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Jordan Hill or Tony Douglas

I happen to love Tony Douglas, but I am not sure about Jordan Hill.   Ik he is like really raw and unpolished and has potential, but I just think douglas has more upside.  He is so explosive and I think that he can really be a star in the league.  He understands the game better and will be more of an immediate impact player, in my opinion.   

Hill seems like hes not that skilled and doesnt have a great understanding of the game, but he seems like hes just really athletic.  Theres not a lot going around to talk about with the knicks, so I just figured I'd get peoples opinions.  Whats your take?

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Who do you think is better....Toney Douglas or Jordan HIll?
Jordan Hill
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Toney Douglas
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better right now? or once they’re fully developed in 3-4 years?

by homer simpson on Jul 5, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i get such a headache

gangstarr is the worst rapper.

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by stingy d on Jul 5, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

well

there’s probably a dude out there whose name is “thesportsdjpremo1” who actually writes really, really, really insightful comments about the knicks

by Barnesgasm on Jul 6, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i rebuke you that!

on what i said. (re:butt all, et al)

if i’m the only one that can follow that. i’m not clever, and i’ll shut up for as long as i can. promise!

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah

thanks for the input D ^

by TheSportsGuru1 on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

there

is

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

thing

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

that

says

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

reply.

you’re killin me smalls!

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

no one knows

Hill was a double double machine for an average Arizona team (tho they did good in the tourney).

Ghostface was underrated at FSU but still lit up the scoreboard and played excellent defense.

I’ll take Hill. He just sounds too much like a young Amare (great athlete, unpolished, a lot of unknown to his game tho pause).

Ghostface seems to be at his max potential already, which is probably a good thing cuz he could be a nice part for a team.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 6, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

neither is better.

we have had these guys for what…2 weeks? And by ‘had’ i mean we have their names. They havent stepped onto a court yet. Good in college doesn’t mean good in NBA, so lets let these cats play some big-boy ball before we decide on whos better and whos a bust. I dont know if any of us hoops intellectuals have seen either guy play in person or anything past highlights, so who knows.

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 6, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

this question is premierture.

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+ 1 malapropism

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by ny knickerbocker on Jul 7, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

the point

of this question is to see who you like better, whether it be from highlights youtube actual games or in person

i never said. “Who is better in the NBA”…the point of this question is to get your opinion before they step on the court

by TheSportsGuru1 on Jul 6, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

alan hahn is over there bloggin a guru quoteable too

maybe i’m just a curmudgeon. i’m definitely grumpy.

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

reply to stingy above ^

you really don’t like gangstarr?

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jul 6, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

ha

premo beats is a wonderful thing, beyond that even. but they got decimated by the worst goddamned rapper in the history of overrated rappers. the instrumentals stand the test of time, the lyrics are so boring and lame it hurts. i would have taken 20 years of ANYONE else over premier. ANYONE!

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

even chingy?

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jul 6, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm

anyone that was a contemporary. but plenty of today-ish dudes would be just fine.

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would never argue that Guru

was one of the best ever, but i do love almost all of the old gangstarr shit. maybe it’s just because the beats were so ridiculous. i actually thought Premo’s best beat wasn’t even a Gangstarr song – instead for BIG in “Unbelievable”.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jul 6, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear that

but to me the old gangstarr shit is garbage because guru is too lost in the moment. the 88 shit was good in the summer of 88. but once 1990 happened. the only thing that wasn’t lost was the beats. just my personal.

and my favroite premo works are the stuff he did for group home. and that second jeru album! man please. thats what’s up! and maybe “nas is like”. unbeleivable is definitely right there.

but my favoite rapper might be prodigy. and the difference between someone like p and guru is oceans apart. odb is my main man too. guys that have personality usually come across as good rappers to me too. god universal ruler universal is so bland and dry. turkey on white bread, no condiments with saltines for dessert. you’ll get by, sure. but did you really nourish yourself?

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ton of hate for guru?

I agree he’s not the best and he is sort of bland.

But how are you gonna say that with Prodigy as your favorite? Yea the early stuff was incredible, but since he called himself the HNIC he’s been more bland than a turkey sandwith with the actual cut from the bird, overcooked by your senile grandmother type with flour for dessert. No cake, no sugar, plain flour. You probably aint gonna live on that.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 6, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i raise you

a Nas is Like, also 6th Sense by Com Sense

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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jul 6, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i already saw your nas is like

you need to ante up…. no m.o.p pun intended. (bucka buck-bucka buck-buckabuckaBLOWWWW!!!)

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

that should be the

fucking entrance song when the knicks run onto the courts. i would fuckin spaz everytime the game started and the players would just fuck people up….literally. like they would get into fights before tip off

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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jul 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've been saying for a while

that m.o.p. should be the q-tip/take me home/go ny go of knicks pregame intros

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

and it has to be the version with funk flex yelling on it dropping b ombs

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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jul 6, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

YAP EM (yap em) ZAP EM (zap em)

i don’t think it’s possible to listen to m.o.p. and not get hype. i have difficulty believing that the members of mop can go to sleep, because of how overwhelmingly hype their music is.
i’ve listened to that shit before having to play ball before. always works. always.

by Barnesgasm on Jul 7, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can listen to gang starr all day

the fact that guru is at best mediocre almost enhances my gang starr listening experience. its like “even this guy sounds moderately interesting when i’m producing for him”

by Barnesgasm on Jul 6, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear that

i mean to make guru sound like he’s accomplishing something actually is quite impressive. i can listen to gangstarr, and don’t get me wrong, i like the stuff by and large. “mass appeal” is my joint for sure. “tons of gunz”… and moment of truth had a lot of great tracks. there is definitely a ton of great tracks. i’m just harping on guru for a many an obvious reason. but it’s really there for – i think dude is weak. “the girls look so good” or whatever that one is called. but then they do some shit like “the mall” which is my purest example of why premiere trumps guru so intensely. he’s got his heart in the right place. and maybe that’s what made them rise above the rest. but honestly… throw kool g rap into a primo album…. and you might have the most ruggedest selection of beats and rhymes ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOU-0-GntCE
need i say more?

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

me and you see eye to eye on this

it explains the joke i made about that sportsguru dude all the way up top. i have referred to guru as “that guy who is in gang starr with dj premier” before in conversations, so, yeah.

by Barnesgasm on Jul 7, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm just gonna say

over the past 3 yrs, i’ve definitely been impressed by the collective P&T hip-hop knowledge. Maybe there’s some kind of link between good rap, hardcore non fair-weather fans, and childish dick and fart jokes?

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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jul 6, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i was just thinking the same thing

especially considering that i know dick about rap. like plenty of it, just can’t stand toe-to-toe with any of you in the hip hop department.

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by Seth on Jul 6, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

and thats not even including the historians like joey from straight bangin or SML (whatever happened to him anyway?)

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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jul 6, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

the new wu-tang is actually real good.

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by stingy d on Jul 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay- Z should have stayed retired

I lost all sorts of respect for him.

He’s type wack post ‘retirement’ too, so its all good.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I can't keep up with any of you guys when it comes to Gang Starr and shit.

and know you all like Tribe a whole lot, but I only KINDA fucks with them.

But when it comes to dead guys (Biggie, Pac, Big L) and Wu-Tang, I have a borderline obsession.

There’s gotta be some link with Knicks fans or some shit. I’ve noticed this same thing. It’s why I recommended a few months ago that, during the slow summer months, people make lists of their favorite albums or something to like. I had (have) the feeling a lot of them would jive.

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

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by solanumbrella on Jul 7, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ATCQ

is my shit.

In fact, Q-Tip’s Renaissance is a damn good listen to those who haven’t gotten to it.

Its a NY thing. ALl these greats are from NY, so of course you follow then since you are a pup.

Jersey’s got some good shit too. I’ve been listening to Arifacts and Redman all week. Pace Won too.

I follow a ton of rap tho, lost of old school west coast like the Alkaholiks

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You fucks with Del tha funkiest?

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Jul 7, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt

I still can’t stop listening to “get it right”. New album is tight.

I always fucks with Del.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

big on del

early-mid del. lots of great ice cube stuff out there. big e-40 fan.

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by stingy d on Jul 8, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i LOVE tribe.

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by Seth on Jul 8, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

big l is my favorite

we don’t have to talk about him on here, though, cuz

“fuck the glamor and glitz/i plan to get rich/i’m from new york but never was a fan of the knicks”

by Barnesgasm on Jul 7, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know the game plan.

L was just all about offendin people though.

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by stingy d on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

tribe is only aight

not gonna front. but i’m sayin. i flips for slick rick tho.

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by stingy d on Jul 8, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

love Tribe

really like any of the east-coast stuff. EPMD…anybody?

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

epmd beats!

i like epmd, rumor has it that erick sermon is the original gay mc.

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by stingy d on Jul 8, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's that one guy

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by Seth on Jul 7, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

so...

when is the posting and toasting nerd celebrity basketball all-star classic? i’ll bring my m.o.p. tapes and orange slices.

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by stingy d on Jul 7, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

i can take a hint

when’s the posting nd toasting mixtape comin out?

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by stingy d on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

and can we call it

“pause the mixtape”

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by stingy d on Jul 8, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Del? Tribe?

R those older rappers….keep it recent, im only 14! haha

by TheSportsGuru1 on Jul 9, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

sports guru at 14.

that was a comment best left in your head, kid.

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 9, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you remember patrick ewing?

i hate to put it this way, but how you answer that question will completely determine whether or not i listen to you

by Barnesgasm on Jul 9, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats rough guru

You probably don’t even remember a winning knicks team

Dinosaurs didn't exist because Carl Everett said so. Period.

by babyeater26 on Jul 9, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that means

born in 95 basically. 4 years old 99. we got one hell of a case study here boys.

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by stingy d on Jul 10, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh my goodness

are you old enough to have seen space jam

a very important question, but slightly less so than the ewing question

by Barnesgasm on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What!

     Yo! Is it even scientifically possible for someone to be a Knicks fan if they were born after 1995? Dag!
     Yo, my whole thing with Gangstarr was this “If these guys don’t even sound moderately interested in their music, why should I be?”
     If the Knicks start coming out to M.O.P., the Knicks could come out waving a Mop ala Patrick Ewing with the Broom. Of course, Bill and Fame would be mad disappointed that people still think M.O.P. stands for mop and…

by StarksMiddleFinger on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

"mash out posse", if i'm not mistaken

this came up on conversation with a friend last night. i contend that a posse by definition has more than two members, but mop and the insane clown posse appear to be the counterpoint to my argument

by Barnesgasm on Jul 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE NAME'S BILL

WHAT UP BIIILLLLLL!!!?!?!?!????

I’M A SEMIT-AUTOMATIC ADDICT FOR REAL!!!!!!!!

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by stingy d on Jul 10, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

SEMIT?

strollin through brownsville is like 4 parts.

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by stingy d on Jul 10, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haters !

Babyeater—I dont.
barnsgasm—Never seen him play live on TV or in person
Starksmiddlefinger—Yeah it is
stingy d—Im sick of u hatin on me all the time…u just like to disagree w/ everything I say

Hate on it below! \/\/\/\/\/\/

by TheSportsGuru1 on Jul 11, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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