The Knicks' offer to Grant Hill is a little beefier than we thought.
by Seth on Jul 8, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
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Contrary to a speculative report from yesterday, the Knicks will not be offering Grant Hill a one-year deal for about half the mid-level exception. Instead, they're giving the 36 year-old a couple of options. Says Frank Isola, Hill can either latch on for one year for $5 million, or stick around for three and reel in $10 million. Before you go fetch your pitchfork, remember that: 1. Hill's offer is just over half of what Jason Kidd's was. 2. He's not Jason Kidd. Donnie Walsh has now made it abundantly clear that he's willing to pay through the earholes for veteran savvy, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. At least Hill's still a half-decent baller and an awesome human being. Walsh and D'Antoni have seen far more of the locker room than we have (unless someone here is withholding some unprecedented access), and must feel it necessary to have some wise, wizened warriors around, especially with the departures of Malik Rose and Quentin Richardson. Personally? I say you toss a couple MLE bucks at Jacque Vaughn, who battled the Bulls with Stockton and Malone and won rings in San Antonio, and call it a day. But that's just me. I'm crazy like that.
It troubles me slightly that Walsh is willing to sign multi-year deals, but hasn't pursued Ramon Sesssions or anyone who, you know, will probably still be playing basketball competently three years from now. Maybe that's the next move.
Anyway, if Grant Hill joins the Knicks, it'll be for more bank than we expected. If management really believes that veteran leadership is New York's paramount concern, then so be it. It could be much worse. As today is the first day that free agent contracts can actually be signed, keep checking back for updates. Hopefully we'll be hearing more on this front, as well as the David Lee and Nate Robinson situations, later on.
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I'd like this if we more positions set. But not like this.
We should be going after Sessions.
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Sessions one could imagine with the team in four years
Whether he’s the guy they’d like at the point is another question, but at least it’s possible to imagine Ramon Sessions playing some role in a Knicks turnaround. Hill not so much.
Why should he want to come here, and why should Walsh be sweating for him? His veteran, half-coach role won’t matter on this roster. What young players is he mentoring who’ll be around in three seasons? For one year, maybe, and even then I don’t see why especially.
welll....
i sorta see the idea of having someone signed for more than a season. because you can’t just have basically the entire team on notice that their jobs are in jeopardy every new day. and they might have trouble developing chemistry with the belief that so and so is just out at season’s end. or just a trade chip.
not saying i agree, but i see the logic.
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not a big fan of the multi-year deal
but at least we’re talking about a 3yr$10M deal for a half-decent player that adds something to the locker room.
to put things in perspective, that’s a far departure from the Isiah era when the team was paying $30M over five years for a skinny forward that contributes nothing and is a mouth-breather. or a 5yr/$30M deal for an overweight, lazy, oft-injured center that couldn’t play. or using another MLE on a drunk.
ah, fiscal responsibility. drink it in.
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by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jul 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
Where will he play if we land him?
off bench taking minutes from gallo or will he start and wilson will play the 2?
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sounds like
off bench playing a lil point forward. aka alongside gallo/chandler rather than in place of them. hopefully.
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It sounds like he disqualified Boston because he wouldn’t start there and Mr. Pringles has said he envisions him at shooting guard.
Sounds fine to me. I don’t want him blocking Cock on the depth chart.
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by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so theoretically
the starting lineup could feature a hill-cock-hill arrangement at SG/SF/PF.
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by ny knickerbocker on Jul 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
word
or small forward, moving wil to the 2. as long as he’s not absorbing too many of the youngsters’ minutes i don’t care what they call it.
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wait they want him to start?
not a fan of this. was hoping for wil and gallo to play the 2 and the 3.
i guess this means d’antoni isn’t totally sold on the cock then. pringles might tell hill that he’s a starter now, but i bet gallo makes him choke on his words.
by latrell chokewell on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
call me crazy
but i bet pico de gallo rides the pine to start this season unless someone else really blows.
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rides the pine?
you mean as in gets no minutes?
i think he’s getting at least 15 mpg to start the season. maybe more if he’s completely healthy like he says.
we don’t have many guys who can shoot like him.
by latrell chokewell on Jul 9, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i was trying to make an elaborate dick joke
but i meant: rides the pine to start games. or comes off the bench. i’d venture to say he gets 15-20 for the first half and 25+ second half. depending on stuff
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i think we haven't pursued sessions because
no team in the league is chasing restrctied free agents. i think the only rfa to get an offer is gortat. the bucks let villanueva walk so they could be sure to have enough scrilla to match any offers on sessions. its the same thing that has led to crickets on the lee/robinson front.
as long as there are bonafide free agents out there, teams can’t risk having their money tied up in a waiting game. the bucks will absolutely match a mid-level exception. and if hill signs, we can’t even offer the full mid-level for sessions. we lost that one fellas.
i just hope we re-sign both lee and robinson. looks like we might be able to.
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i think its a great move
to be honest. I mean its one thing to have a vet with rings like jacque vaughn, but Grant Hill, despite being sans ring, has SO MUCH respect from all the players and coach D.
also, I think having Grant hill will do wonders for Wilson Chandlers shot selection and bball IQ, as Grant hill’s game used to be incredibly similar (albeit much much better lol). Also, like someone said about Grant playing a lil point forward, that allows us to keep Nate at the 2 when duhon is out on occassion, etc.
I jus think despite being old, and likely to get injured, its good. the question is…is him playing 82 games a fluke? and did Dantoni bring over some of that phoenix medical staff magic with him to NYC
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by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jul 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
he better have brought the medical staff
if grant hills glass bones are going to hold up for 3 years until he is 40…hopefully he takes the 1year deal
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I like Jacque Vaughn....
but I don’t buy his veteran leadership. Sure he’s won a ring and played with great players, but bottom line is Vaughn has been a bench guy his whole career. Francisco Elson was on that team too… nobody’s clammoring for his veteran leadership though…
Vaughn is a good guy, and like i said, i like him, but hes not a guy to be followed. Grant Hill.. he may not have a title, but every team he has played for, hes been a significant piece. I think he would have a bigger effect in the locker room than JV.
He’s lookin to start though, and I think his minutes will take away from Gallo, not Chandler. Hill will play SF/SG. But Hill wont be playin no 30+ minutes all season. Smart move by NY if they get him for cheap. And he is still the kind of guy who makes people around him better, AND the kind of player who LeBron can play with and will knock down shots.
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta hit you with the rebuddle!
I like Grant Hill as I’m sure most people do BUT I don’t want him on the Knicks sitting on the bench in a suit collecting paychecks and trying to amp the team up when we’re down 50 to whoever.
Is Jacque Vaughn a superstar. No. But he is a savvy vet who can be a locker room presence. He didn’t start in San Antonio but he was always prepared, always ready, and could make a contribution when his number was called. Those sort of things are invaluable because they take a certain amount of humbleness and humility to do; admitting you are no star, losing the ego and still giving it you’re all to do your job despite never getting that praise or recognition.
Now I’m not saying the Knicks should run out and sign Vaughn…what I am saying he is a much better option for us than Kidd or Hill. Do Kidd and Hill have more talent…Yeah, duh duh…I’m no idiot.
But they don’t have significant levels of talent to legitimize the contracts they are demanding from us.
Think about it…If Mark Cuban didn’t make a bonehead trade to send Devin Harris packing without having any other viable starting options at PG do you think he’d be so desperate to not only match the contract we offered Kidd but give him about 6 mil more?
If a desperate Mark Cuban was out of the equation how many other teams would offer J.Kidd 18 mil and 3 yrs at his current skill level?
PHX is offering Grant Over The Hill 2yrs at 2mil a yr at the max, which I believe is either the vets minimum or the bi-annual exception.
Who else besides the Knicks are ponying up full mid level offers for players with obviously declining skill sets!?!?
I’m sick of this shit!!!
My bad, but It’s like more of the same…It’s Malik Rose again.
Hill has played what…maybe 13 seasons now…and has only finished one full 82 game campaign in that time. ONE!!!
The Knicks get me angry…I feel like I’m in a bad relationship where we argue about the same shit over and over.
Vaughn aint the best talent but he’ll take minimum and will be happy AND healthy and will play hard when we need it. Not to mention the championships. And even as a bench player I’m willing to bet he has more leadership than anyone on our squad now and we won’t have to mortgage our future on him.
Vaughn is probably not the solution to our problems but it aint Hill.
The thing that reeeeallly burns me is that there are a host of other options …more reliable options….younger more upside options….older more sturdy options in 2009 that they haven’t even hollered at?
Just my opinion, but I think we may be in trouble.
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by Lord Smackington on Jul 9, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't like jacque vaughn
last week, a friend of mine and i were making a list of people who i wanted on the knicks less than jason kidd. mine was about 20 people long, three of them had the last name “collins” and one was jacque vaughn
grant hill
came to my jr. high school when I was in 7th grade.
Some kid won an upper deck contest where he pulled out a basketball card and it said he won. So grant hill came and gave us a little pep talk, and i was one of the kids that got to ask him a question. it was for like NBA reads or some shit like that.
Thats all it took to turn me into a big grant hill fan for life. I would be very happy if he was on the knicks.
3 years is a tad much. But its a good price at 3.3mil and I agree to the thought that he will help our ill cock sf combo.
i think sessions is a pipe dream. They have the room to sign him, and everything I have read says they plan to match anything thrown his way.
If the offseason ended with us adding hill, and either signing both nate and lee or using one in a S&T I will be happy.
The biggest thing to happen so far is the news that Curry is actually working his ass off and could get himself into trading shape by the time the season starts. If he comes out and avg’s 16 and 5 to start the season he can be traded.
10 mil total for 3yrs is waaay to much commitment for me.
Maybe he’ll play well and I’ll feel like a jackass, because I really do like Hill. But
I also use to like Antonio McDyess before the Knicks went out and got him…we all know how that wound up.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
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HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jul 9, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
So right now hills options apparently are
1) Boston – 1.9 mil over 1 year
2) Phoenix – 4 mil over 2 years
3) Knicks – 5 mil over 1 year
4) Knicks – 10 mil over 3 years
Apparently walsh thinks we really need grant
With cap shrinking next year we really don’t need him sitting the bench in 2011-2012 wasting cap space even if its only 3.3mil. Hopefully he takes the 1 year 5 million.
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