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A few thoughts after our home-opener

Well,we're 1-2. Maybe the start some of you predicted, but definitely not the one we were hoping for. We have Orlando coming up and Dwight Howard's shadow is looming, which is even worse news. Take the jump for some early thoughts about our rebuilt Knicks.


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1) Maybe Gallo struggling is a blessing in disguise:

 

Here's how I see it-Gallo has been absolutely terrible after the preseason opener in Milan. His shot, which is pretty much the main component of his game, isn't falling. It's not really the bad shot selection that is a cause for concern (it is bad, but it's something mental that can be fixed), but rather the fact that he's missing wide open looks. He has had some unlucky bounces of the rim but for the most part, Gallo is struggling. Mightily. The ball does seem to be rolling off his palm a bit more than my JV coach would reccomend and he seems uncomfortable putting the ball up.

 

But can this be a blessing in disguise? Danillo seems to be driving to the rim more and trying to compromise for his lack of precision beyond the arc. It is awkward and as we know, Gallo isn't exactly the speediest or best ball handler in the NBA, but this could be a good learning experience for him. First of all, once he does get over the slump (which he eventually will), he'll be mentally tougher and be able to believe in himself that much more. Plus, he'll also have much more experience driving to the rim, which could become a deadly combination once the shot starts falling.

 

His wrist is probably injured people. The way I see it, D'Antoni's leaving Gallo out of games because of his wrist, not lack of faith in his technique/mental toughness/ability. A total layoff from basketball would mean a long time before he becomes accustomed to his teammates and the overall tempo of the game again, so I think they're trying to balance rehabilitating the wrist and giving Gallo some more exposure. People forget that this is basically his sophomore season.

 

 

2) Amar'e is trying too hard

 

Shooting 3's? Trying to pull a double crossover against Marcus Camby? Seriously Amar'e? I know the burden of being the face of a rebuilding franchise might come with responsibilities that you try to fulfill, but leave the 3pt shooting to Chandler, Bully, Gallo (when he starts shooting well again), Felton...anybody. You are a physical force of nature, and are virtually impossible to guard when it comes to 1on1 situations near the rim. But you're unstoppable because of your physical prowess, NOT your ball-handling.

 

Also, what's up with Felton/Douglas giving Amar'e the ball near the FT line? Can we please stop that?

 

 

3) We could easily be 3-0

 

Now, I know, we can easily be 0-3 if Toronto sunk that 3 late in the 4th Q. But we've gone up against Boston and Portland, teams that will definitely be in the top 4 of their respective conferences. Had our shooting percentage from:

a)Beyond the arc

and

b)From the free-throw line

 

been as expected, this team would be looking at a perfect record. I trust D'Antoni and the coaching staff to work on FT's and overall shooting, since it's so important in the D'Antoni system.

 

We might be 1-2 with 2 tough games against Orlando and Chicago ahead, but seeing the way we played against the Trailblazers and Celtics gives me a lot of faith in the Knicks.

 

So, in conclusion, I say the Knicks are probably one Melo-like player away from competing for a championship. Melo would compliment Amar'e perfectly, and if Randolph or Gallinari (the one we don't trade) decide to play to their potential, we have a lethal combination. Felton is playing extremely well (did anybody catch that reverse lay-up last night? Damn!), Chandler is playing like the player we hoped he'd become, and Landry and Douglas are also key pieces. Now let's get Orlando, guys.

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that game hurt

plus we have 2 days off before we can get back at it. very tough. I agree with most of what you said, yea gallo is hurt.
But on #2, Amare is trying to hard, but we can’t get him the ball in good spots. I still maintain I have not seen a successful pick and roll from Felton to Amare since the Milano game. Felton simply cannot get the ball to Amare off the pick and roll yet. Witness last night’s hideous pick n hand off to Amare at the top of the key at the end of the game. This needs to change. Feltons shooting has been better than I thought, and yeah he had a great clutch layup, but to me its worthless if he cannot run a pick n roll with Amare. go ahead let me have it everyone for talking bad about a knick…

by teksurgical on Oct 31, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Not at all, I'm with you man

I generally wanted to point out things that not everybody’s talking about. Yes, the Felton+Amare PnR is lacking any real cohesiveness right now, but these guys have only played 3 regular season games with each other. I’d give them a bit more time. Once teams start noticing Felton’s speed and ability to get to the bucket, Amar’e should be getting more open looks.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Oct 31, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only have they played just 3 games together

but, as a few people have mentioned, teams like Portland and Boston have been clogging the paint with abandon. The only solution is for Felton to penetrate more (he’s done that decently in stretches) or for somebody to hit open threes (paging Gallo). Defenses are more than prepared for the P&R.

by Seth on Oct 31, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

I touched on this in the aftermath of the Boston loss. If Gallo can get his 3 point shot back, Felton will have more room for the PnR with Amare.

by JerzeeBalla on Nov 1, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can bad talk knicks

when you’ve got observations to back it up. It’s raving negative lunacy that bothers people.

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Oct 31, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must have missed the preseason game against the Nets

Where the Felton-Amar’e PnR was unstoppable when they were on the floor together in the first half. Those two got what they wanted at will.

Have you considered that Portland and Boston (especially) are just much better basketball teams right now? Boston has probably the best PnR defense in the NBA and Portland has crazy depth and a guy named Marcus Camby who is a pretty good interior defender himself. Add to that no legit outside threat aside from Bill Walker, some getting-to-know you hiccups and what do you get? Yeah, some pretty pathetic picking and rolling. For now.

By the way, have you seen Raymond Duhon anywhere recently?

by flossy on Oct 31, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope unfortunately I saw it

Unfortunate because watching that much Nets at once makes anyone sick. But I definitely saw it. I saw lots of Amare whooping ass. I saw lots of nice Felton plays, including some nice passes. But no I did NOT see any pick and rolls from Felton to Amare. You might be thinking, damn there must have been some Amare had 39?! Mr. Flossy I’m telling you it doesn’t happen. Off the Amare/Felton pick and roll, Felton kicks it to the wing, pulls it back, or tries to to take it himself, but Never gets it to a rolling Amare. I’m sorry its just a very small but specific problem.
And yea boston is ridiculous defensively. but the p&r is the most popular play ever so its always prepared for, and Amare was one half of the best pick and roll tandem i can certainly remember. i just want to see it improving and I havent since milano

by teksurgical on Oct 31, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

furthermore

Billy Walker and Felton both hit some clutch long range jumpers in the 4th vs. the Blazers, but that did not help the pick and roll situation in the 4th quarter at all. The most pivotal plays were fucked up pick and rolls, and its on Felton mostly. sorry to harp on it, but I feel defensive on this one

by teksurgical on Oct 31, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

so would you agree?

Mr. Smuckles? I agreed its still way too early to make judgements, but you know the PNR is in a sorry state right now and its hurting…

by teksurgical on Oct 31, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

yes i would

but with two players of that talent, you’d expect it to improve throughout the course of the season. I think what’s hurting it the most is the lack of a legitimate threat outside of it. Gallo isn’t doing it with his slump, Chandler might evolve into it, and Melo isn’t a knick. Amare is trying to do too much against those double and triple teams that they throw at him (if felton even gets the ball to him in those sets).

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Oct 31, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

All and All

They need to fix that P&R problem ASAP, cause that is a major cog in this offense. Having Stat trying to get to the basket 20ft out going thru double and triple teams is not going to cut it, but if we had a reliable shooter from outside, who could hit a shot instead of throwing up BS(Gallo) or possibly try to hit jumpers from 10 to 15ft like the Great Clyde Walt Frazier said repeatedly along with you don’t have to shot it every time you get it, work the offense Gallo, we might have won these last two games.

Gallo aint shit, FACE IT!!!!!!

by J-BooGie on Oct 31, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Gallo is just not that good…..

he’s not as bad as he has been playing…but if some of you are expecting him to come play savior, you can forget that…he’ll have his good games here and there…but he’ll be what he always has been….inconsistent…..he’s a bench player….a half average role player who is capable of having good games every so often……Felton is a HUGE upgrade over Duhan….but he’s not exactly getting the ball where Amare needs to get it and becuase of that he is going one on two (or three) too much….I do have to give the Knicks props for putting more effort in defense….Turiaf and Will are really getting after it…..but let’s revisit that in a month or two when the losses start piling up…..

by Jason Bee on Nov 1, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Aren't we being a little pesimistic?

We’ve played 3 really good games, I see no reason for revisiting this in a month “when the losses start piling up”. If we keep playing like this, get AR back and improve on shooting and the P&R, we’ll definitely be a 6-8 seed.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Nov 1, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one's acting like Gallo will be this 30pt a game monster

it was probably too optimistic to thin he’d be a 20pt/game guy…tho after last year and the way he played at the end it really wasn’t too big a stretch (especially with no Harrington).

I think you’re drinking the Dizzy kool aid with the bench stuff.

And the losses are gonna pile up huh. Granted they lose 2 games in a row, but watching these 2 games its really tough to think this team is gonna have losses pile up if they play like they did against 2 of the top 10 teams in the NBA, one being a title contender they played in their home building.

But I guess you’ll say the same should the same result (play well enough to win, but lose) happen against Orlando.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 1, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

play well enough to win, but lose....

right…losses…we’ll see tho….the two teams they played, they played Bos tough last year too…3 of the 4 games were VERY close and they beat them once….they also split with Portland last year too….so ok while it may be early to say two losses is a trend for bad things to come…it’s also too early to say that because they played them really tough (but lost) it’s a sign of good things to come also….especially after being up by 9 late in the 4th quarter…and losing

by Jason Bee on Nov 1, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's true

but it was teh way they played vs just the outsider looking in approach at the 1-2 record (not saying you’re doing that tho..).

The back and forth this year, they just seem to be in the whole game. Last year I coulda swore that while the games ended up close, like the past few years they simply cut 2nd half 20 points leads down to deficits that looked good on paper.

Also the Raptors game, that would be one they easily fold in last year and lose.

I know its tough to get over the past few years. But to me its really tough since I remember the past seasons so well and then look at this team to say that they’re doing the same thing. Everything just seems different.

In past years you just expected losses and really there was no hope in sight. This year it just looks like they’re not doing correctable things (they can shoot 3’s and FTs…) and that’s why they’ve lost to 2 solid clubs.

You can bet that if they shoot well at the line and from 3, they will pull one out on Tuesday. The effort on D I just think is night and day. THe hustle all over the court from guys like Chandler and Fields is night and day as well.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 1, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't make conclusions

After 3 games. Give it time, there’s a lot of things to be happy about.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Nov 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what needs to happen for us to get going?

We have 2 seemingly related issues on offense in my mind.

1. The lack of outside shooting

2. The lack of comfortable pick n roll tandem

I feel like a large part of the reason the pick n roll isn’t working (or necessarily being attempted) is defenses have collapsed into the lane on us. While we HAVE guys who can shoot from the outside, we don’t seem to have any snipers raining Js on defenses.

I think as our shooting comes around (not just Gallo btw), that will force defenses to respect our perimeter and open up more room to work the PnR.

I hate to say it, but patience seems to be the key. I think as the guys get more familiar with each other, the results will follow. But I really think the outside shooting is the catalyst here.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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