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the larry hughes conundrum

larry hughes playing efficient basketball doesn't exactly make sense.  he came into the league in 1998 and has played for six different teams, and has not lasted longer than three years anywhere.  he has always had low shooting percentages, and high shooting volume.  shooting roughly once every two minutes is major.  he has shot 31% from beyond the arc for his career and in two games this year is right on target shooting 33%.  despite the none too pretty shooting from distance, he is still shooting 62% overall.

 

 

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yes jared, larry has the flattest shot on the team.  and he turns the ball over some.  and he doesn't get huge assist numbers (too busy shooting).  but he is in control with the rock, and never seems flustered by pressure defense.  on the other side, larry consistently makes very nice, clean swipes, and he does it at a pretty high clip.  in his best year, statistically, larry was scoring 22 a game, getting 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 2.5 turnovers while getting to the line 7 times in 38 minutes a game.  that is rather exceptional (except for the shooting %'s) i know it's only been two games so far, but it's impossible to ignore larry's production, and with nate out for two weeks, we (as fanatics) have to consider what to expect from larry hughes.

Star-divide

 

last year, we saw larry for 25 games.  he started right away and we were impressed.  shortly after that, the luster wore off, and we headed into this season praying larry would not make the rotation.  we got our wish, and then suddenly things got going and we really needed a win, and larry came into the picture and helped us out with a steady hand and calming presence.  he made decisive passes, and a bevy of step up jumpers from 16-18 feet.  it was undoubtedly a sight to behold. 

 

he got the start in our only win.  and was more or less the fifth option on offense.  i say that because clearly duhon and lee in the pick and roll, is option number one.  option number two is proving itself to be the GODllinari option.  we usually try to get wilson chandler going early.  and that's four players and that makes hughes the fifth option.  i like having hughes as a fifth option.  plus when harrington comes in, he usurps hughes shot-control even more.  the only thing that scares me is when those two are on the same side of the court.  7 seconds or less is definitely about to happen when they are paired.  also one pass or less is about to happen. 

 

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the only thing that i ever thought about when considering larry hughes, for years, was injury prone.  it seems like he has gotten past that.  he did come in to the league rail-thin and teen-aged, so perhaps it should not come as a surprise.  nevertheless larry's 80% two-point shooting, is not likely to keep up.  we can hope he steps up and makes the mid range jumpers, and we can hope he goes to the hoop aggressively and gets to the line.  but it's tough to tell what could happen.  over the course of his career larry just never had the chops to be a good scorer.  he has averaged over 20 points twice in his career and both of those years he was getting to line about 7 times a game, and the low shooting percentages were constant.  every other year his scoring goes up and down, and mostly it goes down.  pause.

 

so, what?  go back to benching larry when he falls back to earth?  make a website that makes fun of the website that makes fun of larry hughes?  showcase him, then pair him with jeffries and ship them to the wizards?  shove him back to the end of the bench?  buy him out?   we gotta have the discussion.  here's a few talking points:

 

  • larry hughes is from st. louis.  david lee is from st. louis.
  • larry hughes is good friends with lebron james.  lebron james is good friends with lebron james.
  • his contract is expiring.  everyone's contract is expiring.
  • he takes so many bad shots.  you're taking a cheap shot.

 

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I actually have a good feel about Hughes this year.. his mentality has definately changed and he is accepting the role of “not throwing up 20 shots a game”… he is maturing and from reading various quotes by him, he like the role of setting up other shooters on the team and enjoys the defensive leader role… —-definately encouraging to hear.. but i want to see more games with that type of performance or that type of will to win before i give him my stamp of approval

by semsemma on Nov 4, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The one thing

about Hughes that makes him more than just another high volume mediocre shooting guard is that he sees the value of defense and can play some. Since Toney doesn’t seem quite ready for big minutes yet, it’s important to have a guy who understands the importance of defense out on the floor at the beginning of games – even if his own defense isn’t quite what it once was. He does tend to take bad shots, but really, is he any worse from 3 pt land than Harrington and Chandler and Nate? He has said that he doesn’t like playing point guard, but he’s always had some skill there, and it probably makes him shoot less. He’s not a perfect player by any means but I think that in a good system he’s not bad and his defensive attitude is the thing that makes him above average. He seems to have learned some humility from his experiences last year. His shooting percentage is never going to be high but on this team, he has some skills that other players lack. And I have not really been that impressed with what I’ve seen from N8 this year. They’ve got to get Douglas some PT so they can assess him this year, but right now, Hughes is looking like a good rotation piece.

by fuhry on Nov 4, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

indeed

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by stingy d on Nov 4, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am very fine with Hughes

getting major burn…

however, that goes out the window if he responds to a bad night by keeping on shooting the ball.

Coach will have to be ready to sit him if he is having one of those nights, where nothing is falling. Or he has to recognize it, and not shoot so much.

I like his presence on D.

by gbaked on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i was a big fan of your hughes rule

2 shots for every assist, i think it was? we need him to play the point a little, and i’m willing to put up with less efficient shooting if he does that well.

by Seth on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Larry Hughes is in a contract year. That makes him much more valuable. His best year was a contract year. Let him play well and another team will overpay him next year.

by mindfeck on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

***

Larry does have a tendency to shoot some bad shots, but hell every Knick has that tendency. Hughes has done a good job playing point and defending, and I do think Larry Playing point makes him think a little clearer and makes him less shot happy. It’s still early but I am very impressed with Hughes’s play and how he handled the dnp-cd.

by Jay Jordo on Nov 4, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

to be truly honest...

I think your Talking Points are awesome.

Hughes will always have a little value because he is streaky with his shot, but solid on D. Hes an Ideal guy to have on the Knicks this year. He will make open shots, he can run, he can D up and no one will care about whether or not he leaves after the season.
Rent-A-Hughes. Good for you, good for me, good for everybody.

by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 4, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s kind of interesting how people are discussing shooting efficiency in regard to a team coached by D’Antoni. I always view Coach’s approach as being more of a volume system that typically fails to generate high-percentage chances. In that light, Larry Hughes’s vice become virtues.

by chin8tao on Nov 9, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

no way.

look at the d’antoni coached suns. everyone shoots extremely high %’s. and the more they use a player (nash, amare) the higher the percentages were.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Knicks are NOT the Suns...

obviously. To me, that has much more to do with the players he had than the so-called “system” that was in place. No player on the Knicks, save Al Harrington, can expect to get it up early in the shot clock and put up points. These guys just aren’t that skilled.

D’Antoni should stop coaching the Suns and start coaching the Knicks.

by chin8tao on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok you're kinda right

the knicks are not the suns. but consider this, if you’ve watched the knicks this year, you’ve certainly noticed they are bricking WIDE OPEN SHOTS. that’s the system’s/coach’s fault? guess again.

and harrington is the worst example for your story, because he could shoot as much as he wants and as fast as he wants, but he takes the team out of it’s offensive set every time down the floor. and he just fumbles the ball away. it’s depressing.

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by stingy d on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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