Maybe Nate hotdogs a bit. Fine. Doesnt make him a problem by any means. He does much more good than bad. You want a leader out of Rubio? Here is an 18 year old who on draft night said He is happy to just be IN the NBA. Hasn’t even met his teammates. Didn’t even SHOW UP to Minnesota’s press conference introducing their draft picks. Here is a kid who has been dying to get into the NBA. Now hes in it, and he doesn’t like the team he was drafted by, AND he’s reportedly pissed about NOT being picked Top 3.

Since we’re talkin Nat Robinson’s leadership…consider his offer to take less money for this year so he can stay in NY…a team who is been near the bottom of the barrel and have made no bones about making a run this year. A team that is essentially sacrificing 2 seasons in a row…and their most energetic player wants to stick it out, even if it means LESS money for him??

We know nothing of Rubio’s leadership. Don’t be so quick to hate on Nate either.

Nate is an awesome specimen, i dont deny his energy or compassion towards NY and us (the fans). I just feel like hes more flash then fire. He enjoys being in New York because he loves us and he enjoys being the star on a team of, and I hate to say it, nobodys. Nobodys meaning big name players, with the exception of David Lee. Nate can fill it up, but I just feel like we need to try and do something NEW in NEW york and take a risk on a young kid with talent. I feel like if we stick with Nate, then its just the same old knicks with a somewhat reckless attention hog at the head of its realm. Take a chance on Rubio, we really cant go wrong. I just feel like you can’t build a real conteder around Nate.

I once witnessed, on live television, Nate Robinson bounce an alley-oop to himself off the ground on a breakaway, completely mistime his jump, and miss the ball completely. i almost broke down in tears.

Who is building a contender around Nate? He is not the centerpiece of the team we are building, he is a complementary piece who brings energy off the bench and plays hard with a lot of heart. Because of the fact that he is even considering to take the compensation no one should ever accuse him of caring more about his wallet than the team. He does make bad decisions often, but he also plays harder than the majority if not all of our roster. If he was the key to this whole puzzle he wouldn’t have been shopped with jeffries to sacramento at the trade deadline in what could have been a salary dumping move

Also if espnnews reported that T-wolves turned down a wilson chandler for rubio trade, one would have to assume the point guard heavy minnesota would not trade rubio for nate especially when wilson would fill a whole they have at sf.

was the name of my fantasy team in the p&t league! with that exact same picture as well.

Sorry Guru Nate is the Man. How many times this past season has he kept us in the game with a chance to win? With a defensive presence in the middle we would’ve definitley won alot more. Calling Nate a headache is totally ridiculous when you’ve had guys like Marbury, James, Jeffries, Richardson, Hughes, and Curry on the team. Yeah he’s been a little immature in the past but along with that comes guts, grit and most importantly buckets. Yeah i remember that game he tried to do the bounce dunk thing but he’s never done it again. Give him credit there’s been steady improvement with Nate. This year he’ll be older, wiser and better. What else do you want from the guy? Im just like you i want the Knicks to get better but getting rid of Nate would be a step back.

Although i hope Rick Rubio is succesful in the league I cant buy into the Ricky Rubio hype. Dude has’nt even played a minute in the summer league and i see people posting that he’s a leader, he makes everyone better he has superman’s courtvision blah, blah, blah. Let the guy put some work in first before you give him all this credit.

anyone who watches the Knicks knows damn well that right now Nate is NOT the PG.

He’s the 6th man. He’s actually a 2-guard.

Im sure the Spurs would love to have Nate come off the bench for them too. Nate and Ginobili off the bench? That would be #5 for Duncan I’d think.

I never denied Nate’s scoring or energy. He has kept us in the game countless numbers of time, but I just feel like we won’t resign him anyway, so you might as well try to get value for him. I love Nate and I’m a huge fan, but I’m trying to be realistic…the guy isn’t a real PG. he CANT lead a team and I am just saying I would rather have someone like Rubio who has a lot of upside…not saying Nate doesnt have the upside, but I think Rubio has more. I love Nate and I would be upset if we traded him because I have a couple of his jerseys and hes probably my favorite Knick, but just because hes the best knick doesnt mean hes THAT good of a player.

hahah not really

good talkin to u guys

I think this is less about your evaluation of N8 and more about your evaluation of Rubio. All of us including yourself want the Knicks to be better I should hope. That’s a given. You might have been drinking too much of that Rubio Kool-Aid though.

Rubio is great…as a prospect. If you put in the time and with the right tutelafge he could be great. But…he could just as easily get those things and not get any better or he may not get those things and not be any better but he is young and for a team that has no point guard or an aging one about to go out he is a legitimate risk.

I don’t know how anyone else feels but I never bought into the Duhon as a starter philosophy even when he was on fire the first months of the season.

He is a back up.

So giving up on N8 to bring in Rubio when Rubio is clearly not ready to lead now is a mistake. Rubio may be able to lead one day, but not now. And if that’s the case there will always be prospects and talent to chase through free agency and the draft to utilize so we don’t have to throw away a player of value for a up and coming /project type player.

It’s not the fact that you’d trade N8 or the fact you want Rubio…It’s the combo of Rubio in exchange for Nate that is ludicrous.

Now…Duhon for Rubio…It may not be effective as far as results either but I’m sure that’s alot easier to swallow….pause

I think I somewhat agree with you. This isn’t about my evaluation of N8, because we can all agree that Nate is a good player. I think that if we have to take a risk on Rubio and we might fail, then I am willing to do so. The Knicks have been really bad for a while now some I am willing to take risks at this point. Rubio has upside, and just because he is an unproven leader, it doesnt mean that he has exessive potential. Rubio can be a multiple all star or a mediocre player in the league, but I feel words like “we know what we are gonna get from N8” is exactly what we dont need.

When you don’t risk players and make trades,even if they are risky, makes your franchise stale and you can never get better like that. You have to take risks in order to get better (just look at danilo gallinari, one that didnt work out). Its not like Rubio is a bad player, which I feel everyone is making him out to be. I just think we shouldn’t be satisfied with what we have and we should try to get change into the lineup, even if it means sacrificing someone like Nate.

I dont think its ludicrous in the exchange of Nate for Rubio, because Rubio could end up being a lot better than Nate, and even if it doesnt work out, then thats a risk im willing to take. It’s not like we will be that much better or worse if we don’t have Nate anymore. By the time 2010 comes around, almost all the knicks contracts are expiring and we will have a completely new team.

I just want whats best for the Knicks, and I think short term, Nate, long term, Rubio.

who the f*ck goes on posting and toasting and names themself Isiah Thomas. lmfao

as if it were a possibility. This is kind old news at this point, but even if Rubio actually had said he didn’t want to play for us (“us” being the Twolves, this is Mark Madsen’s personal magician) and we wanted to trade him, why would we trade him to NY? You don’t really have anyone worth trading him for. Is it just a “well, we’re New York, so of course…” thing? I’m not trying to be rude.