Hawks 114, Knicks 101
Oof. Is it too much ask for the Knicks to stick to the same script? An awful start and failed comeback would've had me perfectly at ease this evening. No such luck. New York flipped it up tonight, just to keep us interested and mess with our heads. They played a strong, cohesive first half, the Garden crowd rocking all the while. Toney Douglas got the start and looked sharp from the outset. Danilo Gallinari was connecting, Al Harrington was driving, and Larry Hughes was wreaking havoc on both ends. In a season of otherwise solid second halves, though, you bet your ass the Knicks picked this one to tank after halftime. The previously adequate defense completely crumbled, and the Knicks made bonehead play after clumsy mistake en route to a blowout loss.
It sucked. Notes after the jump..
- Like I said, Toney Douglas started this one. He took Larry Hughes's spot in the lineup (noteworthy that it was Hughes, not Chris Duhon), and played very nicely. Toney continued his accurate shooting, canning pull-ups from either side, finishing near the rim, and draining a couple threes as well. His 23 points were an early career-high. He posted only 1 assist to 3 turnovers, which reflects both slightly rough point guard play from Toney and utter inability to finish from Toney's teammates. On the other end, Ghostface had a bit of trouble striking a balance between fouling Mike Bibby and staying in front of him. By the end, though, his defense looked sharp. Overall, Toney Douglas did what Toney Douglas do. I have a feeling TD's got a bit more point guard savvy than his line suggests. It'll just take more reps and a better sense of his teammates to make it work.
- That point about Douglas's teammates not finishing was actually a major theme of this game. Several different Knicks found new, wonderful ways to deny Toney his assists. I'm talking missed layups, dropped passes, silly turnovers, and all sorts of things you'd see in a typical JCC ballgame.
- I've never seen David Lee rendered so ineffective. His shot attempts were pretty limited (4-9) and he simply couldn't hang with Al Horford. I usually cut Lee slack for suffering against legit centers, but Horford isn't even that big a dude. Davd looked weak out there. Clyde quipped that Horford was "Bogarting" Lee around the basket. If we're sticking with the Hollywood metaphors, then Lee was Beckinsale-ing.
- Speaking of which, where the hell is Darko Milicic? Everybody's been asking after Darko in the comments, and I just don't have a good answer. Perhaps he's hurting and I didn't see anything about it. In any event, New York could have used him to maim Horford tonight.
- Like the Knicks, the Hawks switch pretty much everything on defense. They just do it with a lot more conviction and better angle management. You know what I mean? The Knicks always look like their tripping over each other when defending the pick. The Hawks got it right.
- Danilo Gallinari's start was nice, including a steal and fast break dunk that made me soil myself. After that, Gallo faded into the background. The Cock just couldn't get touches, and attempted only 8 shots in 31 minutes. I kept forgetting he was on the court. I won't discount his steal and 7 rebounds, but Gallo desperately needs to make more of an impact out there.
- I harp on Al Harrington's accessories way too much, but I might as well add that this mouthguard that's half blue and half white just makes Al look like he's missing teeth. I think it's squashing his brain as well. Some of those fouls and shot attempts were remarkably poor.
- To be fair, Harrington did a decent job backing down Josh Smith's wiry ass a couple times (but not enough), and did a better job on Horford than Lee did (including a delightfully emasculating chair-pull. Malik Rose is smiling up in heaven. What?).
- Chris Duhon can't buy a bucket right now. Shit, he can't rent one. I don't think he could even test drive one. I don't think he could even window shop for one.
- Wilson Chandler really did his darndest on Joe Johnson. Wil kept a low profile (in a good way) on offense, focusing his efforts on staying in front of the dastardly Armadillo Cowboy (®). Johnson was actually held to 8-19, but it felt like he was hitting tough shot after tough shot.
- Speaking of which, watching Jamal Crawford from the opponent's perspective is still a wild experience. The feeling is identical, yet opposite. Instead of lamenting his shot selection but celebrating his improbable buckets, I found myself celebrating his shot selection but lamenting his improbable buckets. He can be positively infuriating in either light. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Jamal Crawford. Soft in the sense of compassion, but also soft in the sense of aortic decay. He's that kind of player.
- I'm looking forward to Eddy Curry's return. He really does look as svelte as I've ever seen him, though I think like a quarter of that weight was in his head, and I mean that literally. Jeez.
- The only real rotation Knicks with decent plus-minuses? Douglas (0), Gallinari (+4), and Jared Jeffries (+1). Just saying.
And with that, I'll wash myself of this one. Goodnight, y'all.
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Jamal You Can Handle
Though I find him to be generally a half-assed reporter of short-sighted Knicks Knowledge, Isola had something worthy to talk about. He noted how Jamal Crawford felt the Knicks would have definitely made the playoffs last year had they not traded him and Randolph. Crawford seemed pretty confident about that too, and i happen to agree. I understood trading Randolph theway they did, but i hated losing Jamal. I know his contract is up in 2011… but isn’t he one of the guys that would entice a LeBron, etc.??!
Think NY would have been playoff-bound last season if we kept just Jamal?
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Why did we not keep Crawford? I didn’t like that trade, nothing against Harrington but I had more confidence in Crawford.
by Jay Jordo on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
everything against harrington
that trade was terrible.
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by stingy d on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but
When the season ends it will be nice to have that cap space. And I like Crawford, but he can’t DWTDD. Toney can’t quite DWJCD but hopefully he will as the season progresses. And more.
Hey, I just realized Jamal Crawford and Jesus Christ have the same initials.
by fuhry on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Al Harrington...
but I like cap space better than Jamal Crawford being on the team in 2010.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
who gives a shit about Jamal Crawford?
there’s no guarantee that the Knicks would’ve made the playoffs last year with him, and even if they did, they’d probably sneak in and get swept by Cleveland or Orlando. unless he had some sort of miracle potion for Chris Duhon and Eddy Curry, there’s no way this team would make the playoffs this year, even with Craw.
8th seed in 2008-09 < cap space in 2010. i don’t care how much Harrington sucks, i’d do that trade 1,000 times over again.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 12, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford was awesome.
Of course he had a bigger salary than NY wanted, so sure, eventually he had to be moved. But no need to rush into it like they did. We got Al harrington in return…. decent player, but his previous TWO teams moved him because of his attitude.
Crawford is not even close to the loose cannon Harrington is. And you could count on him for leadership and to keep his team in the game.
Could have wait until this season to move him. Maybe still having Crawford might have helped the Knicks at the draft….package him for a pick?? Never know now
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 12, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crawford was aweful
the worst kind of baseketball player out there.
all scoring, nothing else… he had a nice thing with curry… but that doesnt make him a good.
All you can count on him for was inconsistency. Yeah, he had a 50 pt game now and then… when he shot the ball 35 times. Then he would come up with a 2-28 shitfest.
plus, he doesnt even know how to spell defense.
by gbaked on Nov 12, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
they could have waited, but what happens if the Warriors don’t wanna trade?
I think you gotta take what’s there.
We all know the worst part of this all is no draft pick in June….but for 2010 I think he had to do the deal anyway.
Crawford is a volume scorer…who chucks up entirely too many 3’s and doesn’t shoot a good % anyway. He also turns the ball over too damn much.
I know what everyone’s say who say Crawford would help this team now…but like Mase said who really cares what the team is now?
Crawford would make them better, but in the future if Walsh manages to put together a real team…I don’t want Crawford anywhere near it.
And I hate to say it too cuz Mal was one of my favorites in a while. He was an exciting type of player…but in the end the Knicks probably are better off.
They can just kick Harrington to the curb at the end of this season..which I can’t wait for them to do.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do that trade a billion times over.
The Draft pick is gone one way or another, and it’s going to the Western Conference. For this reason, as well as the reason that it would mean more burn for Gallo, I wouldn’t care if Harrington were out for the year. We have a bottom three team in the league (again).
In all but about three or four cases, the Knicks’ assets are not their players.
Remember that.
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by solanumbrella on Nov 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MY NAME IS AL HARRINGTON
AND I MAKE BUCKETS (and routinely post up (-) in the +/- column).
Just wanted to spout off a couple things:
-To all those saying positive things about Jamal Crawford: Realistically, where was he going to take us? 7/8th seed in the Playoffs? Remember, he was taking up 10 million in 2010, which would’ve put our salary cap projections at roughly $13 million, NOT enough for any max free agents, let alone 2. I’m not going to argue that the trade wasn’t great..but really, we needed Jamal off the ledger.
Also, he would’ve taken Al Harrington’s place of, “Let me iso and do my thing” and he can’t shoot a 3 to save his life (not that anyone else on this team aside from Gallo and a hot Harrington).
-SEAN, HOW DID YOU NOT PICK UP DWTDD IN OUR FANTASY LEAGUE? Good God man, I thought he’d be drafted by you by the love fest you’ve given him over the past month and at the very least, picked up (FYI, I’m ‘ComeAndTouchItDave’).
-Enjoy these game recaps a lot. Seeing as how I live in DC, I’ve only gotten to watch a 1 full game (saw Lebron live at MSG on a NYC visit) and had to see snippets of others. Couple things I took away:
1. Right on about Duhon. He sucks. I think I counted 3 layups he couldn’t convert during the Lebron game and just watching him, he doesn’t really do anything. He just kind’ve dribbles around and maybe shoot a crappy 3 every now and then. Just looks afraid or tenative.
2. Larry Hughes is actually playing well. He’s not much of a shooter, but he does play D and at least can play unselfish for a bit before he realizes he’s on a contract year.
3. Brandon Jennings stat lines are making me sick to my stomach. Jordan Hill looks like Etan Thomas.
by philee on Nov 12, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody noticed
Lees had a 19 rebound game and an 18 rebound game (one a win and one an OT loss), but aside from that, he hasn’t reached double figures in any of the other seven games. And then Knicks are routinely losing the rebound battle. Could it be teams have figured out how to keep him off the boards? Though I suppose hitting over 50 percent of your shots, which an inordinate amount of Knick opponents have managed to do this year, is a good way of limiting Knick rebounds.
I too am getting sick thinking of Brandon Jennings. It’s not his 32 point nine assist game. It’s that they beat Denver and they’re 6-2.
by fuhry on Nov 12, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
its also that whil TD can be damn good....
Jordan hill isn’t doing anything to justify being picked over him right now…..
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
david lee
has to be the most disappointing thing about the knicks right now.
The dude he played last night as 1 inch and 5 pounds on him, and Lee was manhandled.
Very glad we only have him this year, as of right now… I have no qualms about letting him walk away at the end of the season.
by gbaked on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is what he is
a sixth man on a really good team. that’s not a knock, it’s just the truth. great guy that gives great effort, but he’s not a player to build around.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 12, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn’t been giving great effort though this year, and that’s the problem
by Nolan B on Nov 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I, too,
have a soft spot for Jamal—in both senses. This game got so painful that I flipped to Best Celebrity Body Comebacks for part of the second half.
by knicksfix on Nov 12, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
David Lee...... cmon
I gotta see more from him. I am a huge supporter and fan of Lee but wheres the double double machine? Did the contract delay keep him from getting in shape? I mean he doesn’t look any different physique wise from last season….. IDK but he’s gotta step it up. THIS TEAM NEEDS TO STEP IT UP! I gotta excuse TD, he’s impressed me but WTF is the deal with Gallo taking 7 shots and Harrington takes 25?
by Jay Jordo on Nov 12, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
pay attention guys.
Who else grabs rebounds other than David Lee? Hes 6’9", playing Center. Are you kidding me? Al Harrington is playing the PF spot and Gallo or Chandler….all they do is hang by the 3pt line.
Somebody name me another team who has one guy rebounding and he is only 6’9".
There is only so much Lee can do. Its like teams with ONE scoring option. Lock up the scorer and force the rest of the team to pick it up. Rebounding is the same way.
Lee has to fight off Horford AND Josh Smith. He’s battling 2 guys a night.
The only disappointment anyone should have with Lee is his Fantasy owners.
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 12, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
which leads (once again)
to the inevitable question; where the hell is darko?
by enron4515 on Nov 12, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Donnie Walsh, obviously.
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