Tracy McGrady?
by NYERinSF on Dec 30, 2009 12:45 AM EST
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PrintAccording to the NY Times, the Rockets have put McGrady on leave, and are trying to trade him, and the Knicks might be interested.
McGrady has played small forward and shooting guard, but with the Knicks lineup, I think he would come in at guard. He is an experienced and talented player, but there are some serious questions.
- Is he healthy? Last year he only played in 35 games because of knee problems. He had microfracture surgery in February, and has played sparingly since, less than 8 minutes a game. Would he be able to play 20 to 30 minutes a game, or would that reinjure him?
- What would his arrival do to the development of the youngsters? Particularly Gallo and Douglas?
- What would the Knicks have to give up? The Rockets don't want any of the long contracts like Curry or Jefries, and the article mentions that the Knicks might have to package Hill. I think that would be a mistake. But what about Nate? If he isn't going to play for the Knicks anyway, why not? I would almost say that the Knicks should only do it if they get him close to free. A 2nd or 3rd round pick, maybe Darko..
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3rd round picks?
are they expanding the draft and i didnt get the memo?
that being said i think he could definitely help, and dont forget this is the kind of situation that is why we kept cuttino mobley’s contract on the 15 man roster, he could eat up a chunk of the mcgrady contract to make the numbers of a deal work. nate, mobley’s contract and darko for tmac? id do it, and i think it would benefit both teams without effecting eithers 2010 plans at all. that being said they may get better offers than something like that, but swapping benched talent seems pretty good
I love this trade
The Rockets have to be crazy if they think they are going to get good value for T-Mac. There are too many question marks on his ability anymore and he is injury prone. It’s a big risk for any respectable team to give up talent for…in come our beloved NYK!
Give the rockets Nate + an expiring contract. If the Knicks can’t unload one of our expiring contracts to give some more cap relief then this deal does not happen. The Knicks are desperate for more space and I don’t think they are going to take their chances on T-Mac without accomplishing that.
see, the Knicks want to KEEP their expirings
thats where our “space” comes from!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
The thing is
If he can still play, we probably couldn’t afford to keep him next year. If he is no longer effective, then they’ve given up something for him and given themselves a headache. If healthy, I think McGrady’s intriguing and I think he can play defense if he wants to. Any trade for McGrady would have to include the following components:
1. Jeffries and/or Curry. I’m not doing this trade unless it frees up room next year.
2. I wouldn’t include Gallinari (of course), Chandler, or Jordan Hill. Chandler’s been valuable to them and Hill still has a bunch of potential, and I just don’t see giving up those guys for a rental. Maaaaybe if Curry was included to really free up a lot of space I might include Hill. It might be worth it – they may need to free up some space just to keep Lee if they sign LeBron or Wade.
Harrington? Hm. I might include him if they took Jeffries too. I think it would hurt them this year but if it got them more caps space it would be worth it.
I’d offer them Nate/Darko/Jeffries and let that sit for a while. I really don’t know if Houston will get a better offer than that.
Also, some commenter on theknicksblog posted this idea:
Chicago Bulls get Al Harrington and Nate Robinson
Houston Rockets get Brad Miller and Jared Jeffries
New York Knicks get Tracy McGrady
This way, the Rockets get a temporary rental of Brad Miller, a guy they could probably use. If the Bulls are looking for an offensive jumpstart, Harrington and Robinson fit the bill….. but again, I think it hurts the Knicks’ playoff chances unless McGrady can actually play like McGrady.
Only if they get rid of Curry.
And if they have to include anyone with Curry…they aren’t important (like Darko…)
I said it a few weeks ago
But since they are now definitely going to trade McGrady, I think this might be fair:
Knicks Get: McGrady and Brian Cook
Rockets Get: Eddy Curry, Cuttino Mobley, and Nate Robinson
Both McGrady and Cook are expiring deals. Mobley and Robinson are also both expiring deals and the Rockets get a center entering his prime in case Yao doesn’t come back from his foot injury. Worse case, they buy out Curry.
by scotty2129 on Dec 30, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha, "a center entering his prime"
I like that selling point for Eddy Curry.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
Well, shit makes fertilizer right? All I’m saying is that he is young, finally in good shape and hasn’t played as much, so his body isn’t taking abuse. Let him be someone else’s headache. No real downside for the Rockets, they still get the cap space they want and worse case, they cut Curry a check, not the Knicks.
by scotty2129 on Dec 30, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you just made Eddy's day
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I knew this would happen
Tracy McGrady is name recognition only. He is no longer the Tracy McGrady all-star that he was. Every year he says hes healthy and it doesn’’t last even a few months. Knee, back, the two worst places for injuries. He also has that Steve Francis-aura. Whatever team he plays for is doomed. They don’t win in the playoffs if they even make it. I have had enough of those guys, personally.
That said, my only issue with bringing McGrady to NY is if we move Harrington and either Curry or Jefferies in the trade. I also don’t think it’s worth giving up Gallinari (I know they wont) or Hill or even Chandler. We would only be renting McGrady for the rest of this year anyways, so why give up our future core?
So that’s a lot of “ifs” and while Houston can probably do better than Al Harrington, they may just take him and jefferies. Harrington expires so it helps them (though not as much as just letting T-Mac expire. But for us…McGrady doesn’t help us but crowd the SF position and stifle Gallinari/Chandlers growth. McGrady needs a lot of ball touches (pause) and we really don’t need a “2nd Al Harrington” on this team.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree, but I think they can get better value for Harrington towards the deadline
for other pieces. And even if they don’t and let him expire, I think he is someone that wants to stay in New York, will sign a reasonable contract to stay here and will come off the bench in the next seasons. While he is a black hole on offense and watching him is (usually) dreadful, he does have a rare set of skills where he can play defense against any position and isn’t afraid to score.
don't fall into the T-Mac Trap
“rare set of skills”. Yeah, he’s quite a good player. But his body is just broken and he wants it to be fixed and ends up going out of hi way to show his health and it ends up fucking up the team and soon after, himself. Of course McGrady would sign a contract in NY. He’ll sign anywhere. Question is…should New York want him? I submit “we do not”.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was talking about Harrington after the season, not McGrady.
I don’t really care where McGrady goes after the season.
Unless he plays a Grant Hill-type role and signs a Grant Hill-type contract..
That would of course mean staying healthy for more than 20 consecutive games, which Hill has somehow was able to do despite 4-5 surgeries on his foot.
I'd say the same about Harrington
he would sign a contract in a second with NY. But do we want to have him? I say pass. He’s a decent guy, good player, but not a very good shooter, and I feel like he requires too much attention during the game to be effective. Though, i would be ok to have him in a minor bench role.
Grant Hill’s had success because he has always been an awesome teammate and an all-around player. I just don’t think Harrington or McGrady are as intelligent as Hill. I also think their egos are far bigger than Hill’s too.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, that's why I said a bench player
D’Antoni doesn’t seem to like to have a deep bench, but he might be able to make it into a 8 man rotation, with Harrington put it in situations or in for a struggling offense.
And I also agree with your assessment of Hill vs Harrington and McGrady; with that said, if they somehow would be able to keep their egos in check and play smart, there’s no reason they cannot play as the ideal role player.
It would give your team pretty solid depth to have Tracy Mcgrady coming in
off the bench, huh. I’d still be taking bets to see how long it would last, lol.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I know, but there is a videogame-like fun having them on your bench
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
i was talking about the teams Tracy McGrady plays for
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
sure, it would be a big deal
Just as the Knicks getting tothe playoffs without McGrady
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no way they’re going to take either Jeffries or Curry so all this seems moot. That should be our only objective in terms of trades.
Curry
Why would anyone want him? The only reason to take Curry would be if you got a valuable player with him, or you were unloading a bigger, longer term contract, which the Knicks wouldn’t want.
They may want Jeffires...
He has been playing well lately, and he’s tall..unlike most of the Rockets nowadays minus the Great Wall.
Then again…Jeffries has been helping the Knicks right now, I dunno if I’d trade him for McGrady?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 30, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn't be trading him for McGrady
it would be trading him for extra money to put towards Free Agency this summer. If houston shows even the least bit of interest in him, do it, do it, do it. Don’t let them hang up the phone.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 30, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Truth.
The Knicks have no need to swap expiring contracts, so they’ll only make a trade if Curry or Jefferies are involved. Nobody wants Curry, most do not want Jefferies. The Rockets particularly don’t want either.
Tracy McGrady is the highest paid player in the whole league and is expiring at years end. That’s a HUGE asset. To trade him, they would demand an impact player ready to contribute, or at the very least a player with a lot of upside. That means Gallo, Chandler or Jordan Hill. If nobody is willing to part with those guys, then we can forget about getting rid of Jefferies or Curry.
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
preach brother preach
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
As I think about this
One thing that occurs to me is that last year, just as the Knicks were starting to get some traction, wholesale roster changes totally torpedoed the team.
Given one of the best Decembers in years, why would you want to break up this team?
I agree don’t mess up the chemistry now. I know this sounds crazy but on another site someone suggested working with Curry in practice. You have Lee for rebounding and Gallo for outside shooting. We have one year to actually try the Curry experiment. He’s a big that takes up space and can draw fouls. Make him a situational player, the Knicks are no longer SSOL. I know to much money but what if we can win with this roster all we will need is one go to player.
dantoni doesn't do player developement
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
he pretty much said he doesn't do player development
I don’t know the exact words but it was something along the lines of, he is trying to win games and doesn’t have time to work on development being as he’s only working with the guys who are ready to play now.
I take that to mean anyone not in the rotation has to figure it out themselves.
Don’t know if it makes a difference but it was in response to something said about getting TD and Hill more minutes and how Walsh commented on wanting to see them get a chance to be able to “see what they have with those guys”.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I just get the feeling they will play more as the season goes on.
I’m thinking Pringles really feels that the guys that are playing now are the best that give them the chance at a playoff spot, far fetched or not..that’s how it is.
They gave Hill some time early on didn’t they? If he really was ready to go on there and earn minutes…he probably would stay out there?
Tony Douglas time now doesn’t he?
But as the season goes..I just think that Hill and TD will get more time. At least I hope so.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 31, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
I think the season started so badly that he had to take a pretty drastic action.
I am not a fan of the tight rotation – and I hope that he works in more players as the season progresses
I also do think it's true though
That he’s more likely to develop a guy that’s 6’8" or over and can shoot from the outside, because that’s the kind of player he likes. He’ll play other types of players but he’s going to have a shorter leash.
I could see there being some truth to that
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is a spot for Curry
But D’Antoni seems intent on not using Eddy and Nate. Won’t matter how they play in practice, or how poorly the Knicks play in a game, D’Antoni has made his decision.
It’s kinda like how Steven Colbert described “Dubya” a few years back: “He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday.”
I also think we need more than 1 person to handle rebounding. Lee has been terrific down low, but he absolutely needs help.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 31, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
it may have been a good December, but we finished 9-6
that shouldn’t make anyone feel like we are nearly good enough to “stand pat” with what we have now. It just underscores how bad we have been since 2003.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 31, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
dude we're on the same wavelength
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
9-6 is 60% win
Play an entire season like that and you have 49 wins – maybe not division champs, but playoffs for sure
49 wins isnt the goal.
if your lineup has Gasol, Bryant, Bynum, Artest in it, or Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo, Perkins or Duncan, Parker, Jefferson, Ginobili, or Nowitski, Kidd, Marion, Howard, Terry then yeah, you need not break up that team.
We have Al Harrington, Jared Jefferies, Larry Hughes and Chris Duhon in our lineup.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 31, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think 9-6 overall is bad
but 12-20 is. People have been going crazy over the last couple of win streaks including myself but there is a bigger picture and we shouldn’t think all is good now. Even if 12-20 is good enough for 8th in the east we shouldn’t settle for that .12-20 is still under .500 which translates to losing basketball.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
What is the goal?
There is no way – no amount of tinkering, that is going to lead the Knicks to a Championship this year -
2 goals for this year – try to set a base that can be built on and clear cap space so that they can get the missing pieces next year
Anything that does not contribute to at least one of those two goals is not worth doing
I agree with not messing with chemistry
But if we are able to trade a Curry who doesn’t get time and has a huge non expiring and throw in a sweetener like N8 plus the Mobley exception it could work. not only do the numbers add up but both Curry and N8 are out the rotation so Dantoni could be given more leeway to slowly reorder the rotation by giving McGrady a few mins at a time without having to shake things up too much or take away minutes from too many guys at first.
Should Tracy McGrady start playing like T Mac does hughes really need 30 mins a game???
Regardless not too many teams would start McGrady at this point so no matter what I think he’ have to work his way up from the bench at first.
At worse he reinjures himself or under performs and he’ll just occupy Curry or Nate’s old seat
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was totally against it b4
I thought he’d probably take minutes from Gallo at the 3 or N8 at the 2 but if coach has no intention of playing N8 again then we might well do it and clear some cap in the process.
If McGrady is healthy he can get some spin at the 2 which our only legitimate option at that spot is larry hughes.
Houston may even pull the trigger if we offered N8 in the deal and at worst McGrady is not 100% and he can dust off Nate’s old spot on the bench.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions
the only way
houston has made it known they will not take on any extra contracts. they are in the running for 2010 as well..
so to make this happen we would have to deal harrington + hughes… they add to 23 mill, which is tmacs contract…. im not sure if thats worth it.
for the knicks, we could find another team willing to enter the deal and then be able to shed jeffries or curry, hopefully curry bcuz i like jeffries Defense he brings.
i also doubt houston buys out tmac, hes at home and the rockets are playing well.. they arent that pressed to get him off the team ….yet.
srry I'm having technical diffuculties with the posting aspect....the toasting is fine
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 31, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions
What is Tracy McGrady's value?
I’m hearing a bunch of rumors about what the rockets “could” fetch for T-Mac.
Most from multiple sources, not just one asshole’s blog.
-The latest being T-Mac to Chicago for Joakim Noah and a few expirings.
-McGrady to Philadelphia for Andre Iquodala
-McGrady to Washington for Caron Butler, and either Randy Foye/Mike Miller.
Am I alone in thinking that Tracy McGrady has very little value?! Yeah his expiring contract is big, but other than that why would teams give up guys like Noah, Iggy, or Butler for him?! He is not nearly the star he was a few years ago, right?! Outside of his contract, what would he do for any team? He’s continuously hurt!!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions
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