Darko, Hill, and Ghostface: Appraising The New Knicks
I've had almost 24 hours to steep in last night's events. Let me see if I can summarize what I'm taking from Draft Night '09.
Getting Bigger
Depending where you look, you'll learn that Jordan Hill is either a great big man in the works or a telephone pole: the next Amare/Bosh or Mikki Moore lite. How Hill develops and embraces Mike D'Antoni's system remains to be seen, so I'd rather tune out the critics and zealots alike and concentrate on what we need from him. What is certain is that he's nearly 7 feet tall, has two working arms, and is relatively comfortable in the painted area. He might bring a little intimidation factor to the front line. The same can't be said about pretty much any other Knick before yesterday, so that's a start. Even better is the trade that Donnie Walsh managed to swing last night. Darko Milicic has an expiring deal, sure, but he's also a big, pissed-off guy who's willing to defend. Between those two, the Knicks went from perilously undersized to flexible in the frontcourt in one night, all while sparing the payroll. That's good management. I was among the boo-birds when Hill got picked, but hey, I forgive easily.
By the way, the Knicks better be faxing Charles Oakley a contract as I write this.
Bolstering the Backcourt
Toney Douglas wasn't touted much for whatever reason. Maybe it's because he's been around awhile. I personally see no reason why he can't be as effective as Tyreke Evans, Jeff Teague, or any of the "combo" guards taken in the first round. I don't watch much college basketball, but a number of you do, and everyone's said he can score and defend like a champ and run the point if necessary. What am I missing? Did he kill a hooker and nobody told me? The Douglas pick gets an A+ from me (or an 11 on the scale I offered earlier) and presents a silver lining for my next point.
Playing It Safe
I'm not going to fault Donnie Walsh for missing out on Evans, Rubio, Curry, or Flynn last night. It sounds like he was hard at work making offers, but couldn't quite pull off a deal. D'Antoni's comments make it clear that New York was targeting Curry, but it just didn't happen. Remember that Walsh isn't playing with a full deck until July, when David Lee and Nate Robinson hit the market. What does irk me a little is Walsh passing on Brandon Jennings. I guess we'll never know how Young Money would've fared in the Big Apple, but my imagination tells me that the intersection of Jennings' mouth, D'Antoni's offense, and the New York media could've been glorious. Oh well. Walsh played it safe, but you've gotta wonder what could have been. (Side note: I was one of many to laugh at the Skiles-Jennings pairing last night, but don't forget that Skiles was a bit of a punk in his day. And not in the "he thinks he's so cool" kind of way. More like the "he did jail time" kind of way. I won't be surprised if that little bastard takes a liking to Jennings. He may be a stickler, but I bet he appreciates a brash, young point guard. I'm likely wrong about that. Jennings just sets my imagination afire. Should probably pause there for good measure. Just in case.) Anyway, by passing Jennings, the Knicks opted not to swing for the fences. These things happen. They also neglected the point guard hole, which is why Ghostface makes me happy.
So, I'm not ecstatic, but I'm satisfied. The pangs of lust and possibility of bliss may very well return next week, when the Knicks will likely pursue Ricky Rubio. For now, feast your eyes:
A couple side notes:
- Farewell to Quentin Richardson, who's always been a good teammate and a fierce competitor. Q's done some good in orange and blue, but we all knew he was the odd man out on a team that's deep and young at his position. I'm ever so slightly saddened to see his jersey number gobbled up so quickly, but- oh wait- yup. Now I'm over it. Best of luck to Q, who's been classy as ever about the whole thing.
- I'm fully prepared to work the nickname "Ghostface" to death. If you don't get it, check here (and then check yourself. Jeez). It's gold. "Pretty Toney" will get plenty of play as well. Hill's nickname will come in due time.
And there it is. My thoughts on the Knicks' 2009 draft are now in writing. It'll be interesting to look back at what we said next week, months from now, and years down the road. For now, it's Darko, Hill, and Ghostface. Appreciate it.
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Jordan Hill was the hero of a Walter Scott novel....
You’re going to have to trust me on this one.
by ForeignFlopper on Jun 27, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
good work
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
The 2nd coming of Rip?
The more I read up on Ghostface, the more and more he sounds like Rip Hamilton, and that’s a very good thing, especially in D’antoni’s system, plus he plays defense so that’s a major improvement right there. He’s a steal for sure.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jun 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions
i get the feeling
that he’s less of a catch and shoot guy, more of an off-the-dribble guy. maybe a mo williams or ben gordon type?
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
Two words
Earl Watson
Or a little Michael Cooper
"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
michael cooper was so much better than earl watson i could cry
is this a best case/worst case thing?
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i always liked grant long
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
i thought the same thing
but i’ve come around, and i’m now a fan of 43. no reason, just like the look of it.
not so thrilled with 23 for ghostface though. seems like a bust number. so many bums have taken 23 over the years trying to be the next jordan. hopefully he’s not one of them.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 27, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
i like to imagine
that he just digs the number. hasn’t really thought about the significance.
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
here's jonny
everyone’s talking about the knicks wanting to trade for rubio, but if the wolves can get a commitment from rubio that he’ll play in minny of they just get rid of flynn, i would trade some combo of lee/chandler/nate, etc for flynn.
twolves wind up saving face, knicks get gritty local product who can play d and run.
win-win.
Casually.
Far more realistic than Rubio
Flynn is a legitimate target in trade.
Knicks fans who think the team has anything like what it would take to acquire Rubio from the Wolves? Are kidding themselves. Badly. Whatever the Daily News may suggest, Ricky Rubio is a valuable asset whom the Timberwolves are not going to put on fire sale for no reason.
Flynn was picked #6 overall
Rubio #5.
What the hell makes Rubio that much more valuble?
He obviously doesn’t want to play in Minnesota, that’s why he’s gonna sit out for 1-2 years.
Johnny Flynn is the PG of the future for the Wolves.
Its either Flynn or the Wolves got absolutely nothing from this draft cuz Rubio’s not playing there.
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Rubio's value is not nothing
Yes, I am well aware that Knicks fans would like the Wolves to say:
- He’s hesitant about playing here; so We must deal him for nothing. What contracts can the New York franchise unload on us, quick?!?
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Rubio is a valuable commodity. He’s an asset whose value will only accrue over time, as the buyout situation is either resolved or simply runs out.
The only people suggesting such a deal have no attention spans whatsoever. Even if the Wolves were to want to trade the kid, which they don’t, there’s absolutely no reason they would be obligated to take New York’s trash over other trade assets. There are other teams out there, you know? Despite the solipsism of New York fans, other teams don’t exist as a farm system for our franchises.
The only way your math would work, in short, is if the success or failure of a draft class was determined in the five days after draft night. It is not.
who said they are trading for nothing?
who said fire sale other than you?
The only reason to draft Rubio is to have him as your PG, so why draft Flynn?
They are trading one. Rubio doesn’t want to play there, so its Rubio. Whether its to the Knicks or someone else, we’ll see.
Even if Rubio came and played this season in Minny, how does this make sense? 2 Pass first PG’s on a team than can’t score? Yea that’s good.
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
rubio's value
you can’t say that it will accrue over time. what if he doesn’t get any better? what if he gets worse? what if he gets injured? the list goes on. minnesota has to take these things into consideration. it seems as if all of the parties involved want to strike while the iron is hot (especially rubio’s camp and DKV Joventut).
and yadda yadda solipsism but consider this: how many teams does rubio want to go to? how many teams want rubio? the reason rubio keeps getting projected to NY is because there’s mutual interest. maybe other teams have more to offer, but a lot of them might not be willing to offer it.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 28, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
re:solipsism
saying lebron will come to new york is solipsistic, as is saying that every major baseball player will end up on the yankees/mets every offseason, which, sadly, through no fault of our own, actually does happen.
saying we hope that rubio becomes a knick is not. we know that the knicks are hot for the guy, we know the t’wolves are too, but we also know that the way the nba works, they likely won’t keep him because of his signability issues and the fact that there’s already an overload of point guards. meanwhile, we know that his signability is higher in new york, because he and his dad would rather he play here, and we know that the knicks don’t want to take on any major contracts, and are trying to get a guy on rookie pay scale here, and we wouldn’t be surprised if our management goes to great lengths to get rubio on the new york knicks. we know other teams are also trying to get him, that doesn’t make us selfish for hoping we are the ones who end up getting him.
oh. please. no!!!
leave lee and robinson A L O N E!!!! For the love of the Knick gods and all that is HOLY!!! Isn’t it bad enough that Walsh got rid of Jamal Crawford?! I know the rationale but he, in my humble opinion, was the heart of that team.
My manner of thinking, so you say, cannot be approved. Do you suppose I care? A poor fool indeed is he who adopts a manner of thinking for others! Marquis de Sade
Is it me?
or does Toney Douglas not look very happy to be a Knick… If Steph Curry wins the ROY Ill be upset. I cant help but think that was Don Nelson’s way of getting back at the Knicks or maybe not. Anways…heres to Jordan Hill being better than Bosh and Stoudamire..just wishful thinking.
by mightykingcrayon on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
Toney isn't known for showing his emotion, positive or negative. Even after big wins, it was tough to get anything out of him. The exception this year was after our win over UNC in the ACC Championship.
Here is what Toney said about becoming a Knick:
“It’s a great situation for me and I am really excited to be going to New York,” said Douglas. “It’s the perfect situation for me; they play my style of basketball and I am happy to be playing for a head coach who likes to play the way I like to play. I couldn’t be happier.”
You can see the rest of the story at Seminoles.com
ur rite, I think it was spite
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jun 27, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
spite
The warriors are trying to destroy us and cause dissent! It won’t work I tell you, It won’t work….bastards.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jun 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh so he's the Stong Silent type..
He’s more of a Gas face than Ghost face if you ask me er…..Props to JordiScrubbings who picked up on GhostFace before anyone else did…like many New Yorkers that patrol broadway in the late night i wanted a B.J. but imagine how NY fans would have greeted him if he pulled that late shit with us? not good.
by mightykingcrayon on Jun 27, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
Fast Break Offense!
I just love saying that. I think pick helps Knicks cause they get a potential Scorer/Rebounder that gives them some leeway just in case they sign and trade David Lee…
I just want to say that I PRAY that Rubio gets traded to the Knicks.
hey stingy d
heres a clip of B.J. talking with Joe Budden pretty close to the end he drops a “F*ck the Knicks they skipped out on me” and “Duhon aint never gonna get it done” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT3_fxWyplA I dont blame him tho
by mightykingcrayon on Jun 29, 2009 3:01 AM EDT reply actions
joe budden is annoying as shit
jennings is right…. but the audio quality of this is impossible to deal with. i see your quotes and thats aplenty.
i have never been a believe of hype.
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