Warriors 121, Knicks 107
So, if it wasn't clear before, I think it is now. The Knicks are a very, very bad team. I know this because the Warriors are a very bad team, and they carved up New York like it was nothing. This Knicks squad is in a whole 'nother league, bros. The game was pretty much what you expected: lackadaisical defense by both squads and oodles of shots. As tends to be the case, though, it was the Warriors that connected on those oodles, while New York couldn't really find the range.
Notes and such, after the jump...
- This game featured some of the smallest lineups you'll ever see in professional basketball. Don Nelson had no problem trotting out Corey Maggette and Stephen Jackson as his big men at points, and Mike D'Antoni responded with a lineup featuring Al Harrington and Wilson Chandler at the 4 and 5. As you can imagine, jump shots were plentiful.
- D'Antoni finally let Darko Milicic and Jordan Hill spin. The fact that he did so against the one opponent without a real center is typically ironic, but I've decided not to get bent out of shape about it. Darko may have shed some light on the reasons for his benching. He played only 5 minutes in this one, but managed to do absolutely nothing in that timespan. No joke; Darko was a foul away from a trillion. Jordan Hill, meanwhile, started the third quarter and was active as hell. He had 5 fouls in 14 minutes (at least one of which was bullshit), but did plenty of good. He nailed a couple of 18-foot jumpers, had a nice put back, and threw down a pretty viscous transition dunk. Jordan doesn't box out like a pro yet, but he was able to noodle his way to a few rebounds, and was also the the only Knick to ever contest a shot. I should also mention that those five fouls came while Hill was guarding Jackson and/or Maggette, which is just a silly proposition for a 6'10'' rookie. I'm also gonna blame his two turnovers (a bad pass and a palming violation) and his teammates, because that would make me feel better. I wouldn't be all that wrong, either. Jordan Hill looked solid, y'all.
- When I say Hill was the "only Knick to ever contest a shot", I'm looking at you, David Lee. Lee's turnstile defense was at its absolute worst tonight. Had Dave even put a hand up to contest Monta Ellis and Kelenna Azubuike's drives into the paint, this would have been a close game.
- Meanwhile, Stephen Curry got only three minutes for the Warriors, and he spent at least one of the minutes blocking David Lee's shot and then having words with him, which was super awkward. Golden State may have won the game, but I'll take the '09 Draft win for the time being.
- Danilo Gallinari showed up with a fresh haircut and guns ablaze. Gallo had 10 rebounds to supplement his efficient 19 points (7-10), and by "efficient", I mean GALLO NEEDS TO SHOOT MORE. Congrats to Danilo on his first double-double, though. It's funny that a 21 year-old might be the Knick I trust most with the ball.
- Chris Duhon hit a shot.
- Du and Wilson Chandler are decent offensive players, but both pick the worst times to attempt long-range jumpers. If you're gonna take a heat check, you should 1. Be hot and 2. Not be in the midst of an opposing 10-0 run.
- Interesting statistic put forth by Mike Crispino regarding Chandler: Wilson took 6 free throws in the season opener, then took 6 free throws in the next eight games combined. He got to the stripe for 2-3 last night, which is about a quarter of what he could produce if he didn't settle for jumpers.
- Clyde on Stephen Jackson: "He can't control what goes in or out of his mouth".
- Toney Douglas kept up his solid offensive production (15 points, 3 assists, and only 1 turnover this time), but had a bit more trouble than one would expect defending Warrior guards. Toney's not getting over picks like he was in Summer League. He's still the most determined defender on the team, though, and one of the few Knicks who's really a pleasure to watch. Also, he may or may not be growing a beard. DWTDD.
- With 5:30 remaining in the third quarter, the Knick lineup was Douglas, Hughes, Gallinari, Lee, and Hill. As far as I'm considered, there's your starting five. The Knicks are 1-9. I see absolutely no reason why not.
- Clyde to Mike Crispino: "I heard you like desserts".
- My friend and I decided that Al Harrington should convert to Islam, grow a beard, and go by "Al-Farouq Harrington". Partly because that'd be awesome, and partly because the Knicks don't have a draft pick.
- And that's really my central point- something that dawned on me this past week. After ugly losses last year, I'd make my way over to Draft Express and soothe my troubled soul with tales of Blake Griffin and Ricky Rubio. Now? Nothing. I wanna kick Isiah Thomas in the butt.
With that, I leave you. We'll enjoy a few days of respite before the Knicks next play, as they head to Indiana for a Wednesday night matchup. Thanks to everybody who's been showing up for game threads. It's really the best way to keep having fun when the team is this dreadful. Keep stopping by keep up the comments.
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waive all the expiring contracts and play the rookies and the players that will be there past 2010. we might lose a lot of games but at least I’ll know why. get a couple d-league players to fill out the rest of the roster
by marc1988 on Nov 14, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“With 5:30 remaining in the third quarter, the Knick lineup was Douglas, Hughes, Gallinari, Lee, and Hill. As far as I’m considered, there’s your starting five. The Knicks are 1-9. I see absolutely no reason why not.”
I’m with you on this one, Hughes is as boneheaded as the rest of the “vets” but he can defend and assist point duties so he’s the best choice for the role. I like what I see in Hill, he doesn’t have Gallo’s ceiling but he’s probably already our best defensive big and for a so called project he already has weapons on the offensive end. He seems to be a quick learner and with the team as bad as it is, why not let him learn on the job?
by Nolan B on Nov 14, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
optimistic
nate robinsons back. theyll definitely be better.
by enron4515 on Nov 14, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
New York, New Jersey, Minnesota and Memphis should all be sent down to the D-League until they can prove that they should be in the NBA.
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by Pennywise on Nov 14, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes because that was a completely serious post. But yea I’m sorry, there should only be very serious conversations around here, thank you for setting me straight.
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by Pennywise on Nov 14, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you fucked up dude
it should be, “thank you for setting me straight. pause.”
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by stingy d on Nov 15, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
But if the team doesn’t contend for a playoff spot by all star break( I still hold hope) I think donnie should have a dilemna on whether or not to trade lee, al, duhon, chandler and/or nate while they still hold value
by IB on Nov 14, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In any team sport, the three main objectives of a head coach are:
- Get the best effort out of each player
- Make the whole greater than the sum of its parts
- Make effective game time adjustments
FAIL
FAIL
FAIL
I know I’m in a minority but this train wreck is not going to get any better and the fans are not going to remain patient. I truly pity the loyal fans who actually pay for admission, especially season tix. This is not acceptable no one is being held accountable.
by Shivling on Nov 14, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No one is being held accountable cuz its a lost season anyway........
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was at the game
1) Duhon dribbles all over the place for 15 seconds and gets back to point of origin which is 10 feet behind the three point line..Like ive always said, “Marbury was never the problem”.
2) D’Anphoney needs to realize his lineup changes are becoming larry brown esque and we all know how that ended up.
3) David Lee and Al Harrington are ball hogs.
4) Nate gets a pass because hes coming off injury…liked his effort
5) Let the young guys play and create an offense around those players——nate, TD, will, Gallo, Hill and Lee—-These veterans are making the team worse with their stupid one on one play (I like larry Hughes effort tho)
6) It was Gallos first double double…if the ballhogs (#3) passed to him, this game would have been closer
7) Darko Milicic played yesterday but did nothing. On the contrary, Jordan HIll looked good out there and the refs were calling so much tacky fouls on him besides the most traveling calls ive seen in a game. Sidenote: Cant wait till Curry comes back
8) Nothing better than Booing the Knicks after another lackluster performance.
9) I had a guest pass and such.. so i was chilling on the court and i must say—Tila Tequila has a nice body but homey dont play that fakeness….Jarred Jefffries and Jordan Hill are so tall….Nate Robinson is so short….
1-9. it could only get better.
by TO. on Nov 14, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Since when is David Lee a ball hog?
by johnmac7512 on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
i didn’t see this game, because i was working, but it seems to me that david lee is the only player that actually views gallinari as a teammate. i’ve seen him making cross court passes to the kid, just so it doesn’t go to harrington or chandler.
whats up with nobody passing to gallinari tho? he’s the best player on the team….
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by stingy d on Nov 15, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uhh
at least we’re not new orleans hornets fans… i guess?
by SamH on Nov 14, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
(because then our team would’ve lost to the new york knicks)
by SamH on Nov 14, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but they have Chris Paul. =/
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by TearsofaClown on Nov 14, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol yea for now, but he will be back and he will play like a MVP type of player.
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Nov 15, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
Playing JJ and curry, when he gets back, to “showcase” them, but why does D’antoni continually trot out Duhon and Harrington for significant minutes when it’s pretty much a done deal that these guys won’t be back next year? I wouldn’t have a problem with the losing if it meant experience for the players that matter, but this is just silly. Hell I would even add Larry Hughes to that list , but he has to play by default because he’s our only reasonable 2 guard, sigh…
PS
Wilson Chandler has not progressed at all from last year, in fact his jump shot has regressed. Toney Douglas and Jordan Hill are alot better than I originally thought.
by mercy on Nov 14, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the season wont get any better...
-the long drawn out contract negotiations over the summer threw off team morale and overall satisfaction
-the knowledge that the 2010 season is what NY management has been working on is degrading to the Knicks veterans
-D’Antoni feels like the monkey in the middle, he has to respect the management decisions, yet he feels a responsibility to the vetrans, letting Duhon, Jefferies and Lee play crazy minutes despite their poor game….I mean really? screw sympathy, this should be about winning….or at least it should be right?
-There is no consistency, no communication and no skill…WHY ARE WE TAKING SO MANY SHOTS?! WHY ARE WE MISSING LAYUPS AND PASSES?!
I’ve been to every game at the garden except 2, but I am ALL FOR the BOYCOTT- avoid MSG until management gets real- this team is complete GARBAGE, I REFUSE TO WATCH A TEAM THIS BAD LIVE AND UP CLOSE….the only highlight of my adventures to the garden…wednesday Melissa Joan Heart was courtside!!!!
At least the Nets have a legitimate excuse (devin harris injury) PLUS At least the Nets games are nail biters!
by dpileofashes on Nov 14, 2009 10:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Jennings
scored 55 points against the Warriors tonight.
(slams head against desk repeatedly)
I wanted him on the Knicks so bad. Kid’s a star.
by johnmac7512 on Nov 15, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not bad, huh?
Poor Donnie Walsh can’t stop rolling in his grave.
That said, I hope to see Hill get more minutes in the near future. As someone mentioned earlier, David Lee defending the paint is about as bad as putting Boykins at center.
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by RedHopeful on Nov 15, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Lawson
Looking good even with backup minutes, and Ramon Sessions is well,
Ramon Sessions. BUT DUHON’S OUR POINT GUARD.
by mercy on Nov 15, 2009 4:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
duhon duhon duhon
sessions can’t get minutes in minnesota, so, although i’m sure he is better than duhon, i like that he is not wasting space on the roster with a contract that runs past this season.
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by stingy d on Nov 15, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
It’s not so much Sessions fault in MIN. Fact is Rambis doesn’t like the idea of a Flynn/Sessions back court. When you consider that Flynn was drafted where he was and the organization has high hopes for him, it’s no surprise Ramon hasn’t contributed like many believed he could.
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by RedHopeful on Nov 16, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right
so like i said. i’m sure sessions is better than duhon, but i’m not all sad or miffed or angry or displeased that it didn’t work out with the knicks and sessions. its too bad, but it’s not so bad really.
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by stingy d on Nov 16, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the draft...
i remember sitting there for a month waiting to see who we’d pick knowing that dejaun blair and jennings were expected to fall. Then I heard walsh was discussing a trade with the wizards and my thoughts were “yes this suffering is done”. Then I saw the twolves got the pick bekuz walsh didn’t want to get rid of chandler bekuz he believed in him. Then we get to our pick and I feel like we’re ok bekuz walsh knows how badly we need a point guard. Sad to say he wasn’t thinking like us at all…
by IB on Nov 15, 2009 7:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
?
bekuz?
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 15, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keepin it real
real kool
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by stingy d on Nov 15, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guess what..
We all knew that this team would suck for awhile. Stop panicking. This is only going to make winning feel so much better.
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by THEWILLY on Nov 15, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The waiting is the hard part, always with the waiting. But I guess if i can wait for SU Football, the Bills and the Mets to get good i might as well be able to watch the Knicks to. I mean what is really one more bad team.
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Nov 15, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats whats up smokey
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by stingy d on Nov 16, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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