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Why I am excited, yet completely scared out of my mind.


Remember in January of 2006 when the New York Knicks won 6 games in a row to start the new year.  Plenty of "We are going undefeated in 2006 and making the playoffs" and "WOO this team is starting to suck less" jokes were passed around the 2 or 3 Knicks fans I knew.  It was a spark of optimism this team needed, after amassing a record of 7-21 to start the season.  Larry Brown, yes he coached the Knicks, was still our coach (but not for long!) and expectations were high (well aren't they always unfortunately...).  The win streak made this team a little more confident than they were and ultimately they lost their next 6 in a row and 16 out of their next 17 to show they this team was the 2005-06 New York Suckfest. 

Fast forward 5 seasons, because none of us want to relive the Isiah years even in print form.  The Knicks start of the season 4-15 (what else is new), and then all of a sudden we are on a 4 game win streak!  Against talent such as the New Orleans Hornets, the Atlanta Hawks, Portland Trailblazers, and the greatest team in the NBA your New Jersey Nets. This streak is ironically the next longest streak since that run in January of 2006.  It is going to draw comparisons (hey look that's what this article is about), but the circumstances are completely different.  Stephon Marbury went insane and was finally banished, Isiah is gone (which makes waking up everyday a bit easier trust me), a competent President in Donnie Walsh has emerged, Mike D'Antoni is the savior, some white skinny guy (hey we can play ball too) named Danilo is showing why he may not have been the worst choice at number 6 overall, the Knicks are letting a rookie do what Toney Douglas do, and the way we play this game is just getting better.  Basketball is a team sport and lately this team is playing, well like a team. 

The 2006 Knicks won games because Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford scored 50-70% of the team's points, David Lee might have had a good game, and Eddie Curry didn't fuck things up.  The 2009 Knicks are a two-faced team so far, but are looking like they are conquering the evil part of Harvey Dent.  Let's compare 2 box scores to show what I mean.

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October 31, 2009 76'ers 121 Knicks 115.  While some of us were having a night of debauchery at college, the Knicks were having their home opener!  I was following along online as I prepared to go out and have some fun, and was surprised the Knicks were hanging in with this supposedly better team.  They even forced overtime!  Want to know why?  Al Harrington Scored 42 and Danillo Galinari scored 30.  We had a top heavy performance, and well getting outscored 19-5 in OT won't help you win any games.  The 76'ers had five guys over 15 points to the Knicks 4.  4 of those 5 76'ers were over 20 points, while only 2 Knicks were over 20 (Harrington and Galinari).  The Sixers were just a deeper team and didn't rely on a lanky Italian shooting 8-16 from downtown to hang in there.

Now compare to December 4, 2009 Knicks 114 Hawks 107.  I was supposed to go to this game, and was really pissed when I missed getting to see my Knickerbockers win.  Really pissed.  But, the outcome was still pleasing and so was how they played.  The Knicks had 5 guys in double figures (out of the 8 that played), to the Hawks four.  The Knicks had 4 guys over 18 points, to the Hawks 2.  Chris Duhon led the Knicks with quite possibly his best game of the season wit 25 points 10 assists and 0 turnovers.  David Lee almost grabbed more boards than he did points (18 points 17 rebounds), and the Knicks spread the scoring around.  This was without Danilo (who's been a helluva lot better than last season), and only 6 minutes of Toney Douglas.  Nate did not play, and the rotation was tight and working as a unit. 

Working as a unit are words I have not used to describe The Knicks since I was in grade school (aka the 90s).  I like what I'm seeing, but scared completely.  I don't want this streak to get to their heads (also the playoff spot nonsense too).  We are a developing team, and developing nicely.  I think we could make a run at the 8th seed (which will go to a sub .500 team, but playoffs are playoffs), but we need to stay focus.  I'm afraid we'll win a game or 2 more (with Charlotte and Chicago our upcoming games this is possible) and then lose 6 in a row again.  Boys you are doing great, stay focused, and please don't go back to 2006 (no one likes Isiah, or Stephon anymore so don't give us reasons to think about them again).  Let's go Knicks, and here's a poll to make everything better!

Poll
Will we keep up our winning ways or sink back in 2006
The Ghost of Stephon will haunt this team
9 votes
Mike D'Antoni, Toney Douglas, and Danilo Galinari are the saviors of this team
14 votes
We will play .500 and still get a playoff spot because the east sucks
42 votes
Jordan Hill will average more minutes a game than this team will have wins
6 votes

71 votes | Poll has closed

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i voted for the ghost of stephon marbury

i haven’t seen the mental fortitude yet. and some of the teams that are sturggling, are going to come around. the bulls are a perfect example.

it’s a good stretch. something to build on for certain. but there is a ton of work to do.

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by stingy d on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down

but I don’t read much into those boxscores. The season lasts from November to April, and the team you see on Oct 31 is completely different than the one you see in the middle months of the season. Even now, December, I find it ridiculous for anyone to even MENTION playoffs. Everything can change. Shit, what was it… 2 weeks ago, people had their arms up in a panic seeing NY starting 1-9. We had people calling for trades, firings, adjustments, etc. Now we win 4 of 5 games and all of a sudden we are playoff contenders!! I hate that shit. What do we have…. 55 or so games left

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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Actually I don't think you do.

The idea was to compare the attitudes at the time from 06 to the same attitudes now and how they are the same. Then remember what happened then and prepare ourselves now because that is a possibility. I only mention playoffs in the end because I am an eternal optimist. I’m also comparing and contrasting the beginning of the season play to now. I’m not calling for a playoff push, I’m just noting it as a possibility because the East is very weak.

by xcdudesquad on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I DO get it.

MY point was more towards NOT using the first game of an 82 game, 6 month season to try and figure out where the teams attitudes are. There just isn’t much to learn after 1 game. The players have no idea what their own attitudes are and it takes time to find a set rotation (which further helps determines player attitudes). Summer league isnt a full squad, and preseason is really just extended practice with only the last 2 games having your starters really play big minutes. It takes time for a team to come together. Even back in 2006, the Knicks were already deep into the season 28 games!).

We are only 24 games into the season now. Your comparisons are just a bit early, is all. The Hawks game is a good game to look at. It started our streak. Lets see what happens this weekend and take another temperature. Or better yet, Use the first 6 games in 2006 against our first 6 in 2010.

Also- just to note… one huge difference this year is our guys know most of them wont be here next year. That wasn’t the case in 2005/2006. We were trying to win, not rebuild.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 16, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess we just see it differently

And 4 games is not that much a difference. Its basically the same time, thus I felt a comparison was justified.

by xcdudesquad on Dec 21, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

In 06

We had a good chance to get the 8th and even 7th seed and then the injury bug hit.

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by THEWILLY on Dec 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

I seem to remember Lee got hurt

and they seemed to go way downhill after that.

by fuhry on Dec 21, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember that too

more because I had just traded for him in a fantasy league. He cost me too. Big time.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

We ca do it.

We should be a .500 team. We have talent. Coaching is the key, just like it was when Marbury was here. I don’t completely blame Marbury for what happened. Isiah Thomas should shoulder most of the blame as Coach, GM, Pres. of Op. The Knicks have had talent all along. They lacked good, consistant coaching. D’Antoni is the best coach we probably have had since Van Gundy. I don’t like everything he does, but I give him credit for what he’s done so far. He still has a lot of work to do before we will be near .500, but I think he can do it.

by gaga71 on Dec 16, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

agree.

.500 is for real, not out of the question.

I can see how they have the talent to do it too. They can beat damn near anyone, that is when they don’t turn the ball over (see: Magic games).

They gotta not turn the ball over. Keep that shit to a minmum…then lets see what they do.

They keep the turnovers to a min…the Knicks lose, tip the headband to the other team.

I just can’t stand these damn turnovers and they lose….its unnecessary.

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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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