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Knicks 98, Raptors 93: "You look like you've been pulling your hair."

Right around the time the final buzzer sounded and I changed the channel to Bulls-Thunder, my housemate stepped into my room and noted that my jewfro was looking especially fluffy. It's that time of year, again, friends. The Knicks won their season opener in Toronto in hair-pulling fashion, stumbling into the final buzzer with a precarious five-point lead. It got scary, but a win is a win, and the Knicks certainly did some things right to get there.

Wilson Chandler led New York in scoring off the bench, Amar'e Stoudemire recorded a double-double (nearly a triple-double, but we'll talk about that later), and the Knicks made up for lackluster late-game offense with some stout D. More on all of the above after the jump.

Star-divide

- After a pretty even first quarter, the Knicks' second unit burst out to a big double-digit edge early in the second. Then, as quickly as they darted ahead, the Knicks blew their lead on a few Roger Mason gaffes and some terrible transition defense. It's probably not cool of me to pin the entire collapse on Mason, but it is really convenient. Really, though, after going scoreless for the first 4 or 5 minutes of the quarter, the Raptors chipped the lead down to 10. Once the first units returned, the Knicks' defense totally gave way and the Raps cut it close going into the half. Still, it was totally Roger Mason's fault.

- Early on, the Knicks did a very poor job protecting the rim and rebounding. Part of this was because Timofey Mozgov got in early foul trouble and left the floor. To my eye, though, it was the presence of Andrea Bargnani that really caused problems. Mozgov, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Wilson Chandler all took turns sticking Bargnani, and his prowess from outside demanded that one of those rebounders stray far away from the paint. This created plenty of easy O-bounds for Reggie Evans and also permitted the Raptor guards to streak into the paint with minimal confrontation. Meanwhile, Bargnani had no problem draining jumpers over even the best of close-outs. It was really obnoxious.

- Jarrett Jack committed an unforced turnover in the first quarter by stepping on the sideline. Clyde: "That's inexplicable. Actually, it's despicable".

- Mike D'Antoni played 10 men in the first 10 minutes of this game. Unless Mason plays himself out of the rotation, I'd expect those ten to spin every night. I would not, however, expect D'Antoni to dump 'em all out in the first quarter again.

- When Mozgov succumbed to foul trouble, Wilson Chandler was the first man off the bench. As long as this starting lineup is in place, expect a lot of early departures for Mozgov, with either Chandler or Ronny Turiaf replacing him, depending on the match-up.

- Am I going to have to hear this Eminem song during every MSG broadcast this season? I'm not sure I can handle that.

- Maybe Gian or some other smart individual can identify how this happened, but the Knicks actually out-rebounded the Raptors in this one (49-45, including 13-12 on the offensive glass). I fancy myself a pretty astute observer of basketball, but that swing in glass-minding completely evaded my notice.

- After some truly brilliant stretches of getting over screens and trapping in preseason, the Knicks went right back to the "switch everything" defense tonight. I like that strategy for individual possessions, but I can only watch Toney Douglas try to contest jumpers by Bargnani and David Andersen for so long. New York has way too much individual defensive talent to let opponents stroll into mismatches. I'd really like to see Toney and Raymond Felton blazing through screens while Stoudemire and Turiaf hedge like rabid wolverines. Attack in the backcourt, force turnovers, and run the break. Don't switch! Scramble and recover! You do not get to win, David Andersen! We do! Alright, rant over.

- I can't believe we didn't think of this in advance, but there is a major problem with Landry Fields's spot in the starting lineup. Since they're roughly the same size and color, have similar hairstyles, and wear geometrically indistinguishable numbers, Fields and Danilo Gallinari look identical on the court. It's not just an issue on my little TV, either. When a light-skinned, pointy-haired person in blue fell hard on his back, Kenny Albert joined the rest of us in worrying that Danilo Gallinari was injured. It turned out to be Fields (not that that's any less frightening, but, well...you know), and he turned out to be fine. Seriously, though, if somebody sitting courtside can't tell them apart, then we have a serious aesthetic conundrum on our hands. I see only one viable solution, and it's frosted tips for Landry.

- The Raptors are a really ugly team. I'm not going to name names, but the Knicks should always be favored in this match-up on handsomeness alone.

- Clyde one-upped Mike Crispino's "Linas Klee-ayza" from last week with some "Linas Klay-zer"s of his own.

- The Knicks blocked ten shots! 10! X! On purpose! With their hands!

Some individual performances of note:

- Reggie Evans did a great job frustrating Amar'e Stoudemire with his Reggie Evans-ness. He picked up Stoudemire early in the position, granting him only outside possession and forcing him to put the ball on the floor. Those bouts of dribbling (as well as a handful of entry hospital passes) got Amar'e nine (9! IX!) turnovers. Stoudemire is much, much better when he's either working off the ball or starting his drives from around the elbow, and he realized that in the late fourth. The Captain bucked and pushed his way into the paint, caught the ball, and went to work for three easy baskets and some trips to the line down the stretch. Not every defender will be as dirty dogged as Evans is, but tonight was a good in exercise in beating the opponent down the floor and establishing position for Amar'e. As I said in preseason, it's a really magical feeling to have someone who can just will his way to baskets in crunch time.

- I don't know when nor where Landry Fields learned to make three-pointers go in the basket, but I love it. Fields, as expected, was quietly brilliant in his debut. He canned 3 of 6 line drive threes (I want to call them "Landry Lasers", but it just makes me wish his name was Kleiza so I could say "Klay-zer" like Clyde), played fairly active defense, and scrapped for loose balls and rebounds. I'd call Day 1 of Fields in the starting lineup a success.

- On a similar note, Day 1 of Wilson Chandler as sixth man went splendidly. As I mentioned, Wil entered the game early and played an excellent 29 minutes of basketball off the bench. He didn't pull too much (1-3) from outside, and found most of his team-leading 22 points in transition, on the drive, and from those offbeat, stop-and-pop-on-a-dime midrange jumpers he loves so much. Toss in 8 rebounds and you've got a splendid night's work from Mr. Chandler.

- Danilo Gallinari's line wasn't totally abhorrent (3-9, 2-5 from downtown, 4-4 from the line, 12 points, 6 boards), but he never really made his presence felt in this one. Gallo missed a number of jumpers that he'd usually sink blindfolded and lathered in pancake syrup, and continued his preseason trend of driving directly into the teeth of the defense. It seems like part of the reason for the latter issue is that Danilo takes so long to set up his drives (back up 5 feet, try 3 or 4 crossovers, THEN drive), that he wastes any lanes created by ball movement up to that point. He either needs to be more or less decisive in his drives. He's neither quick nor strong enough to run through three or four defenders, so he'll have to get it done with better timing. All of that said, Danilo rebounded, stuck with Linas Kleiza most of the time, and generally contributed in other regards. This stands in stark contrast to...

- ...Roger Mason. Not to pile on the guy, but he really hasn't done a single thing besides missing jumpers as a Knick.

- Raymond Felton's jumper wasn't falling, but he's really a monster in transition. Felton's ability to step on the gas and finish before the defense sets is a weapon the Knicks haven't possessed since the days before Stephon Marbury had a tattooed head. Raymond also notched 6 rebounds and 6 assists to supplement his 15 points. That's a pretty respectable line, considering that it wasn't a particularly great game for the little dude.

- Toney Douglas did a fair enough job of scoring (and distributing a little) from either guard spot, but I wasn't pleased with the way he defended in this one. After all his hardcore antics in preseason, I was disappointed to see Toney ducking under screens and playing Jarrett Jack wayyyy to closely on the perimeter. Also, Douglas really shouldn't play 27 minutes without a steal. That's not WTDD. (To be fair, I think he should have been credited with one in the fourth quarter.

- Before injuring some part of his torso when Amar'e Stoudemire tripped over his fallen body, Ronny Turiaf was having a quietly dominant game on defense. He registered 4 blocks and 2 steals and frightened plenty of Raptors in his 27 minutes. Ronny even ran the pick-and-roll with Douglas nicely, dropping 8 points, including an earth-shaking Safari Slam.

- Bill Walker needs to chill. I love watching play the role of aggressor, but some deep breathing is just what the doctor ordered. His 0-6 goose egg belies what was actually a decent batch of shots. Bill just ought to relax a bit.

- Last note: As Osborn noted in our post-game sexting, gutting out a 1. close win in a 2. season opener on the 3. road isn't something last year's Knicks would have done. Sure, it was the Raptors, but those aren't things to be overlooked.

Alright, friends. It wasn't pretty, but winning unpretty games is something that playoff teams learn to do. A win is a win, and the Knicks are on top of the world at 1-0.  I'm going to take a night to ruminate on this one, and we'll have more to discuss tomorrow. Congratulations on being a fan of an undefeated basketball team!

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Postgame Thread: Knicks 98, Raptors 93

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This was a good recap.

I write about basketball players with Ridiculous Upside. I know you'll love it.

by Scott Schroeder on Oct 28, 2010 1:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

thanks!

i guess you could say i read fast

by tmac1337 on Oct 28, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be honest, I skipped the recap-y looking stuff and went straight to the meat and potatoes. (Jarrett Jack is meat and potatoes, right?)

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by Scott Schroeder on Oct 28, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Seth!

TBJ gave you a shoutout in the latest TBJ episode. Pretty ill when I was listening to it on podcast.

by int3nsee on Oct 28, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

Startled me awake this morning!

by Seth on Oct 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both our teams won without LePew tonight!

I'm a diehard Cavs fan, proud to say I never owned a LeBron jersey.
Seattle Storm: 2010 WNBA Champions!
2010 Finals MVP: Lauren Jackson!
God bless Sue Bird, who is 10x classier, 100x more persevering, and A THOUSAND TIMES more clutch than LeBron could ever hope to be.

by WaveOcean on Oct 28, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions  

seth man you write the best recaps

but i think we need to see some more cursing involved… i mean you dont have to curse to be hysterical… but hell its a lot more funny when you do… either way good job and i hope we get recaps like this every game.. in fact i demand it! :)

by Jack P on Oct 28, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Traveled from Buffalo across the border to catch this one..

$20 for an upper deck seat. Great time.

From up top of the Canada Centre, it was hard to distinguish Fields and Chandler from each other, partially because both stepped up tonight, particularly on defense. Chandler’s D on Barbosa in the corner at the end of the game was beautiful. Also nice to see Amare dominate during that one clutch stretch in the fourth quarter.

Great recap, too.

by D. Sanchirico on Oct 28, 2010 2:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Mason is a pointy eared elf.

If he can get it together and start hitting his shots he’ll be a big part of our rotation. There’s no doubt in my mind that if he was playing like he should he would be our starting SG. I’m hoping he can turn it around. Although the majority of my judgement comes from watching him in the preseason, he still seems to only make me sick.

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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 28, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

finished watching this on league pass a few minutes ago

accurate and entertaining recap as always, seth.

With all the talk of how Gallo or Randolph will need to step up to be Robin to Amare’s Batman, Silent Will was once again overlooked. Fortunately, he continues to let his game talk for him. Great effort from the Chandy Man (who can make the sunrise?).

Mozgov, please stay on the floor AND stay aggressive.

And as for MiketheIntern’s comment, I agree Mason’s capable, but no point in getting there only to have Buike take it away. Let’s remember we’re still missing our best option at the 2, best perimeter defender, and a talented shooter, slasher, and rebounder for his position. Come back soon and healthy, KeBuike.

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Oct 28, 2010 2:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Buike is seriously being overlooked.

I included may overlook him at times. When that guy comes back and he’s ready to play… Steps us up to an entirely different, level. I think we need to get together and send that man a get well soon card… You know what, that’s not a bad idea. I’ll make him a e-card and send it to his twitter. I’m such a lovable guy…

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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 28, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

lets just hope that he can recover

from one of the worst injuries you can experience as a bball plaiyyy-ya (pops)

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com did something like this a few season ago

and they sent Larry a learn to shoot DVD for his birthday. I could get behind a get well soon card for Buke.

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Oct 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we'll have to worry about Mason

I think he’ll only get minutes as Mozgov gets into foul trouble quick (Chandler probably would get minutes at the 2), Randolph actually plays and of course Azuibuke comes back.

Mason only played about 7 minutes but it definitely was a big reason why the other team came back.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think the only reason Mas got burn

was because AR was out. Those were his min.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree with you more about

the Galo/Fields thing, and thanks for the LOLs.

by frilly on Oct 28, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

Someone put a bell on one of those two. It was frustrating.

by RobDiablo44 on Oct 28, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

for me

i just look to see how they move on the court. that tells it all for me lol. gallo is slower, and stiff (II)

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember screaming "Landry!" when he grabbed the last rebound on the Barbosa airball

But I think it was Gallo who grabbed it. Landry just needs to grow out a Josh Childress type afro.

by philee on Oct 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

not sur that his fro would sit the same as childress’s. it might shag down and hang

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could not agree more about the afro

Plus, it would take Fields up to like, 6’9".

by fuhry on Oct 28, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

We should make the rookie shave his head.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Oct 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

It seemed to me that Clyde even knew he couldn’t say Andrea’s surname. He started hesitating before making an attempt and even, I swear, just started calling him “that guy.”

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and it wasn't a one-time thing either.. lol

I chuckled every time he said it

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better recap

Than any beat writer I’ve read so far.

It’s to the point where I check out Seth’s recaps before I bother with any of the dailies. Nice job!

by AtlKnicksFan on Oct 28, 2010 3:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the reason we won rebounding is Fields

He may have only had 4 rebounds himself, but he was ALWAYS crashing the boards and tapped the ball to other players quite a few times.
The only way I can tell the difference between he and Gallo is that Fields isn’t scowling all the time.

by Kaanon on Oct 28, 2010 4:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn't see the game, but...

.. damned if the recap didn’t get me all tingly. TEN blocked shots???!!? You mean, these guys are going to defend? I can’t believe that I’m saying this with (D)’Antoni yet to be fired, but this might be the team for which I have been waiting for about a decade.

I look forward to actually witnessing some of Turiaf’s grandeur (thanks Clyde) in the next one.

by chin8tao on Oct 28, 2010 5:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Love the recap =)

Saw the game on NBA League pass (unfortunetely,I didn’t get to hear Clyde commentating since TSN channel in Toronto was covering the game), but the most important is the win and I hope Wilson Chandler continues to play good because he can be the Robin next to Amar’e as the Knick Batman =)

In addition, Ronny Turiaf is a physical beast on Defense…..Now thats NYK Basketball..Period!!

by NYKFan4Life on Oct 28, 2010 5:59 AM EDT reply actions  

"All Hocus Pocus with no Focus"

That was the best Clyde line of the night. Was that something only I could hear?

by Adam NYC on Oct 28, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Preach it, brother Seth.

Agree entirely on the screening thing — it’s lazy to switch everything, and creates unnecessary negative situations. There are already too many necessary ones, why create mismatches when they can be avoided with a little effort?

Also, still not over that block total. Who are these people?

by Martha on Oct 28, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Fantastic recap!

Solid and funny as always, Seth.
Starting with the bad first, I think it was Bully Walker that killed us more than Mason Jr. during that bad stretch. I remember three occasions where Walker just dribbled into double and triple teams from about 12 feet out and then just jumped, with no idea what he was going to do with the ball. Those two are going to find minutes hard to come by is they keep that up before Buike gets back.

And I totally agree on Amar’e needing to get the ball at the elbow or working off the ball. His “head down, dribble into traffic” was a turnover ATM. Felton, Wil, Fields, and Ronny all looked fantastic. Gallo and DWTDD looked just slightly off their games, but still contributed. And Timmy looked like a big ol’ rookie. One in the win column!

by RobDiablo44 on Oct 28, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. both

stunk it up pretty bad. I think those two should never, ever be on the floor at the same time. Actually Mason shouldn’t be on the floor at any time. Just be a good locker room presence or whatever.

This was one game in which I wished MDA had a shorter rotation. Maybe in Boston he’ll tighten it up.

The meltdown did highlight a concern lots of us have had all summer: no backup PG. When Rayray sits, our offensive cohesion just dies. TD had zero assists. Zero.

We might have to admit the truth: he’s Ben Gordon with better defense. And we’re gonna be in trouble if we can’t find somebody to give Felton a blow. (pause)

by AtlKnicksFan on Oct 28, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice writeup...

Sloppy but good win….Will was the man last night….w/o him, it would have been bad….Amare was the go to guy down the strech and he more than held down that role. He can expect to see double teams all year tho, did not like the 9 turnovers, but he;ll get used to his teamates and know when to kick the ball out. If the raps had any sort of inside scoring presence, the Knicks would have lost this game…but they won and thats all that matters. Will’s scoring off the bench was a great lift, but I still would start him, probably over gallo….I know it’s the first game..but he looked lost and still settled for jumpers all night….I know he’s dantonis “boy”, but he’s gotta step it up…

by Jason Bee on Oct 28, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

In that fourth quarter

Will and Amare both had stretches where they scored in bunches and kept the Raptors at bay. 22pts, 8reb and 2 blocks is solid

by WSD on Oct 28, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

They got him the ball way to far away from the basket.

Amar’e can drive as good as any PF, but like any PF he’s tall and prone to getting the ball slapped out of his hands.

When he took the game over a bit at the end, they got him the ball closer or in the paint where he just threw in jump hooks and finger rolls at will.

That’s really it. Amar’e deserves some blame for trying to do too much, but its a combo of Amar’e , Pringles and the guards for not trying to get him the ball down near the paint where he seemed to dominate every opportunity.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea agree w/ the positioning

and it was 1st game, he probably was trying to force a little….no way 9 TO’s is a regular occurance for him….

by Jason Bee on Oct 28, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Knicks interior D will be a bit better then they were last night

I think Bargnani is for real. He’s a lot like Brook Lopez and Andrew Bogut at least offenseively (different way he scores tho)..he’s simply a very good scoring center. He’s not atrocious on the D end, he uses his size well.

Reggie Evans does what he does. I guess the real point of that is the Knicks could really use a C/PF that knows the NBA game( something Mozzy will do). I do think Turiaf can do that tho, he was pretty damn good last night until he and Amar’e tried to spoon each other

Landry Fields does not look like a rookie. He’s not tentative at all and has confidence out the ass.

Ray Felton was excellent. Haven’t seen many Bobcats games, but I know I saw a lot of UNC games when he was there, and that speeding bullet in transition is still here.

I don’t care where Wilson Chandler starts off the game, but the dude really did something in the offseason. 2009 was a lost year for him like many, but dude looks like that dude that dudes thought he’d be eventually. And that’s dude. In fact I’m calling Chandler the dude, since he abides.

Cock frustrates me. Really has to be this trade stuff that’s in his head, and of course the injury can’t help. He contributed but I’d just rather he take the ball to the rack more often.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

then again Gallo's final numbers weren't really bad at all

so if that’s a horrible night for him, he’s right to say you are stupid if you don’t think he’s good.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

In fact I’m calling Chandler the dude, since he abides

yezzir…hence my sig (applies to both devin and ill Will)

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

Then can we call Amar’e “Walter” since he represents 5000 years of tradition from Moses to Sandy Koufax?

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Oct 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

my take

1. A. Stoudemire 9 to’s!!! . and u r paying this guy can u go to him in crunch time.
2. TD. needs to find the open guy a little better . dont care about 7sec. or less why so much less?
3. RF. looked good so happy to have a PG.
4. Landry Fields has staying power.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

can u go to him in crunch time

Umm… we did. And it worked. What’s your point?

by flossy on Oct 28, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

and while he's turnover prone

Amar’e’s (?) not gonna have 9 TOs every game. And if he didn’t have 9 Tos the Knicks win this one with much less of a problem.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm check the tape

last 2 times down the court they didnt even look at him. ie" crunch time" no looks .

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

two buckets and a trip to the free throw line when the game was tight. Within the last mins of regulation. They were doubling him and getting steals, Chandler had the hot hand. Why not give it to chandler to try and make a open play.

Your tryna say taht in order to earn that check..the knicks should ignorantly shove the ball to amare every single possession within the last 2 minutes? regardless of how the other team is playing d? ok.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

well yes.

isn’t that why you sign guys that demand a double and still come through when it counts. thats the point. or is he not elite enough IYO?

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh most def

but I dont agree with force feeding in crunch time. you play to the situation. they had a good thing going with knocking the ball loose from amare and keeping him from setting up deep in the paint. THey had a few mishaps with the latter towards the end and amare came thru, in the clutch. We could have went back to him yea, but we had a good vibe going with our complimentary guys..and i have no problem letting those guys succeed when hot. nothing like some confidence building in a reg season game.. Now if it was playoffs(playoffs?!) then yea, you already know Amare would had the rock. But hey, we fought our way to a W, w/o prime production from amare..so im fuckkn siked off that alone.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

in a close game its the last min. i consider "crunch time".

could you be anymore vague with “few”. i have no problems with AR’s first game , its a win. just lots of room for improvement. And he needs more touches in the final min.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, the last "few" = the last 3-4 minutes

Crunch time is when the game is on the line, period. It doesn’t matter what the clock says. We needed him to score at that time and he tore off seven straight, keeping the game out of reach for the Raptors. Without that we would have probably lost the game. What more do you want?

by flossy on Oct 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

out of reach? it went down to the wire

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, out of reach

As in, the Raptors tried to mount a comeback late in the fourth and failed, thanks in large part to the cushion we got from Amare’s late-game scoring spurt. Is that really so hard to understand? Barbosa airballing a heavily-contested prayer from the corner would have been Barbosa trying to ice the game after Toronto stormed back… except that Amar’e went into beast mode late in the 4th to keep it out of reach.

by flossy on Oct 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A2D

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Crunch time for me for the knicks

is the last 4 minutes…that’s where we gave up alot of games last year – offensive foul turnovers (AL), forced shots, bad passes, and too many 2nd chances for the opposition

by screamedia on Oct 28, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Brandon Roy

who said it. But in regards to their opening game agains Phoenix..he said

" i didnt notice any difference in Amare not being there, until the 4th quarter…"

Amare is huge..whether he’s off all game(like last night) or beasting from jump. It’s the 4th quarter where you admire his dominance.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

100%

just didn’t like wilson c. chucking down the stretch. he is not a 2 .even though he had a good game. real nice 6 th man.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year I noticed

That Wilson has a tendency to miss the shot that can ice the game. Considering all he does during the course of the game, he’s still a very good player, but I’d go to someone else to take that ‘must have’ shot in the last minute.

by fuhry on Oct 28, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

you have to take the shot to be able to make the shot. it Shows he has that it factor brewing inside.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto for recap love

Great stuff Seth, I went around and read all the recaps, yours is far and away the most informative and entertaining.

My Take:
1. MozelGov has already shown more to me overall then Jordan Hill at this pt in their careers.
2. I love the Fields start, Chandler bench move. Brilliant to have versatile Chandler coming off the bench to fill in at a bunch of diff spots.
3. 16 pt lead meltdown is concerning, but at least we got to that point and pulled it off in the end.
4. Jarrett Jack became my 4th least favorite player in the league (behind Dwaybron BWade). Something about him makes me have an angry face.

by philee on Oct 28, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Clyde-isms

I read this blog religiously and have been a Knicks fan since birth. Great recap Seth… but… I can’t believe you (and everyone here) havn’t mentioned Clyde’s shout out to the blog after a sweet Amare play in the 4th… Clyde: “Posting and Toasting.” Come on people… feel Clyde’s love!

by Mr Tony on Oct 28, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

landry fields

reminds me of david lee.

Obviously they have different games, one being a two and the other being a four. But, I feel like they are very similar guys in terms of attitude and hustle.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I haven't done the math yet

but I’m pretty sure Landry Field’s PER is over 9000.

by gian casimiro on Oct 28, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

It was 16.4

I’m super pumped has his own basketball-reference page. I think that makes me the nerd king :(

by flossy on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

+infinity

DBZ is the truth. I love that series.

by JerzeeBalla on Oct 28, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Am I going to have to hear this Eminem song during every MSG broadcast this season? I'm not sure I can handle that."

Agreed on this…..I can’t hear this song anymore….it was ok at the beginning of the game, but after awhile……

by Jason Bee on Oct 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

…and they played it during the player intros during the open practice. I recorded it and watched it a few times already. I was pretty sick of that song coming into tonight.

Starks > Jordan

by BNandez on Oct 28, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else find themselves wondering what it would've been like if Melo was out there draining Js?

Gallo and Wil Chandler for Melo is lookin pretty good to me right now.

Soon we get AR back and Buike in the not too distant future. Buike at the 2, Melo at the 3, along with AR and Fields coming off the bench would be a sweeeet rotation.

by Crackback on Oct 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

nope.

Actually Chandler had a fairly Carmelo like game on O. 10-18 22 pts, 8 boards, 2 assists. On defense, Chandler basically was the reason the game had no shot at OT with his D on Barbosa.

If Gallo’s going to continue to struggle like this to basically take last nights team and sub in Melo for Gallo…maybe I’d release that stance and say go with Gallo + AR for Curry.

The problem is, is that enough? But considering that TD, Fields and Chandler just seem too important for the team, I really wouldn’t trade them.

I wouldn’t trade anyone at all really.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

gallo has lost his cockiness

and we here at P&T cant abandon him.

He needs a real good game at the garden to get it back. I really cant wait for saturday. These guys have no idea what a home crowd at MSG can be like. Shit, I almost dont remember what its like… Considering the environment there last year at the end of the season for games that really meant dick… damn, its gonna be crazy.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Melo along side STAT is basically guaranteeing that one of the two will explode for 30 while the other has an easy 20. They compliment each other perfectly. Basically, they each would average 25+ per. Thats 50 pts per from 2 players that can be banked on. And thats on a routine night. It will be much higher when theyre both groovin.

Chandler is not going to have a night like last night on a consistent basis. And that type of night is close to the ceiling for Wil, while its close to Melo’s floor.

You can bank on about 35 from Galo and Chandler. 40 on the high side. And it makes sense for Denver because they give away their 27 per away to obtain 35-40 per.

by Crackback on Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Chandler needs a chance to show that he can't do it consistently.

the guy’s healthy and just everything about him seems that he’s made the next step in his progession to becoming a very good NBA player.

Fuck Carmelo. Either he’s here as a Free Agent, or not at all.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if we we assume the best, neither Gallo or Chandler will average more than 23 per, and neither compliment STAT better than Melo would.

Melo would be a huge jump in production over either of those guys (pick one) and he would also increase STATs production. And Buike and AR will more than make up for the offensive output of the other one of those guys.

Fact is, we’re a vastly superior team with Melo and withoout Gallo and Chandler. We should make that trade in December if its available.

by Crackback on Oct 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chandler > AR

I think that’s all I’m saying.

Chandler can be that jack of all trades Randolph is made out to potentially be. Maybe he’s not 6"11 with the handles of a 2-guard, but Chandler knows what he’s doing, can but the ball in the hoop and is much more polished as an NBA player.

He’s only 23 as well even tho it seems he’s been here forever.

And overall, I’d much rather have Melo, Chandler, TD, Gallo, AR and Fields on this team together. Depth is what you need to topple the Celtics and Lakers…or BECOME the Celtics and Lakers.

2 players is nice, but as I’m fairly sure we’ll see, a team with a 2-3 elite players does not a team make.

I look at it like the Cowboys and the GIants. Dallas has a few talented piece, but the “filler” sucks. If you just have Melo and Amar’e, you may end up with a Cowboys situation after trading all your talented filler.

Now if you take the GIants situation, talented players all around..maybe just a couple all-pro players, but a bunch of excellent role players, you actually have a good team.

Don’t trade…just wait.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

AR, Gallo, Chandler and Fields all need minutes. Those minutes will be hard to come by if Melo is on the team. Someone will be unable to play. It makes no sense not trade away one of them at the very least. And Melo is a huge upgrade over any of them.

Chandler may be better than AR at the moment. But AR’s ceiling is FAR higher. What we got from Chandler last night is as good as he’s going to get. AR, right now, should be able to sneeze 10 and 10 with 2 blocks per game. With maturation, he’ll be KG with a handle.

Your aversion to Melo is almost as… no… its just as ridiculous as Dziedic’s aversion to Gallo.

Melo, STAT, KG with a handle, and Felton at the point will compete with ANYBODY.

by Crackback on Oct 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

AR is all potential

again, trade Randolph if we’re doing this. That is all. If you want to win a CHIP with these guys, you go with a young player who’s actually achieving his potential vs. a player who’s all potential.

AR to KG? Please. Chandler is much closer to a Shawn Marion then AR is even to a Lamar Odom, rather a KG

KG with handle is 2013 talk at the earliest, if ever at all.

Wouldn’t go and put me at Dizzy’s level, I’d have no problem with Carmelo on the team. I just don’t want to trade 3/4 of our young players for him. And sorry to say, Carmelo agrees with me on that idea, he doesn’t want to go to a gutted team.

To go all DIzz on ya: Felton/Fields/Melo/Amare/Mozgov with Chandler, TD, Gallo/AR, Turiaf and Buike off the bench is much better fit to win now

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says they need minutes?

They may want them, doesn’t mean they’ll get ‘em. Even with Melo, and if it costs us Gallo/AR, I like Chandler where he is, Bridging the Gap where he’ll get his minutes anyway. With Melo, he would have to polish them 3pt skills and prove it over the course of the season. In the case of Gallo and Will, tho, these 2 really need to stay healthy over the course of the season and they’ll be fine. The only hinderence to their growth has been injuries. AR I really can’t say cuz we really haven’t seen him in this system. Frankly, I agree with FRee, AR is our focus in a trade and keep either Will or Gallo to be 1st off the bench – IF a trade was even an issue which is isn’t right now. Until something resonates as reality, let’s leave the MeloDreaming for if and when it happens. Xmas still looks like the earliest anything happens and we have games to be played til then and sure wanna see us win some wit what we got.

by screamedia on Oct 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna get used to the constant "How Might Melo Do" after each win

But I dig FreeBradshaw’s thoughts on not trading anyone. What was nice about the win last night (which I watched!!) was how I knew Amar’e was going to take over at the end. He did. Posters have brought up that he should have done more, which I understand, but I think crunchtime extends past the final minute of the game. Its also more than just scoring.

Undoubetedly, this became Amar’e and Wil’s team at the end. They both scored and both piled on the defensuive intensity.

Getting back to the melo thing though… We want our blog 3 like Boston and Miami and LA, etc., but watched Miami get outplayed by Boston the other night struck a chord. I brought this up in the past too. But WHO gets the ball at the end? It’s too easy to say “whoever is hot” too. That doesn’t fly. They are already talkin about how the Heat don’t look like a team working together. I’m not gonna forecast anything or make judgements after 2 games, but seriously… it’s worth noting that it may be possible that bringing in Carmelo Anthony could be overdoing it for the Knicks.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I retract the not trading for him

if they can do it by limiting the damage. Crack’s right with the opening up minutes. Why limit someone like Gallo or AR to 15 minutes?

Curry + AR is a deal I’d do. AR more so then Gallo, cuz Chandler can do everything you want out of AR (jack of all trades) and the Knicks need those 3pt shooters, which Gallo still is.

And I think the Nuggets may eventually be forced into something like that, cuz they don’t want to let him go for nothing.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think a Big 3 is better in theory possibly.

Takes a special group of guys to handle the egos and the shots.

Boston did it perfectly with KG and Ray Allen who have always been guy who rack up a couple assists a game and Ray and Paul Pierce have rarely if ever come off as egotistical. KG has his, but he’s never let it get the best of him.

Everyone loves the Miami trio for the names, but Wade aside, it may not have enough balance. I’m just not convinced.

It makes me sort of worry about the NY version. Amar’e gets the ball and goes to work in the paint, then the FT line. Carmelo does the same thing but he gets the ball farther out. Both of these guys want the ball. But i look at the Boston 3 Party and I see a lot more dishing and a sort of equilibrium (even as they lost to Cleveland). Maybe its the chemistry they have built over the last few seasons though…

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

balance is the key

and I’ve said it before, but the “big 3” is more of a media hype, or at least its just saying how they were acquired.

The Celtics have Rondo, Big Baby, Perkins, James Posey, Leon Powe…etc. I mean..Rondo is a great player. The others are solid role players.

Who on the Heat side from the Big 3 is any good? Its like having Tony Romo, Miles Austin and Jason Witten…but having dog shit in between. Talent yes. Talented team, no.

Look at the Lakers: Kobe, Gasol, Odom. But Bynum, Fisher, Artest/Ariza, Shannon Brown can explode and there’s Luke Walton doing what Luke Walton does.

You gotta balance your “Big 3”, I agree with that. KG, Pierce and Allen work perfectly together, as do Kobe, Gasol and Odom for the (love) triangle.

But you gotta have talent around them. Big 4 is probably more appropriate anyway.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me either

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Oct 28, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i almost forgot

one of the best things about landry…

late in the game he committed a foul, turns out it was his first of the game. Awesome, considering he was playing great d all night.

Dude is just a good bball player.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 28, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

its mind boggling

that he fell to the 2nd round.

i dont know what its more indicative of…
bad scouting by the rest of the NBA? Bad reporting by the media?
Same with mozzie (who, unfortunately, looked more like a 2nd rounder last night).

How did these guys fall through the cracks!?! 4 year player with great bbskills a high IQ who stuffed the stat sheet in college and has a good bball body should not fall to the 2nd round and be on NOBODYs radar (although he did have a draftexpress blog, which is curious to me considering he was never mentioned anywhere).

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

east coast bias.

I laugh at this when I hear it in baseball for all the Yankees praise and ignoring of teams solid talent in teh West…but its really true in this.

Fields scored 20points a game and had almost 9 boards. The Pac-10 isn’t a great conference, but a player from Butler and Fresno State went top 10…so that doesn’t meant anything.

I just love this, so I’ll say it again: On the Raptors feed they had word that the Knicks had Fields as a top 20 pick (late lottery to 20’s). Seems that’s bad scouting and bad reporting.

Cuz I dunno what a Luke Babbitt is, but I know damn well its not starting in Portland.

And I don’t think Fields is starting since the Knicks don’t have options or are a bad team, Fields just is that good. He’s a Carlos Boozer, Carl Landry, Paul Milsapp, Michael Redd…type steal in round 2.

Its scouting. The Knicks did their HW. If Rautins actually pans out/contributes this season, Donnie deserves exec of the year just based on that.

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems that’s bad scouting and bad reporting.

by other teams, not the Knicks of course

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Free , G Fan in England

put up a fanpost in your honer. hope you get back.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

honer = honor

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seen it

but doubt that I’ll be back there. At least with this screen name.

Made a new one just in case, so be nice to rorshach44 if you see him

pick me a winner

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Oct 28, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

this:
…Roger Mason. Not to pile on the guy, but he really hasn’t done a single thing besides missing jumpers as a Knick.

Exactly how I feel. It makes me angry every time he comes in the game, and even angrier when he shoots. Is it too early to call him Roger Duharrington?

by Joejerkin on Oct 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Love the win last night. Seth is right on with his notes too

Playoff teams win ugly when they have to. On the road and natural 1st game jitters are why the game was close. But I loved how certain guys played.

Chandler took control of the team because people (Gallo) decided to camp out in he corner a lot. Toronto may not be very good this year, but they have plenty of good players and they have some good defensive guys too. Jack and Evans were real intense out there and Barnyarni (Clydism) was excellent in the 1st half. But I love the Knicks overall defensive tenacity. They guarded the paint. They had confidence that someone had their back if their guy swept past them. And they were right. Chandler had 2 blocks, but it felt liek he got a hand on most shots around him. My only thing was guys went for the block and didn’t stick for the rebound.

We did fine on the boards, but too many times it was 1 guy surrounded by 4 Raptors for the offensive board. To me, that syas guys have forgotten that Lee isn’t on the court anymore. We’ll get better. Gallo was mostly invisible, but he did crash the boards when he wasn’t getting a pass.

I dont think the trade offers are in his head, but his slump is. He wants to shoot oyut of it in the worst way and it makes it worse. The second he gets the ball, he is hoisting a shot regardless of who is around him. It’s too quick. It’s too forced. He has to find a way to relax and trust that he will get the ball back if he passes it.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 28, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

He really does look to be forcing things

I remember one shot where he scooted to the top of the key with the ball, shaking his man, but then did like a double pump while leaning forward, never setting his feet. Too much second guessing. You’re spot on with the hanging in the corner in the first half second half he was much better and more active in the fourth, especially on the defensive end. Know when to pick your fights, if the shot ain’t dropping, contribute in another way. Get the flow of the offense and the shot will come.

2nd and 3rd quarter, too many guys follkowing suit, settling for the perimeter rather than slashing and kicking out. Sloppy all the way around, but I think Turiaf did and excellent job in keeping things glued enuff to not lose the lead.

Now comes the real test. Boston, at home, and probably pissed off losing to Cleveland after dusting off Miami. I would really like to see the attacking Knicks in this one and force Boston’s front court into committing fouls. If we do that, I think we steal one.

by screamedia on Oct 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we can hang athletically with there athletes

i only concer myself with how we handle there bigs w/o getting into foul trouble. SHaq and bib gaby specifically.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a HUGE win for Cleveland

I’m happy for them and i hope they are all like “Haha, we’re already doing things that Lebron couldn’t do!!” lol

sheit, I would be talkin a storm right now.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it weird that this game was very close to my NBA2k11 season

Only difference is, mosgov was more of a beast in my game. And amare ripped down 14 rebounds in my game. Its actually pretty accurate, they do make landry fields pretty good too. He has a great first step in NBA2K11

by Phillip P on Oct 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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