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The Knicks missed out on grabbing Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio last night, but don't get too worked up. Depending on who you ask, pretty much everybody else in this draft class is up for grabs. I've seen many of the other lottery prospects slotted as high as top-five and as low as double-digits. As teams make their needs known, certain guys will likely be sifted to the top of the lottery. For the time being, though, everyone's fair game. So let's take a look at the cast of characters, shall we? I'm of the opinion that the Knicks need one of the following three player types: 1. A play-making point guard, 2. A leading scorer or 3. A defensive-minded center. What follows is a list of candidates (in my eyes) for each of these spots.

Play-makers

Brandon Jennings- Lottomatica Roma- Quick, crafty, and athletic, but largely unproven. +1 for confidence.

Jonny Flynn- Syracuse- Speedy little dude who's been compared to Earl Watson. Not sure if that warrants a top-8 pick.

Ty Lawson- UNC- Small, but still kills people with speed and strength. Can already pass and shoot like an NBA player.

Patrick Mills- St. Mary's- Short and Australian. Pretty good, though.

Tweeners (could potentially play point guard, lead a team in scoring, or both)

Tyreke Evans- Memphis- Big combo-type who finishes brilliantly at the rim. Never seemed that sharp to me, though, and the Larry Hughes comparisons give me nightmares.

Stephen Curry- Davidson- Pure shooter with a skinny frame. People doubt his mid-major background and point guard ability, but he sure doesn't.

Eric Maynor- VCU- Another mid-major guy. More of a point guard than Curry. Can pass and defend at a high level, but people question his weird release on his jumper. No doubts about his clutchness.

Jrue Holiday- UCLA- Uber-athletic combo player who hasn't really had a chance to shine. The hype should build during the combine, when he jumps over a scout.

Jeff Teague- Wake Forest- Scoring point guard whose confidence probably makes up for a slight build. Can he facilitate at an NBA-level?

Scorers

James Harden- Arizona- One of those guys who can't run very fast or jump very high, but can flat-out ball. Potentially the highest-scoring player of this draft class on the right team. Could also be the next Eddie House. Probably not, though.

Demar Derozan- USC- High-flying swingman with developing shooting touch. Strangely Jewish-sounding last name. We may be related.

Defensive-minded big men

Hasheem Thabeet- UConn- Swats kids like every day. Could be the next Dikembe Mutombo or the next Mouhamed Sene. Either would be wonderful.

Jordan Hill- Arizona- I know next to nothing about this guy, but apparently he can score, rebound, and defend some, too. Might be more of a power forward than a center, though we are talking about the Knicks.

So them's the guys. Feel free to inform me of I've left anybody off. Profiles (like this) of each of these players should follow over the next few weeks. If any of you are inclined to write one of these profiles, make yourself heard. I'm sure you all know more about these guys than I do. It's draft season, y'all. Get psyched.

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Trade down?

Since we need aplenty, maybe we can trade down.

I’d rather have a testicle removed without anesthesia than trade with The Bulls again, but they do have two picks in this draft. So maybe we could trade #8 for their #16 and #26 and a future first. Then we could take Nick Calathes (who would be perfect for the system with his size and playmaking) or Jrue Holiday or Ty Lawson. We could also take a big dude like the skinny Austin Daye (since he’s young and inexperienced, is he Green Daye?) or the mellifluously named Alade Aminu.

And maybe we can swing a second round pick so we can take Omri Casspi to address the historical discrimination against Jews in the NBA. Yes we can!

I’ve also seen it suggested in the Memphis papers that we could swap 8 and DLee for 2. I’m dubious. Not only because I like Lee, but Rubio needs to shoot better to fit into D’Antoni’s system.

"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
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by Serious Garbage Time on May 20, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

trading down is an interesting option

they wont get a franchise player at 8, so why not

by holycowboy on May 20, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

wellll...

you did use “mellifluously” so i am inclined to agree with you. but we can’t trade lee or robinson until after the draft because of the “rules” or some sorta junk.

also i think i am opposed to having any of the above mentioned players unless they spell their names in a more better way.

Austin Daye should change his name to Austin Day, or Morris Daye. or Isaac Austin Daye.
Alade Aminu needs to be A Lady, I Mean You.
Ty Lawson – Thai Lawson, or Criminal Lawson.
Nick Calathes – Nick Clayfish, or Knick Calathes
and of course you should not be allowed to spell your name “Jrue”… he’s playin himself.

omri casspi is a jew, i’m sure he owns a watch. ya’ll know what time it is.

by stingy d on May 20, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

all that anti-jewish discrimination

i bet those league big-wigs like david stern and that nose-havin dude who announced the lottery and the second round of the draft have got it in for members of the tribe like myself and omri casspi

by Barnesgasm on May 20, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm opposed to trading down

in a weak draft, it seems better to have the best pick possible. flynn or lawson might turn out to be a player, but things get really sketchy once you get into jeff teague territory. trading up sounds better, even if lee’s part of the deal.

by latrell chokewell on May 20, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second this motion.

In a stronger draft, I’d be much more willing to trade down for a few extra picks. But this year? Nahhhh

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on May 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

sergioooooooooooooooo

LLLLLLLLLLLLULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

but seriously. i think we need to draft either tyreke evans or brandon jennings, because i like guys who slam won’t shut up about, and i always hope that those guys who are better scorers than they are point guards can actually become point guards, and my dreams are always crushed, unless i’m playing nba live 2004.

by Barnesgasm on May 20, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Ricky

So here is RRubio, who wants to go to a major city…

if LA passes on him for Griffin (which it seems like they will)… will he want to go play in Oklahoma or Memphis?

Can he back out? Can he demand them to trade him?

by gbaked on May 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Buyout

He’d be kind of foolish to sign with OKC or Memphis, right? He reportedly has a $6MM buyout with his Euro team and an NBA team can only pay $500K of it. Why should he take a financial hit to play for a team he doesn’t like?

Presumably an advertiser could pay for it, but why would they do it if he’s playing in Podunk.

"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"

by Serious Garbage Time on May 20, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will only be happy with either

Thabeet, Flynn, Maynor, Hardin, DeRozan, Jennings, or Lawson
Anyone else and I’ll be pissed.

by PSUdevon on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

In a sense Im glad the Knicks didn't get a Top 3 pick

All the guys up there, even the top 4 including Griffen, Rubio, Thabeet and Jordan Hill, I don;t like ANY OF THEM.

Griffen and Rubio can’t shoot, tho Rubio seems like a great facilitator. In Pringles offense how the hell would he work. Duhon can at least shoot. Griffen is NOT in the same mold as Duncan or C-Webb or all these other guys he’s compared too. He may be a more athletic and taller Elton Brand tho, and Brand developed his jumper nicely so who knows?

Thabeet and Jordan Hill have bust written all over them. Thabeet can block shots and is compared to Mutumbo, but Mutumbo was quick and agile, Thabeet is more like Yao than anything.

I like Jennings, Maynor, Derozan Flynn and Lawson, but I don’t want them on the Knicks

Id much rather have Jrue Holliday, who seems like of last year Jarryd Bayless

Or Tyreke Evans, who seems like Brandon Roy when Roy was a freshman at UW.

Id also like Gerald Henderson too. He seems a lot like Allan Houston to me…

Id love for the Knicks to possible trade back a bit, possibly get a 2nd rounder out of it (and bring Danny Green back to NY???) then grab Gerald Henderson.

by FreeBradshaw on May 20, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

BGriff

Is not taller than Brand. In fact, i dont think he’s much taller than 6’8" with his sneakers on.

What’s your opinion on Harden?

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on May 20, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm gonna compare

griffin to kenyone martin right now…

by stingy d on May 21, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

man i never agree with you anyway but still

gerald henderson = allan houston? oh yeah because he’s a light skinned 6’6" guy he must be allan reincarnated. come on. henderson is a slasher known for his defense, allan was a super accurate jump shooter.

and also…why would we draft henderson when we have the same exact guy in wilson chandler?

by latrell chokewell on May 20, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

could care less if you agree

but Henderson has a developed jumper that when he was allowed to use it. That he plays D and can slash to the basket is more reason

He is more like 6’4, and being light skinned has nothing to do with it. He just reminded be of a young Houston with that jumper.

Plus he’s extremely athletic too. He’s not like many Duke players to me.

Wilson Chandler is NOT ANYTHING like Henderson either.

by FreeBradshaw on May 20, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'll add

that I do NOT want Henderson with the #8 unless he really shows something to the Knicks in the coming workouts (if he even works out for them….)

If they like Henderson I think they could trade back with another team and possibly get a 2nd rounder out of it…wishful thinking I guess.

by FreeBradshaw on May 20, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

Im sure we’ll get the real height of Griffen during the combine, kinda like Beasley last season (Beasley isn’t even 6’8" either, He’s shorter than Lebron…)

I think James Harden could possibly be the next Paul Pierce at the best.

I hate comparisons to NBA vets (and unfortunately, Pierce may be a HOF too…), but Harden seems to have that same skill set. He’s slow, but somehow manages to get around people.

Like Pierce, he looks like he’s fat and out of shape, but the guy can play for hours and he took over some games at ASU.

Id like to have Harden, if he drops to the Knicks and guys like Holliday and Evans are gone, Id be happy. I just wouldn’t have a Harden if the Knicks got him.

My favorites right now are Tyreke Evans #1, Jrue Holliday #2, and Gerald Henderson 3.

I think all three are gonna shoot up the boards once they workout cuz they are all either incredibly athletic, or in the case of Evans he is just a big dude who CAN handle the rock and be a PG.

I just think Evans is the best cuz I like the way players come out of Memphis—tough, NBA ready and biggest of all for the Knicks, able to play D.

I think the Knock on Evans is his shooting, but I don’t think its all that bad.

Holliday seems like Bayless of last year too. I was kinda pissed the Knicks passed on him, and he turned out pretty good, I think Bayless is eventually gonna make a real good pair with B-Roy in that backcourt, possibly the best tandem in the league one day.

The Knicks I think would be better off pairing Evans with Duhon, rather than Holliday with Duhon…at least to me.

As for Gerald Henderson, I think the Knicks could work something out with a team just out of the lottery if he falls that far, to select Henderson while the Knicks grab someone else, like maybe Ty Lawson for another team and trade him and maybe get a 2nd rounder.

This draft is deep to me. I hate the top 4 players. In fact I like where the 3 I mention BETTER than Griffen, Thabeet and Rubio…..I don’t know why, but just these top 3 just seem like busts for such high picks.

Id love to have a second rounder. The past drafts have shown to have many gems in round 2, from Chalmers, to Powe, to Landry, to Milsap, even Mo Williams, oh….TREVOR ARIZA!!!! dammit….Id love to have a second rounder. There’s always a few players that make it from round 2, but the Knicks traded them for life….

by FreeBradshaw on May 20, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Harden's gonna score.

Buckets and buckets and buckets.

I don’t know if he’s much of a Pierce, i see him more as a Joe Johnson type of player: scores a ton, but isn’t too flashy or morbidly athletic.

Still crossing the fingers for Jennings.

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on May 20, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I don’t know what Jennings brings, but from what I hear he’s a good player.

And what about AJ Price. He’s another player who I think probably is a 2nd rounder, but of course the Knicks don’t have one.

Id love to have a second round pick this year. Even a guy like Jodie Meeks is possibly a 2nd rounder.

This is how you build depth, with second rounders. I know a lot of teams know that now and probably are reluctant to trade them, but you never know. Not having one to me is bad…

by FreeBradshaw on May 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jodie Meeks were smart,

He’d go back to college and win a championship.

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on May 20, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

my issue with evans

is that where curry and maynor are outspoken and confident, he seems sorta wishy-washy. granted, he’s 19, but still..

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by Seth on May 20, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take the most talented guy at #8

Unless you can get a #1 next year or immediate help (some combination of good player / cap relief) there’s no sense in getting rid of a chance of having a top 10 young guy.

It’s not a great draft, but most likely there won’t be much to complain about with Curry, or Evans, or Jennings.

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by DiscipleofClyde Dan on May 20, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen, Amen.

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by Thelonious Dunk on May 20, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft....

We have needs at the point, center and shooting guard. Q is on his last legs so we really cannot depend on him in the long run. To trade David Lee would be insane considering the man wants to stay and has been consistent with his game. Nate has some growing to do considering that D’antoni has begged him to become the point guard the entire season. If we pursue anyone in the draft it should be Ty Lawson. He has the speed like Nate but can truly be the point leader that D’antoni needs to run the team and be a lot more consistent than Duhon. Plus he can shoot and blow by most of the guards in the league. Jeff Teague would be another consideration as he has height with the possibility of becoming Chauncey Billups with guidence under D’antoni. Besides he can bulk up anytime. After Thabeet and Griffin there are no real big men to use a #8 pick on so we look at free agency. I like Jeffries but he is like Mr. Glass a lot of dangerous potential but cannot handle the rigors of the league. Channing Frye is a free agent and before you groan about his weight being an issue, his offense would blossom under D’antoni’s system plus he can play some moderate defense. Plus Tyson Chandler would be a great fit also as a free agent as long as his contract fits what we are looking for.

by dzinevo on May 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

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