Complaining just to Complain
Editor's Note: Mase brings it once more. This is excellent. Game Thread coming soon.
Sometimes I really like Mike Lupica. When the Knicks were relevant in the 1990's, his columns were a must-read. He often praised the team for their effort, and was one of the few staunch Patrick Ewing defenders in the latter years of his career while others were highly critical.
But, there are other times I really don't like Mike Lupica. Like when he's writing his 1,781st column on the Yankees' bloated payroll, preaching his extreme political views in a sports column (dude, you're a sports writer - not Keith Olberman), or complaining about the Knicks.
I can complain too. I know that April 29, 2001 was the date of the last Knicks' playoff win. I remember where I was when Ewing drove past Alonzo Mourning for a clinching dunk that gave the Knicks their last playoff series win in Game 7 of the 2000 Eastern Conference Finals. I remember Scott Layden. I remember trading for Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, and Keith Van Horn. I also remember trading four first round draft picks in the Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry deals combined. I've donned my Larry Johnson jersey for good luck on Draft nights that yielded prized prospects like Renaldo Balkman, Mardy Collins, Channing Frye, and a trade that brought a fat Zach Randolph with an even fatter contract. I've gone through the Jerome James, Vin Baker, and Jared Jeffries eras.
I know how much it sucks to not make the playoffs and not be competitive. I also know how much it sucks root for a proud franchise that's become nothing more than a punchline.
That being said, I'm complained-out.
I'm tired and I'm pissed off, but I'm also numb to it. It's been almost a decade of this shit. What's another year?
Lupica chooses to take offense to the Knicks not signing Allen Iverson. He argues that A.I. wouldn't have made the Knicks a better team, but would've made them a "better ticket". Really? That's what we've been reduced to? "Well, the Knicks still suck but with Iverson at least they're entertaining?" Entertaining how? Entertaining like the Stephon Marbury saga? Entertaining like Isiah Thomas' pathetic head coaching stint? Entertaining like his subsequent sexual harassment lawsuit? Give me a break.
Are you not entertained, Knicks fans?
Lupica cites Iverson's leadership eight years ago when he took the Sixers to the NBA Finals at the height of the Eastern Conference's sucktitude (an era which also included TWO Nets teams that won the conference). He even compares him Latrell Sprewell (!).
Lupica pretends to be speaking for the fans, but obviously he a) doesn't read this blog, and b) doesn't know basketball. Iverson was cut by Memphis. MEMPHIS. He's a 34-year old undersized two-guard that can barely play anymore, and that nobody wants. Oh, and did I mention the guy still thinks he's a starter?
I could give two shits about being entertained. I want this team to win. The Knicks aren't going to win this year, with or without Iverson. So I don't blame Donnie Walsh for sparing his team the unnecessary drama that Iverson would undoubtedly bring.
This team still sucks, but people have to understand that it takes time to climb out of the nuclear crater left by Isiah Thomas and his predecessor Scott Layden. The plan was to use the 2009-10 season as a throwaway year. You may not like it. I don't either. But, I'm willing to live with it because guess what? IT'S A PLAN. This team hasn't had one of those since Checketts and Grunfeld were running things and I had braces.
So, root for Gallo. Close your eyes when Larry Hughes shoots. Thinks of names for Mike D'Antoni's mustache (Luigi is my personal choice). Curse when Chris Duhon attempts a three-pointer. Critique Clyde's blazer. Listen to Jordan Hill's album. Vent frustration on Al Harrington's shot-selection on P&T. Let Darko spin. DWTDD. Bite the bullet and deal with it.
But, please stop complaining.
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Well put
But I still reserve my right to complain, when Duhon is playing 40 minutes a game.
I'm with you on this one
I’ve said this a million times before, and in all sports it’s the same. It’s all about the young core playing well together. Guys you like to see that have good chemistry. It’s not about the wins and the championships, though those things tend to come when you have the young core.
And you can see that in this blog and in all these comments. We want to see Toney Douglas and Gallo and Hill figure something out on the court.
Thank You
So beyond complaining at this point- we’ll take our lumps, laugh the pain off and wait til the ship turns around.
The tone of Lupica’s article is about three years too late.
yeah, but how long do d'antoni and walsh get to hide behind this plan thing?
this team doesn’t look like it’s gonna get 30 wins this season, we’re moving backwards. I’m dreading this game against the nets later.
I mean, walsh had a nice run in indiana, but how do we know this guy still has it? and as for d’antoni, alvin gentry seems to be doing just as well with the same pieces. by all accounts mark ivaroni could get 50 wins outta that team.
is our faith in these men well placed?
we have bet the whole thing on pulling a nice fish this summer. and what if that doesn’t work out? what if all we have available to us are t-mac’s used bones? what then?
i suppose the verdict is still out on what we’re working on now. but how long do we wait?
Well
I do think they deserve a little more time. Actually, I haven’t had a big problem with anything Walsh has done so far. I’m concerned about D’antoni – for instance, it comes out that he was in favor of adding Iverson, so what does that do to the confidence of the players he’s got?
But I don’t think there’s any point to getting rid of D’antoni until 2011 at the earliest. Lets get him some better players and see what he can do.
next year.
How Walsh or Pringles could get blamed for this mess…I don’t know.
After they clean the slate and bring in some new blood, if there still is a problem with this team..then look at the coach and Walsh.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 21, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
yea basically
i kind of give them an extra year. for two reasons. one is- if we don’t dump jeffries or trade curry- we have another 18 million coming off the books in the next off season. it changes the complexion of a plan to a certain degree. the other is that i think it’s pretty rare for a team to completely flip it around even when they get the prize player. it usually takes a year for everything to get settled. not every team can do what the celtics just did.
that said, if we are not deep in the playoffs in 2 years, that’s when i start to wonder what these fools are doing.
but yea we must never forget how badly these fellas handsies were tied. can they really pull a houdini? it’s possible, but ….. well…. let’s just say, i don’t envy the task at hand.
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milwaukee brings in a great player and they’re atop a very competitive division.
miami went from basement dweller to champs in two years.
do you remember what the lakers were before they brought in d-fish and pau?
change can happen, and it can happen quickly if you’re collecting the right parts. And i just don’t see us doing that. there’s a lot of faith in our young collection here. I don’t share those sentiments. can jordan hill dribble with both hands? danilo korver can shoot but what else? darko looks good on our bench.
I understand walsh and d’antoni inherited a terrible mess, but they have not done anything to immediately change the win column. and i’m frustrated with that. and i don’t think that’s wrong.
The Bucks are not a good team and will not stay atop their division come playoff time.
You’re making a bad comparison with the Lakers since the Lakers had veteran star caliber players on that roster (Odom, Kobe, Bynum) before they added another veteran star in Pau.
The Knicks are NOT in that position with a sparkling total of ZERO star players on their roster (thanks Thomas). The Knicks are more like Atlanta or Orlando, they need to start from NOTHING and build on their draft picks, which will take years, and is not helped by the fact that they have no lottery pick this year (thanks again Thomas).
Unlike Orlando and Atlanta however, the Knicks have no financial limitations, save what the league imposes with their salary cap, so the Knicks can spend big money to add veteran star players to go along with their potential star players, whom need time to develop.
I get that you’re frustrated, I mean all Knicks fans are, but bringing in a new GM/Coach now is not going to speed anything up. Besides, the less chances this owner has of bringing in another Thomas the better.
Atleast
Thomas would’ve gotten this past draft right
by mightykingcrayon on Nov 23, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
You obviously don't realize how bad the Knicks salary cap position is.
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The salary cap rules state that teams must pay a dollar amount equal to how much they are over the cap right?
During the Thomas years the Knicks had a 130 million dollar annual payroll, when the cap was about 60 mill, so that means they were paying 70 million as a penalty for being so far over the cap.
Because of the penalty the Knicks were in reality paying 200 mil a year for that awful team they had. This coming off season they will be about 20 mill under the cap, unless it drops further, which it may.
Come 2011 they will no longer have Curry or Jeffries combined 16 mil per year on the books so the Knicks don’t have to blow all their ammo on 2010 free agency since their will be others.
With all the unrest going on in New Orleans I believe their is a good chance Chris Paul can become a free agent during the 2011 or 2012 off season. If the Knicks can land one top notch star player this off season, and continue to develop their young players, then they may have a shot of landing CP3.
You have it right.
My post was directed towards pmsjerk, you just gave it more validity so thx brosef.
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he didnt really get cut by memphis
he left the team. how can they justify starting mike conley over him?
because Conley
turned 22 years old last month and is a true point guard.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 21, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
isn't Duhon supposed to be a "true" point guard?
I won’t get into Iverson but overall agree on lupica. btw always liked the moniker Mason’s Haircut….Mase’s cuts were always sick.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
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HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 21, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
gay mayo (you know what that is)
and randolph… those guys need the ball to be effective. putting iverson in with that squad makes the rotation so lopsided it’s probably hard to look at.
conley is wack tho.
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The way the NBA has changed...
Does anybody know what the hell a true point guard is anymore? My take is Memphis is full of dudes who can ball but they all need the ball in their hands (no homo) to be effective. Thats why AI didnt fit.
by mightykingcrayon on Nov 23, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Very Well Written
I like this. I’m also glad that AI is not poisoning our team.
I like this post ...
… especially the gladiator pic, because it gave me an idea.
If the Knicks can sign Iverson, then put him in a steel cage with a gladius in his hands, then throw in Jeffries and Duhon so he can cut them down, then maybe we can start winning!!
They can throw that steel cage match in at half-time. Now that’s entertainment!
the rockets don't want useless players
i’d love to make that trade tho.
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Im for signing Iverson
but between Iverson and Harrington, would ANYONE get any shots?
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 30, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
You are the Rockets GM.
Do you really want to take on Jefferies contract?
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i'm the rockets gm... but i still get to be me, right?
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I don't quite understand
how sooooo many of us Knicks fans here are opposed and not even willing to think about Iverson on a one yr vets min in which we’d give up no players and yet we’d give a pass to McGrady?
Mind you, I have nothing against T-Mac but at this point Iverson is clearly the better player with Mac Man not having played in more than a year with a bum knee to boot.
Not saying the Mac Man is a bad idea but is he not being called a “distraction” in Houston?
I just don’t get the benefit of having one over the other, they’d likely bring the same problems if they came in but both contracts would be up by 2010.
The only difference at all I guess, would be we would have the chance to unload a hefty contract or two in exchange for McGrady. But if your Houston why would you take the mammoth non expiring contracts of less accomplished players for T-Mac when they could just buy him out for less than what he’s owed now or cut him and let whatever team that picks him up pay the remainder
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
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HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions
well...
i am neither opposed to or against mac mall. and i was basically on the fence for iverson too.
but, to me, mcgrady is more interesting because we’d have to move someone. so it creates space. whether we get rid of an unwanted contract or not – doesn’t exactly matter, cus we’re the worst. but iverson would have been added on. we got enough guys that don’t get time. the prospect of mcgrady… even though it’s not happening is more intriguing because of that.
HAVING SAID THAT
everybody realizes that we are not getting mcgrady and sholdn’t even bother discussing it right?
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