Should Benching Gallo Be An Option? You tell me.
We're going through hard times guys. We're in mid November, still early in the season but a 3 game losing streak is not a welcome thing no matter when it happens. This is especially true when said streak is not obtained going up against the league's fiercest competition.
Yeah, fans are gonna panic. We should be use to it, but to hell with that we wanna win.
Let me assure you my highly pissed-off bretheren, insanity is not the answer.
There's been lots of infighting amongst our community, comments start off just trying to be clever until the responses get snarkier and snarkier until we are possessed by snark demons and we end up attacking each other.
One of the most fiery topics, is the state of Danilo Gallinari's play.
I'd like to tackle this in a civilized debating fashion, not with the intent of changing anyone's mind on the matter but instead to engage in open dialogue and give the opportunity for those both against and for number 8 to fully explain their thoughts and feelings and the reasoning behind them.
Bonzai.
Personally, I don't feel Gallinari is the best player on our roster but he is one of the top 5 and until we find a better option or a combo of players that show better results his spot should remain his without question. I have no problem with Pringles pulling him early or yanking him out the line up should he cost us games, but that'd have to be based on something I saw myself and not as a reaction to the teams overall shitty play.
And if you like links, here is what I've seen:
He really can do alot more than shoot.
He doesn't often show it but he can PASS.
He doesn't often show it but when he decides to attack he can finish hard at the rim , there is plenty of evidence of this...I assure you.
His defense isn't great it could use some work, but I do think he has more to offer on that end than say a....Carmelo Anthony(not saying we shouldn't pick him up, just sayin) when he's motivated.
After watching his time with the Knicks I see nothing to suggest he is a bum or a "bad" player. If anything I give him more credit because I seriously think Al Harrington hindered his development .
He really is a smart player who has a terrific skill set for a 6'10" forward.
I keep hearing these calls to bench him quick...okay but for who??? Maybe it could be a consideration IF Azubuike gets healthy but still, I can't even think of an individual player at Gallinari's position and experience that has been more productive let alone anyone on this team.
It's not all peaches and cream though. I find my biggest problem with Danilo is a common problem amongst young players, he is inconsistent. He can do all these things yet he chooses to use his jump shot as a crutch and cling to it as a safety net of sorts...which is kinda problematic when it isn't falling.
I've said enough. I want to hear from you. Do you think things will click and Gallinari will "get it"? How high is his ceiling? If we end up trading him, will we have to dispatch another one of Wilson Chandler's toofuses when we meet in order to combat him? The floor is yours...banter gentlemen, banter.
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take Gallo off and start who?
Wilson Chandler is already a starter, so I don’t see which sub could be considered better than Gallinari.
I agree
despite his lapses, he is easily one of the teams best players IMO
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 13, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
He's not bad. Its just that we don't have an offense.
We run absolutely no plays to get the guy a shot. Whats he supposed to do? The only time they look for him is when they get trapped and need to get rid of it to someone. No one ever sets a screen to get him free, either when he has the ball or when he’s off the ball. Its impossible for a shooter to get into a rhythm when the offense NEVER runs a play to get him a good look and when he goes for eons without any meaningful touches.
If he doesn’t come out on fire, and drillig shots unconciously from anywhere, you won’t even know he’s out there.
Gallo tried force them yesterday in the 4th running under the basket while the knicks tried getting it Amare
Even when Amare was facing Gallo he wouldn’t pass it in – he (Amare) at least made the shot on one of the plays. It’s Felton’s job to get guys involved. We do not run plays to him in the 2nd half. 3 touches in the 4th resulted in a missed 3, charge and 2 foul shots. I like Gallo getting in the paint. He at least draws fouls. Wilson still doesn’t do that…but then he’s a pretty average foul shooter anyway right now.
Your points above are spot on. No one is getting a rhythm or flow. TD is worse tho. He fiocuses almost entirely on the left side of the floor. We are NOT spreading the floor even with ball movement. The best examples usually come from plays involving Turiaf, Gallo and/or Fields
We run absolutely no plays to get the guy a shot.
true in fact I don’t think we run plays at all besides late game situations.
but I absolutely know what u mean
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 13, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions
I was of the same mind as a lot of people, and was really frustrated about Gallo. But i realized how this team seemingly has no thought of making use of him in the Chicago game. He comes out scorching for 20 points in the first half. Then to start the second half, Amare comes out hoggin and not a thought was made to get Gallo involved. He got lost in the shuffle and didn’t even seem to get a touch until the 4th quarter, by which time he’s gone completey cold.
Shooters don’t get the ball and make shots happen. Scorers do. Gallo is a shooter. He needs some screens or a guy that can draw the defense away from him. Its impossible for him to be productive in offense that runs the way we run our offense. We have absolutely no ball movement and only screen when we run P&R. Gallo’s lack of production is not his fault.
Well we know who will tell you that its the only way to win...
but no, benching Gallo doesn’t really make sense. They need a shooter in the starting lineup, and he’s basically the only one (Felton’s a good shooter, but the PG..)
Pringles benches Gallo anyway when he doesn’t score.
I wish he’d bench Chandler when he starts chucking up bricks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
This
I wish he’d bench Chandler when he starts chucking up bricks.
Why is Chandler taking 16 shots/game? And TD 11? And Gallo only 10? When Gallo is a more efficient scorer than either of them? If we have to run plays to get him open, so be it… it’s better than bad shooters just out there becoming ball stoppers.
This
I wish he’d bench Chandler when he starts chucking up bricks.
Why is Chandler taking 16 shots/game? And TD 11? And Gallo only 10? When Gallo is a more efficient scorer than either of them? If we have to run plays to get him open, so be it… it’s better than bad shooters just out there becoming ball stoppers.
one of the most common gallo complaints...
is that he “drifts” or “fades”. forget his skill set for a moment, it might benefit him and the team to put him in opportunities that make it impossible for him to “drift” or “fade”… ie… having him come off the bench with a purpose.
for whatever reasons, the guy doesn’t have a presence on the court. he’s too stagnant, he doesn’t demand the ball, he doesn’t really create for others, at least when he’s starting.
granted, his skill set might be top 5, but his production may not be, nor may his chemistry be with other players.
maybe having him come off the bench might give him an identity that he’s not developing as a starter.
maybe we start felton, fields, chandler, amare and mozgov and bring TD, gallo, turiaf and randolph off the bench with a little walker as needed. this is a more conventional lineup (though it lacks outside shooting, which might be a blessing because we’re relying on it too much anyway).
thoughts?
its a team-wide epidemic
doesn’t matter who’s on the court, they all shoot the ball from 3..except thankfully Turiaf and Mozgov.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
maybe having him come off the bench might give him an identity that he’s not developing as a starter.
things might work with him off the bench but my biggest problem with this suggestion that I still have not found an answer for is for who? Until Azubuike is healthy, if he gets healthy who do you replace him with on a nightly basis that is more productive or at the very least creates a positive influence during crunch time?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 13, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
The Truth.com
Exactly how i feel in a nut shell. We may lack the so-called outside threat that Gallo is supposed to be in the starting line-up, but bringing him off the bench makes him option #1 when Amare takes a sit. Run most of the offense thru him with the second unit were he can be a true threat. And if we could ever get some E.Curry in that unit that might help with our lack of size too.
Gallo aint shit, FACE IT!!!!!! He is a DISGRACE to the # 8 worn by the Great Latrell Sprewell, And Pringles needs to be fired ASAP!!!!
Gallinari??????
I only been saying it since training camp.
Based on the new & improved talent of th eteam the guy should be on the bench.
They the coaching staff have been giving him a pass all year by having other players moving around to accomodate his flaws.
Yes Flaws.
Not a NBA Starter talent plan and simple.
No
Because havig start next to Stoudemire gives them threats on both wings which allows for less double team on Stoudemire. Chandler watching SF is better defense then having him watching second unit PF and or C. Gallinari cannot deend SF that are starters. Hi sdefense sucks and it shows.
Because havig start next to Stoudemire gives them threats on both wings which allows for less double team on Stoudemire.
This less double team on Stoudemire thing you keep talking about is totally dependent on Chandler knocking down the open shot consistently, at least enough to be a threat.
Sooo you mean to tell me your hatred of Gallinari is that fanatically delluded you think Wilson Chandler is a better shooter than him?
As far as Chandler’s defense goes:
1) I really don’t think the defense is as big as a problem as the offense right now and if D even was the problem it’d be D at the 4 spot.
2) I’ve seen Chandler get beat a few times myself. He is a good defender, maybe best on the team but he is not a great defender. A good defender with great athleticism yes, but I don’t think that’s enough to turn things around
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Chandler is a solid three and candefend three palyers far better then Gallinari ever dreamed of. When he is defending four position he gets over powered somtimes. Now regarding hitting his shot to open it up for Stoudemire. It goes like this. W.Chandler plays the three spot in the corner along with cutting off the wing to the basket with the ball or without. Stoudemire sees this and gives him the pass and that opens it up for Stoudemire. Now you have to watch Chandler on the open weakside shot and him going to the basket with the ball and on for the pass. If Soudemire takes it and shoots it himself then you have Chandler under the basket to have the opportunity to get the rebound while Mozgov boxes out. This doe shappen with Gallinari because he just stands there waiting to take the jump shot with not threat to go to the basket. He is soft and lets leave it at that. The wo dunks he had early was a schock to see. In th eNBA players cannot paly out of position for long periods of time because it will show the team flaws. Chnadler belongs no othe rplace but at the starting three. Now getting back to you Rooster. There is a place for him int he second unit when needed for outside shooting.Thats his palce nothing more. How else can we put it. Chandler taking BS top of the key jump shots is a joke when starting at the three they can have him the corner or taking the ball to the hope while Fileds sets a pick for him. Did ever see Gallinari set picks. Stands there like a sissy ptting his hands in th eair like he is always getting push around. Well the answe ris he is soft and he is getting pushed around period. A double three at the the 3 and 4 spot in Stoudemire and Chandler will open it up for Mozgov and Fileds to contribute more while Felton does his thing.
Stoudemire sees this and gives him the pass and that opens it up for Stoudemire.
This is where I stopped reading because STAT sees nothing but the basket. He passes to no one. He would gladly dribble off his leg in a triple team in the middle of the paint rather than kick it out to an open man.
In fairness
I dont think he really starts doing this until we start losing the lead are go through a scoring drought…the more time we go without a basket the worse it gets
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
WTF..
are you watching?! If Gallo was a true three point threat, then Amare would get 1 on 1 on defense instead of 5 on 1. The kid is not well! If Gallo starts hitting those open three’s more, then it will open up the offense. The 2 games we won, TD was doing this. He’s gone cold, but Gallo’s a starter. Please stop trying to blame Amare for the Knicks struggles. The guy would be averaging 30 a game if would start hitting some threes!
I was watching Amare waste about 5 possessions in row with a turnover in an isolated one-on-one scenario.
Im far from a Gallo apologist, but the guy has to get the ball in hands at a time and place where he can shoot it. All of his touches seem to come from hustling for loose balls at this point.
Describe to me the play we run to get Gallo a good shot where he keeps missing. Describe to me that time where Amare got the ball in the low post, took two dribbles into the lane and drew Gallo’s man away and he kicked it out to him for an open 3.
When do these open 3s that you claim he’s missing happen? I don’t think i’ve ever seen him this season have a good shot off of a well executed offensive set. All of his open looks happen by accident.
so many things...
first, I think the fact Chandler can guard so many positions makes him a better candidate to come off the bench. Also, it’s nice to defend multiple positions, it’s a terrific skill but ideally when a palyer is on the court he is defending one man at a time.
next…
Stoudemire sees this and gives him the pass and that opens it up for Stoudemire. Now you have to watch Chandler on the open weakside shot and him going to the basket with the ball and on for the pass. If Soudemire takes it and shoots it himself then you have Chandler under the basket to have the opportunity to get the rebound while Mozgov boxes out.
what? you gonna have ta etch a sketch me a diagram cause I don’t see how this solves all our problems. What happen’s to the dude who’s guarding Stoudemire and suppose Chandler’s man is playing off him? Am I missing something here?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I understand most of what you say
and I won’t dismiss the idea of Gallinari coming off the bench but for who?
Chandler alongside Mozgov at the five and Amare at the four?
put aside the offensive deficiency that line up produces in this system, on defense Mozgov’s trouble gaurding big men without fouling will have Gallinari back on the floor regardless.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 13, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
No
Stoudemire at the four and Chandler at the three will allow for Mozgov to concentrate on boxing out for them to clear the boards. Fields is a good defender and what I mean by this is that he plays his man well along with rebounding, setting picks and keeping his guy out of the paint so the guys down low don’t have extra guys jumping on their backs. Rebounding is about positioning and our case Fields,Felton and Mozgov box out it allows Chandler and Stoudemire to block shots along with rebounding better. You need ten guys to win in the NBA today. All I am saying is put the round pegs in the round holes and square pegs in the square holes. We waisted the first ten games not developing chemistry. Gallianri is th eproblem starting and Chandler is being waisted in the second unit. His numbers starting will go up along with Mozgov and Fileds. Why? because Chandler makes players around him better like Fields and Felton. This is a asset towards wins. Gallinari is all about him and his shot. He is to one demensional to be starting. A second unit of Randolph/Turiaf/Gallinari/Douglas/Mason is not a bad unit. We just don’t have the second unit in order yet because we doon’t have al the right pieces. however, we should not ruin the starting five because of this.
exactly!
we should not ruin the starting five because of this
So Gallo stays – we agree. Beauteeful.
Chandler makes players around him better like Fields and Felton
hmmm…uh, I think ur overvaluing Chandler. At best he and Gallinari are of the same value and talent level. I don’t even have a problem with you thinking Wil is better than Gallo but as of now…Wil is a role player. A role player. Role. Player.
He has had a number of years on this team to make a number of players better to no avail
but I really don’t think anyone expects him to do that because he doesn’t handle the ball enough to create for his teammates and he doesn’t have the handle to handle the ball to create for his teammates.
Wilson Chandler can’t create for himself let alone his teammates so I’m struggling to understand your position. I think maybe we aren’t on the same page when it comes to “making his teammates better”
but from my understanding if that’s what your basing this lineup off of…this line up that returns us to “glory” I have a hard time seeing it
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry Smack...
but although I agree that we have no outside threat to start at small forward over Gallo, WTF do you mean chandler can’t reate for himself?! He doesn’t have plays run for him anymore than Gallo does. Meantime he’s averaging 17 a game while Gallo is a little over 12. What does that prove? He can do much more with the ball in his hands than you give him credit for. Not to mention block shots and rebound, somthing we haven’t seen from Gallo this season. Let’s not pull Gallo yet, but also lets cut the bull about him being better than Chandler. That, he hasn’t proven yet, and it doesn’t look like he’ll will this year, either.
but how does he get those 12?
an occasional three here and there, a put back here and there and slashing to the basket.
I fail to see where Chandler is creating his own shot on a consistent basis, maybe yr right but I haven’t seen it.
I’m not saying he doesn’t score, because he does, he is an excellent slasher. but if you put him in isolation, one on one with a solid defender and he’s not getting the ball off a cut, screen or back door I’d be surprised if he scored 5 out of 10 times.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
and I never said Gallo was a better player than Chandler
so I think u misunderstand me, I think our defense is improved and the offense right now is a bigger problem. Being that I think Gallo is the better offensive player he needs to be in the line up, specifically because he’s a better shooter.
but overall I don’t give either the edge over the other. Both are versatile in different ways. I find Gallo to be better offensively and Chandler defensively. They cancel each other out and are both on the same talent tier.
If I implied one was better than the other apologies, I should have been clearer, the differential swings on the either side of the ball for each respectively.
honestly just talking about it makes me want to see them play one on one.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
but how does he get those 12?
*srry, should read “how does he get those 17”
really, I love Wil aint tryna short him
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 16, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with Gallo
Anyone who’s watched the Knicks should realize this- Mozgov helps the Knicks defense but has killed the offense. Same for Randolph, but even worse. The Knicks started to play bad as soon as Anthony Randolph came back. I don’t think either are terrible, but the Knicks will likely be bad while they get into the flow of things. Also, they should not be on the court at the same time.
Two other recent issues that have plagued the Knicks:
1) Chandler absolutely can’t handle starting, and is shooting too much off the bench also. He’s an offensive black hole as he tries to pad his stats during his contract season.
2) Turiaf is the Knicks best option at center, by far. They can’t get their offense of defense going without him.
Four reasons for optimism:
1) Roger Mason Jr. isn’t playing much anymore.
2) Bill Walker will probably play better.
3) Amare always starts slow but will get in a rhythm.
4) After those first few games when Danilo’s wrist was taped up, he’s shot well.
but there's also not much right with gallo these days...
while chandler may be a black hole… at least he is active. i often find myself watching felton dribble, amare run from high post to low post, fields darting and cutting, and chandler chucking… wondering who the 5th player is on the court.
gallo’s a dim bulb on the court way too often. you can barely notice him and this is bad for chemistry and production.
not trying to kill the kid. he’s young and has some ingredients, but he’s missing something, and no one has figured out what it is yet.
he’s missing that thing he had last year going against melo. it seems he wants to be great, but only as an individual player… he hasn’t learned how to be a team player, doing the things that make the 5 on the floor more productive
But hows he supposed to shake free? No one sets screens for him. Felton and Amare run the P&R out at the 3-point line, so if his man cheats off to help he can recover in one step. There’s no inside out game. Theres no ball movement. Hows he supposed to get off? Even when he gets hot, they don’t look to feed him.
What Coach?
D’Antoni is so overrated it isn’t funny anymore. He to along with hi sbaby Gallinari are talented Euro Head Coaches and players. We are in the NBA not some Euro League.
Since the tap came off his the wrist on his shooting hand:
Gallo: 32 minutes per game, 16.7 ppg on only 10 shots/game, 40% from the field, 38% percent from 3, 94% from the line, 5.2 rpg
Wilson Chandler: 29 minutes per game, 15 ppg on 16 shots/game, 40% from the field, 33% from 3, 72% from the line, 4.8 rpg
Not only should Gallo be starting, he should be shooting more, and Chandler less.
by flossy on Nov 13, 2010 7:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i miss the days
when we had a…
1 who could dribble, drive, defend and dish (ward or harper)
2 who could shoot, slash and score (starks or houston)
3 who could score, defend, dunk (sprewell or even johnny newman for cryin out loud)
4 who could rebound, intimidate and score (oakley, LJ or mason)
5 who could rebound, block, dunk and score (ewing or even camby)
shits all confused now with bigs who shoot and smalls who dunk.
what’s gallo again?
whatchoo got against johnny?
fair enough… how about gerald wilkins?
by bucketsncents on Nov 14, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
well
if you can show me a better talent on this team that should start instead point him or her out
by hopelessknickfan on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions
Gallos strength is supposed to be his shooting ability
Granted it definitely hasn’t felt like a strength this far. However, None of our other starters are known for their outside shooting ability nearly as much as Gallo. Sure, Felton can hit a jumper, but he has only recently shown a 3pt ability and it still isn’t a shot I would rely on him for. Chandler can hit a 3 as well, but as we have seen in the past, he shows a habit of taking them at the wrong times and hitting a generally low % of them. Landry seems to have an excellent shot selection, but with him being a rookie and a rookie who seems to cut to the rim more than settle for a jumper, I would be hesitant to rely on him for his long-distance shooting. It’s only a handful of games into the season so I am not ready to declare him such an outside ace.
So to me, the issue is less that Gallo has started poorly, but more of what he is capable of bringing to the table nightly. Our starting lineup really does NOT have any pure shooters. Call Gallo what you will, (I personally don’t see him as one-dimensional), but we all should be able to agree that he CAN shoot. For simply having a diverse offensive set, every NBA team needs at least 1 guy who can be counted on for long distance shooting. Otherwise, opposing defenses just collapse on the lane and make it more difficult to score. You need those defenses to have to cover the outside threat to be continuously successful.
So on a strictly Starter vs. Off-The-Bench basis, well, Gallo should stay a starter because no one else on our roster has shown an ability to consistently hit from long range.
Now, yes, Gallo HASN’T been hitting from long range, and part of that I do put on him not being aggressive enough to demand the ball. He does disappear more than he should. But the Knicks should also look to include him more than they do (Felton/Amare). Maybe they don’t because of his cold start, I dunno.
But to bench him in favor of a guy like Chandler who does NOT increase your outside shooting ability will hinder the Knicks options and make it even easier for defenses to stop the Knicks. I’d like to see Gallo play more like Chandler who seems to have upped his aggressiveness and recognize that more people on this team need to WANT to score. I believe he has gotten many of his points because the rest of our offense seems content to stand still. Chandler sees that and, well, someone has to step up and do something so he has. I’d love to see Gallo take that tone. That confidence is how he will get his shot back.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 14, 2010 5:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
exactly what I'm talking about
and to be honest, I would rather us have a more defensive mindset as a team and would love it if Gallo ate a can of spinach or two and gained some muscle in order to be a tougher, more physical defender.
I say this only to say I can see why people would like to sit him in favor of Chandler but as good as Chandler is defensively, I don’t see his defense being a huge enough factor to turn around this bad start. That defense is a welcome addition but it doesn’t do enough to make up for all of our other deficiencies.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 14, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
And this is my only knock on Gallo. Dude! Bulk Up!
And Chandler has some nice blocks and other bouts of defensive excellence, but also fronts shooters with arms low one too many times. I think Gallo is also defensively deficient in areas but not as bad as he is being labeled. I also believe he needs to get his emotions into check, but I wouldn’t call him soft. Soft is the Mr. Dziedz “logic” poisoning so many posts. The kid’s too young to be a bust and raised on Euro ball. He is also not being properly brought into the flow of the game, especially in 2nd halves when guys aree “showcasing”. Dziedz gets it right when he talks about team basketball, but until we play as a team, it is quite wrong to evaluate a player’s value to the starting lineup. Gallo’s skillset is paramount to the starting lineup. His ability to get to the line is an asset other fellas would do well to pick up. I value Wil and Gallo, and not one over the other.
See should Gallo bulk up... or should he get quicker???
I think he has enough meat on him, but he could benfit from getting quicker.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
is both an option?
if so I choose both
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he can get quicker....
he can definately bulk up tho
Bulk Up/Quicker?
Here is the answer. To get quicker, play him in the second unit against lesser players. He will look quicker. To get Bulked Up, send him back to the Euro League so he can look like the hulk when he plays Euro ball. The guy is soft from the inside. You cannot change players like this based on what drama they say when ask about their game. Its like getting E.Curry focused to play at his ability. Once you realize you made a mistake about their will within you can never get this turned around. Both Curry and Gallinari are the same from wiithin. The politics of the Knicks won’t admit both were mistakes. Just keep on watching the years that went by and the time both Curry, Gallinari and D’Antoni have been here. All three are a mistake.
The guy is soft from the inside.
I suppose ur model comes with xray vision? terrific for scoping the ladies!
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
You are flat out wrong on Gallo but with this one point I agree.
In reading Gallo’s assessment of his own game, I would have expected a little more bravado. Not the soppy “I’m not a superstar” stuff he was pouting out. Now, on the other hand, guys aren’t letting ANYONE get into the flow of the game in second halves for whatever reason. But in particular yesterdays game, I saw Gallo playing feisty defense into the 4th quarter and instead of chucking 3’s he’s been getting to the rim or drawing fouls. While 6 of 9 is not what we want to see from him at the line, he’s obviously trying to change up what he’s doing and get involved. He does carry his heart on his sleeve which isn’t always a good thing, he was raised on Euro basketball, which isn’t a boon, but soft he is not. He does need to bulk up and he ain’t getting much faster. But Carmelo Anthony he is not and doesn’t need to be. He’s Gallo, and he’s a great shooter in the flow of an offensive game plan, great at drawing fouls, and an ASSET to this team.
I read that article
and really I think the whole thing was out of context, reading it I thought the point Gallo was trying to make was that he wanted to take things one game at a time and that he was more interested in winning games than individual recognition.
I think the ESPN drone wanted to cook up sumthin that had a juicier headline
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
In all fairness to Dziedz cuz I like yanking his chain, I see Gallo, like you said for Chandler, as a role player. They’re too young and haven’t had an efficient flowing offense for a consistent enuff time for them to be anyhting but. That said, they’re both important players in their roles. Just as much as Landry Fields is just as important for what he brings to the table. But until we iron out our game plans, rhythm and flow of the offense and defense, and players hold themselves and eachother accountable for playing team basketball and spreading the floor and helping eachother be effective within their skillsets, we’ll be a mediocre team that drives us nuts. If we at least ran anything resembling a play, it’d make some of this losing palatable. We’re not seeing it.
Back to the point I missed that (what you’re saying) but nonetheless, would agree as I said above, his play isn’t showing that and he seems to be improving each game, finding ways to contribute, and is trying to find his place. Right now, though, iut doesn’t look like anyone knows their place.
Doesn't happen very often..
But I agree with the Fist. I like your logic Mr. Spock!
Preesh. All opinions aside, i think we would all love a chance to see what Pringles is saying to the Knicks
Cus if the fans are panicking (in some ways), then I’m sure management is too. Where is Met2K? lol. I want that insider info again!!!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
right now, he's brad lohaus..
he’s a tall guy who can shoot when wide open. i don’t understand what all the hype is about him. he may have a lot of “potential”, but what’s it based on? honestly, as a huge knicks fan, over the past 3 years, i’ve seen maybe a “few” noticable performances.
he’s not quick enough to play 3, he’s too scrawny and doesn’t rebound enough to play 4, which only means the other 4 around him have to make up for his deficiencies… at least if he’s coming off the bench, we can pick and choose who he goes up against and what his role is… ‘cause right now, he’s a role player at best
okay
but I keep hearing bring him off the bench for Chandler, and indeed if he were to go to the bench the only person I would, or you could possibly bring in to start is Chandler.
Now nothing against Chandler because he is a fine player but he has his own set of deficiencies also.
More to the point, I think even worse than these deficiencies are the fact that both of these very talented players abilities are not fully utilized.
For instance, the previously mentioned lack of screens for Gallinari or the fact that even though Wilson can guard 4’s in the post he is not even given the opportunity to hit the post and use his size on offense to post up 3’s, I think he’d be very effective at that especially with the way Felton pushes. Wil could get established before the D has time to properly get set.
IDK, in recent years our D has been terrible but our offense has been able to move and this year our defense isn’t great but it looks improved. It looks as if we’re losing games because our offense loses it’s cohesion for long stretches.
Comparing Gallo and Wil I have to say Gallo is the better offensive player, everyone won’t agree but I see significant problems having STAT on the floor for elongated periods without even having the threat of Gallinari stretching the floor.
again, once Azubuike gets back his game should help space the floor if he’s healthy, but until then I’d say it’s risky business
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
gallo is not a better offensive player than Will.....
a better shooter? Yes….but not all around offensive player….
just a matter of opinion
I think he’s a better shooter, handler and passer to be honest, maybe not as strong a finisher and penetration but he’s good enough to edge him out considering the other factors.
I’m almost certain Wil is a better back to the basket scorer but like I said it’s not really utilized in this offense, perhaps that’s why Dantoni has him starting over Chandler which would make sense.
Plus shooting is a rather major part of offense, it wouldn’t surprise me if shooting trumped alot of other offensive skills in coaches eyes
If the offense were different I’d see a stronger case for Wil starting in place of Gallinari.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
well I guess that's the difference right there
in dantoni’s eyes gallo is a better offensive player than Will….so it doesn’t matter as long as he’s coach. but this is also the same guy that said gallo was “the best shooter he’s ever seen” and that J Hill was “the next Amare”….
I can agree with that
I think the perception of all these players are being influenced by Dantoni’s veiws and his style.
In fact for all we know Gallinari may indeed be the best shooter he’s seen and Chandler may be a beast in the post but if plays aren’t occasionally drawn to get Gallo open looks or get Chandler with a 3 on him in the post we’ll never know.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Uhm.... isn't Billy Walker a pretty good shooter?
I’m not saying Gallo should sit, but if he did, shouldn’t Bully in the conversation as a starter? He a terrific shooter, he’s taking it to the hole more, and he’s not a lot worse than Gallo on defense.
Really puzzles me what Bully did to stop earning burn. We desperately need shooters, he’s one of our best, yet he doesn’t play.
Why not have:
Newly signed PG X come in for Ray
DWTDD comes in for Landry
Bully comes in for Gallo (or Gallo for Bully, if we want more scoring punch off the bench
Wilson comes in for Amar’e
AR comes in for Mozzie until Turiaf is back
As up and down as Gallinari is
Bully (despite being a fav) hasn’t shown he can be consistent enough to take anyone’s starting spot IMO, I mean if Gallinari was really that bad, but is he?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I did like how Gallo backed off on the 3s last night and was more aggressive to the basket.
It’s a bit of a start, but he still disappeared too many times and he should be more demanding of the ball. Maybe his youth is really showing??
I dunno. I think D’Antoni needs to yell at someone other than Randolph. Give Felton and Amare a lashing since they are the leaders. They can handle it. Ray- fucking pass the ball and run an offense. Amare- fucking pass the ball and stop challenging 3 guys to the rim. Gallo- fucking call for the ball and stop goddamn hiding!! Don’t be a bitch" Wilson- “you’re playing great on both ends. But enough with the end of game 3s for cryin out loud! Stop getting fucking cocky!” Eddy- “wipe that mustard off your fucking uniform you sloppy bastard!!”
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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 15, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions
I got worked up and used quotations all incorrectly and shit. Whoops.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 15, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Eddy- "wipe that mustard off your fucking uniform you sloppy bastard!!"
laughed so hard i cried on that one
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Im silently rooting for one of those sideline fights between players or coach/players
you know, when a star flips out on his teammates or something, or a star gets in a yelling match with the coach?
It’s great in baseball cus a manager will jump out of the dugout and start kickin shit around just to get thrown out of the game and it sort of lights a fire in his team.
Deron Williams exploded on their rookie Gordon Hayward in like the 2nd or 3rd game and Hayward was so surprised and shocked that he was near tears. In some way I wish Amare played the part of Deron and Gallo was Hayward or even Felton as Hayward.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 16, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
yea I would love to see
Amare get on gallo to be more agressive / consistent…..
I don’t think a dantoni / player fight would be the best thing right now….the NY media would jump all over that like " dantoni has lost the team"…..that would be a major distraction right now….
I wouldn't disagree with that.
the player on player thing tho…. popcorn!!!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

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