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Hahn: "As Duhon goes, so go the Knicks".

It might be hard to remember, but Chris Duhon has played decent basketball at points in his Knick career, even this season. It's always seemed like the Knicks flourish when Duhon has it going, and struggle when he gets all limp and lifeless. Alan Hahn took a look (paywall) at Du's monthly splits, and the numbers don't lie:

Let's review the direct impact the point guard position has had on the Knicks this season:

In October, the team was 0-3. Duhon shot 26.9% from the field and 14.3% from three-point range. He averaged 7.7 points and 6.3 assists.

In November, the team was 3-11. Duhon shot 28.3% from the field and 24.1% from three. His numbers dipped to 6.9 points and 6.1 assists.

In the successful month of December, the team went 9-6. Duhon's numbers were the best of the season: 43.2% from the floor and 46.3% from beyond the arc. His scoring was up to 12.1 points and 6.9 assists.

Here in January, the team is 5-6 so far and check out Duhon's numbers: 30.8% field goals, 29.8% threes and his production is a season-low 5.3 points and 5.4 assists.

So, factually speaking, as Duhon goes, so go the Knicks.

Or perhaps it's better to say, production at the point guard position is so obviously critical to the team's success.

Believe your eyes. Chris Duhon's far more talented than his recent numbers suggest, but the Knicks will probably continue to struggle until he rediscovers his offense. It's either that or somebody else takes over, but I fear that's not likely.

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he never drives

all the way.. i see him have a open laneafter a pick and roll or on a fast break, and he will hesitate, slow down. or make a pass(more bad passes than good). im just tired of seeing the same things from him. he is regressing in my eyes. his ceiling was the first half of LAST season

by semsemma on Jan 25, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

smh..

I dont know why it hasn’t happened yet, but put larry hughes in duhon’s spot. i actually liked hughes play at the point earlier in the season… larry had streak of games to where he doesnt shoot well, and gets put deep in the bench.. duhon has a streak of sets of games to where he plays like me on the court.. and he still starts.. huh?!?!?!

dwtdd? l hughes? nate? cmon dantoni.. now is the time to fold the hand duhon has dealt us and let someone else have a try and ruuning the point. we have so many different options here.

by semsemma on Jan 25, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

so as far as a solution goes...

is there none? I swear to god, if duhon starts tomorrow I’m going to break something…ha i remember earlier this season when we were getting annihilated (circa our 1-9 start) a fan angrily threw his t-shirt rocket shirt back on the garden floor, genius! Only I wish it landed on Dudu Man- covering his head in shame-

I want DWTDD and or Hughes in that starting lineup damnit!

by dpileofashes on Jan 25, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

rediscover what?

I think that Duhon has always been inconsistent with bouts of lost shooting confidence. It’s who he is, despite the skills he sometimes displays and the rolls he gets on. He’s not really helping but what are the options? Hughes? Yes, he has some point guard skills. But he doesn’t want to be a point guard and he’s prone to taking bad shots which is what we’ve seen from him after a good stretch. Douglas looks tentative and not ready and N8 is N8. But i do believe we are headed for a N8/toney rotation.

by fuhry on Jan 25, 2010 1:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i agree

with douglas being hesitant.. i was gonna touch on that point as well but i think that is evident only becuase he hasnt recieved much playing time combined with him being a rook.. his hesitations will fade.. just as gallo’s did, and what hill’s are doing.

by semsemma on Jan 25, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This one kinda falls on Donnie

Du averaged like 20 min a game for his career and we brought him in to play 40 min a game with no backup. The idea was to ride him hard for two years (pause) on a cheap contract then find a real PG. Unfortunately, he’s broken down faster than that.

In limited minutes, TD hasn’t looked like much of a passer. Not sure I’d trust him in limited minutes, let alone extended minutes. Sadly, Hughes might be the best way to go. He can’t shoot worse than Du (he’ll try), and he’s more versatile on D. But, ugh, Larry Hughes

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

td

played pg and sg in college… at the same time. hes more of a combo guard because of how he played at florida state.

by enron4515 on Jan 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What are we going to do?

There are no good free agent points this summer.

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jan 25, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

knicks wont need a pg

if they sign wade and lebron. cmon walsh, were tired of your excuses. make it happen.

by enron4515 on Jan 25, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong

Wade is more of a SG and L-Word, good as he is, is not a PG either. For years, the Cavs have been looking for a solid PG fpr him. Now they have Mo Williams, who is very solid.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 25, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

TD can be point

if Leb**n is there to help initiate the offense. TD has struggled because all of the playmaking responsibility seems to fall on him when he is in there with AL, JJ, etc. I could see him setting things up and knocking down the jumper when Leb**n drives. TD is mo williams-esque.

by Ray Smuckles on Jan 25, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

there are point guards to be had on the open market.

not elite ones, but sergio rodriguez and t.j. ford come to mind. not ideal, obviously, but it’s not a completely lost cause.

by Seth on Jan 25, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i was actually joking

but i see it made for good discussion, so youre welcome

by enron4515 on Jan 25, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

TJ Ford might be interesting

He’s a DNP in Indy right now, though Bird does seem to like him and apparently is hesitant to move him.

I’d be ok with the Turtle coming out of retirement and running the point though.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 25, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Rodriguez. Rather not have T.J. "season tickets to the hospital" Ford.

Luke Ridnour?

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Jan 25, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

if u have lebron and wade you dont need a good pg. u throw lebron n wade on the knicks today and leave the roster as is and we will still be competing for a ring.

when the games on the line you dont ask the pg to set up lebron or kobe or wade. they just do it themselves. they may not be real point guards but part of why they are so coveted is because they can make the passes and run the offense even from the forward or sg position.

by karamjitm9090 on Jan 25, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i think the only time i tend to comment is when i go on a chris duhon sux rant

hes a great backup, but its gotta end there. when he plays more than 15 he becomes completely useless and actually makes ppl around him worse because of the way he stalls the offense and doesnt get teammates the ball in good aggressive positions. david lee has become our best creator, the same david lee who never used to have a single play called for him and instead had to get involved offensively by getting offensive rebounds. now commands the entire offense. i say we take a shot on sergio rodriguez, hes fast and aggressive, 2 things duhon is not. he is turnover prone tho, so maybe veteran t.j. is a better option- hes quick too

by KnickWiz on Jan 25, 2010 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

keep in mind

marburys deal in china is only for 1 year. maybe he can be lured back to the states.

by enron4515 on Jan 25, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

if steph didn't burn every bridge

here and D’Antoni and him didn’t hate each other he has some skills that probably could help this team.

by DoctorK16 on Jan 25, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring me Toney Douglas

He’s tentative cause he’s looking to get yanked everytime he makes a mistake and get buried for 2 weeks. We know what N8 can do we know about NoCanDu. Let us see pretty Toney and his fishcale and see if he can run the point in MSG.

by DoctorK16 on Jan 25, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

why not try starting TD. the offense gets funneled thorugh DLee anyways, so the pressure of TD having to set up players is not that big. he can come off some screens, take people off the dribble and finish around the rim.

at least he gives us a drive and kick threat, which Duhon does not and he has the ability to pester the opposing guards on defense.

by LJ2 on Jan 26, 2010 6:59 AM EST reply actions  

The Subpeona is right

This is on Donnie Walsh. Chris Duhon has always been inconsistent and deficient. He was overpaid for in the first place. He most definitely has skills. He doesn’t use them because he has no heart and no hunger.

Duhon does drive — right by the basket to make guess-passes that often end up in the guests hands. It was a bad acquisition from day one when we needed a quality PG not a back-up from the Chicago Bulls.

Resident Incidental General Manager at Knicks Fanatics Blog

by IGMKNICKS on Jan 26, 2010 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

By the way,

Over at Newsday they have been getting trickier and trickier with blocking the Knicks fix. But I discovered a way to view it, not comment or anything, but at least read the entries, and I don’t think it’s illegal.

<a href="http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsday.com%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks%2Fthe-knicks-fix-1.812055&lp=zt_en&btnTrUrl=Translate" target="new">try this

by fuhry on Jan 26, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Really a shame...

but its true.

Its not really Duhon..its just who the PG is, cuz if they had a decent one it could help a whole lot.

Nate is probably the ideal one..but he’s just too out of control. If he could be under control, he’s a good 3pt shooter, very fast and can score at the hole..and when he is under control, he can make good passes.

…its a shame, cuz the Knicks ideal PG probably is on the roster..he just refuses to become it.

You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 26, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Re the headline of this post

It doesn’t matter, so long “as Duhon goes.”

Then all will be better.

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jan 26, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

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