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Could Ghostface Douglas be a fit in NY?

Editor's Note: Big thanks to Jordi, who sheds light on a draft prospect that doesn't get much attention...

In the weeks leading up to any NBA Draft rumors fly and what is perceived as truth one day is in the next often revealed as unfathomable hearsay. This is the nature of the Draft's mystique. This is why we stand on the little solid ground we have and prognosticate on a great number of unknowns.

This year, we know a certain amounts of truths to be evident. The Knicks need a point guard and a center. Seth did a great job a few weeks ago in his post "What 8 Can Do" discussing some of the bigger names that can help via the Knicks' lottery pick.

After reading a recent rumor that GM Donnie Walsh may be looking to acquire a lower first round pick, it dawned on me that we could add a name to the list of possible Knicks. One player in particular that I am very familiar with, having watched him all through his college career at my alma mater. A player who can do all that Seth was asking for. One who can run the point, lead a team in scoring, and play some quality defense.

Toney Douglas of Florida State.

As I mentioned, I am slightly partial to Douglas. I am a Knicks fan who attended FSU and who currently covers Seminole basketball over at FSU sports site ScalpEm.com. But that said, eying Douglas in the late first round allows the Knicks to use their early pick on a more coveted big man (Thabeet?).

In honor of the 8th pick, here are 8 things to know about Toney Douglas:

1) He is a point guard.

Ever since coming to FSU in 2005-2006 Douglas has been playing the point. Although originally a two at Auburn, Douglas committed himself at Florida State to learning the intricacies of the one guard position.

2) He can score.

As a senior Douglas averaged 21.6 points per game. He scored 751 points over the season, or 31.3% of the Seminoles total output. He averaged 38.5% from downtown with a knack for creating his shot and a talent for scoring in the lane.

3) He can play defense.

Last year, Florida State had one of the stingiest defenses in the ACC, if not in all of college basketball. The Noles prided themselves on low scoring, drag-'em-out games. Granted, this does run counter to the D'Antoni way, but it is the style of FSU Coach Leonard Hamilton. And Douglas excelled, winning ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

4) He is a leader.

As I mentioned, Douglas scored a high percentage of the Noles points last season. He was not only the go-to guy, he was the leader on a team that featured at times three starting freshmen. He was one of only three seniors and the face of the team.

5) He can run.

According to NBADraft.net, Douglas "enjoys pushing the tempo, attacking early in the shotclock and not allowing the defense to get set … Has the ability to play at a high pace without making many mistakes". Sounds like a D'Antoni guy.

6) He is ready to contribute now.

At 23, Douglas will be an old rookie. But with the Knicks looking to rebuild for 2010, why draft someone who will take 3-4 years to develop when they can get someone NBA-ready now?

7) He played for FSU.

The last guard the Knicks drafted from Florida State was a guy named Charlie Ward. Ward was the Knicks point guard the last time they went to the NBA Finals.

8) He has a NY nickname.

Over at ScalpEm.com I started a movement to call Toney Douglas "Ghostface" due to the spelling of his name and Ghostface Killah's "Pretty Toney" album. Because you know, since Douglas's game is so pretty, he must be Ghostface.

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Toney is the main reason i picked FSU in my Elite 8 this year. instead they got beat by a dogshit Wisconsin team. i guess i shouldn’t have ignored the fact that Leonard Hamilton was the head coach.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jun 5, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

admittedly, i only saw dude play once, and it looks like that game was an outlier in terms of how poorly he played, but nobody with nba-caliber ballhandling and passing skills should be turning the ball over seven times in 40 minutes against northwestern.

by Barnesgasm on Jun 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No thank you.

I love ghostface killah pause, but this is not a D’Antoni PG:
21 ppg
3 apg

uhhhhhh…what? Another guard who looks for his own shot first?
Toney album is sick, but I’m more of a Fishscale man myself.
If we’re getting a later 1st rounder, why wouldn’t we grab any of the
point guards who are guaranteed to fall too far (Maynor, etc.) or
Nick Calathes?

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Jun 5, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Calathes!

Yes, yes, yes.

"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

going overseas, isn't he?

Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."

by Seth on Jun 5, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Greece.

Where he holds dual citizenship.

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

But I can wait. He’ll be back in 2010, when we’re Duhon-less, and he won’t be on our cap yet.

"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 5, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The low assist numbers are due to the style of that team

Much like the Cavs this year…there were long stretches of the game where the rest of the team could not score and would rely solely on the star to keep them in the game.

I think Doublee’s post down bottom has some merit, however I still like Toney. Maybe I’m biased, but I think he can work in the SSOL offense. It would be interesting to see someone play defense and he would most certainly be an upgrade over Duhon. The skillset is definitely there and I don’t think you should penalize him for playing on a poorly coached college team that sought to exploit him strictly for his ability to beat an entire team by himself rather than emphasizing sound offensive team techniques.
 

PS. Fuck Calathes.

by Weasie on Jun 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AI here and now.

Iverson is a unrestricted free agent and he will not cost anything right now to get. use the 8th pick to get a center that can block shot and post up.

by fajardo on Jun 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and who would that center be?

There is one center who can block shots, but there is NO center who can post up in this draft unless you call Dejaun Blair a center (he’s as tall as Q-Rich…). Bj Mullens may be that dude, but Id rather not draft him and find out.

I like AI, but there is no reason to grab him even for the league minimum. He doesn’t play Pringles ball.

As for “ghostface”, If the Knicks find a way into the latter half of the draft Id rather go with a player who may have some actual NBA potential.

What about Darren Collison, who could be this season’s Mario Chalmers? Once COllison starts getting a NBA paycheck instead of a UCLA one, he should gain a few pounds. Could be a steal.

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 8, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeJuan Blair is not a center he is a power forward. I see him as a Charles Oakley or Dale Davis type of guy who will get in there and mix it up and get his 10-12 points and 8 rebounds a game just based on his strength and willingness to mix it up under the basket. But, I do not see him as a guy who is going to be a prominent low post presence because of his lack of height whose points will come mostly from grabbing loose balls and throwing them in and getting to the line.

There really are not outstanding low post prospects in this draft. Mullens had the hype but seemed to check out once he got to OSU which makes me wonder if he has the mental chops to a quality NBA big man or if he is just a smaller version of Thabeet. Jordan Hill probably has the most upside offensively as a low post player but he has quite a bit of work to do before he gets there.

I am not so sure AI’s ego will let him sign for the league minimum anyway and besides you just got rid of one headache in Marbury why sign on for another one? AI is going to sign with someone who gives him a chance to start. He couldn’t handle coming off the bench in Detroit so why would he sign for the league minimum or a mid-level deal for that matter? He will likely end up on some middling to bottom feeding team who thinks he can sell a few tickets and possibly help get that team into the playoffs.

I doubt AI gets a big contract but I can maybe see him getting a two or three year deal in the 25 to 35 million range. He is nuts if he thinks he will get 20+ mil but I can see someone rolling the dice and giving him in the neighborhood of 10 to 12 mil. I could see teams like Miami, Toronto, or possibly Golden State who are in desperate need of another scorer to get to the next level making a run at Iverson and I would never put anything past Cuban and Dallas.

by Doublee on Jun 8, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so Fast

1. Douglas really is not a point guard. He is a shooting guard in a PG’s body. Consider that he never averaged more than 2.9 apg in college and had 12 games with 2 or fewer assists this past season.

4. His ‘leadership’ is somewhat debatable in my mind given he put his own goals and aspirations above that of coach Lebo’s at Auburn and went to FSU where he knew he would be the showcased talent thus improving his draft status with the NBA.

I like Douglas’ game a lot and loved watching him this past season at FSU but I think he fits better in a non-traditional offense like LA, Cleveland, Portland, or Oklahoma that does not rely on a PG to be the primary ball handler. His career will be more successful where he can be a shooting point guard and play off of someone like a Kobe, D-Wade, LeBron, Brandon Roy, or Durant. I just do not like him as a PG in a traditional offense that calls on him to be the primary ball handler.

by Doublee on Jun 8, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ghostface

Is working out with the team tomorrow.

"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 8, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

imagine

if that was true

by Barnesgasm on Jun 8, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

7 Turnovers?

I have a lot of connections to and love 4 Northwestern. 7TOS against the Wildcats is scary horrible. If Jrue Holiday falls to 8th, take a good hard look at him.

Resident Incidental General Manager at Knicks Fanatics

by IGMKNICKS on Jun 16, 2009 2:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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