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NBA Necessity

Every good team, let alone great team, has a leader; plain and simple. Look through history and every NBA Finals winner has a clearly defined leader, not necessarily in the tangible hockey sense, though some teams in the NBA have made their leader a cute little "C" (which I assume stands for "contrived"). It is not always an organized process (in fact, I'm of the belief that it should NOT be organized), but it is a necessary one; the definition of a team leader, in one sense or another.

 

Let's rap!

Star-divide

 

The past few years, the Knicks have had some dogshit "Captain" types: Stephon Marbury, a "Bench presence" in the form of Malik ass Rose, Steve Francis, etc. You get the picture. But in today's NBA landscape particularly, you cannot get by with a team of fuck-job noncompetitors. Let's review:

 

Los Angeles Lakers - Kobe Bryant

(which actually brings me to my first amendment: A great coach can act as a leader, so long as there is a player who acts as a supplementary leader. This shit will all make sense. I'm not talking about a good, flavor-of-the week motherfuckers, which precludes anyone named "Brown" from getting that title, I'm talking about genuinely great coaches; Popovich, Jackson, Riley, Van Gundy. In the instance where both a great coach and a player-leader are involved, you have a chance for a transcendent team (read: 90's Bulls, Bad Boy Pistons, Early 00's Lakers, Late 90's-2008 Spurs, Faggot 60's Celtics, Showtime Lakers).

 

Boston Celtics - Kevin Garnett (is a bitch).

Orlando Magic - Stan Van Gundy (no matter how much you hate him).

San Antonio Spurs - Tim Duncan/Greg Popovich.

 

And here's what brings me to my REAL question; who is the leader of the Knicks? Even decent teams have floor leaders, such as the Blazers in Brandon Roy, or the SuperSonics in Kevin Durant.

Let's take a look at what's preventing us from having a real leader.

1. Almost every player on the Knicks is, to some capacity, a goofy bitch.

     I mean, let's just think about this for a second. Gallo is still too young to contend for a floor general position, and he's the only non-silly bitch we have on our team. David Lee makes silly faces when he dunks, plus he gets blocked on about 1/8th his shots, plus I play better defense than he does. Wilson Chandler is a silly bitch because he still thinks he should shoot threes and he gets to the line about once a year. Al Harrington is a silly mouthpiece bitch, drawing fouls and firing up the team as much as he can, but he's not exactly "intelligent" in the common sense, and I think he might actually be allergic to passing. Chris Duhon hasn't taken a three-point in over a year that hasn't been from half-court (albeit he makes some), plus he shoots about 11% in the immediate basket area; all signs of a silly bitch!

2. Most players are gone after this year.

     I mean, Jeffries is gone, Hughes is gone, Nate is gone (face it), Lee is probably gone, Duhon is probably gone. The list goes on and on. For this reason, I think it would be a little silly on MY part to prevent these guys from being eligible for the "Knicks Leader" position, which is akin to "Best post-2000 Eddie Murphy Movie."

3. Most of the Knicks don't play defese. At all.

     I mean, some of them play a FORM of defense: Larry Hughes steals the ball, Chris Duhon tries sometimes, Wilson Chandler pretends to guard the best wing player on their team, David Lee looks like he's doing a hell of a job on-the-ball when he's guarding the post (but this is just because every other player is so much bigger than he is that it looks like he's a workhorse). Al Harrington tries pretty hard, but he's not actually very good laterally and can't hang with most wing players. He shows up successfully on defense about one in every five games.

The only true motherfuckers who play defense on the Knicks are: Jared Jeffries, Danilo Gallinari and Toney Douglas. That's the list.

 

Those of you who saw last nights game know what's about to be written. You may not like it, you may not understand it fully, you may not believe it. But it's fucking true and you have to deal with it.

Jared Scott Carter Jeffries is the leader of the New York Knicks.

Yes, our season is fucked. Yes, the world has been turned inside-out. No, I don't like this. Yes, this is the first time in NBA history that a franchise is going to have to swindle another team to pawn off the team leader at the trade deadline. But he's all we have. Guys, give me your thoughts on this. We should all be here for each other in support, akin  to AA.

Jared, with great power comes great responsibility. Take us to the promised land.

Poll
Who is our team leader?
Jared Jeffries
1 votes
David Lee
4 votes
Al Harrington
4 votes
Mike D'Antoni (supplementing someone else)
6 votes
JJ Reddick
4 votes
Ronald McDonald
1 votes
Razor Ramone
2 votes
Frank & Joe Hardy
0 votes
"Avatar," debuting December 18th in theaters
5 votes
Danny Tamborelli
1 votes
Summer Sanders
4 votes
Ghostface Killah
7 votes
Ranger Rick
0 votes
Jack Shepherd
3 votes
John Locke
4 votes
Louis XIV
1 votes
Stephen King
1 votes
Martin Lawrence
1 votes
Freddy Mercury
6 votes

55 votes | Poll has closed

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jeffries was the difference in the charlotte game

and had he not been in foul trouble we probably would have pulled out the W. But he’s not the team leader, he is a billboard, an advertisement. The first decent trade that comes along involving JJ, he’s out of here in hopes of improving our chances of finding a real leader over the summer. D’antoni is the face of the team while we look to improve during the season. If Gallo or Chandler step up, terrific. If not, then we ride it out, but I like the direction the knicks are headed.

by Ray Smuckles on Dec 16, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

so basically, Jared Jefferies is sacrificing himself for the good of the team

thats pretty leaderish right there.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 16, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

That's what I mean.

Besides Gallinari, he’s the only one showing he gives a shit.
And by “gives a shit,” I’m including both sides of court, not just offense.
You know how crazy it is that a black guy NOT named “Derek Fisher” is leading the lead in charges taken?

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Dec 16, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont know man

By that logic, nate sacrificing playing time for the good of the team is also being a leader.

And you could argue that Nate has no choice whether he sits or not, but Jeffries really has no choice to whether he hustles or not, because it’s the only way he plays, on any team. Maybe I’m just arguing for the sake of arguing, but JJ is trade bait, and when he has a bad game people are calling for his head and wondering why the hell he is out there. For a leader-type, i just don’t think he’s consistent enough or has the support from fans or players who know he probably won’t be around long. He was the closest thing we had to one last night, but that won’t last. Some teams are leaderless, which is what this article’s about i suppose.

Much respect to you guys if you disagree though

by Ray Smuckles on Dec 16, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we don't REALLY think Jefferies is our leader

its more of an example of how we don’t know our identity yet.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

more to the point perhaps

jeffries is being sacrificed by the fans for the hope of a good team.

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by stingy d on Dec 16, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted for Razor Ramone

because he is awesome. and because I about hit the floor once i read Ronald McDonald’s name.

Straight up, this post is fucking awesome. It right on with the leader of teams too.

Except…well…Detroit 2002 when they beat the Lakers (who had Kobe, Shaq, The Mailman & the Glove). Who was Detroit’s team leader?
Chauncey Billups? Rip Hamilton? Rasheed Wallace? Ben Wallace? Tayshaun Prince (Jared Jefferies’ switched-at-birth-brother)

Yeah…I’m a douche. I know. Dont let it detract from such a great post.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 16, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to mention Detroit, but I guess I forgot.

It was 2004 you’re thinking of when they beat the Lakers, by the way.

It had to be Chauncey Billups. The only other case you could make was Rasheed Wallace because he came in halfway through that season, but he’s much more a second-banana (a great one, for about 10 years). In FreeDarko’s book, they outlined that one of the major reasons the turn-of-the-century Blazers didn’t win is because they had 2 great second bananas (Sheed and Pippen), and no one who was willing to take charge. Same shit with the Early 00’s Kings teams, because Chris Webber never developed into a Leader.

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Dec 16, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Touche

Id say Billups too. But that team is generally described as the opposite of LA. LA had the leaders, Detroit just played as a total team. No all-stars on that team either i believe.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 16, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

chauncey billups without a doubt

everything that happened on that squad was because of him. he knew when and where everyone needed to get their touches, and he set the tone with his play and vocally.

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by stingy d on Dec 16, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

it's funny that you bring up Prince

because he was at UK while Jeffries was at IU, and everyone seemed to think JJ had a much higher ceiling. it boggles my mind that Prince turned into such a solid pro yet Jeffries has been nothing more than a role player for his entire career.

they’re basically the same guy from a size/athleticism standpoint.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Dec 19, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

didnt Jefferies come out after his Sophmore year?

Prince didn’t come out early. Those extra years polishing in the NCAAs really do help. I also think Kentucky had a much better quad than Indiana for those years. Prince was far more NBA ready.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 20, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i love this blog

where i can vote for summer sanders and NOT be the first person that did so.

by jayvb on Dec 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i've never rec'd something

because i’m nt sure what rec means… is it the obvious? does it mean…. (dun-dun-dunnnnnnn!!) recommend?

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by stingy d on Dec 16, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

respect due mane

this is that real real real real real right here bwoy.

the only thing i don’t agree with is that i think al harrington and chris duhon are going to be here next season IF gallinari doesn’t take the reins as the season draws closer to a close.

and i think jeffries sticks with us too.

but for real, we got the god damn new york silly bitcherbockers.

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by stingy d on Dec 16, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

ps

i voted for jared

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by stingy d on Dec 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd.

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

it's like that inspectah deck song

rec rec rec rec rec rec rec rec rec rec!

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by stingy d on Dec 18, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Glad to see I can help Ghostface

tie Freddy Mercury.

The fuck is that? Before I vote Ghost, Mercury is the leader of the team?

And where is the Darko option?

Darko + Nate on the bench, the Knicks at least aren’t losing by 20 every game….

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

A big statue of Freddy Mercury

Right at center court would probably give the Knicks an advantage.

by fuhry on Dec 17, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

people hate stan van gundy?

i wasnt aware of this. i like him. he’s not jeff, but i like him.

whats wrong with stan?

by jayvb on Dec 17, 2009 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

he's fat

and he’s holding Ewing hostage.

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

im a jets fan

so i have nothing against fat coaches.

and he always says how someone should hire ewing as a head coach and that he’s very lucky other teams are too stupid to do that. wouldn’t really call that hostage.

he’s probaby one of my favorite current coaches. i’d certainly rather have him than MDA if all the superstars didnt love dantoni so much.

by jayvb on Dec 17, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what to say! They like me!

I hope you guys understand what I’m saying with this post.
(Hint: It’s NOT “Jared Jeffries is great and he should be kept as our franchise player forever!”)
I hope he gets traded ASAP. But with the team we are TODAY, and that we’ll be TOMORROW, he is the leader. This new “Force Turnovers” defense we’re playing is being spearheaded by JJ and Larry Hughes, but Hughes hasn’t been here as long and he still takes too many bad shots. JJ doesn’t try to do more than he can on offense, and he plays defense. It’s not his fault he has a gaudy contract (that has to be moved); if someone offered you a lot of money to work, would you turn it down because you knew you weren’t worth it?

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Dec 17, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

had to go with mercury

give me a dead gay guy leading our team any day of the week

by schmosterballs92 on Dec 18, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

you very nearly described isaiah thomas

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by stingy d on Dec 18, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No votes for Danny T, The Hardy Boys (literature, not wrestling), or Ronald McDonald!

What this tells me is:
1. Summer Sanders is the most popular person from “Figure It Out!”
2. We are a Wendy’s/Burger King – preferring people.
3. You guys don’t appreciate a decent fucking pre-teen mystery novel.

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Dec 21, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

i have a hunch

that we are all taco bell people. that didn’t read until we had to. and carefully watched summer sanders until our joints got solid.

the real question here is: did your pencil stay sharp when ahmad rashad was on the screen?

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by stingy d on Dec 21, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

If you had to taco bell dog....

Id probably have gone for that.

I think i also might have voted for Lebron James as the leader of NY. He was kinda calling the shots for a while, wasn’t he?

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 21, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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