The Precarious David Lee Situation
Alan Hahn's article from late last night updates us on David Lee's free agency. Despite the bravado of his agent, Mark Bartelstein, Lee is hearing crickets from the other 29 NBA teams.
Lee is a restricted free agent and, as the NBA transaction moratorium lifted yesterday with the announcements of signings such as Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon (Pistons), Ron Artest (Lakers), Rasheed Wallace (Celtics), Antonio McDyess (Spurs) and Chris Andersen (Nuggets), Lee had not a single offer sheet tendered by any of the few teams with cap space. And, so far, the Knicks have unrestricted free agent Grant Hill at the top of the priority list as they await the 36-year-old's decision, which is expected soon.
If no teams approach Lee with an offer sheet, the Knicks, who by no uncertain terms want to keep Lee (thus eliminating the prospects of a reasonable sign-and-trade scenario), would eventually be left negotiating against themselves for their own player. So with cap space in 2010 at a premium -- especially with reports that suggest the cap could drop as low as $50 million in 2010-11 -- the Knicks might force Lee to take his one-year qualifying offer of $2.7 million for this season. Obviously not something Lee, who last season made equal to the league minimum at $1.4 million, wishes to do.
By rule, however, taking his qualifying offer would then make Lee an unrestricted free agent next summer, which means he could sign with any team. The Knicks own his Bird Rights and, therefore, can sign him to a bigger contract than any other team (and go over the cap while doing it). That's believed to be their selling point to Lee.
Herein lies the risk: Lee, who has seen fellow 2005 draft classmates such as Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum and Danny Granger sign lucrative extensions, might not feel any loyalty to the Knicks. And in 2010, about half of the league will have significant cap space.
This is a little awkward for us as fans, because most of us love David Lee and would really love to see him remain a Knick. At the same time, we've been quietly celebrating his lack of market value as an RFA. Where is the line drawn between paying Lee what he deserves and impinging on the dire cap situation in 2010? Only complicating matters is the fact that Lee is being uniformly low-balled while Jason Kidd and (maybe) Grant Hill get fat multi-year offers. I'd be satisfied with Lee being forced to take his qualifying offer if Kidd hadn't been looking at $18 million over 3 years. Donnie Walsh has made it clear that he's willing to shell out more years and dollars than we originally thought. That's fine, but I think his wallet's in the wrong place.
I suppose the best case scenario would be for Lee and his agent to take the three years at $8-ish million a year that the Knicks originally offered, assuming the deal is still on the table. Should the Knicks present Lee only the qualifying offer, it'll open up options for the summer of 2010, but also send a message about how loyal New York is to keeping young, valuable talent around. Since we haven't heard from Lee himself about any of this, it's hard to say how he feels about the situation, and whether his loyalty may be waning.
What do you guys think? Is low-balling Lee good business, or does it send the wrong message? Should the Knicks try and meet Lee's people halfway and give him a multi-year deal, or should they push the qualifying offer? If I'm badly misunderstanding how basketball finance works, let me know. I've been known to do that. Speak up in the comments.
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Keep Him
I would really love to keep Lee. I think the $8 million per year should be sufficient. We will have 57 forwards, but oh well.
Let’s give Lee a fair 4 to 5 year deal, we know what we’re getting with him. He’s a solid double double and a player I can get behind. I’d hate to not pay him, piss him off and have him leave town when he becomes unrestricted. (Ben Gordon in Chicago)
I feel saving all the money for the summer of 2010 is a bit of a gamble. History has shown more often than not, that big names resign with their teams. Those teams offer familiarity as well as the biggest contract. I’d hate to lose David Lee, have lebron and wade resign with their squads and our big-2010-fish come in the forms of Tyrus Thomas and Roger Mason. Neither is gonna change a franchise.
What I’m trying to say is let’s not kill ourselves preparing for a market where we’re not exactly sure who is going to be available.
forgot to mention
that the fact that anderson varejao’s making like a quarter billion for six years only makes things more tense.
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But that's the system
Chris Duhon is making more than Derrick Rose. Varejoa couldn’t get his money as a RFA either. If Lee wants to be angry at someone let it be at the union for agreeing to these restrictions. No one makes decisions based on loyalty, anyways.
good points
i will never be a good businessman. this stuff is so ugly.
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I think the Knicks should offer him…..
A one year deal for about $8 or 9 million. This way, he makes the money he wants this year, but can still leave next off season. But because he is making the money he wants he might still feel some loyalty to NY and be willing to resign next year.
If that doesn’t work, they could also offer a multi year deal with an opt out option after one year. Maybe about $6million the first year than increasing from then on.
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Doesn't matter
According to Hahn’s blog post, which provides even more info, the “cap hold” for Lee will be like $8.5MM anyway. That’s the amount that the Knicks will need to keep on their cap if they want to maintain his “Bird rights”. So having Lee sign the Q offer doesn’t accomplish anything.
The best bet would be to sign him for $6-7MM per year. He’s simply not going to get more than that in the market. This year or next.
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by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 9, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
well
he’d be pretty tradeable if he signed the QO, no?
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Yes and no
We’d have to trade him for someone making around $2MM. The only valuable guys in that category are ones on their rookie contract. Teams don’t give them up that easily.
"Ariza on Mobley, trying to put some chillin on his thrillin"
"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 9, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But he could be combined
with Jeffries or Curry and sent to a contender in a salary dump. (Not endorsing it, just saying it’s a possibility.)
I'd endorse it.
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"Vexing D, makes you hurry, makes you worry"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 9, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee deserves 8 to 9
I mean Villanueva and Varejeo are getting about that much. I’d say 8-9 for 3yrs If he turned it down before then his agent better talk sense into him. I love having Lee on the team but D Lee needs to D up if he wants multi year deals for 10 and up
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by Lord Smackington on Jul 9, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
Business is business as you are well aware D Lee
There is a good reason why they say, “In business thereare no friends”. I love David Lee who I have met in person. David through his agent is seeking $12 million per annum. He is taking care of his business so let the Knicks handle their business and give him what is going to put the Knicks in the best situation given the current cap situation.
12 mil a season?!?!
wow I didn’t know that…if thats true it sounds like Lee is really trying to rape the Knicks OR Lee’s agent has been lying to him about his worth and should really be fired. I dont even think Artest made that much on his new contract!
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jul 9, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can get it...
its good for him. I haven’t heard or read $12 Mil per, but its an agents job to get the most he can. If a team is willing to pay it, then don’t blame the player. But of course you ask for the moon. Unfortunately, with loyalty… you guys remember Carlos Boozer in Cleveland? They let him out of his rookie contract early so he could get his big extension. Management putting big money in their own players pocket voluntarily?! Are you kidding me??!! Well…Boozer’s appreciation of that favor was immediately bailing to Utah. Dickhead. Glad he’s been injured. I think Lee will stay if he doesn’t feel lowballed, or if he has to take a small salary, the Knicks plan to reward him next year. The whole point of this is to make NY an attractive destination for FAs. If they see how NY treats its own, they might be less likely to sign here.
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 9, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he'd be stupid not to
he’d be dumb not to take 12 if anyone offered it . I really want him to be here for the next dozen years to be honest, but whoever offers him 12 is over paying. And that’s not denying his talent, that’s just the market right now. Portland is sitting on a ton of money, so if Lee was a good deal at 12 he’d be in a blazers uni by now. If his agent has been shopping him at 12 he’s doing him a disservice because when other teams don’t value him as a 12 million dollar player and pass on him then he’s stuck with a bunch of low ball offers he’ll have to take as camp rolls in, just so he can find a team. By Over valuing his player the agent eventually loses all leverage for his client if no one buys the bluff and overpays for him.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jul 9, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
CCF, I would also like to add...that is the most awesome avatar/logo/pic (whateva its called) evvvvvver!
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee for the right price
I’d love to keep him on the team but his lack of D makes me worried about paying too much. 6-7 a year sounds good, 12 in this market is a pipe dream.
by upstateknickerbocker on Jul 9, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
i wonder if
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