Why would anyone be yelling Fire Walsh or D'Antoni this year?
by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 14, 2009 1:16 PM EST
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This was a comment to 2010 or bust, but it got too long, so I made it a post.
New Yorkers are supposed to be known for being the most knowledgeable fans. Well, lets not look like a bunch of morons when we agree to Walsh and D’Antoni’s plan and then exile them before they even have a chance to carry it out.
I think this team sucks because it has sucky players on it. Our best players would only be bench guys on a contending team. We don’t even have a single player on our roster who would be a starter for a championship squad (maybe Gallo in the future, but not now). I love David Lee for all the crap that he’s put up with, and how he leaves it all on the floor, but he can’t be in our future. At the end of the day, you have to realize he’s only an awesome guy off the bench who wants starter type money. A starting power forward for a championship team can’t be horrible at defense, lack post moves, and have a suspect jumper. I’m sorry. He only looks like a starter because of all the other toilet bug players starting for the Knicks.
Give Walsh the two or three years he needs to turn over the roster. Don’t say D’Antoni sucks because he’s losing right now. At least give him a chance to lose with NBA starter caliber players. Then we’ll see if he’s a good coach or not.
Stop acting like a bunch impatient ignorant schmucks! If D’antoni and Walsh get fired, then Dolan is going to hire somebody who will go for the quick fix again, and we’ll be stuck in this wretched basketball purgatory forever. Stay the course, and wait till we get these bums off our roster.
We’ve been waiting thirty six years for a championship!!! What? You can’t wait two or three years more to rebuild? Like if we fire them some guy in a white hat is going to ride through the door and coach these guys to a championship tomorrow! Idiots.
If you’re not like the rest of these clowns who are yelling “Fire D’Antoni” please make yourselves heard. Why should the ignorant dirt bags drown out the real fans who realize that this could be our one shot to escape our endless cycle of sucking. Someone intelligent say something…
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What has D'Antoni ever won?
He had the MVP for two years with a great team and won nothing. After watching the leagues most disfuntional team the Warriors run the Knicks off the court last night it is clear that Mike D’Antoni is not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land. Does anyone actually think LeBron is going to come to one of the worst teams in the entire league playing a style of basketball that is designed to only get you so far. Time to wake up and be a realist. This is gonna get very ugly.
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions
realist?
How bout realize that your nuts?
The Knicks could have Red Auerback coaching them right now…or whoever you want to name as teh greatest coach in the history of basketball…and not be any good.
The Suns didn’t win anything? Sure they didn’t. There’s some pretty obvious reasons why, and they sure as shit weren’t D’Antoni’s fault.
Amare’s injuries. Amare coming off the bench trying to defend Nash and getting suspended…when the Suns were at their peak no less.
No not at all is this D’Antoni’s fault. D’Antoni was damn near coach of the year last year for how “good” the Knicks did.
You really have to be kidding to think D’Antoni is the problem. Do you know who’s on the roster AT ALL????
The pile of shit created over the past decade…no one could clean it up in one, two or even three years.
The Knicks are going about it the right way.
You have no justification whatsoever in bashing D’Antoni right now. None.
If they asemble a good team, with more than 4 NBA players…and they still suck? Then the blame can start to be aimed at Pringles.
Right now? C’mon amn…..
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
i echo that
“C’mon MAN!”
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 15, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Don't sweat it. When my son was 2 h would throw these tantrums and I learned that the best thing
is to let him tire himself out and then explain to him that if you keep smashing your head against a wall you tend to get a headache.
I must agree.
I don’t see D’antoni leading this team to the O’Brien. He has a system of basketball that can’t contend with the styles played by the Elite teams like the C’s, Cavs, Magic and Lakers. It couldn’t even when he coached and elite team and won coach of the year. He has won a FIBA bronze medal while a collage coach is winning gold. He is not a bad coach my any means just not the coach for the Knicks. It is time to give Patrick Ewing his chance.
Finger to you all.
Starks has it EXACTLY right. You have your heads in your asses if you are actually even close to panicking right now. You wanna judge D’Antoni on how many championship’s he’s won? The measure of a coach is not simply his hardware. Yeah, the Suns didn’t win any championships… but they were in the mix in a big way and honestly, when you make it as close as he did, it’s not much different than making the NBA Finals and losing. D’Antoni had some bad luck with his team, and he also happened to build a run and gun team in a West division FULL of talented teams focusing on primarily defense and long-term chemistry. Spurs, Lakers, Mavericks, Kings, Rockets all were better teams that would have coasted in the East. The Suns beat all of them and were a few tragic calls away from making it to the Finals.
Keep in mind also that this season is 82 games long. Not 10. We are 1-9 right now I believe… Anyone making and playoffs claims right now are doing it merely for exaggerational purposes. I’m not saying we are playoff-bound…I’m saying who the hell knows. Its a long fucking season. Teams start strong, teams finish strong. The Knicks have some pieces that can put it together IF they decide amongst themselves to do so.
The only point I disagree on with Starks is that Lee is a worthy starter on many other teams. I’m not gonna run through his stats or such (we all know them) but he is not a slapstick player. I’ll take him as my PF over more than 75% of other teams.
Just shut the hell up about D’Antoni and his system “not working” or other bullshit like that. Nevermind that you have no solutions of your own, and that you think the problems WE see are not seen by the Knicks front office. Of course they are all over it!!!!
BTW, plugging Jordan Hill into the starting lineup is not a solution. He is a project. They drafted him knowing he is a project. No one should be surprised that he is picking splinters out of his ass 10 games into a rebuilding season. We won’t know i he is a bust or not until his 3rd season. Don’t act like you know anything about his game after preseason and 10 shitty games. Say what you want about Brandon Jennings… maybe we should have taken him. Fine. He’s starting hot. You know who else started out great their rookie year? Jay Williams. His injury is irrelevent. It happened, he’s done.
Andrea Bargnani was a #1 pick who took more than a year to develop. Jermaine O’Neal?! Rashard Lewis?? So many guys started slow and built up. My point is fucking wait on Hill.
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 14, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Right back at you!
We have all been fans of this team. We watched our man #33 suffer every summer while His fingers should be diamond laced, And we all think we know what is best for our team. I’m not calling for his head Monday Morning but if the team still shows no motivation by the all-star break or has 5 wins by Jan 1 it is something that must be considered. As for Jordan Hill it is a must that D’antoni find a way that fit him into the lineup and can get him 20+ minutes a game. He is scoring with the little time he has and rookie morale is something tender that they must experience both the savors and the embarrassments of learning a new level of the game. If d’antoni starts giving him more minutes in march and April when the Knicks will be losing games left and right he will not be able to flourish. Give him minutes now to work his game he just might win us a few. You wanna talk about us jumping on the “FIRE D”ANTONI" wagon while everyone else is saying “We should have drafted Brandon Jennings!” Without giving Hill a solid chance. Jennings came into the league ready to score 20 ppg in 33 mpg why can’t Jordan Hill. And don’t say he cant because he has not been given the shot. Minutes are being wasted on Jeffries and Chandler.
Hill vs Jeff
Given his 6’10 frame, Jordan Hill makes a better option at center then Lee, who played their last year. Certainly Hill is a better option then Jeffries!!! So Hill doesn’t only have to rack up his minutes at the forward spot but he does have to rack up his minutes.
Lee is suspect at the 4 because he plays no defense, can’t hit that midrange jumper often enough, is not dominant in the low post and is going to be asking for $10mill+ this off season which is way to much money for him or any other Knick on the roster at the present time. That being the case, I say play Hill. At worst he’ll duplicate what Lee does on a night to night basis, at best he is an upgrade offensively and defensively at the 4.
Brandon Jennings is a scoring guard playing the point guard spot. He’s 6 feet tall at best, weighs 120 bounds at best! Guys with those stats and that playing style at the 1 never win titles.
Just look at the track record of other undersized scoring guards; Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, and the very best among them Allen Iverson. This kid came into the draft with arrogance and a desire to play Iverson ball without Iverson’s unbelievable skill set. If AI couldn’t make it work I don’t blame GM’s for believing that Jennings can’t make it work with that score first pass second approach to the game. Don’t expect his numbers to stay as high as they are now ten games into the season.
Hill has really no stats too plead his case for being selected 8th overall but that’s because he gets no playing time. Give the kid a chance, look how that approach is working out with the other two rooks they have. I believe that if he gets solid minutes throughout the course of the year that he will put up good numbers.
steve nash isnt tht much taller then marbury
and nash is phenomenal. i might be wrong but i think john stockton was right around 6 feet as well. so idk if you can just say a player will never win a ring just because of playing style or height or a combination of both.
with that said i dont like jordon hill nor do i like jennings. if we were really hungry for a center we should have pulled the trigger on a move last to last draft. brook lopez is very adequate at the 5. however in the back of my mind im really hoping eddy currys newfound body will have some super powers. eddy comes back and plays his heart out everybody wins.
by karamjitm9090 on Nov 15, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Stockton and Nash arent scoring PGs...
…they are pass-first guards. He was saying the undersized scoring guards haven’t had success winning championships. They help fantasy-wise, but thats about it.
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 16, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you Chris Child's Fist ...
… for defending my point for me. It makes no sense to draft the undersized Jennings, when we have Nate Robinson who is capable of the same things … if he ever gets starter minutes that is.
Why have two undersized shooting guards moonlighting at the PG when the Knicks are already an undersized team as it is? With two guards at 6’ or shorter this team would be even worse defensively on the perimeter.
Let Hill get more minutes and actually have a chance to prove himself before you start calling him a bust.
Jennings v Hill
Its hard to compare the two. Jordan Hill has only been playing basketball for a few years. He didn’t grow up playing basketball in diapers, like many other guys. He is very much a raw athletic talent who still decided to come out of college early. Good for him because he gets his millions, but a guy still learning the game tends to benefit from college coaches who still teach fundamentals, instead of NBA coaches who generally expect that you know them and spend their time elsewhere.
Jennings is surprising everyone, but he has been a longtime prospect and more people doubted his head, not his polished game. It’s also too early to judge Jennings. If the season ends and he still has a scoring avg of 25+ ppg on .496 fg% and 4+ rebs and 5+ ass, then, sure punch the Knicks in the face.
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 16, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
i think that
coach d is a good teaching coach.
I would bet Hill is getting lots of good work in practice, and by the end of the season we will see it translate into more min during gametime.
racist media and knick fans
why arent the fans, and media asking for walsh and d’antonis head. 1-9 when it was ishiah thomas they couldnt stop writing about firing him. they pass on jennings needing a pg and he goes for 55 after 10 games in the nba. these fans, media and management know nothing about basketball.
by brooklyns finest on Nov 16, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Brooklyn's whinest
We gave Isiah a chance. He got plenty of time to build a winner and he blew it. And then he wanted to spank Anucha Brown. I wanna know what you are gonna say when Brandon Jennings starts having games of 9 points on 3 of 24 shooting with 2 assists and 8 TOs.
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 16, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
are you serious?
The guys in place right now are trying to set Isiah and Scott fing Layden’s 10 year clusterfuck.
NO ONE!! NOT ONE SINGLE COACH!! could get this MESS of players to be better.
They have a plan to wipe the slate clean. If you can’t realize that, well you can go take your brooklyn whining to the Nets, cuz they might be there soon.
There is no other way to clean up this mess than to simply let their contracts run out and start anew in 2010.
Walsh hasn’t even tried to get any pieces to make the Knicks better.
Why some people don’t realize this, I don’t know.
Isiah was 1-9 and they wanted his head cuz he traded multiple first round picks for guys like Eddy Curry, Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
D'Antoni and Walsh
It’s way too early to start talking about firing either one of those guys unfortunately. Although I agree with Walsh’s plan to pursue Lebron and others in free agency I thought he should have tried to recover a first round pick for this year’s draft. He’s cleared all that space and got nothing in return. Signing Duhon is turning into a disaster. I think he mishandled Lee and Robinson. Signing Milicic is a disaster. He traded away any minute bits of offensive talent we had. He still gets time to see his Free Agency Sweepstakes pays off. D’Antoni on the other hand is treading on thin ice. He makes too much money for the Knics to be this bad. Coaches during the Isiah Thomas tenure didn’t last because we can tolerate bad players more than we can tolerate bad coaching. During the last ten years we’ve seen Hall of fame coaches come to MSG and give us bad products. D’ Antoni is no hall of fame coach. If he doesn’t figure out the Knicks soon, I say he need to pack his bags. We already knew the Knicks were not playoff caliber, but I just don’t think the players are 1-9 bad. Even the Great and Powerful Larry Brown had a bad year.
Walsh can stay, but D'Antoni must go.
D’Antoni-ball might be fun to watch, but it’s not going to put banners up in the MSG rafters. The players aren’t THAT bad. They’ve simply quit on their coach.
Also, I find it deeply disturbing that the author of this thread purports to rep Starks. Starks is the anti-D’Antoni. He is all hard work, all the time. D’Antoni is the epitome of style over substance. Sheeeit. His moustache is probably fake, too.
These players could be going all out right now...
and still maybe have one more win.
They don’t have the players.
Pringles is here for when they actually get a squad together.
Bitching about this year is pointless.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
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