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Danilo Gallinari is not a shooting guard.

Speculation continues to surround the topic of Knicks line-ups. Experts have come to the conclusion, it seems that Wilson Chandler will start at the two and Ronny Turiaf will be the first pivot on the floor. However, it seems to me, amidst all the discussion about Wilson Chandler's impending problems playing out of position at the two (when he is clearly a small forward), experts and community members alike have decided Danilo Gallinari can and should get some time as New York's two-guard. The logic? Simple: Gallinari can shoot, so he should be the shooting guard. He won't have too difficult a time defending other, 6'5" shooting guards because he has so much length to bother shots he can play off his man.

To this I say: Phooey.

Star-divide

Danilo Gallinari came into the league with a reputation as a heady player reminiscent to most basketball efforts of Tony Kukoc. Over the past couple of years, however, those who have watched Gallinari have observed that he is more similar to a taller Manu Ginobili or a Dirk Nowitzki lite. He emulates the former with his smooth stroke and strange angles on the drive, which allow him to draw fouls and finish strangely against many defender who do not know any better. His stature and attitude remind some of Nowitzki who can make it rain with the best of them and has no ordinary gait himself.

Other comparisons include Rashard Lewis, for obvious reasons (nearly identical statistics), and Hedo Turkoglu.

Shooting

To me, the Ginobili and Turkoglu comparisons have been particularly damaging to the stylistic and athletic perceptions of Danilo Gallinari. While he is plainly a talented shooter, he is overrated in this aspect.

For simple measure, if Gallo were to play shooting guard, his 38.1% from behind the arc would make him 17th most accurate in the Association last year. There are simple and popular counter-arguments, such as his shot selection (which is actually an argument available for both sides), which had to be skewed because of his willingness in the clutch and his forced-shot nature due to his lack of competent teammates. But when I told you he would have been 17th in the league, I forgot to mention he would rank one spot behind former teammate Jamal Crawford.

Now re-read that last paragraph.

38.1% places him fourth among small forwards and fifth among power forwards.

Now, just to be safe, let's compare floor-position shooting statistics between two players on the Knicks.

Danilo Gallninari

10-15 feet: 42.9%

16-23 feet: 38.0%

Amar'e Stoudemire

10-15 feet: 44.4%

16-23 feet: 42.0%

Stoudemire, based on these 2009-2010 statistics from hoopdata, is a better midrange shooter than Gallinari.

So, if Gallo doesn't shoot as well as Stoudemire from mid-range, wouldn't that mean, in this aspect of his game, Stoudemire is as qualified to play the shooting guard position as Gallinari?

Driving ability

Let me ask you another, much more subjective question. Who is quicker on the dribble-drive: Danilo Gallinari or Amar'e Stoudemire? Think about it.

If Stoudemire is as fast as Gallinari on the drive, which I would argue at this point in their respective careers isn't even close, and he is a better shooter from midrange, wouldn't that mean he is as qualified to play the shooting guard position as Gallo?

Defense

As I mentioned up above, another argument that Gallinari can play the two-guard is that he has enough length to bother opposing shooting guards defensively. But Gallinari's defensive strengths: guarding the pick-and-roll, moving laterally for his size and bothering shots with his length, match-up great in both one-on-one and weakside defense. The defensive arena in which he is least comfortable, off-the-ball "chasing-through-screens" defense is the one most often required to guard shooting guards. We can all wish Gallo luck chasing Anthony Morrow, Ben Gordon, Rip Hamilton, Mike Miller, JJ Reddick, and Ray Allen through baseline screens.

Conclusion

While it's ridiculous to make the case that Amar'e Stoudemire could play shooting guard, I think to make the case for Gallinari is not too far off. Although I do not typically subscribe to the "This guys is a shooting guard, this guy is a power forward, this guy is blah blah blah" mentality, I think it is plain to see that Il Gallo is a forward. Small or Power, I do not know, but he is some sort of forward. To use him every now and then in a huge line-up at the two spot might be interesting and useful (and necessary to negate his lack of rebounding), but to make the argument that it would be easy for him to make the shift just because he can stroke it? Well, that's just plain ridiculous.

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agree 1000%

I never liked the idea of gallo at the 2. The only way..and i repeat the only way is if we run a stiff zone against a team that doesnt rank top in team speed.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 5, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

yea and even then

i don’t like him up top in the zone.

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

real good stuff and something for danilo to think about

serious work! great perspective at both angles, the sg and sf levels. why we need gallo to not fall in love with the 3 and go to the hole more. but if he can consistently kill with the 3 in the end game, he will be a star.

by knicks613 on Oct 5, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

You've convinced me

(that Amar’e should start at SG).

by flossy on Oct 5, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

What?

If he’s not passing the ball enough, we’ll play Ronny at SG.

by flossy on Oct 5, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2 and the 3 are really just interchangeable wings anyway

Felton (G)
Turiaf (W)
Amar’e (W)
Gallo (F)
Toney ©

by ThisIsTraps on Oct 5, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree...Gallo is not a SG

but is he a Pringles SG?

If you’re playing him as a SG, the means you got someone like Chan or AR at the SF spot. Regardless it means Gallo is being guarded by a 6"7 at most dude.

I think this is moot anyway. Gallo plays like a 2 on the offensive end, Chandler a 3. So if they’re both on the court then they can play that way on the O end

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

To this I say: Phooey.

Yeah, that just pretty much said it all, Oz.

by ThisIsTraps on Oct 5, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

@Osborn

He wont have trouble guarding 6/5 shooting guards? The guy plays no defense and he game is soft. His shot is what saves him and that is a dime a dozen in this league. It is plain and simple the guy belongs on the bench as a reserve to spell Stoudemire at the PF spot. In the fourth quarter if we are in the game to win then he can come in to help make a key shot or to cloe out the game to win it. I am sick and tired of everybody on this coaching staff and crazy fans trying to find a position for this guy. He is a backup PF and nothing more accept to come in to hit a key shot when needed in a close game.

by Dziedzic on Oct 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 5, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wont have trouble guarding 6/5 shooting guards? The guy plays no defense and he game is soft.

Please reread this, then reread Osborn’s post. Continue to repeat until the season’s over and you can comprehend what was written.

by ThisIsTraps on Oct 5, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'll never get tired of your detritus!

i wish you posted more often! its so cute!

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Manu and Dirk? They play completely differently. That’s a lazy comparison, like comparing DLee to a random white guy.

P.S. Amare is naked. Coming to a magazine rack near you.

by enron4515 on Oct 5, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

The way he takes angles on drives is just like Manu Ginobili,

and the way he works around screens on the three-point arc is very similar to Ginobili.

The dirk comparison is easier to defend.

I don’t know what to tell you man, if you combine certain aspects of their games, you get Gallo’s offense.

by Osborn on Oct 5, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the negative comparison

was lazy….

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

In no way

does Gallo compare to Manu. Manu is a vastly superior ball handler and twice as quick. Dirk may be a realistic aspiration, but to compare him to Dirk is not really fare to Gallo. He is a LONG way from Dirk right now. Maybe a better shooting Detlef Shrempf

by The Bronx-178st on Oct 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

in no way at all?

the differences are obvious… and i maybe wouldn’t draw that comparison first. i also didn’t write the initial post. but i can see similarities between gallinari and ginobili.

the point i think you’re missing is that the comparison is not intended to put guys on the same plateau. gallinari at this point has not had a better year than brian cardinal’s best. but, my wild imagination tells me that you think gallo is better than brian cardinal.

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why does this point seemingly get lost in these comments?!

Bringing up Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis, Dirk Nowitski, Manu Ginobili, Peja Stoyjockitch…. why do so many people jump at the mention of their names and think we are comparing Gallo NOW to where they are NOW???

Jesus guys, relax. GO look at the early stats of Nowitski in his 3rd year. NO ONE is assuming Gallo is at Dirks level NOW just like when stingy brings up Paul Pierce we are talking about Paul pierce like 10+ years ago!

It’s really sad that so many people jump in to comment before they understand what point is being made. Seriously… you guys are smarter than this.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gallo = taller Paul Pierce

Pierce is actually a better shooter.

by 100% dundee on Oct 5, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy

P.Pierce plays defense and rebounds. Gallo is writing books. A bio at 22 what a joke. He should grow up first.

by Dziedzic on Oct 5, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

only old people have stories worth telling.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 6, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

u know what?

haters are actually confused admirers..

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 6, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i've made that comparison too

the way those two (pierce/gallo) sort of hesitate and amble their way to the hoop and get the shot they want is very similar. they also tend to draw fouls in similar instances. pierce is better, but i wonder what pierce was doing when he was at the bottom of his 20’s?

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i found it

eerily similar

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call a PER of 20 very similar to Gallo's 15

He’s got a long way to go to get to Piece’s level.

But, look at Rashard Lewis’s numbers at 22 y/o. I expect Gallo’s to be very very similar this year. Maybe slightly lower overall FG%, but also 1-2 more free throws/game.

by flossy on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, i know rashard is more eerily similar

but the actual phsyical motions that these two use are striking. that was my point. it was just funny that at the same age, they had similar (offensive) numbers.

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt

tho I don’t think Gallo will be as good as Pierce (he has a supernat way of getting the ball through the rim), but he’s got a lot in common with a young Pierce.

If Gallo would consistently be as aggressive as Pierce, he could do a lot of those sorts of things. Of course Gallo is a better 3pt shooter earlier in his career, so they’ll probably never be the same

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

pierce was a do everything guy for those celtics. gallo has a niche to develop. but on offense, they bring similar styles to the table.

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gallo is a shooter,

Pierce is a scorer. Pierce has shown a greater ability to overpower the opposition whether it be posting up or driving, than Gallo has. I think you guys are doing more projecting than comparing. Can’t compare or project Gallo to a Paul Pierce.

by The Bronx-178st on Oct 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't compare

but you can project, which is what we’re doing.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't he play the 2 on O and the 3 on D?

Why can’t we play more zone on D? Why do we have to go with a traditional line-up and put cookie-cutter players at their cookie-cutter positions?

Why not make our opponents react to us? Put Gallo at the 2 and Randolph at the 3 and swap them on D. Let the opponent worry about matching up.

by Crackback on Oct 5, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure you could do that.

But then he’s playing small forward and not shooting guard.

by Osborn on Oct 5, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh put what ever label you want on him. I don't care.

So long as he’s stroking it from the elbow extended and making teams pay if they try to double down on Amar’e is all i care about. Let Randolph swing back and forth on the wings and attack the paint with his size and athleticism. Who needs a 2? There’s no rule that says you have to have a “2.” So we go with a 1, 3, 3, 4, and a 5. I like it. We’ll revolutionize the sport.

Traditional 2s will have fits ttrying to guard Gallo.
Traditional 3s will have fits trying to guard Randy.

We’ll have more success guarding them than they will guarding us.

by Crackback on Oct 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Gallo

You go and stroke it from the elbow extended…………

by ThisIsTraps on Oct 5, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lineup of 1, 3, 3, 4 and 5

Is basically like the standard starting lineup we have with Chandler at the 2.

by WSD on Oct 5, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanna see the lineup be

7, 5, 6, 6, 2

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 6, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

lotto winners

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

double down on amare!

thats some sort of kfc X naked amar’e photoshop nightdream

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

they probably will do that

Pringles has no reason to not go to different rotations in the lineup. Cock, Chan and AR are versatile dudes that will play a lot and all 3 can play the 2-4 (yea..AR too) and even C.

Pringles lineups really don’t have positions aside from the PG and the PF.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't wait for the season to start

because you guys have way too much time right now to speculate….on everything!

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
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by Ren Carlos on Oct 5, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed with Gallo not being a 2

A big reason why is that, if he’s guarded by opposing 2s, he’ll always be tempted to just shoot a slightly contested 3 over their heads, which is exactly what I want him to move away from. Gallo is obviously a great shooter, but his percentages suggest that he needs to be more selective. Not shooting contested 3s off the dribble would be a good start and, if he were to play the 2, I think those shots would be too tempting to pass up.

And he’s not fast enough. Quick penetrating guards who force the defense to shift are very valuable and Gallo doesn’t fit that profile. I know our roster isn’t exactly teeming with those guys, but Chandler (just to name one) is way better at taking his man off the dribble than Gallo. Gallo can use an array of moves to get penetration, but he usually only does so once another guard has forced the defense to shift.

Feel free to pause at any time in that last paragraph.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 5, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

You can just post him up. He doesn’t even need to have a decent post game. At 6-10, he can just turn around and shoot over just about any 2 at a high percentage.

by Crackback on Oct 5, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

By that logic

Anyone who is tall and can shoot can just play 2 guard. Not really feelin that.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 5, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is a 2 guard an absolute? How about we let Randy guard the 2 when we’re not in a zone?

by Crackback on Oct 5, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not necessary

It’s just desirable, imo.

Look I’m all for apositionality, but only if its the best way to maximize our talent. That Randolph can play four positions is great, but I still want him to stick to one position most of the time, while sliding over to other spots when necessary or when match-ups dictate he should. Likewise, I think that Gallo, both on this team and in general, is best suited as a 3. Chandler, ideally, is a 3, but is a better 2 than Gallo because of his defense and his ability to shift defenses by taking his man off the dribble.

And all NBA teams play man-to-man 90% of the time. There are too many good shooters in the league to play zone.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 5, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

People

I think we’re going to see a small but significant jump in Gallo’s shooting percentage this year, both from beyond the arc and inside it.

The reason I say that is that 1) I think his elbow was bothering him in the second half last year and he had a bunch of poor shooting games, and 2) all year there was no rhythm to the Knicks offense with Duhon and Harrington. I think he’s going to be more comfortable this year and you’re going to see him creep toward 50% overall and over 40% from 3.

by fuhry on Oct 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe 40% from 3

But 50% overall for someone who shoots so many jumpers is just not gonna happen. He shot 42% last year. I’d be happy with 45%

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 5, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this offense

I can see him limiting his jumpers since we have a lot more weapons on offense. Last season he took 11.4 shots and 6 of those were 3 pters. What this says is that the reason he shot 42% last year is that he mostly took 3s and long 2s. I think this year we’ll see his shot selection improve & he still gets about 10-11 attempts, but with 4 of those being 3s.

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 5, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that would be great

I’m not saying he wont improve, just trying to lower what I think are unreasonable expectations.

The # of SFs in the league who shot 50% or better – 2 (Lebron and Corey Maggette)
Nash and Rondo were the only two other non PFs or Cs.

The # of players who shot four or more 3s a game and 40% or better – 4
Gallo shot 6 a game last year, so 4 a game would be a drastic decrease. I think he can reach 40% because he was at 38% last year, but that would be quite a feat.

I think 40% from 3 and 46% overall would be really really great from Gallo. It would make him a near all-star.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 5, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I wasn’t sayin he’ll get to the 50/40/90 level…but I think he’ll get closer to it than he did last year

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 6, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Danilo is a shooter for us on offense and defends small forwards...

Same as Chandler is a slasher for us on offense and defends shooting guards.

Really don’t care what you call them personally. People usually have a obsession with naming everything. Kind of reminds me of the last girl I was dating that would constantly try to get me to label us a couple.

Hell, you could call Felton a center for all I care as long as everyone sticks to their roles and the team wins.

by ap3604 on Oct 5, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Right...

Defining roles. Like we need someone to do what a 2 guard does. And that’s not Gallinari.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 5, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about this lineup

I’ve heard a bunch about how Randolph can gaurd any position. Why not put him at the two?
Randolph, Gallo, Stat, Mozgov, Felton.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Oct 5, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep. That looks pretty unstoppable.

by Crackback on Oct 5, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ill pass on that one

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 6, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why so?

Not arguing, just curious

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Oct 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

just op

To justify…i looked at the lineup as a starting 5. wouldnt do it..but in the course of a game.. i wouldnt oppose it..randolph seems quicker on the defensive end than gallo is..but i’d want randolph in/near the paint for the weakside block which is his strength vs having him guard perimeter

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 6, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who to Compare Danilo to...

I’ve talked about this before.

He’s the exact same player as Rashard Lewis/Peja Stojakovic.

And I mean …. the EXACT same player.

by BJabs on Oct 5, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I love me some 03-04 Peja

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 5, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are thinking to linear...

To think that Gallo would be the starting SG on both ends of the court is where this argument comes to an end. Wilson Chandlers offensive game fits in better at SF, while Gallos offense most likely can adapt to numerous positions. Gallo Can play OFFENSIVELY from the 2-4. His best defensive position is the 3. Chandler on the other hand can play offensively also from 2-4 but he has an equal ability at guarding both the 2/3 position on the court.

Were the Knicks to start Wilson at “SG” and Gallinari at “SF” they could allow both of them to swap positions in the offensive role and switch back on the defensive end in order to gain the best matchups.

No one ever said because you are in the lineup at a particular spot the only person you are ever allowed to guard is the man with the same letters next to his name in the opposing lineup. The Knicks are EXTREMELY Versatile. Don’t put people into a box on this team except for Stoudimire. His Box is the best player on the team. Other than that, just let the lineup be and play to its strengths offensively.

by Bill from LI on Oct 6, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post. That just about sums it up

I really disagree with the whole premise of the thread. if the matchups warrant it, Gallo is a 2.

Unless you are D-Wade or Kobe or Kevin Durant, i.e. one of the best in the world at your position, your responsibilities on the floor can be fluid. And even then, it’s not written in stone. Lebron James, arguably the best basketball player of his generation, now plays the point as often as he plays SF. Last year when Derrick Rose was eating up Cleveland, Lebron was a 3 on offense, but on defense he guarded Rose, the other team’s PG. Tim Duncan is arguably the greatest power forward ever, and he routinely guards the other team’s center.

It’s really ALL about match-ups.

So if Will and Gallo are on the floor at the same time, we can have Gallo guard their 3 and Will guard their 2 if their 2 is quick and a good slasher (say, Iggy or Vince).

If their 2 is a spot-up shooter (say, Morrow in NJ or even Ray in Bos) Gallo can handle that, and it’s generally a defensive advantage to have a long-armed 6-10 guy guarding a 6-6- guy.

As a team, you just want the personnel versatility to have the match-up advantage, on offense and defense, no matter who the opponent puts onto the floor.

So, once more with feeling: if the matchups warrant it, Gallo is a 2. Or he’s a 2 on offense but a 3 on defense. It’s not ridiculous at all. But trying to lock a guy into a position with statistics kinda is.

by AtlKnicksFan on Oct 6, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan and Lebron are not apt comparisons

Duncan is 7 feet, taller than most centers. Depending on who you ask, he is a center. Certainly more of a center than Matt Bonner.

Lebron is one of the fastest, strongest and best passers in the league, so he can play any position except maybe center. Using him as an example of an apositional player is unfair. He’s an exception, not the rule.

I realize that we’re arguing semantics here in terms of what number you put next to a guy, but its not about what position a guy plays, but rather what role he fills. What I, and I believe Osborn, are arguing here, is that Gallo best serves our team by filling the role of what a prototypical 3 would do. He should receive the second pass in the offense, not the first, because he shoots too many threes early in the clock as is. He’s not fast enough to penetrate on opposing 2 guards and will too often settle for contested shots over them. He’s also not quick enough to stay in front of most starting 2s in the league and will often need help defense. Soo… if he’s bad at defending 2s and shouldn’t play the role of a 2 in the offense…then he’s a 3.

Fluid positionality is only useful when you have the personnel for it. Scottie Pippen and Lamar Odom can bring up the ball, Jared Jeffries can play the top of the zone, Anthony Randolph can play the 3,4, or 5. But Gallo is a 3.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 6, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely would argue

Lebron being the best of this generation. I say Kobe. Tim Duncan the best PF? If he is a PF i’m also putting Bill Russell, Moses Malone, Willis Reed as PF too. all shorter than Duncan. Still think he’s best PF ever? not to mention Karl Malone.

by The Bronx-178st on Oct 6, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willis Reed was only 6'9 250ish

In other words, the same height as LeBron, but not as built. Does that make Willis Reed a small foward? Or LeBron a center?

by flossy on Oct 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be argumentative

you get my point. Duncan is a Center for all intents and purposes. Not the best ever at PF or C.

by The Bronx-178st on Oct 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may be the height of a center but he has rarely played the position

Go look at the Spurs teams, Duncan came INTO the league as a PF and the Spurs have always had a guy to play at center… he began with The Admiral, but since then their centers have been essentially simple role players that allow Duncan to play his natural PF spot. This is why they are so excited to have a guy like Tiago Splitter now…

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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, playing Center has little to do with how tall you are.

Garnett, Nowitski, Amar’e, all PFs dude. KG and Dirk are both 6’11"/7’0" too.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 10, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep Our Fingers Cross

Rumors is the R.Fernandez trade is in play again with Portland. Let’s hope, so we can end this Gallo issue. Felton/Fernandez our 1/2 and then Chandler/Mozgov/Stoudemire our 3/4/5. Wow! Now we concentrate on getting Carmelo next. Mr. Walsh get the Rudy deal done asap and then go for the kill in getting Carmelo. “Carpe Diem”

by Dziedzic on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

rudy wants out of the nba and does he make our team better? hell no.

like those who want melo now, i’d say this again it’s too early to say that we need melo or anybody else so let this team be and let them kids grow. and of course the more haterade the more they admit to themselves that they are admirers but you know just displacing all those unknown stuff or feelings to gallo. be more creative please, just sublimate.

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Oct 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Creative Please?

Wake up, Gallinari is only a shooter and nothing more. Thats fact and not being creative as you request. What are you about winning games with the Knicks or being creative please?
It been since the 1970’s that we won this championship. Please be creative…There is no hate towards Gallinari just that he does not fit in starting in the NBA here or anywhere else. He is so overrated it makes sick and you ask me to be creative please. The guy can shoot from the outside, cannot rebound, cannot go tto the hoop to make good on freethrows because he is soft and cannot play defense at the 2/3/4 spots. How difficult is thias to understand that he is a backup PF playing against second unit players from the other team. Stop watching the Knicks and root for another team that would take him. If he is not hitting his jump shot, he is not worth a damn.

by Dziedzic on Oct 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both Gallo and Will are better

Defensively than Fernandez.

Defense is one of the reasons Fernandez can’t get more burn in Portland.

There is no Gallo issue. He’s a superlative shooter in a system that needs shooters. He has issues defensively, but so did Alan Houston, Ray Allen, Alan Iverson, Steve Nash, on and on and on. Didn’t stop any of them from being All Stars. Gallo has the chops to be an elite caliber shooter, so he plays. This really isn’t complicated.

Trading for Fernandez only helps if we don’t lose much to get him. Otherwise, I think we really need to see what we have, before assuming getting someone else’s leftovers is an upgrade, yes??

by AtlKnicksFan on Oct 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was being marv albert

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni doesn't give

a shit about defense anyway so that’s a non factor. as long as whatever we trade does not prevent us from trading for Melo this season, if that presents itself, I say go for it. Fernandez is injury prone, but he is also very aggresive and energetic offensively. This team can not have ENOUGH aggression and energy.

by The Bronx-178st on Oct 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

stupid comment.... a team that racks up the pace must play d to run up the score

it’s a proven thing, magic’s lakers were a running team. the 11 championships the celtics had? clyde will tell you that they were a fast breaking team. it’s in the dna of a running team always has and always will be.

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Oct 6, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gallo

came in last year and wanted to defend the best player remember when he went 1 on 1 with melo

melo got his but gallo showed no fear got in his face and made him turn it over a couple times gallo can defend other SG id rather see the four 6’10 plus guys on the floor

 lets see what them clowns from miami can do with that

by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Oct 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

he has good instincts on defense

but he doesn’t have much in the way of lateral quickness or explosive leaping ability.

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's alot like the anti-amar'e

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Oct 6, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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