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Timberwolves 106, Knicks 100

Well, I missed most of the second half of today's game in Paris on account of class (highlight: "The 1960s was really when memory research got its swerve on"), so forgive me this sub-par recap. Still, I think I've got this one pretty much figured out. The worn and weary Knicks were outworked by the Timberwolves, getting totally porked in hustle statistics like rebounding (62-35) and free throws (46-25). If the Wolves didn't start the game by practically giving away the ball (30 turnovers, 17 in the first half!), this would have been a blowout loss. Really, though, both teams played like mule poop. It was preseason basketball through and through, and the usual preseason maxim applies: Do not overreact to preseason performance unless it is positive performance.

That said, we've got prollums. Take the jump for a smattering of notes.

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- Somebody has to rebound. No Knick had more than 6 rebounds (granted, no Knick besides Raymond Felton played more than 21 minutes, but still...) and the Wolves were treated to EIGHTEEN second chances. Gone are the days when one man could be pretty much relied upon to corral every unclaimed ball (which, by the way, is exactly what Kevin Love does for Minnesota). Amar'e Stoudemire, Timofey Mozgov, and Ronny Turiaf all make a decent effort to mind the glass, but none has that innate ability to box out on time, gauge angles appropriately, and grasp the board tightly. The closest thing the Knicks have to my idea of a natural rebounder is Anthony Randolph, who often finds himself out of position because he's contesting shots.

- And that's really the flip side of the rebounding coin. The good news is that the Knicks continued to block shots in this one. Ronny Turiaf swatted two, Timofey Mozgov bloc'd two of his own, and even Roger Mason Jr. snuck in to block a couple. More than any recent squad, this team is meeting fools at the rim and making them pay for their boldness.

- And that's point three. Timofey Mozgov continues to impress, but he's putting a ceiling on his own minutes. Timo fouled out in under 15 minutes, and a number of those calls were for silly stuff like moving screens and loose ball contact (Heheheh...loose ball contact.). Mozgov is more than welcome to foul people who drive into the lane. No layups and all that. Excellent. He desperately needs to be taught how to set a stationary screen and not to tweak people's nipples while rebounding, though, or he'll never get extended spin.

- Danilo Gallinari played a really dreadful game of basketball today. He forced a lot of really awkward, off-balance shots and couldn't even connect on his open looks (1-8 from downtown in total). Credit Gallo with grabbing 6 boards as a supplement, but games like today's just aren't going to fly in the regular season. Mike Breen reminded us that Gallo was exhausted by several straight days of constant activity in Milan, which I think is actually a pretty reasonable excuse. Still...can't happen. Not now, not never.

- Amar'e Stoudemire's jumper looked nice and wet, but he's handling the ball a bit too much for my liking. Pick and roll ALL NIGHT. Against defenders like Darko Milicic and Kevin Love, Amar'e should be able to roll right to the rim, or at least draw contact.

- Speaking of the pick-and-roll, I'd like to see Raymond Felton work with the ball a little more. Part of the onus falls on rebounders to find him in transition, but it's mostly on Raymond to hold the ball a bit and check down his receivers before he hands it off (/amateur football analogy). So far, Felton's lack of comfort with his teammates is readily apparent, as is to be expected.

- Anthony Randolph, as advertised, made some absolutely dazzling plays (a steal and coast-to-coast dunk, a GORGEOUS one-handed pass to a cutting Bill Walker), but also forced threes and committed some silly fouls. Just remember to be patient with Anthony. He means well.

- I didn't get to see much of Andy Rautins, but I did see him play some very pesky defense. In one sequence, he blocked Kevin Love's shot and THEN drew a charge after Love recovered the ball.

- Wilson Chandler looked really solid in the time that I saw him. He was unstoppable in transition and also stepped into jumpers confidently both off the bounce and off the catch.

- The ball getting stuck in the rim is never not funny.

- Does Martell Webster look like he could be 30? I say no. He could be 40.

- Halftime featured an exceedingly awkward segment about Walt Frazier purchasing hats at a hattery (new word) in Paris. The money line (while sporting a fedora):

This is the gangster look that i used to have when they called me Clyde.

BOOM.

- Our friend Mets2k9 sent me some notes from the parts of the game I missed. Some highlights:

Ronny Turiaf's hair situation is reminiscent of Jack Sparrow's.

The Pita I'm eating now is delicious.

HOLY SHIT, DWTDD JUST DOVE INTO THE STANDS TO GET THE BALL.  HOLY SHIZNIT SETH.  He also took out a plaid wearing frenchman, which i think is similar to what happened to start World War I

Man knows how to take notes like a pro.

- I am very sad that I missed Shawne Williams' chance to spin in orange and blue. It sounds as if it was magical.

Anyway, it was an ugly, ugly outing for a team that needs some rest. Thankfully, they're headed back to the States and don't play again until next week. Au revoir. We'll talk tomorrow. <3

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Seth man your the high priest.

Help us with our rebounding and 3 point shooting. The Wolves aren’t even a big team, we should have won that game… I hope it’s just preseason woes and nothing more.

It could happen, look at Mark Sanchez in the preseason and look at him now! I rather we play bad now and get it all out of the way instead of starting the season on a bad foot. Stay optimistic my friends and go easy on Felton. A lot of fans on other Knick boards are blaming him.

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by MikeTheIntern on Oct 6, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

meh

there isnt really a lot of blame to be placed anywhere… we’re still giving the entire team some burn, so the spreading of minutes will continue. But the only qualms i have w/ the two capteeons are: 1) like seth pointed out..amare seems to be dribbling too much in spots on the court that are hazardous to turnovers.. and 2) Dont know if this is something i personally dont like or if its unanimous..but i HATE that cross the court heave pass that felton has done in each of these games… it kind of makes him seem… i dont know.. o.c

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 7, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of memory

i forget…

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

word

I think he invented the whole thing. It aint the season yet and what the fuck is a timberwolf anyway?

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's a crayola color

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Oct 6, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sethanigans?!

You talkin’ ’bout Sethanigans?!

by ThisIsTraps on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta shoot my way up outta

sethanigans!

-quoth ghostface (douglas)

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by stingy d on Oct 6, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wu-tang!

I’m on a mission that n****s say is Impossible but when I swing my swords they all choppable!
GZA – Mozzie

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 6, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sprinkled in there were a few useable notes

Most were just about food/celebrity look alikes

Help us raise enough money for Amar'e's circumcision!

by Mets2k9 on Oct 6, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else think

Wil is gonna have a total breakout season this year? His jumper’s lookin really nice, he can drive well, is in good shape and healthy.
Irrational predicton for his stat line:
18 pts 6.5 reb 2.5 ast 1 stl 1 blk .46/.31/.82%

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that one thing that can hold him back is how d'antoni handles the rotaion

like in today’s game will started off the game playing really well but if d’antoni is going to bring Randy and douglas off the bench first and replace chandler early it might lead him to loose his rhythm. I think it was a contributing factor in wilson disappearing the rest of today’s game after he came out he sat for a while. we will see but the dangers of having a big rotation is guys might lose rhythm

by TJF2787 on Oct 6, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

word

hard to imagine how much faith they have in chandler if theyve been shopping him

by enron4515 on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He came strong out the gate yesterday. If he shoots with that kind of confidence he could have a great season, because he’ll be able to get more time at more positions.

by paxon on Oct 8, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bloc'd

lawlz

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

not too many worries

Preseason is for pringles to try different lineups! some are going to gel some arent. eh, plus once shawne williams gets big minutes he will be scoring in the high 30s….. he did in 2k11

by Phillip P on Oct 7, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Loose ball contact

by SupaMauhn on Oct 7, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Fields gets no respect here

and it’s really starting to annoy me. Nowhere is he mentioned in this post although he was the second leading scorer in only 16 minutes of action with a very respectable 5-9 shooting. In a recent poll on this blog of who the most surprising Knick would be he didn’t even rate as one of the choices. Wake up people! This guy is good. Very good. He deserves some love and a lot more playing time.

I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,

by YuckFou on Oct 7, 2010 2:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Here is my starting five

C-Mosgov
PF-Stat
SF-Fields
PG- I don’t give a fuck
SG- I don’t give a fuck

I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,

by YuckFou on Oct 7, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're gettin

way too ahead of yourself…Fields looks good, yeah…but starting SF?? You think he’s better than Chandler right now? C’mon son

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 7, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK put Chandler in as my SG

and yes I do think he is better than Chandler, and so will you once he gets some PT.

I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,

by YuckFou on Oct 7, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

idk man

I can’t sip on that Koolaid

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 7, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you look at the box score for this game

It would be almost a wash except that Fields outscored Chandler by a point in 4 less minutes and had 1 pf to Chandler’s 5, got to the line twice as much, and has a much more interesting haircut. Advantage Fields.

I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,

by YuckFou on Oct 7, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

This "game"

is a preseason game. And 1 game isn’t enough to call him better. Can he become better than Chandler? I think it could happen…but to say he is right now, no way

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 7, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

cmon yuckmouth

I was impressed by fields court awareness and his knack to get contact when he knew his shot wasnt going to be easy. But at this point..fields is not better than chandler. You can look at the pts/min ratio all you want. But field got minutes vs the unit that didnt start the game…and also towards the end of a preseason match up. Different intensity from a different set of players.

Fields is very good for a rookie..but no way is he a starter over chandler right now.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 7, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree about the hair

the faux hawk is played out.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps it is played out.

but it is still more interesting.than Chandler’s. At least to me anyway..

I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,

by YuckFou on Oct 7, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to chime in way late

I missed the part of the game in which Fields played, hence his not being included in the recap.

by Seth on Oct 11, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

with the poor injury of d-wade we can cue amare’s signing as a blessing (wait huh he is ok?) well still its good to watch this video just gives me chills i think mike posted it b4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcLSc19bf-U&feature=related

just epic and should be p&t’s permanent video (especially if he wins us a championship) :)

Gang green nation!

Now lets go get a F#@ing snack!

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Oct 7, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Only the second game of the season

pre-season at that. There will be good games and bad games….However, I don’t like the 5 TO’s by Felton. He seems kinda Chris Duhan -ish in his first few games, kinda O.C. with the ball. I expect him to get better tho. gallo is once again falling in love w/ the 3…this is the gallo I don’t really care for. The non-agressive, lazy gallo….drive to the hoop, create some contact, get to the line please…this is when he gets in ryhthm…3-13! shit!!. I can see rebounding is gonna be a huge problem this year tho….if they are going to get outrebounded on a nightly basis, and our leading rebounder is getting 6-7 a game….this is gonna be a long year. The defense still is VERY suspect..they still just don’t look good on D. TD looked good off the bench as did Fields…Will looks better too. Still not sure what to make of Mozgov. He has nice moves in the paint, but can’t rebound and gets in fould trouble. Time will tell tho…I still think this is a better team than last year, I’m not sure it’s a playoff team tho….I’m just trying to enjoy the Yankees and football right now…looks like it may be a long basketball season….

by Jason Bee on Oct 7, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you always so positive Jason?

Just kidding. The D wasnt too bad, what I see is them being TOO aggressive. Overplaying for blocks and getting out of position. They just need to be more disciplined on D and not go for the swat everytime. They cared on D though, thats already an improvement.

They have to figure out the rebounding, that wasnt cool.

Gallo should be banned from 3’s in practice. Force that dude to learn to stop settling.

by JerzeeBalla on Oct 7, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope your right about the D...

they did give up 113 points to a AJ Milano team that averaged roughly around 72-74 points in euro play last year….and 106 points to a Twolves team that averaged about 98 last year….that’s not a good trend…but, it is only pre-season…

by Jason Bee on Oct 7, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

not for nothin

10 minute quarters vs 12 minute quarters. so… pretty close to a 5 period game for milan.

and we lost to the timberwolves in preseason. nobody played much more than 20 minutes.

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by stingy d on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

shooting %

dont look at pts given up. The wolves shot what, 40%? thats pretty good. And avout their 98pt avg… they had a 10 player turnoveer on the roster.. so comparing last years stats is like when someone compares our team now to last years.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 7, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

right

and Milano shot 48% from the field….that means that both teams got easy, high percentage shots off….is that really an improvement on D?

by Jason Bee on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

not both

T-wolves shot 40%, that means they werent gettin a lot of open looks or layups

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Oct 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and no matter what

its much too early for anyone to be wrong.

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by stingy d on Oct 8, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

But I think the defense is a huge improvement. The rebounding is absolutely awful though. Somebody’s got to go get the ball. I love Gallo, love his personality, and love his swagger, but if those 1-8 from three nights happen too often, it’s Al Harrington II out there. At least he picked up 6 rebounds.

We’ll see about Felton – the guy has to have a bit of time to get comfortable with the system and his teammates. It’s definitely possible he’s just not all that good. On the other hand, Toney Douglas is looking very good.

Biggest problem is the lack of a real motivated and talented rebounder. Turiaf is a smart defender and I think a useful player, but not a terrific rebounder, and it seems like Randolph may have some Camby-like rebounding talent, but if the motivation isn’t there we will have a problem.

by fuhry on Oct 7, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i really think Gallo was pooped

I dont know what he was doing in Italy, but I am damn well sure it wasnt sleeping and practicing. I bet that was the craziest couple days in the young guys life.

Plus, there is a little bit of a jetlag from Italy to Paris, no?

I think I would have been more surprised if he had a great game.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see the emphasis on being tired

yea he prolly did too much on this trip..but if your that dry from the arc.. change the game up and dig a bit deeper in your “bag of moves”. Gallo 3 wasnt workin..so i expected him to work through it with midrange, post ups, put backs maybe? Overall i noticed he didnt play rebounds well(wasnt physical enough) and he settled for the missing 3 way too much. We know he isnt one dimensional…right?!

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think he took the game off mentaly

which, being a preseason game in france, is not the end of the world.

All the things he didnt do sound like the result of tired legs to me.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

positively thinking

i agree.. but from a standpoint of holding danillo to a higher standard..i expected more adjustments on his behalf.

but yea.. its pre season.. just nit picking on what i can.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 7, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Knicks might be awful in the beginning of the season

They’ll need time to learn how to play together as a team.

Sandy Alderson for GM!
R.A. Dickey for Governor!

by Russ on Oct 7, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

thats why I think training camp should be longer

its here then gone in the blink of an eye

Ronny Turiaf plays here

DECLARE

by total hermination on Oct 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah

Into the fire, man. It’s the only way to really grow.

by fuhry on Oct 7, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

ours was a little longer.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 mo is long enough

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

And also yes, R.A. Dickey for Governor

by fuhry on Oct 7, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Moz is going to have trouble with moving screens a lot

since they’re legal in FIBA. He’s going to have to adapt his game. I’m surprised he doesn’t have more goaltending calls against him.

by Taylor Bartle on Oct 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

preseason is preseason

It’s for evaluating talent, playing the guys who might not make the team and deciding who’s going to stay and who’s going to play. You don’t play guys like Amar’e and Felton 40 minutes in preseason just to get the W.

by Taylor Bartle on Oct 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

every

time i see randolph play i get a stiffy….once he learns to take care of the ball and make good decisions he’ll be a monster….

by hopelessknickfan on Oct 7, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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