to me is that people are actually shocked to see this team struggle.  Any realistic fans knew that this was a group that on paper was going to struggle to win 30 games. 

April 29, 2001 is the date of the last Knicks' postseason victory (not to be confused with April 26, 1992 - the Sublime song).  That was almost nine years ago.

I'm frustrated just like all of you, but one more year of sucktitude isn't going to bother me. 

Give Walsh and D'Antoni a chance to right this ship. 

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Probably the worst part of this all...

is the no first rounder thing.

If this was this past season? I really wouldn’t shed all that much of a tear, cuz from Blake Griffen, Rubio, Thabeet, whoever…there really doesn’t seem to be any eye popping prospects in this past draft. Many guys may be solid..pause….players, but nothing like the 2010 draft.

Derrick Favors, John Wall. There are at least 6 more players who may be coming out, some one and done, some after they sophmore seasons, that are just ridiculous type prospects.

The 2010 draft seems like it could be a Lebron, Melo, Bosh, Wade type draft, with the depth throughout the 1st round too.

We all knew the Knicks would suck this year. Some hope for 40 wins. It still may happen, 2 games don’t tell you shit on the season.

Still, if the Knicks are the absolute worst team this season…its really gonna hurt.

Regardless of what happens in FA after this year…it would look a lot better with say…John Wall running the point.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh..

and yea, Simmons Ewing theory is stupid. Its more of a team rallying around their loss of a star player.

You can’t tell me the Twins didn’t miss Justin Morneau in the playoffs, even if they rallied around losing him and getting to the playoffs.

The Giants and the “Tiki Theory”? I still think its more coincidence that Tiki was absent and they won it all.

You can’t tell me the Giants wouldn’t be as good or better without a stable, 1600yd+ RB back there who doesn’t get injured..ever.

Did the Celtics do much better without Garnett Simmons? What about the Red Sox without Manny? Or the Patriots without Brady?

He’s a fool, like 95% of Boston homers are.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

The ‘Ewing Theory’ is complete bullshit. I remember the 99 season like it was yesterday. They were the 8 seed, but they were playing really well in the end of the season – with Ewing. They beat the top-seeded Heat in the first round – with Ewing. The swept 4th seeded Atlanta in the second round – with Ewing. On half an Achilles tendon. Then they won the first game of the Pacers series. With Ewing. Then, in game 2, Ewing tore his achilles tendon and played the whole game anyway… and they almost won it. Then, the Knicks, without Ewing, rallied and beat the Pacers 3 out the next 4 (all at home) with the help of a miracle 4 point play – and promptly got spanked in 5 games in the finals.

1999 playoffs New York Knicks with Ewing – W -8, L-3
1999 playoffs New York Knicks without Ewing – W-4, L-5

Ewing effect? Please. I think if Ewing had not tore his Achilles in game 2 of the Pacers series, they would have won that game, and the series in 4 or 5 games. And I think they really would have had a shot against the Spurs.

by fuhry on Nov 2, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i ain't sweatin it

the celtics were the worst team in the nba for long time and then they traded for garnett and ray allen and became the best team in the league. OVERNIGHT! add that to pierce and rondo, bong! ya’ll win stuff.

we keep gallo and lee, get lebron and wade or some junk and suddenly our shit is mad glamorous. it’s been a decade. i can wait until the end of d’antoni and walsh’s contracts to see how it looks. i ain’t worried.

the real kick in the sack is the pick debacle. not a celtics fanatic with a superbly backhanded compliment. and not dudes being all scared that this year is gonna break us.

yo man. duhon sucks. and he is the leader of the team. also al harrington is gonna be the first guy to go me-first when things get really ugly, and he is a team leader. we should just start the starting lineup i am about to set forth and tell the free agents that they can play with them if they want to.

peep game:

nate
gallo
wilson
lee
darko.

nate runs the pick and roll better than duhon because he can make a lay-up. so suck it. gallo is the future and it’s becoming pretty clear. wilson is a solid fourth or fifth option. david lee is a double double waiting to happen. and darko is a goon. every team needs a goon. let al harrington rot. let duhon be a professional and then during the off-season let him walk. let larry hughes eat shit. let larry hughes shit the shit out and re-eat the shit. let jeffries swim home from the center of the pacific ocean. let curry eat his way to oblivion. who else?

fuck em.

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by stingy d on Oct 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think this write-up (and this comment)

Need to be put on the front page.

People have been going bugshit about how horribly run the Knicks are.
Guess what? We have a cock that’ll make the all-star team at this point.

I don’t care if we lost 88 games. I just want an All-Star. That’ll be good enough for me this year.

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Nov 1, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the ball is in the cock's court

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by stingy d on Nov 1, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Said

The problem is the lack of a pick coupled with New York’s notoriously impatient fans is going to make it tough for the regime to survive if we aren’t a title contender in 2010. Unfortunately leftover Isaiah/Marbury nut riders like Berman are feeding to the masses the lie that Walsh’s plan is LeBron or bust, and if LeBron doesn’t come to NY – and let’s face it, we can’t expect it to happen, a lot of pressure is going to be on Dolan to sack the team and replace it by some fool like Barkley who will look again for short term fixes at the expense of the future.

D’antoni has made some questionable moves in the past two games but right now our best bet is to stick with what we have. I trust Walsh, there’s not much we can do until next summer.

by Nolan B on Oct 31, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree, dolan is a fool

but he plays it mostly hands-off. he let isiah run the ship into the ground and out the other side of the earth. he let scott layden ruin the culture. and i think it’s within reason to believe he will let walsh make four solid years of decisions without much restriction. i’m pretty sure wlah and d’antoni have four year contracts.

i could be wrong. but i’m listening to mase.

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by stingy d on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this post 100%.

And I think we even need to be prepared to be patient after 2010. Suppose we don’t land two top tier free agents like we are planning to? Maybe we just get one guy, and we have to wait until 2011 to get the 2nd guy? We’ll make the playoffs in 2010 and get out in the first or second round, and people will say Donnie’s plan was a failure, and start screaming for D’Antoni’s head.
     Screw those people. This is the first time since Ewing, that the franchise has had a plan. I willing to stand by and see this thing done correctly, even if it takes a long time.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hear here!

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by stingy d on Nov 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rock on

Agree 100%

Not having a 1st round pick is by far the worst. I cant believe IT did not even first 5 protect them. Un-Freakin-Believable.

But you dont put that in your decision making. Its a sunk cost, and you move on. Do fans in Phoenix even realize what they traded away?

As for Coach D and DW… I like Coach. I do not know much about the intricacies of a basketball system, having never actually played organized ball, but I feel that what we are seeing is not it. It is makeshift because we do not have the correct players. So I will not base it on this year. I take into account the respect the guy has in the league and the words of praise that comes out of players mouths. It also was telling that coach K (who I have MAD respect for) chose him to be his assistant coach for the Olympics.

Drafting Jennings looks like it would have been a good move, but the thing is when you draft someone in the 1st round you are 100% committed to developing that player for a good while. If Coach and DW did not feel that he was the right character to handle the system in this city I will say OK. While he was a good prospect, he was not a cant miss kinda guy…

by gbaked on Nov 2, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think dwayne wade can turn around this franchise today

thts how close we are guys. we r just one sure fire all star away from contending. thts how much faith i have in the coach and the supporting cast we can offer.

by karamjitm9090 on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thats the truth

and that is true for most teams in the league.

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by stingy d on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too Early

They got their first win and I missed it. I like the fact that Harrington comes off the bench. Harrington and Nate bring energy off the bench. Harrington plays like he wants to remain a Knick. I think if they continue the effort that showed in the last two games from the start they can be competitive. The problem is the center position no blocking or size and the point guard. Duhon, at best is a back up point. The starting line up should be: Gallo Lee Chandler, Hughes and Darko.

by Tinmanjr on Nov 3, 2009 1:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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