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Smart People on the Knicks' Success

I don't have much of significance to say today, so I'll pass you off to two giants of the basketblogosphere who've recently penned interesting articles on these rising Knicks. It appears that Mike D'Antoni has found a way to play to his roster's strengths.

Mike Kurylo of Knickerblogger as identified some of the overriding tenets of the D'Antoni system in New York. One of several strengths he mentions:

Over the life of KnickerBlogger, I’ve criticized Knick coaches for not putting out a lineup that forced the opposition to adjust to New York’s strengths. And this is exactly what D’Antoni does. If you watched the Indiana game, Hibbert looked like a slow plodding dinosaur against the more agile Knicks.

Indeed. Click through for more of the "D'Antoni rules".

Meanwhile, Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus (who tackled the Knicks' slow start with much aplomb) is back at it, combing through the data to pinpoint the trends in New York's recent success. A taste:

The most surprising change is in terms of the Knicks' pace. The coach once known for his ":07 Seconds or Less" philosophy is now practicing something more akin to ":15 Seconds or Less." Through the end of November, New York was playing at the league's third-fastest pace. Since then, the Knicks have been more deliberate than the average team, playing old-fashioned track meets only against running teams like Indiana and Phoenix. D'Antoni slowed things down when the Suns traded for Shaquille O'Neal, but even that adjustment was nowhere near this extreme.

Almost as much as the fast pace, poor rebounding--especially on the offensive glass--had been a D'Antoni trademark, and New York was no exception early this season. Only the Golden State Warriors have rebounded fewer of their own misses than the Knicks in November (21.4 percent). Since the end of that month, New York is up to a 25.3 percent offensive rebound rate, which is within shouting distance of league average. The Knicks are rebounding better on the defensive end too, making use of a big starting lineup (6'8" Wilson Chandler, once groomed for the Shawn Marion role in D'Antoni's lineup, is now nominally the two-guard) that assists anchor David Lee on the glass by committee.

So, a lot of it has to do with atypical adaptability on the part of D'Antoni. If you read on, Pelton also gives credit to a few Knick players who've improved mightily since the season's opening month (including players that he singled out in his first article). He also warns that some of the positive statistics might be tough to keep afloat:

I'm willing to accept New York as one of the best three-point defenses in the league, if not the best, but 25.2 percent shooting beyond the arc is unsustainably low. As we saw with the Miami Heat earlier this season, fluky three-point shooting by opponents can make a defense look a lot better than it is. Expect the Knicks' D to regress slightly going forward.

It's pretty wild to imagine the Knicks as anywhere near a competent three-point defending team, let alone an elite one, but it seems that's been part of the success. I have been noticing an unusual number of missed open threes from opponents (while Nate was torching Atlanta, they were bricking gimmes), so we'll see how that number holds up.

Good stuff. Just to pass along a couple other things I've been staring at this morning, check out New York's Hot Spots for the early going (Might post on this soon.), as well as David Lee's detailed shooting numbers. The man is shooting as confidently and accurately as it appears to the naked eye. Also, take a look at Jared Jeffries' splits for November vs. December. I can't help but notice how well those two complement each other.

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not to be a dick or anything

but the first link dont work and there is no link for the 2nd article.

and to be a dick… you smell.

(im just kidding, I am nowhere near you, I dont know if you smell or not).

by gbaked on Jan 5, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

fixed

thanks for the heads-up. never be afraid to point out stuff like that. i’m sloppy, especially when i’m halfway out the door to the dentist.

also, i smell fucking brilliant right now. no cavities either.

by Seth on Jan 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You obviously

Share Jared Jeffries’ passion for dental hygeine.

by fuhry on Jan 5, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

jared is my hygienist

he gave me extra floss cause i like the knicks

by Seth on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

you kno

i actually used to get the rubber bands on my braces in blue and orange back in the day.

i had lots of friends.

by Seth on Jan 5, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like how Mike Kurylo describes the rotation

“D’Antoni’s rotation is much like you’d expect from a playoff team. The best guys (according to him) get the lions share of the minutes, a few other guys come in for breathers, and everyone else has front row seats to an NBA game. "

Heh. Front row seats. That’s a terrific way to put it. I love it.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

i wouldn't mind

making a few million a year to sit in front row seats and get unlimited gatorade and towels

by Seth on Jan 5, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

someone should tell curry and hughes that...

.. look at the positives boys you’re both getting paid over 10 mil a year to watch ball in the best stadium in the world in the best seats in the house. Sounds good to me.

by Wildgoose on Jan 7, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

They shouldn't be complaining, but

I don’t know if the seats are really that great. Lee has to be pretty smelly when he comes out of the game. Maybe that’s why Pringles doesn’t take him out more often.

It would definitely explain wny Duhon stays on the court and upwind.

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jan 7, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

you know...

it strikes me as very strange that D’Antoni has a reputation as a “Players Coach”. However, it seems like he is anything BUT a players coach. He doesn’t seem t have any communication with his players and his adjustments come very sparingly. I mean, I guess if you are a big time all-star and you are expected to carry the team, you like him because you are gonna get minutes no matter what… but otherwise… I can see most players hating him. eh?

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 5, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

I, uh, don't, uh...have a Newsday subscription...

but Seth, you are a most excellent host,if I may say.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

when i post links to hahn's articles

does everybody get to see them under my username?

or does nobody get to see them?

or do a lot of you have optimum online/ newsday subscriptions?

the first two options would probably be bad.

by Seth on Jan 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i figure that might be the case with a lot of people

i sort of forgot since i have a subscription, but there’s no sense in me linking all these hahn articles if nobody can read them. i also don’t wanna lift parts of his work if it’s supposed to cost money to see em. pain in the ass.

by Seth on Jan 5, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

cant read em

i thought i was the only one

by Ray Smuckles on Jan 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't either

and now rely solely on p&t.

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by stingy d on Jan 5, 2010 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

no

you are not alone.

by gbaked on Jan 5, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

funny thing though

I can still read Hahn’s blog (the Knicks Fix) though I can’t comment on it or read comments… unless he does one of those live chat things and I can actually submit questions on that if I happen to catch it while it’s going on.

by fuhry on Jan 5, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahah

I Know what you’re doing… im doing the same thing. I can read “Knicks Fix”… but i just can’t comment or join any live chats.

by Choggs on Jan 5, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

what are you doing?

because the Knicks Fix was the only thing I really liked reading on Newsday…

by gbaked on Jan 6, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this link works

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055

You kind of have to scroll around the message that says you have to update your account. But I’m on a kind of older version of IE, so it’s possible this wouldn’t work on some browsers.

by fuhry on Jan 6, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, stupid Newsday

every other newspaper or magazine will let you read their articles. Cheap bastards.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 6, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

there's no comments to read on the fix anyway...

… have a look like 3 comments for each story. shit there used to be around a hundred. Who tries to charge for a log, that’s just stupid.

by Wildgoose on Jan 7, 2010 6:28 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i can see them charging for the content that is in the paper… but the blog should be open to everyone.

by gbaked on Jan 7, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the rebounding numbers have a lot to do with Gallo.

He’s starting to realize that he’s just as athletic as the next white guy in this league.
With great confidence comes great responsibility.

I expect Gallo to average 6 boards a game in the month of March.

"I'll probably go get lifted right now with Greg. Hey, and come back tomorrow and try to get another win."

-Renaldo

by solanumbrella on Jan 5, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

the knickerblogger (one of the best blog names ever)

article is good… but even better are the comments.

They are like well researched articles.

by gbaked on Jan 5, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Irrational rant comparing eric mangini and mike dantoni

Man this is weird…. I live in ohio and Im a Browns fan. I started the season hating eric mangini for many reasons but most of it had to do with him being an ass hole to players and trading away everyone I like- fast forward to the end of the NFL season and 4 straight wins later with great Defense and a better running game and Im all over this dude, praying he doesnt get fired.
At the beginning of the basketball season I hated Dantoni and him benching Nate was the icing on the cake- fast forward like a few weeks? later and now after reading things like this and winning at a decent clip and im changing my tune. I like this trend.

by Turbofire on Jan 6, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

David Lee = Charles Oakley

Stingy D wrote on one of his comments I read about seeing Oak really develop that jumper of the course of his time at NYC….and I think we’re all seeing it with DLee now. He’s shooting twice the # of jumpers in the 16-23 range (pick and pop anyone?) and shooting 11% better as compared to last year.

I enjoyed both pieces, especially Pelton’s about all the improved D. Gotta love the adjusments D’Antoni finally made..

by philee on Jan 7, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously though

Your point is well taken about Lee’s developing jumpshot. But baby butterflies to burst into blue flame every time someone compares David Lee to Charles Oakley. The defense-the intimidation-it’s just not there. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve really become a big fan of David Lee and I think he’s awesome. But I’d rather compare him to Bernard King. You probably think I’m kidding.

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not comparing D

Obviously DLee doesn’t contain the nastiness of Oak, just comparing the developing jumper is all, as pointed out by Stingy D in an earlier comment one another post.

And Bernard King?! My eyes are bleeding…

by philee on Jan 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

bernard?

yea my asshole bleeds for that one. i remember this comment i made. it was from perhaps yesterday. maybe even today! but i just remember oak tree was strictly a rebounder/bruiser. couldn’t really be relied on to make that jumper. but as time passed, things changed. his calling card was still the rebounding and intimidation. but he banged corner jumpers every, every, every time. i almost hoped for the oakley corner jumper more than a ewing post up!

but anyway, i was only comparing the development of the jump shot shit. and perhaps the desire to get better.

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by stingy d on Jan 7, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumb Guy on the Knicks' Success

I think they just got lucky in January. Barring a major roster move, I can’t see this team winning more that 35 games. That said, if D’Antoni really has adjusted to his new reality, there is a huge serving of crow waiting for me. I have been calling for him to be fired since Day 1.

by chin8tao on Jan 8, 2010 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

msg puts the cliche in your head

they got the mike d’antoni show and they try to ask him questions and give him 7 seconds to respond. and mike breen is sittin there like a cock smoker prefacing his idiotic line of questioning by saying he guesses it “17 seocnds or less” and d’antoni has to shrug it off, like god damn, one fuckin guy gets close to some team i used to coach, and makes a name for himself by writng some book about how i completely changed nba basketball, and i’m not allowed to be the type of coach i am anymore??

well yo, d’antoni is known as a player’s coach, not because he let’s the players walk all over him, and not because he forces his players to take tons of shots as quickly as possible. he is a player’s coach because he creates schemes to try and incorporate every player he has in a way that allows them to be successful. the suns were absolutely phenomenal at scoring and passing. so that was the biggest advantage he had in phoenix. and he exposed other teams that coudln’t keep up.

look boss, we all thought jared jeffries was the worst damned player to ever put on a knicks uni, and now we look lost when he isn’t anchoring the defense! coach d put jeffries in a position to succeed. pause. and he does that for everybody. he utilizes strengths to create mismacthes. and he does it better than at probably 25 other coaches in the league.

just let mike cook.

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by stingy d on Jan 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

35 games

Will be almost enough to get us to the playoffs.

I’ll take it.

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jan 9, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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