Oh No - The Kool-aid's Wearing Off
Editor's Note: Fuhry's Fanpost seems to reflect the overriding sentiment around the internets. I missed last night's game, but I have a feeling I'd be just as grumpy as the rest of y'all had I seen it. Are we prepared to change our minds after the rousing upset against Cleveland tomorrow?
Uh oh. I think the Knicks might stink.
They have a collection of mediocre, flawed players. Some of them play the same position as others, and Coach D'Antoni can't figure out which ones to play. They have one guy, Gallinari, who might be more than a mediocre, flawed player - he could be a Reggie Miller type of sharpshooter - but neither the players on the court nor the coach seem to be interested in getting him the ball or getting him going.
Let's take a look at these guys (Again):
Chris Duhon: He's not a ball hog or a chucker. He doesn't turn the ball over that much. He runs a pretty good pick and roll with David Lee. But on the court, he doesn't seem like he is in control of the team. He is neither the coaches mouthpiece nor the players' advocate on the floor, nor is he an offensive weapon. He's made some big shots this year down the stretch, also some big turnovers. Meh.
David Lee: Lee looks like their most consistent player at this point. Picks up points and rebounds, clever cutter, talented rebounder, usually shows serious effort. Also playing the 5 spot. He's a bit small for a 5. Actually he's a lot small for a 5. He's a bit small for a 4, if you ask me. Still, a player that manages to have a positive effect on almost every game. Though when the chips are down, not one to be able to create his own shot or take over the game.
Al Harrington: Trying to be a leader this year. Not a leader, really. Good guy. Talented, very nimble for a guy that's 260 pounds and 6'9". Uses that nimbleness to drive to the hoop and score inside and get to the line. That's good. Will pass out at the perimeter, but not a playmaker. Will not pass the ball once he starts driving. Once defenses key on him, he can't make them pay for that. Defensively, he should be able to guard centers. Should be able to get a lot of rebounds too. Doesn't really do either of those things particularly well.
Jared Jeffries: 6' 11", mobile and quick. That's it. That's all there is. Soft mentally - easily intimidated. Can play defense against guards better than you would think. That's good, but not really enough to justify keeping him on the floor. Nice guy. Also trying to be a leader.
Wilson Chandler: Shows intriguing upside. Quick, with the ability to drive. Has shown some defensive skill. Doesn't seem really enthusiastic to score on the other team. He does it once in a while. No thirst to dominate. Needs to be prodded on court. Does not appear anyone's doing that.
Larry Hughes: Solid Veteran. Shooting guard with some point guard ability. Not much desire to be a point guard though. Shooting percentage on the low side for a shooting guard. Shows defensive ability and desire. That's a good thing. Not fired up. Meh.
Danilo Gallinari: As I said, tons of potential. Has shooting stroke, other offensive skills. Seems to have some fire in his belly. Shows some defensive heart. Shows some smarts. Doesn't move without ball. Doesn't demand ball. Best shooter on the team, but errs on the side of caution. Needs to be switched on - no one seems to be doing that.
Darko Milicic: 7 feet tall, fairly agile, seems to like defense. Awkward offensively, but some skill there. For some reason, coaches seem reluctant to keep him on the floor for very long. Might be an asshole. Hard to read.
Toney Douglas: Not particularly brash. Good size and speed for a point guard. Not quite sure how to play in the NBA yet. Could score and lead, once upon a time in college, but seems deferential and tentative at this level. Faced with having to earn minutes and respect at this level. Tough job when everyone else has more experience.
Jordan Hill: is 6'10" and pretty athletic. Nice kid. Has no idea how to play when everyone is as fast and as tall as him. They tell me he can shoot, but I haven't seen it. I saw him post up and he looked like Oakley posting up. That's not good, but if he could do other things like Oakley that would be good. I don't think he'll ever have the fire or leadership of Oakley though. That's bad.
There are a couple of other guys on the end of the bench but I'll just leave them out.
Coach D'antoni: Had great success coaching Nash and Stoudemire in Phoenix. Alvin Gentry's doing pretty well with that too, though. D'antoni might not be the genius we had hoped for. That he hasn't found a way to fit all these wayward parts together should not necessarily be a strike against him. This is a collection of players with decent attitudes and some intriguing skills, but there's something very seriously missing here. You need some players that are willing to (and can) take the team on their back and take it to another level on a consistent basis. I'm seeing some guys trying and failing and other guys not really trying. This team can win some games if the shots are falling and if the other team isn't red-hot. But I don't see them consistently winning more games than they lose. They just don't seem to have any way to knock another team on its heels, or to create a problem the other team can't solve.
In Gallinari, I see the only genuine threat to opponents. He can shoot, and it looks like he can create if they take his shot away. Although he is still raw, he seems willing and possibly able to take the team on his back. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to D'antoni to order the team to feed him the ball and to work out ways of getting him untracked? I think so. But I don't think D'antoni's that kind of coach. He likes to let the players work it out, I think. And they're not really working it out, are they?
The only thing I can think to do at this point is to start Toney Douglas and just let him make mistakes out there. I have a feeling Toney would feed Gallo when he's hot. But that could be a fantasy. I don't know that Toney has any understanding of how to play with players that can shoot better than he can. But I think there's a chance. Instinctively, I feel positive about the Toney Douglas - Danilo Gallinari pairing. Maybe throw Wilson Chandler and N8 in there too. Lee will find a way to make himself useful. And Darko - someone should give him 30 minutes a game for half a season and see what he figures out. But the key is that Douglas has to be in charge out there. There's a chance those guys could figure out a way to dominate at least some of the teams they face.
But coaches will rarely do that to their veterans.
I have a feeling that Harrington should go. I like him, I think he's got a good attitude and some skills, and he really wants to be a Knick but I just don't think he's a chemistry guy. And he may be too established as a veteran to take instructions from a guy like Toney Douglas. I'd trade Harrington for another expiring contract. Boozer would be good.
Toney Douglas may not be the answer out there. But really, I think he's all they've got right now. They ought to hand him the reins and see what he can come up with for the rest of the season. Maybe they have to trade Duhon to do it - to LA for Adam Morrison? I don't know. I'm grasping at straws here. I just have this feeling that they need to put Douglas and Gallo and Chandler in a situation where they are forced to take over the game in order to prevent the Knicks from being utterly humiliated. Only then can the new Knick era begin. Or end quickly and painfully, as the case may be.
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Nice writeup
I think Toney is trying to find himself. He was obviously a huge deal at FSU and essentially was their entire team at times. I think he is scared to be that player now and is trying to figure out what role he should play. I agree that we should invest in him over Duhon. I like Du, but I see no fire. Ghostface has hella fire.
I’m not entirely ready to get rid of Al at this point. He holds the team together at times. I saw him make 1 or 2 wonder passes while driving in the Sixers game.
I think the player I’ve been most dissapointed in this year is Chandler. He shows the potential to be a superstar at times, but for some reason seems to show no competitive spirit. He was my favorite player for a while last year. When he threw down that ridiculous dunk over that dude last year and showed no emotion whatsoever, we should have known that was a bad sign. I wanted to go break a window I was so excited, but he just wanted to walk to the foul line calmly and coolly. I want to see D’antoni ride him more…no homo.
I will say that for the first time in about 9 years, I’m excited about our players and genuinely like almost all of them. It’s just like we’re a fantasy football team of all really good receivers. We can’t win matchups against complete “Teams,” that have quarterbacks and wide receivers and all that stuff. Jeffries can’t start anymore. The starting lineup needs to have Al, Nate, Lee, Gallo and I guess TD. Obv I want TD to be the starting point guard, but I don’t know if he is ready yet. I haven’t seen the pick and roll execution yet. If we’ve learned anything in the four games we’ve played so far, it’s that if we get play with a lot of energy early and get out ahead, we can win. Natedog needs to be on the court at the beginning of the game when he gets back from being hurt.
by Weasie on Nov 5, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very Well Said
We got rid of most of the head cases and assholes but players like Al Harrington, Duhon and Jeffries are not leaders, and by trying to lead, regardless of their attentions, are doing us only harm and freezing out the rookies. Duhon never seems interested in passing to Gallinari unless it’s a last resort, and Darko is ignored completely even when he’s open. Darko isn’t the best offensive weapon out there but confidence can only help him. Also Chandler’s refusal to drive to the basket is killing him out there. Great defender but he’s turning into a chucker on the offense, and I suspect the players around him are a big cause of that.
D’antoni seems afraid to start the rookies, but we are clearly not winning like this. Also Lee as a center is killing us, his points don’t mean as much when he makes every center in the league (Except the great Brook Lopez, go figure) look like Hakeem.
by Nolan B on Nov 5, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
spot on
only, i would let nate drive this thing. instead of toney.
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by stingy d on Nov 5, 2009 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
thing is
nate and lee have the million dollar bonus for a playoff bid. if it’s money that matters… those guys have the most on the line. lee plays harder than everybody every second he’s out there. and if d’antoni showed confidence in nate, i have a feeling he would respond. and he definitely is more of a threat than duhon or douglas.
not a slight to toney, he just doesn’t have it yet.
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by stingy d on Nov 6, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think chandler is still coming back from his offseason surgery – he may be fine physically, but it still takes a lot of confidence to get over that mental block of “am i gonna get hurt again going to the hoop”…if he doesn’t get over this by the midway point of the season then its legitimate concern…TD looks like a deer in headlights right now, i don’t think hes gonna start this season, but i agree he does need more minutes (and so does darko)
by tz88 on Nov 5, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lee gallo nate wilson
add one super star and it equals a ring.
it should be pretty obvious there is one big piece missing keeping us from competing but until then we need to maximize the other four talents. like it or not duhon jared al all these other fools are expendable. so why are we even giving them playing time. if it meant we would gain something like a playoff birth den ok, but we are going nowhere fast. might as well do something useful with the free year we have until the front office starts making moves.
i really truly beilieve that our young core is going to be a great supporting cast. the only lottery pick we got is gallo. we should truly be happy that soo many of our sleeper picks have come along so great. please mike let this nucleas grow and be comfortable together. itll make it that much easier for a fifth piece to fit in.
by karamjitm9090 on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
with the notion that the Knicks are one player away. look at the Celtics right now. look at the Magic. look at the Lakers. tell me again that all it takes is one guy to make this team great. Gallo, Nate, DLee, Wil are all nice pieces, but none of those four would be even the 4th best player on any of those teams.
the Knicks would have to get a top-level guy (LeBron, Wade, Amare… i’m just throwing names out there), and another B to B+ guy (Gay, Joe Johnson, Boozer), to get to where they need to be.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 5, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
As I see it, they need 2 pieces – a floor general and a super star. Also they need a Center, if the super star isn’t one of those. But even with just a good floor general they could be a lot better.
by fuhry on Nov 6, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was so hurt on draft day
when brandon jennings showed up late. the knicks crowd would have went insane for the theatrics. and dude is a cear cut rookie of the year candidate already.
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by stingy d on Nov 6, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree about Harrington
i have nothing against him at all. good guy. obviously a pretty talented player. seems like he gives a shit. but he’s got a bit of a case of the A.I. (Allen Iverson). he’ll plug a stat sheet but your team won’t win.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 5, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
32 wins, maybe 35, max
Said it before (and got ridiculed for it) and will say it again. The soul of the NYKnicks is defense. They will never, ever win with D’Antoni.
by Shivling on Nov 6, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the Knicks lost their soul a LOOOOOONNNGG time ago.....
I mean you’re right, a defensive coach would help with that
I would have rather them grab Thibedoux from Boston…..but to say they’ll never win with Pringles, I just don’t see how you can say that yet.
All coaches win with great players, no coach wins with the suck the Knicks have right now.
If they somehow assemble a team next season and they don’t make the playoffs, or squeak in and out lf the playoffs…then OK.
Still, you gotta give him time. You can’t say that the Suns were all that bad with him there…I’d KILL for the Knicks to be what the Suns were with Pringles there.
The fact him and Donnie Walsh are on the same page too?
You’re ripping the wrong guy.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 6, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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