Is Hasheem Thabeet worth chasing?
I've been arguing with myself over this. Some combination of instinct and draft frenzy tells me that one of the many guard prospects- Curry, Lawson, Flynn, ♥Rubio♥- would serve the Knicks best. I have a feeling, though, that Seth circa January would have had his sights set on a different player entirely. New York desperately needs a shot-blocking big man, and Hasheem Thabeet is the shot-blocking big man in this year's draft. He's gigantic, hard-working, and, most importantly, has very little respect for opposing slashers. Click that last link and watch the video. How many times have you seen a Knick do what Jeff Adrien did on that play? How nice would it be to have a final line of defense after David Lee waves his cape and lets someone by?
Some might say that Thabeet's lack of offensive polish would be forbidding in the D'Antoni system. I say the opposite. Especially if David Lee sticks around, a starting center candidate need only provide the Knicks with the three d's- defense, dunks, and dancing. Thabeet would bring all three, believe me. D'Antoni's offense has never really called for a traditional back-to-the-basket big man, so Thabeet's raw post moves aren't a pressing issue. With his size and defensive skills, some opportune catching and dunking on the offensive end would probably suffice.
I know that it would take a trade to get Hasheem Thabeet. I know that you draft for skill, not size. I know that Chris Duhon probably isn't the answer at point guard. I just need you to remind me of these things in the comments so I can go back to salivating over point guards. Or is Thabeet worth chasing?
Some YouTubez to supplement your brainstorming: A nice li'l mix (with creative choice of music!) and an interview (he definitely resembles Mutombo in at least one regard).
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we need help
our two best players are at a risk of being lost this summer. the only guy i feel is worth hanging on to, besides lee and robinson, is gallinari. everyone else is suspect. thabeet has potential, and i bet he does better in the league than the average stiff. i’d love to have him. i wouldn’t mind having a terrific point guard such as rubio or jennings.
it’s a tough call. we really need a whole lot of help. i’d invest in thabeet.
i kinda agree
first of all, i think that chandler is a keeper. to me, he’s just as valuable as gallo right now. but besides that you’re right.
but in my opinion, i think one of lee or robinson needs to get traded. i like the idea of lee + #8 for the #2, but i want another player from memphis in that deal (i.e. hakim warrick, that would be great). i really want thabeet but we’re not in a position to trade two guys for one, especially an unproven rookie.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 1, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No No No
Athletic big men without basketball skills are the fool’s gold of the draft.
This isn’t track and field. It actually matters what someone can do with a basketball in their hands.
"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
Thabeet's
main claim is that he’s good at defense. You can tell how many shots were altered just by him being there. I don’t know what the Knicks staff could teach him,
Id love to sign the recently released/looking for a HC job Tom Thibedeau if he doesn’t find a job.
If the Knicks land Thibideau AND manage to acqure Thabeet, that’s some damn good pieces.
As for the trade, Id like to think that #8, plus maybe Lee and and expiring contract, maybe Hughes or Cutino’s, could land the Knicks the #2.
Then again, if the Knicks land #2 I would think that its for Rubio.
remember that
lee can’t be traded until a few weeks after the draft. if he or robinson is traded, it’ll be for players, not picks.
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
really....
damn, I had no Idea.
They could still trade them when they can for the same players. It would feel like a draft day trade tho….
Eh, Guess it's worth a try.
This is actually my first post here but I’ve been following this blog now all year and love it. Fans here actually use some sort of logic. Coincidentally I find logic refreshingly therapeutic for my brain’s central processing core.
I digress, At this point I think having monkeys picking names out of hats would be just as helpful picking prospects this draft year.
Not that I don’t trust Walsh, just that the pick is just so easy because barring a bust (which can happen to any team at any time.) ANYONE in the projected top 10 could feasibly help this team. Will fans like just ANYONE in the top 10? Probably not, but we all saw how Gallinari’s reception went and he seems to have a pretty good game.
SGT, I agree that big men without solid skills are indeed fools good (Muresan,Yang Zhi Zhi, Sam Bowie, Pervis Ellison etc…) but Thabeet has the one thing we are in desperate need of and that’s shot blocking.
With a 7’ 3" frame and 152 swats in 09’ I can’t argue with a pick like that, even if he does bust given our deficiencies I’d say it would have been a justifiable pick. Sometimes things happen. We could pick up Curry (Who I’d love to see as a Knick.) and he could bust.
In fact I’d like Curry. I don’t like Duhon’s game, He’s unselfish but even when healthy it seems he can be too hesitant with both shooting and passing at times. And I don’t know how much of a leader he is on the floor?
He can set a play up and execute okay but does he motivate his comrades to finish those plays? Do any Knicks even give a crap if they muck up a potential momentum changing play? What’s Duhon gonna say or do about it anyway???
There are more than enough guards to pick up someone else in this draft, but we’ll be drafting potential. There are no studs out there who have dominated their positions other than Curry and Griffin.
Griifin will be unavailable to us and I love Curry’s game but he really isn’t what we need right now.
…don’t misinterpret, I want him on the team. The guy can light it up!!!
But we were 4th in the league in scoring…yes, hard to believe but 4th scoring 105.20 ppg but our opponents outscored us frequently.
Thabeet will give us that strong D and Curry will give us that clutch scorer we’ve lacked these last few years, then there is a whole host of players in between.
Like I said though, we have more than one significant hole that needs fillin’ and at this point it’s a toss up. Any pick could possibly help us in any one of those areas. I’m for the Thabeet move but wouldn’t care much or put much into it if it didn’t happen either way.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jun 1, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
Good to meetcha, Smackington.
And I agree, any player we draft is going to fill some hole or another. The only difference is what hole they fill.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 1, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome!
i’m with you on the point that pretty much any of the names mentioned can help the Knicks this year. People call this a weak draft, but I think it’s deeper than most. There may not be any clear studs, but there appears to be legitimate, durable talent up and down the draft board.
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
Welcome, indeed.
I don’t know if you’ve read any game threads over the past season, but saying things like “We have more than one significant hole that needs fillin’” will instantly result in a childish sex joke. This should be embraced, as part of the reason this is such a great blog is the perfect blend of basketball knowledge and penis/fart humor.
Also, I agree with almost every point you put up there. I just worry about Thabeet with injuries. He is a big boy, and I have the feeling that his knees are gonna find out about that pretty soon.
"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."
-Renaldo
by solanumbrella on Jun 2, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Stay Away
Thabeet has bust written all over him. I don’t think it would be worth what it would take to get a guy who is probably going to be nothing more than a bigger version of Samuel Dalembeart. If you want a soft big man with limited offense and can rebound and block shots go after Dalembeart he will cost less in terms of what you have to give up. The only plus to Thabeet would be that he won’t cost as much against the cap.
see that's the thing
i wouldn’t mind a “soft big man with limited offense” who can “rebound and block shots” if he comes at a rookie price. wasting money and years on someone like dalembert, on the other hand, i would oppose.
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
College Blocks
How well do college blocks translate to the pro game? I don’t follow college bb enough to say, but I get the sense that just by being 7’3" and playing in a zone defense, Thabeet can get plenty of blocks.
"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 2, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
UCONN
has had some good defensive minded centers in the past. Emeka Okafor is pretty good and a double double machine.
Calhoun prepares these guys well for the next level. Id take a C or a SG who played at UCONN pretty much any day.
I still really don’t know about Thabeet. He really do much, but in the right system I can see him being a taller Ben Wallace.
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 2, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Okafor
Is only about 6’11", so his blocks are earned from leaping and timing, not just height and wingspan. I’m sure that translates much better to the pros.
"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 2, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
magic words: rebounds and blocked shots
Totally agree on the dalembert point on both sides…If the knicks could afford him we are not even having this discussion, they’d try to get him. He is the type of big man we could use minus the price tag.
Thabeet’s game seems to be very similar to Sammy D’s right now but I aint mad at that. Dalembert is pretty useful around philly. In fact unless we offered up ….wait a minute….you think they would take larry hughes back???
anyway what I was gonna say is most likely they wouldn’t even part with him even if we wanted to and could match salary.
As Thelonious kindly pointed out, it’s all about what need the Knicks plan to address interior D then Thabeet’s the man and I’ll be happy with that.
If they’re looking for intangibles, leadership and/ or clutch factor, I’ll be estatic with a Curry or Lawson pick.
I think a Curry or Lawson pick would probably be a more long term benefit package where as Thabeet would have a more immediate significance in the way the team plays defense and I think that could be all the difference in us being a 40 win team next year. We got alot of guys who can score already. Some of who are too offense orientated almost to fault.
Adding another player of that build right now may pay off down the road but as of now it may just pan out to overkill.
On the other hand it’s easier to find a shot blocker than it is than a clutch player that’ll lead your team and win games seemingly by sheer will
There were some bright spots last year but we sucked it up, so now we have the #8 pick.
Eight aint to shabby and there will be some good players out there.
Picking prospects is a crap shoot. Even if we study every possible scenario and angle and take a kid who scored a jillion points and had billions of clutch buckets and swatted gazillions of shots…that guy could go pro and end up lunch meat on a nightly basis playin’ wit the big boys.
Just sayin’ a team in our position is either in a no win/no lose situation.
Who ever we pick from 2 thru 8 can’t really hurt us but also won’t necessarily deliver us any immediate playoff action.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jun 2, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not worth a trade
the only guy I would want us to trade up for is ru-ru-rubio.
If Thabeet somehow falls to us at 8 (crazy shit happens every draft) then jump all over him.
I actually think that us not being able to trade lee or nate before the draft will help us net rubio.
Let Memphis draft him, then he say he doesnt want to play for them… or he will have to wait 2 more years before he can. They will be sitting between a rock and a hard place.
they'll be sitting between a cock
and a dildo.
you’re right about jumping all over thabeet (pause). you trade up for a sure thing, not a potential win/bust. that said, i’d roll the dice on signing nate and lee.
i’ve said it before. but i’ll say it again… i like our chances of unloading curry and jeffries somehow or other before next summer. and i think wilson is good chum to attract the sharks. nate is magnificent and i want him on my team!!! lee is also terrific. put a superstar in the mix, and those guys become so much MORE lethal it’s intoxicating. got a shooter like gallinari. and if you ask me, a lot of these pg’s in this draft are pretty stable, and probably have more talent than duhon. all the major free agency targets fit around those pieces so nicely! if only i were donnie walsh!
We wrote a couple of Thabeet articles over at WTLC that may be of interest.
Thabeet “Key” For Thunder At 2009 NBA Draft…In More Ways Than One.
Hello, My Name is Hasheem Thabeet
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good looks on the articles
the more i think about it, and the more i read articles like those…
hasheem thabeet is going #2 in the draft. not only that, but by the time the draft rolls around, he will be the consensus #2 pick and rubio will not be in the discussion. you heard it here first.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 2, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He was often out played by other skilled, large centers
See his career numbers against Monroe & Hibbert from GTown.
by HoyandKnicksfan on Jun 2, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Keep your ACES
I love to play poker but there is no way I part with either Lee or Robinson plus the 8th pick for a move to any spot except the number 1 spot. The 8th pick is very intriguing and it saves us a ton of dough.
Here is a legitimate question do you all in Knickerbockerland think that the current knicks roster plus Lebron could have done better than what he and the current cleveland team done? I say hell ya. Because who on clevelands team is better than either Robinson or Lee other than Lebron?
So you see were not to far from completing the puzzle. Keep the #8 spot, resign Lee & Robinson to go along with Chandler & Gallinari and a role player like Harrington. And get rid of the everyone else to acquire one or two key free-agents to put us in a position to be ready for the free-agents who will be in the market next summer.
2010 is not just the Summer of LeBron: It’s also the Summer of Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, and Michael Redd, each of whom can become an unrestricted free agent in 2010. There are others Like T-Mac, Dirk, Yao, Paul Peirce and Ray Allen I feel these last 5 will not help the knicks in the long run. We need to build a team for longevity not just fr now
Mudbone 3561
comparing us to cleveland
there’s no way the knicks + lebron do any better against the magic. in fact that team most likely gets swept. who guards howard?
we’re a long way from completing the puzzle. even if you think that robinson, lee, chandler, and gallo are part of a title team, you’re 4 players short of a playoff rotation.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
How about this Knicks fans
cream of the crop 2009 unrestricted free agent. One name stands above the rest and would help us now for the upcoming season. One name only Carlos Boozer.
He will help shore up our frontline and place us in the position to make a good run for the title once the 2010 crop of free agents are available.
Mudbone 3561
I don't like Boozer
He’s too injury prone and just seems all about the cash. Why else would he opt out of Utah or run away from Cleveland and Lebron? Plus given that second part Id think having Boozer may lessen the chances of Lebronze, cuz of the way he left Cleeland
Mudbone....
….I could not have said it better myself. Though picking up Dalembert would be great, we need youth to make it work. Trading either Lee or Robinson would be suicidal. We don’t need a big man to be a great scorer just a finisher. What made the Knicks a lottery team is we didn’t have a closer. Imagine how many games we would have won if we had a LeBron or a Wade?

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