Walsh still pissed about Jennings?
I'm choosing to ignore this, as I like Jordan Hill's game and know the past can't be corrected. Also, the idea of a rift between Dolan and Walsh is completely unsurprising.
That's all the time I'm giving this. Feel free to do otherwise.
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WHY???
WHY? are there people from the Isiah regime still there?
"It ain't over till its over"---
If there's anything I'm sure of, its the Sun coming up in the morning, and Steve Smith.
give me a break
donnie needs to step up and take the blame – he’s the one running the show so at the end of the day it’s his fault that jennings went to the bucks. hearing him say he didn’t have a feel for jennings game is just downright awful, he’s basically admitting that he wasn’t doing his job and didn’t know how good the kid was.
Yeah, not really sure what he’s saying here. The scouts should feel more secure in their jobs, but he’s annoyed that he couldn’t revamp the FO. The responsibility lies with me, but the scouts didn’t tell me enough, so it’s their fault.
Second-guessing draft picks can go on endlessly. This just stings a little right now because of how few top picks the Knicks have had in recent years, despite their complete suckitude.
Rangers, Royals, Raiders, Knicks...the man loves a winner.
by self loather on Dec 10, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hints?
Honestly, I didn’t see any hints that he was blaming Dolan or Isiah’s guys for not picking Jennings. All Walsh said was that Dolan didn’t want to pay for hiring extra front office guys, like another GM or assistant GM. And he wasn’t complaining about it – he was agreeing with it. He didn’t say that Dolan made him keep Isiah’s scouts.
I’ve heard it was one of Isiah’s scouts that was pushing Jennings. I’m sure Dolan will tell all his scouts that they need to be agressive if they feel really strongly about a guy. But I don’t see him placing any blame here or shirking responsibility, or complaining about Dolan. That’s completely made up by Isola.
Interesting article in some ways, but the conclusions it draws are not supported by anything that’s actually being reported on. I hate to see fans get riled up by crap like this.
I'm glad you sed it
i don’t like paying attn to reporters…hahn included, because they’ll give you “facts” and “quotes” which are based in truth but will write it in a way which either clearly slants the opinion one way or the other or withhold the context and leave out their opinions leaving you to think the worst.
They all have blame to go around in the miss on Jennings or Lawson etc etc…I’m sure the scouts are afraid for their jobs but I don’t think Donnie is actively running out Thomas’ leftovers. It’s more likely that they are making more cautious and safer scouting decisions because of the uncertainty of the situation. Their jobs may be safer than the odds of Tiger Woods bangin someone’s in this threads mom but they don’t see it like that. How many times have workers been fired after being told they’re safe? happens all the time.
And being that they aren’t his people Walsh may not have the familiarity needed to get thru to them despite wanting to keep a few of them. And yes I’m sure some of them should be kept…Ariza, Lee, Chandler all pretty good picks. Even Frye seems like he is growing into his own over in PHX. The problem has never been the talent they have scouted, but the management of said talent once it’s time to prepare and actually play.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Isiah's drafting team is overrated
Yes, they found some steals like Ariza, Lee and Chandler, but we never saw such brilliance in his lotto picks, because he sold them all. The only lotto pick Isiah drafted was Frye, and how did that one work out?
Besides that, what’s done is done. Isola is doing what he always does, and it ain’t what Toney Douglas do.
don't hate on Frye
dude was good in his rookie year, but got screwed by Larry Brown and then got lost in the shuffle in Portland. look at him now – he’s killing it for the Suns and should be a candidate for most improved player this year.
but on this whole Brandon Jennings thing, i’m over it. it’s not as if we can go back in time and re-do the draft, so who cares? every team misses on draft picks. also, let’s not forget that big men take a longer time to develop – it’s very possible that Hill could end up being better.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Frye is a good player, but far from great and while I would love to have him right now, I’d love to have Bynum or Granger even more.
what?
how is frye a good player? thats like saying qrich is a good player because of one phoenix season.
Q-Rich was good..until he came to the Knicks and broke his back. He was one of the better players on the joke that is the Clips even before that season with freakish 3 point shooting.
Frye also had a pretty good rookie season..he’s a good shooting big man, he’s a roleplayer and was not a good draft pick but he has his uses and he’s in a good position in Phoenix. That being said Gallo already has more weapons than him.
agreed.
I was skeptical about Jennings and my skepticism furthured when he suddenly crashed the draft and had this look like “I’m all that”. Yeah, we needed a PG, so i could understand NY drafting him. I knew Jordan Hill would be a project as did New York. So I am withholding my judgement until after next year to determine if we fucked up or not. Yeah, Jennings is more NBA ready and he has started off well, but since his big game, he is also shooting pretty poorly and coming back down to earth of late. No doubt he would have helped fill a gap for us, but it’s not entirely fair to assume Hill is a bust so quickly.
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 10, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions
I sorta KNEW they weren't taking Jennings
It wouldn’t make sense given his rumored “attitude” problem confirmed by the youtube thing, which I really wouldn’t care for at all had he kept the Knicks name out of his mouth. But it’s that very thing that kept them from drafting him. Had they wanted a skilled point with diva like tendencies and an ability to create migraines they would have kept and started Marbury over the marginally avg Duhon. They might not say as much but it’s the exact same reason nate isn’t gettin run right now. Dantoni just clashes with those types and won’t even make an attempt to appease them.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
i took it more as
walsh was a little po’d at one of the scouts barking that HE knew jennings would be this good. Kinda like walsh saying… “well dude, if you KNEW that then you should have been banging on my door to make your point! Not harping to the media after the fact.”
thats how I read it too.
Gotta get everyone on the same page again. Its fine that Isiahs “people” are still with NY, but Walsh and Isiah both have different views of building a team. The current scouts arent as familiar with Walsh as they were Thomas. I would understand if we heard that they kept Jennings name quiet since they had just dealt with Marbury and were afraid of bringing in a similar ego. Bottom line, Walsh has to get everyone on the same page.
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 10, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I was not estatic about Hill
but I understood why they did it, We needed a solid big man…BAD, and with the abundance of talent at guard in the draft why not take the next highest rated prospect at the 4 position and save a later pick for one of the many guards such as TD still available? If we had gambled and took Jennings (which I could have lived with and been very pleased) then Hill would be gone and it would be quite possible we’d have to wait another 2-3 years to snag someone at his position with the same amount of potential. It was a risk they chose not to take. Wasn’t happy at the time, but I’m fine with it now…Though a lil more PT might show a lil more confidence and justification of the pick
As with all draft matters ur damned if u do and damned if u don’t. At best the draft amounts to an educational guess…it’s a game of poker.
Oden was a great pick for the blazers at number one but I bet the second he got injured some of the same supporters of that pick were lobbying against it all of a sudden. Sometimes u can’t win.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions
If by some miracle we get Lebron...
Hill will be by far the best choice from that draft. Lebron handles the ball, Toney Douglas is the perfect role player point because he can both score and defend, and all we would be missing is a big man who could guard the paint. HIll might not be a center but he was the only viable big man left besides Blair, whose long term health is still questionable.
not sure i agree with your logic
I dig Toney Douglas and i think Hill will be a solid player. Both Jennings and Ty Lawson look quite promising.
Course, i Do think Lebron will be on Knicks orange and blue (or black and yellow like someone suggested)
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 11, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
internal politicking
I think Walsh wants to bring some of his people in – and this is a way to lobby for it.
2 things to note
1) There is no way of knowing if Jennings would be as big a hit on the Knicks
2) It is almost impossible to judge a draft in the first year -
Jennings is good but...
The guy is a ball dominant point guard. His usage rate is way high and he’s more od a drive and kick, or drive and dish guy. The best point guards are guys like Nash, Kidd and now Deron Williams who get their assists and points within the flow of an offense not by controlling the ball for possessions at a time. Jennings obviously is young and can make adjustments to his game, but I think his explosion has been a bit exaggerated on a team with little other offensive talent. It has created an environment perfect for a player to inflate his own personal offensive statistics.
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