Wojnarowski: D'Antoni Regrets Joining the Knicks
The Knicks beat the Bulls last night, but any game stories were soon eclipsed by this article from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!, via TKB. A snippet:
In the lowest of the losing, Mike D’Antoni delivered history lessons to the New York Knicks. Only the Knicks coach wasn’t pitching the past of Madison Square Garden, Red Holzman and Clyde Frazier and Willis Reed, but a self-proclaimed genius born of the desert sun. Before his players, sources say, D’Antoni had started down the don’t-you-know-who-I-am route and recited his résumé of 60-victory seasons and scoring records and revolutionary basketball.
He let it be known, too, that the non-believers among them should feel free to march into Donnie Walsh’s office and demand his dismissal. More than one Knick privately laughed that they didn’t know there was an "I" in coach.
D’Antoni can call the bluff of his boss today, but he’d better be careful tomorrow. The Knicks are a mess, and league friends of D’Antoni believe he has deep regret for passing on Chicago for New York. He let his ego and agent push him out of Phoenix, and let his desire for money over winning pass on Chicago. Make no mistake, though: That was two months ago and this is now. New York has a Garden winning streak of six games, and New York isn’t on his case for the holidays.
Wojnarowski is one of the best in the game, but my problem with his piece lies right in that last paragraph: "That was two months ago and this is now." There you go! Then why write the article now? I have no doubt that in the throes of losing, D'Antoni chewed out his players and made things personal. Nobody looks pretty at 1-8, or whatever the Knicks were in that moment. That said, the Knicks are in the midst of an 8-3 December and D'Antoni has them competing for a playoff spot. New York's doing things right, if just momentarily, for the first time in a while. Can't we be spared the forced D'Antoni-Del Negro parallels and the stale locker room horror stories for the time being?
Click through for the rest of the article and let me know what you think. There are plenty of jabs in there about the draft and then 2010, and it just doesn't seem fair. Not now. In an article that was ostensibly about the Bulls, this felt like an untimely avalanche to dump on D'Antoni and the Knicks.
Update: More reading: Leitch's take.
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I still regret signing him as coach
I wanted Mark Jackson or Avery Johnson.
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\Word! I wanted Avery of Mark on the sidelines. Can’t go wrong with neither. With Johnson, you got a former Coach Of The Year, a great communicator & somebody who can walk in the locker room & demand respect from the players. Jackson can do it too, add that up with his NBA experience, basketball IQ ( I personally enjoy listening to him comentate games. It tells me, he’s ready to be a coach, if not now, but in the near future), his history with the Knicks & being a NY guy, he’ll be abkle to handle the media & fans.
The Knicks never want to look like they’re rebuilding, but in reality, we are. Shit ain’t been the same since Ewing left for Seattle. D’Antoni is NOT a fit for the Knicks! And the fact is Dolan is too scared to roll the dice & take a chance at making a move to make the team better…
I'm no fan of James Dolan
but he is been rolling the dice plenty. Dolan is rolling the dice by allowing Walsh and D’Antoni to craft a 2-year plan of dumping salary for just a CHANCE at a top FA. The Knicks are NOT trying to in a championship this year. They have been among the highest payrolls for years and they are NOT trying to win until next year. You tell me another New York team who can get away with NOT putting out a team looking to win a title every year. THAT is balls. And the Knicks are a staple of the NBA. Dolan is allowing Walsh to stick to his plan. Thats not easy here, especially with having a losing record almost all decade.
Also, his name was never thrown around for coaching, but if you want respect, basketball IQ and hoops experience, I’ll take Kenny Smith over both Johnson and Jackson. My brother secretly wished for that and it would have been a wild move.
But D’Antoni is also a wild move. NY is historically a defense-minded team. Now you throw big money at a coach who is primarily known for his high powered Offense, and who has yet to make it to the NBA Finals?!
Think what you want, but its foolish to say Dolan doesn’t roll the dice and take chances. He spins that shit like a dreidel.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 25, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
You could have had Vinny del Novice instead.
I still regret signing him [D’Antoni] as coach
Want to trade coaches (using the term loosely in VDN’s case).\?
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 25, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
fuck Mark Jackson.
Nobody knows hoe good a coach he will be. With the Knicks in the state that they are, I wouldn’t have turned over the keys to a rookie coach either. Signing D’Antoni was a good move. He is a knowledgeable coach, but he really does have the characteristics of an egomaniac. He ha a very pompous expression on his face a lot too, especially when answering questions about things he doesn’t like. I’m not a fan of this. Its frustrating when it feels like he is intent on proving to everyone he is the smartest in the room. By now, wen Nate make it into a game, its going to be a huge deal no matter what happens. People will cheer, and questions will be asked from every angle an D’Antoni will hate having to answer to them. This is New York though. We don’t let things slide and we don’t let vague answer be the end all. We want our details and if Mike D’Antoni can’t give us those, he will only make his job harder and focus will be lost.
Joe Girardi is a good example of this… his first year as a coach, he was very quit and unhelpful to the press and they just dug, dug, dug, and it seemed to get to him. This year he opened up much more and you could see he had an easier time and the press rewarded him. Chewing your gum and saying “I like Nate, I think he’s a great guy” behind a smirk and keeping him on the bench, even when your team has no legs and their leads evaporate isn’t hold for long.
Someone said it before on here… there is a trend forming with how we treat our players. And its not so conducive to bringing in a big star this summer.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions
Yo dude
we, like, said the same stuff at almost the same time. Cosmic.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I got it first. Dibs. Haha!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is troublesome
Leitch is most likely right. D’Antoni is probably the Knicks’ best asset (save Gallo) and, at the time, was the only one on the team who rightfully could’ve had a “do you know who I am?” moment. I’m interpreting it as an ego trip, but more of a “you guys are playing like cocky assholes and not doing what I’m saying. I have something to be cocky about, not any of you losers, so maybe you should do what I fucking tell you.” In the heat of a painful losing streak in a must win season, do whatever works to light the fie I guess.
That said, this underscores a lot of D’Antoni’s more unsavory qualities, his ego, stubbornness, selfishness and car-salesman-like fakeness (especially when addressing the media). That shit doesn’t really fly in NY, espciallially without results. Look no further than Eric Mangini, a guy with whom Coach Dant shares a few traits. Unwavering confidence in a system that has only proved to work with top-notch players, unequivocal disgust for the New York media, an heir of smug self-satisfaction. Blech.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 23, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
*not interpreting
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 23, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks Adrian
start shit now that the Knicks are winning.
What a fool. Make a column that if another idiot reads it..will only see the top and jump to conclusions.
I’ve ‘hated’ the Bulls ever since they had better luck in the Derrick Rose draft. Well…I’ve hated the Bulls since IT decided to send them every draft pick in the 2000s for Eddy Curry and Mal Crawford.
I hope the Bulls ROT under Reisdorf’s watch…just for you Adrian.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
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Although it is most definitely important, I fee like people are putting too much emphasis on "Players wanting to come here."
If you are very good at basketball and come to New York City, you are going to be showered with money. LeBron, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, it doesn’t matter.
Someone is going to come(!).
And fuck the Chicago Bulls.
"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."
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by solanumbrella on Dec 23, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
that is very true. But you also better be ready for the pressure here too.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Woj
is a Chicago guy. Sour grapes. They got a crappy coach. But the article is also deeply insulting to the Knicks players. Chicago’s players are so much better that D’antoni would have such easier success? Bullshit. The Knicks have an unconventional roster, but they have guys like Lee and Gallo and Duhon that at least seem to have an idea of how to develop chemistry with their teammates. And they have guys that value defense (Gallo, Chandler, Hughes, Douglas). It seems to have taken some time to figure it out, but I think D’antoni is not regretting coming to NY right now. I think Woj is regretting that Chicago didn’t offer D’antoni enough money. Because he ABSOLUTELY is and asset in attracting LeBron or Wade. And I wonder what D’antoni would have thought about the Bulls deciding not to re-sign Ben Gordon.
Walsh may have erred by taking Hill in this draft. But I think the Bulls management in the past two seasons is just as incompetent.
Woj has knowledge and connections in the NBA, but he’s clearly anti-Knick and pro-Chicago and bitter about it.
I think Chicago may have some more interesting pieces to D'Antoni's SOL
Rose is his PG, Salmons supposedly can shoot. Hinrich is a very serviceable player. Tyrus Thomas could fit in very well too, plus he can be a solid defender. With D’Antoni in Chicago, I wouldn’t think twice that Dwyane Wade wouldn’t come home instantly.
I think D’Antoni jumped at the money and challenge of NY. His ego told him he could be the coach who “Saved NY Basketball” and “Brought LeBron James to the Big Apple”.
Chicago would have been an easier job IMO. D’Antoni took the harder challenge because ultimately it could mean more fame.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I also meant to point out
that he jumped the gun. Had he waited until the lottery order was determined, you bet your ass he would be in Chicago.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
AW stands for
Ass Wipe..for this article.
I usually enjoy AW’s pieces, but like everyone on the comment board mentioned, it was unfair and he just took cheap shots at Walsh. Look, he missed on Jennings, but so did other teams.
Also, if you’re going to mention Walsh’s “mistakes”, point out that the Bulls LUCKED OUT on Rose at least a couple days AFTER D’Antoni signed (also Bulls were set for the 9th pick that year, how was D’Antoni supposed to know the Bulls were going to win the lottery) AND the Bulls have had their own GM issues (paying big bucks to Deng, letting Gordon go).
Is there regret that he couldn’t have lucked into Rose? Who cares. He was making his choice between two teams, neither of which had that great of a roster, and he picked the one with a GM who’s been known to be one of the most professional in the biz and the city that has embraced him. So suck it AW.
agreed
and is rose really a pg that dantoni gets a hard on over coaching? if anyone really thinks dantoni would rather be coaching the bulls because of rose then you should not be getting paid to talk about basketball.
by nba refs: man up on Dec 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Rose is overrated. He shouldn’t have won Rookie of the Year, and he doesn’t help the Bulls win. His PER is the same as Mario Chalmers’, and Chalmers was a second rounder. The best player on the Bulls this year is Tyrus Thomas.
Hate Rose because he plays for Chiacgo
but don’t try to convince anyone that he isn’t a terrific player. He will be a star for a long time.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
but he isnt a dantoni pg
which woj is trying to add to his argument of why dantoni regrets not going to chicago
by nba refs: man up on Dec 23, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Rose is promising.
He can drive to the hoop and control a game. He can take it over. But he DOES have good vision too. He can get you the rock if you are open. Trouble is, Chicago rid itself of its best shooter in Gordon. Would YOU be confident in Salmons hoisting 3s? Me neither. Rose is a big PG too and he can defend. Any coach would want him.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 23, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is this the same Rose on the Bulls?
Would YOU be confident in Salmons hoisting 3s?
Both Salmons and Hinrich have been in shooting slumps.
But he DOES have good vision too.
So far not in the Magic Johnson, John Stockton or Chris Paul class.
Rose is a big PG too and he can defend.
Rose has been very poor at preventing penetration and pick-and-roll defense.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 23, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hall of Famers already?
Rose is in his SECOND year. Chris Paul isn’t in the Stockton, Magic class yet either. He’s quite good, sure, but its far early to make Hall of Fame comparisons yet.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 24, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
How much better of a situation is Chicago in right now? Yeah they went to the playoffs last year but they’re offensively impotent right now and they didn’t resign their best player and let him go to a division rival.
I’ve always though D’Antoni was kind of a prick but I don’t really care as long as he’s a prick who wins. Can anyone say Phil Jackson?
phil jackson
is only going to want to come to ny after we have big names and we’re championship contenders. he picks his teams, like the lakers who would have won if whoopi goldberg was coaching. can anyone say van gundy?
by nba refs: man up on Dec 23, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
jeff van gundy would be SO AWESOME. He didn’t want an interview when walsh came in, but once we sign some talent we should give him a call.
I like seeing Van Gundy with normal colors under his eyes
Lets not ruin that for him again.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 24, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
F this guy
That’s really the only thing I could think the whole time I was reading this garbage. The Knicks are on the upswing for the first time in years. He literally called the Knicks “a mess”. Truth be told, he probably did write this shit months ago and decided to run it with some minor changes to be lazy. Give me a break.
by JohnnyMac-BigLeagueScrew on Dec 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions
fuck him
I support dantoni, he’s got this team back on its knees we used to be flat on our face, the players love him and now their buying into his play style, I swear these writers don’t know shit they are saying sometimes, even if we don’t get a big free agent next year we will have a young player in gallo and hopefully we get hill to develop strength so he can put lee back at pf, wanjoranski or wateva the fuck his name is is a piece of shit just upset kuz NY got that paper and we make it rain lol man money talks so he came to ny but we also have one of the deepest histories in the u.s if not the deepest
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
Is this the same guy the writes for the record (NJ)?
I know there’s someone that writes for the record with some ridiculous W name like that. Is it the same guy?
Enough with the jennings stuff
10 other teams screwed up too. The only team that was justified in not picking jennings was the kings. Atleast 9 of the first 11 screwed up (We don’t know about blake griffin yet)
It's more than just this month
He’s always been a statistically poor shooter. He just happened to start this year with a bang. No doubt in my mind he’ll be fine but it’s way too early to call it such a blunder. IMO Evans is the only real sweet pick of the draft so far. Superstar for sure.
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this guy is an idiot
Dantoni never expected to come and be a truly contending team until 2010. Donnie Walsh made it very clear that everything was going towards that summer so i can guarantee you dantoni is not disappointed (especially since the bulls have gone no where and their future looks much worse.) There are countless more flaws with woj’s argument but the simple fact that its no secret that all of our efforts have been going towards 2010 makes it unbelievable that dantoni is all of a sudden regretting his decision to come here half a season before the plan comes too fruition.
by nba refs: man up on Dec 23, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions
yeh fuck him...he is kinda right though
I h8 the bulls. Mostly cuz my brother can’t get Jordan’s cock outta his mouth and it’s been at least a decade since he retired. It also sounds like Adrian Worchorjowhorwskihas got alot of h8 in him too…for Dantoni, maybe even for the Knicks.
But the dude is right…Our head coach is a douche, He’s our douche for the moment but a douche no less.
Does that mean we should call for his job or demand explanation apology, or response based on this article? Nope.
Say what you want about pringles he’s a decent coach….not great, decent. Certainly much better than the last few we’ve had. I expected him to be a douche from go tho, and was confirmed when he obscenely cursed the crowd out in what I think I remember was his very first home opener at MSG, when the crowd chanted for Marbury.
Whatevs…Marbury is gone, as he should be, might not have been handled great, but still you don’t take it out on fans who payed hard earned money to come see their favorite team under perform.
Pringles is an ass but he’ll figure out how to get us to win some games if only because he’s afraid of his “legacy” being tarnished. We made our bed now we gotta lay in it and ride out with the dude at least until 2011 after we’re suppose to get these “stars” if only for him to prove he’s as good as advertised.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Oh...and even tho Pringles is a prick
and I entirely believe that whole locker room speech cuz it just sounds like Dantoni, I don’t buy the fact that he regrets taking the Knicks over Chicago….that has got to be bullshit, even if we lossed to them a second time, they really are not more talented than us at all.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 23, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
this article
literally makes no sense. Woj is making like 5 different conflicting points – D’Antoni is happy with the Knicks, D’Antoni is a money-grubbing megalomaniac, VDN can’t coach, D’Antoni regrets not joining the Bulls, the Bulls regret not getting D’Antoni – it makes no sense at all.
i don't think Woj is doing anything more
than pointing out the obvious.
would D’Antoni have been in a better situation to succeed right away in Chicago? i don’t think there’s any question about that. but, what’s done is done. he’s here now and this team is starting to show signs of life.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Dec 24, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions
Definitely
It just seems a little odd for a talented, well-connected reported to point out the obvious months after the fact.
Nasty Bias
VERY perceptive that most of you realized this article has an inordinate Chicago slant so it SHOULD be taken with a grain of salt. Those last 3 paragraphs just spew hate that makes my stomach churn. Just terrible Adrian.
D’Antoni IN A VACUUM would have preferred to be in Chicago, but that wasn’t the case then or now. It’s well known in the league that working under Jerry Reinsdorf is very far from ideal. At the very least, he is well-known for being frugal but militant. Think D’Antoni was looking forward to fighting for a contract and then having to pray he could have any input on personnel? Of course not! That’s why he had bolted out of Phoenix and wasn’t about to go to a team that hadn’t gotten lucky winning the lottery run by a dictator!
Sure his friends see how difficult it’s been for Mike since he’s come to New York so it’s natural to ponder “if I only would have…”
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