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Nuggets 120, Knicks 118: "Landry Fields should run all the plays, and take all the shots... and be the coach."

For some reason, the photo package for this game is full of pictures depicting "a detail image of the ball", so...uh....here's one of those. (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

I don't really need to tell you what went wrong in this one. If you watched any of the five games preceding tonight's loss to the Nuggets, you already know what it is. The Knicks defended and rebounded well enough, but bricked open jumpers, failed to run the pick-and-roll effectively, and couldn't put the finishing touches on a comeback effort. Would anybody object to my glossing over the familiar foibles and heading straight for the interesting stuff?

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No objections? Sweet. Take the jump.

Star-divide

- On June 24, 2010, a flushed, overexcited Seth Rosenthal sat in the WaMu theater quaking and tugging at his hair because the Knicks had just drafted some random-ass swingman from Stanford whose name sounded like that of an organic dairy farm. Right now, I'd like to travel back in time and slap that silly fool across his face. Landry Fields is the truth. Landry Fields is the answer. Landry Fields is the walrus. Fields had one of those games that made you wish it was him, not Carmelo Anthony, in that goofy Nike commercial. Like hirsute commenter "Longbeard" said in the game thread, it felt like Landry could have and should have done everything on the floor. Fields went 10-15 from the field(s) for 21 points, grabbed 17 rebounds, and was a team-leading +13 on the evening. Landry got some of his points off of broken plays and tip-ins (one of which was positively majestic), but also scored in transition and even off of curls in the halfcourt set. The rebounds were gravy. After ripping down 9 in the first period, Fields was clearly gunning for numbers, and I mean that in a good way. While the common folks boxed each other out, Landry glided around in another stratum, snatching caroms all the while. If I have time, I'd like to make a study of Landry's rebounding (particularly on the offensive glass) later this week. Fields also did his darnedest to stick Carmelo Anthony*. He had a bit of trouble when the meatier Melo decided to post up, but mostly established good enough position and held his ground smartly enough to make sure that none of Anthony's jumpers went unmolested. Granted, Carmelo Anthony could care less whether you contest his jumpers or not, but his 8-21 line reflects some decent defense, and that's not even accounting for some "superstar-being-guarded-by-a-rookie-whose-name-sounds-like-that-of-a-band-camp" calls that went in Melo's favor. In closing, Landry Fields is the messiah, any and all rookie mistakes are forgiven, and I should be tarred and feathered for ever doubting that draft pick.

- *(Caveat: Danilo Gallinari started the game guarding Anthony and may have taken some possessions against him later in the game, but I'm pretty sure it was mostly Fields. My TV screen is like 7.5 inches across, so the Fields-Gallinari Effect is especially troublesome.)

- Here's a fun zing to accompany the previous bullet point: The only way to tell Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields apart is that Gallo never hits shots. ZING. Really, though, Danilo continued to fail at the one facet of his game that's supposed to be a given. Gallinari shot a petrifying 2-10 from downtown, and he didn't even look out of rhythm. Gallo's just in a big, fat slump, and has been forced to make an impact in other areas. And you know what? 10 rebounds, 7-8 free throw shooting, and 3 assists is a perfectly acceptable plan B. As Mike Breen noted early and often, Gallo looked more alert and involved in this one, which is encouraging. That said:

Dear Danilo Gallinari's Jumper,

Get Well Soon!

Love,

Posting and Toasting

- Ronny Turiaf returned to action late in the first quarter and had a very eventful 13 minutes. Ronny was immediately welcomed back to action by getting posterized by Shelden Williams, which is like...well, shit, it's like getting posterized by Shelden Williams. Getting crammed on by that dapper gentleman is its own goddamn simile. Anyway, after that, Ronny played 13 minutes in which he used all six fouls, did not score, blocked two shots, dislocated his pinky, had his pinky relocated, and got dunked on again by Nene. Welcome back, Ronny.

- This Allstate "Mayhem" marketing campaign in which the grizzly convict-looking bro demolishes cars needs to kindly disappear.

- Clyde mentioned at one point that Al Harrington once played for "Indianurr", which would be funny and exciting if Mike Breen hadn't accidentally said "Kenyon Merkin" later on.

- In the first half, the Nuggets shot a lot of free throws and got out to a lead. In the second half, the Knicks shot a lot of free throws and erased said lead. JUST SAYING.

- More fun from the announcing booth:

Clyde (after a circus shot by Carmelo Anthony): That's why they call him "Melo Fellow"!

Breen: They call him "Melo Fellow"?

1. Breen has a good point. No sentient being has ever called Carmelo Anthony "Melo Fellow", which means that the "they" to which Clyde is referring is, in fact, the team of verbose, snazzily-dressed Muppets that lives inside his brain and controls his thoughts. That's right, kids. Walt Frazier is run by The Electric Mayhem.

2. Even if people did call Carmelo Anthony "Melo Fellow", why on earth would an acrobatic 360 layup be a reason for such a nickname? THAT'S why "they" call him "Melo Fellow"? Baffling. You make every day of my life more excellent, Walt Frazier.

- For some reason, Timofey Mozgov's expressions after foul calls make me feel like he invented Facebook.

- Also, I love Timofey and see a lot of promise in his game, but Ronny Turiaf should be starting in his place as soon as possible. Mozgov should still spin, but with the second unit.

- Yeah, I see you, Al Harrington.

- The final 0.2 seconds of the first half included Chauncey Billups draining a 70-footer only to have it waived off because he traveled, Danilo Gallinari throwing the ensuing inbound pass at the rim and thereby invoking some sort of violation, Carmelo Anthony stealing the ensuing jump ball and thereby invoking some sort of violation, and me eating several dozen Sour Patch Kids (and probably invoking some sort of violation). All this in two tenths of a second!

- Toney Douglas hasn't done what Toney Douglas do for quite a while now, and it's pretty ugly, because what Toney Douglas do when Toney Douglas isn't doing what Toney Douglas do is suck. Toney's usual troubles (poor decision-making in transition, inability to run the pick-and-roll), combined with some new, unfamiliar errors (bricking jumpers, not forcing turnovers) make for a pretty stinky outing. Therefore:

Dear Toney Douglas's propensity to do what Toney Douglas do,

Get well soon.

Love,

Posting and Toasting

- After 6 dreadful minutes from Roger Mason Jr. and 10 fairly productive minutes (6 points) from Bill Walker, I think you, me, and Mike D'Antoni should be on the same page: All of Roger Mason's minutes should be given to Bill Walker. All of Roger Mason's worldly possessions should be given to Bill Walker. All of Roger Mason's meals should be given to Bill Walker. Roger Mason himself should be consumed by Bill Walker so that Bill Walker can have nourishment so that he can hit more three-point shots.

- Wilson Chandler blocked 5 shots. A number of those blocks came during crunch time, and a separate (although possibly equivalent) number of those blocks were pretty spectacular. Good job, Wilson Chandler!

- Anthony Randolph's only meaningful impact on this game was a pretty egregious goaltending violation. This saddened me, and appeared to sadden Anthony, as evidenced by the fact that his expression went from the typical "sad" to a marked "very sad" immediately following the infraction.

- Crunch-time, in no particular order: Carmelo Anthony fouled somebody on a jump-ball, then got a technical for throwing his headband. Amar'e Stoudemire hit a three. Landry Fields threw a terrible in-bounds pass that should have actually been called an out-bounds pass. Raymond Felton hit a three. The Nuggets missed some free throws, but we all wished they missed more of them. In the end, the Nuggets had two more points than the Knicks did. Fin.

I think that'll be it for now. This really didn't have to be a loss. Missing open shots is a shame, but it needn't spell doom when this team has shown it can generate offense by pushing the pace and attacking the rim. Perhaps they'll start doing that tomorrow night in Sacramento? We'll see. Goodnight.

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awesome recap

You’ve got a gift, man. These recaps are WAY better than any other serious sports journalism out there.

by Kaanon on Nov 17, 2010 4:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

agree

you are my favorite writer/tweeter covering basketball at the moment…and I think it’s funny when the Knicks suck…

by jdpapa3 on Nov 17, 2010 4:15 AM EST reply actions  

I enjoyed the recap...

…more than I enjoyed the game.

No offense, but I’d rather that be reversed sometime before late February.

If I can offer a suggestion, a state-of-D’Antonio thread would be nice to see the next time we have a day off. I trust your opinion on thse matters, but my own as-of-now uneducated opinion (with some help from grumbling in the mainstream media is that he can do better, and/or we can do better.

by NYCNative on Nov 17, 2010 6:26 AM EST reply actions  

I dig what you are saying

but this IS the frikken’ mainstream media, son. The post is welfare for retards like Berman.

Anyway, it’s a do-ocracy, go make a state of D’antonio fanpost!

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The electric mayhem part made me laugh way to hard for 6:30 in the morning

dammit Seth.

This team is gonna take 3pters..that’s just a given. But they shot 29% from 3. Pringles is right…you gotta make shots.

I don’t watch Phoenix a ton, but when I do…I know damn well when I do that when they win games they’re hitting jump shots.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

and yes

Landry Fields.

Dude was obviously made more of a focal point, I think they ran a few plays for him. I;d like that to continue.

I can kinda of see how he fell in the draft…tho really just the fact he’s 22 and a senior is really all I can see. But what’s funny is all those “experts” that just flat out had no clue who he was.

I mean…this kid is an elite athlete, speed, hustles and can do basically everything on the court.

The only thing right now it seems he has against him is that he’s a rookie. More then a few occasions I saw some horseshit calls that I bet if he was a 3rd year pro that they go his way. Kind of sad that this is even there..is this in the rulebook?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

hes the only one

with a clue out there

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

i totally agree

i kind of wish we could have a starting front 5 of landry fields, of course at the apporpriate height levels :)

by jhMLB on Nov 17, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

...couple things worth mentioning....

1. Raymond Felton just missed a triple double by 2 bounds. I know about Landry Fields but where’s the love for Raymond Felton? And why do I have to type Raymond Felton everytime I want to say Raymond Felton? Where’s the nickname for Raymond Felton? Can we call him sugar Ray or something. And that piece by Araton in the NYTimes pissed me off too. We gotta have CP3 or Deron Williams if we’re going to have any chance of winning? Sugar Ray Felton is a pretty damn good PG getting better. What we need is not ‘melo either. It’s a COACH! Get that creepy San Antonio guy over here, you know, the one who wins championships?!

2. Wilson Chandler’s stats are absurd and his mouth is extremely germy. Wilson Chandler
has 28 blocks and 18 assists! He has as many blocks as Dwight Howard but he passes the ball about as much as Zach Randolph! David Lee had to have 2 operations to remove the infection from his elbow from Chandler’s germy tooth. 2!

by PringlesMustGo! on Nov 17, 2010 6:37 AM EST reply actions  

everybody hates Raymond

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Who hates Raymond Felton?

I love Ray Ray and personally want him in a Knicks uni for the year, unless somehow a trade for CP3 or D-Will opens up.

Only thing I hate about Felt is his inability to create for others

by WSD on Nov 17, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

the tv sho fool!!

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

like it says above

EVERYBODY, that’s who.

thanks for killing the joke though :)

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We do need a Raymond Felton nickname thread.

Felts?

Beefeater?

Felty?

Feltsy?

Feltsy Welsty?

P.R. Nonash?

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Felton John?

If only we could say goodbye to the Yellow Brick Road accompanying our jumpers lately.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the name..

But, I couldn’t wait for some idiot to try to blame Chandler for Lee’s elbow infection. He should have sat the rest of the game because he was bleeding and they couldn’t stop it. Ray Ray got to get some wins before he can earn a “Sugar” title.

by gaga71 on Nov 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

where is the sidebar?

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 17, 2010 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Holy shit.

Is it fixed? I think I just fixed it by myself. Hooooly shit.

by Seth on Nov 17, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it is!!

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I fixed it

"Dedication To The Don" Most Popular Post Of All Time On P&T. I Am Honored

by MikeTheIntern on Nov 17, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I know this woman

She worked on a tv show I wrote for Nickelodean in the eighties when she was just an old lady. She couldn’t remember her lines and everything had to be rewritten to accommodate her ineptitude. Coincidence?

The Landryman can

by YuckFou on Nov 17, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

a little mood music

when you get the ball high and you realize you can’t drive that’s……..Amar’eeeeeee (accordian)

when you don’t move without the ball, and you long for Chris Paul that’s…….Amar’eeeeeee (accordian)

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

funny

between this recap and your song I am now laughing out loud. Thank you.

by Turbofire on Nov 17, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe a little too hard on Amar'e

could have thrown in a Gallinari verse, and not just because of the Italian connection. The fact that I pulled that one out this early is good enough.

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Good article (to me) from SI from before last night's game

LINK

What strikes me is what happened after the 1st quarter and in particular the 2nd half. The writer’s points on getting Melo and moving the offense in from the 3 point line actually works with what we have now. All blessings to Dziedz, if Gallo is gonna be in the starting lineup, doing what he did in the 2nd quarter on looked a whole lot better than what he did in the first. And the offense was helped because of it. Suddenly he’s grabbing boards and dishing assists. He’s getting the to the line. I like the way he and Fields play together, and nobody but Ray is hitting 3’s well, although Amar’e keeps surprising us once a game.

The 3’s aren’t falling but we’re looking awesome inside the arc when we pull off the perimeter. The only thing more alarming was how bad Melo looked at the end of the game. He sure wanted to “hand this one over.”

by screamedia on Nov 17, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

Very Good Post Mister Seth!!!

Funny even sarcastic, smart and straight to the point.
The best articles about the Knicks out there.

My favorite is your comments about Roger Mason… and Bill Walker.
I actually posted a comment 2 days ago where I said I would take Mason on a one-on-one with a beer in my right hand and still beat the hell out of this guy.

He should be with the Cheerleaders and be known as the most well paid in the history of cheerleading!!!!!

by Nico9111 on Nov 17, 2010 8:54 AM EST reply actions  

Nice comments

Fields was a beast last night…..I hated HATED phil’s and dantoni’s comments both at halftime and after the game that basically said we will continue to shoot 3’s and hopefully we start making them….REALLY? I mean ok I understand don’t abandon the three….but you have to tell the team to be selective with your shots, drive to the hoop more….it was kinda telling that this coaching staff are just going to be stubborn to the fact that this is the way we play and if the 3 goes in we MAY win….if not, we just keep shooting….if plan A isn’t working you gotta go to plan B…it seems that dantoni does not have a plan B….I’m really hating this right now…..

by Jason Bee on Nov 17, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

I completely agree...

I feel like I’ve been beating this drum for a while. Fraizer even said during the Knicks’ 1st half shooting slump that there had to be a plan B. Of course, there is no reason to think D’Antoni is interested in anything resembling a plan B. I hope the players take it upon themselves to continue to do the things that work—drive to the hoop, ball movement, better shots—and cut back on the things that don’t…all in spite of D’Antoni’s preachings.

No reason to wait to fire D’Antoni. He’s not going to change his ways. He said it himself.

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Nov 17, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I do think you're on to something there

The players do have to take it upon themselves, and I do think D’antoni is a coach that actually encourages that.

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I almost jumped through the TV when he said that!

I mean come on, no concession to the fact that shooting 3s isn’t working??? Even just for one game?

I’ve really had enough with this guy. Granted he has his style of play, and it’s obviously worked in the past, but I don’t even find that style all that interesting. It’s brutal to watch when the shots aren’t falling and there is no plan B, and it feels like fool’s gold when they actually do drop.

This team is getting borderline unwatchable at this point, and if things don’t gel quickly (don’t telling me last night was a sign of anything coming together, they gave up another 120 points), I’m all for Walsh pulling the plug on this guy in the very near future. The only thing that might make me pause is if Melo or Paul gave any indication that they liked the guy, but Melo’s recent comments seem to indicate that he has no desire to play for a team/coach that can’t defend.

by the mecca on Nov 17, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

...missed the game

but he cant possible be serious. I cant think of one reason why he would say that. Its not just a few games..the 3 pt shot has been o.c for a long time now.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its just a stubborn love of his philosophy

and hey, more power to him, it’s worked before in Phoenix.

At halftime Phil was almost smug in the way he said it, like “hey if these guys would just make some 3s we will be ok”….like that’s the answer to everything, like it’s that easy. Would have been refreshing to hear “maybe we will try to actually guard someone in the 2nd half” or “we obviously can’t shoot to save our lives, so maybe we will try to drive the ball and initiate some contact”. Nope.

by the mecca on Nov 17, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

"hey if these guys would just make some 3s we will be ok"….like that’s the answer to everything, like it’s that easy.

I hate the strategy as well but even though he was kinda being smug about it (i missed the interview so i’ll take ur word) he is sorta right in the fact that when those threes do fall we have a pretty easy time winning games.

The trouble is Pringles and Co. refuse to look into a decent contingency. If we’re not hitting then it’s time to pack up and go home, and he seems content and resigned to that fact instead of actually coming up with a more thorough well thought out plan that covers all the bases.

I’m not saying he’s telling them to go out and jack up quick threes because I think there is more to his offense than that but it doesn’t look like he’s stopping them from jacking them up.

I’m all for his offensive freedom movement but these guys have shown in crunch time they are not making the best decisions out there…would it kill Pringles to call a time out and draw up a play or practice late game strategy?

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Nov 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree if we make more 3s we win

but there are a bunch of other things that if we do we win the game as well. The solution isn’t simply “make more 3s guys, come on!” How about making some free throws? How about making better decisons down the stretch? How about getting some stops when need be? If any of those were done a win would have been in the bag.

 And I know it’s not in any coach’s mentality to point the finger towards themselves, but how about "I need to come up with 2 better plays in cunch time than an “Amare head down forced shot” and a rookie inbounding the ball on a play that looked like it had zero chance of being successful for the get?

Maybe I’m being tough on the guy, I just expected more for the salary the guy commands and the hype he brings. We give the guy a pass for the last 2 seasons, and thats fine, but the team gave us nothing for 2 years. Other than David Lee’s “All star selection”, we’ve gotten nothing out of a guy that who was supposed to be a weapon on the sidelines. No team identity, no young player development, no elevated baskebtall IQ. Just a deep doghouse for guys he doesn’t like and a “hey we need to make more shots” attitude. It’s like he is annoyed he has to be out there. Hell we could have had Herb run the team the team the last 2 yrs and the results would have been the same!

Sorry I’ll get off my soapbox now. And I’m never one to blame the coach, I usually blame the players in all of the sports I root for!

Let’s hope we get something started tonight! Man I’m so sick of this team sucking.

by the mecca on Nov 17, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but

The fact is that if we can’t hit 3s, we’re going to suck this season. We have to figure out a way for everybody to at least be at their career averages in that department.

Maybe for a game or a half we could drop that approach, but it’s going to have to happen.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Dantoni is a stubborn man

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Nov 17, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to disagree with everyone here...

The 3 is not the key to this offense.

In fact, the 3 is actually THE contingency. The REAL bread-and-butter of a D’Antoni offense is the pick and roll, and we all know how that’s going.

Now, I hate when they start chucking up 3s with no limit as much as all of you, but when Felton and Amar’e continue to fail on the pick and roll, the 3 is supposed to be the bailout. Gallo simply just needs to knock those down. He’s had plenty of good looks. He’s just not hitting them.

D’Antoni historically has never really had to go to a Plan C, which for the Knicks is to simply take it to the rack. The team is athletic enough to get to the rim on every possession and it’s obvious the team has more success during the stretches of the game when they get to the free throw line. It’s no secret and I’m sure the D’Antoni knows it. We’ll just have to see if he adjusts.

by Starkz on Nov 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

They should continue to shoot threes but

They have to come off some sort of actually basketball play. It is like they go through these periods were everybody decides that as soon as they catch it they are gonna launch one. When they actually run a play and the three comes in the frame work of an offensive set they actually hit a few.

by Robert Currence on Nov 17, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Could anyone honestly watch this whole game and think

“Boy, trading a bunch of people for Carmelo Anthony sure would solve all our problems real quick!”

by flossy on Nov 17, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Nope

But his advance stats for the rest of the season, including defense and rebounding, have been off the charts great.

That said, I’d rather have a dream of Chris Paul then the reality of Carmelo.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Why is everyone so quick to think CP3 over Ray Ray, everything else constant, is gonna solve all things? Felton is better than half the PGs in the league and only getting more comfortable. What we need is Melo, a beast @ the C and depth on our bench. LEAVE RAY RAY ALONE!! (hahah)

by WayneBo on Nov 17, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

A pg that creates mismatches

and does great in the PnR will have a larger effect in our system vs a scoring Forward

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree, in part

Felton is better than half the PGs in the league, but Chris Paul is a hall of famer in his prime. Look what he’s doing with equal or lesser talent in New Orleans.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This

I like Felton, he’s a lunch pail type and a breath of fresh air after Duhon, but… Chris Paul >>>>>>>>>> Raymond Felton. And it’s not even close.

by flossy on Nov 17, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take a good center over chris paul anyday. Its not like star point guards have been leading teams to championships lately…big men have

by EstiloZz on Nov 19, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

nyet

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

and i like the fact that

gallo had 10 boards…but 6-19?? 2-10 from downtown?? did you see that fast break (I think it was 3 on 1 OR 3 on 2) and he pulled for that deep 2 and clanked it??? What kind of fast break was that ?? and that point balnk shot at the end of the game he missed?? what is wrong with this dude? I don’t think he’s that good…but he’s not this bad either

by Jason Bee on Nov 17, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

Really really

Doesn’t want to move to Denver?

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

There were a few moments in the early parts of the game where I thought this was Gallo’s passive aggressive way of avoiding being traded to Denver.

by 100% dundee on Nov 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

A reverse audition, if you will

by flossy on Nov 17, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What was worse than that shot was

the fact that he did not immediately take a seat next to D’Antoni after that one. Even Don Nelson off his Alheimers meds I think pulls Gallo for that.

by Robert Currence on Nov 17, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

keep up the good work Seth

though I think we should all chip in and get you a TV a little larger than 7 inches. Just becuase you are in college doesn’t mean you need to settle for a Daewoo TV/DVD combo.

I’ve been waiting for someone to reiterate my feelings that Turiaf should have been starting all season. Heres a guy that started for the Lakers when Gasol went down and helped them get to the finals. They lost, hes older now, and Phil Jackson actually ran plays…but still…what do we have to lose?

Even though I trust Donnie, Fields is honestly the only attractive trade chip we have right now. I would be kind of bummed if we pulled a Layden-like move out of desperation.

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

yea

I think u have to start Turiaf. Mozgov is really struggling right now with NBA style basketball…you need Turiaf’s energy and defense on the floor immediately…

by Jason Bee on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Pringles is Wrong....

It’s not simply a matter of making shots. In the first half, Knicks went cold after chucking up 3 after 3. Go re-read the comments in game thread if you don’t remember. It was ridiculous. On more than one occassion Mike Breen even commented how the Knicks need more ball movement and penetration instead of quick 3’s. Kelly Tripucka said pretty much the same thing after the game. Juxtapose that with the conclusion D’Antoni drew in his post-game interview: “We just missed shots.”

In the second half, the Knicks started to drive to the basket where they either drew the foul or kicked it outside. The offense had a flow; the shooters shot in rhythm. ONLY THEN did the shots start to fall.

When I heard D’Antoni say it was just “not making shots,” and literally laugh off the suggestion that the problem was shot selection, I was stunned.

Is my reading of the game off-base?

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

nope...bases loaded

when the all star break comes and the Knicks lead the world in three point attempts, with no participants in the three point shootout….maybe then he’ll stop laughing…if he even has a job.

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You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually this happened last year too in the beginning of the year

The Knicks were forcing up threes early in the shot clock and it contributed a lot to their 1-9 start. You’re right – shots have to be taken in rhythm or they’re not going to fall. You can tell that from watching the game and you can tell that from playing the game. Last year’s Knicks only started winning some games when they slowed it down and started to use some shot clock – i.e., when they played to their strengths and got into a flow.

It’s true that if the Knicks were shooting even a decent 3 point percentage they’d have more wins… but it’s not that simple. To D’antoni’s credit, he is able to make adjustments but it would be nice to have them made a little quicker.

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand, you asically just said the problem was

shot selection and then said it wasn’t. The knicks are extremely undisciplined right now on offense, a side effect of their collective youth I think. And therefore they chuck up alot of bad shots. But then they have these stretches were they actually play like they have a clue and you say boy, if they didn’t just put up 65 bricks in the first half they might be winning this by 10 or 12. But yest they take a ton of bad shots. But there is hope we play sacramento tonight, and they take even more bad shots a night than we do.

by Robert Currence on Nov 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome recap

For a completely crap game.
bq. if Mike Breen hadn’t accidentally said “Kenyon Merkin” later on.
A lot of people don’t know that Kenyon’s family name was originally “Pube wig”, but they changed it/Amercanized-it later.

by RobDiablo44 on Nov 17, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Personality wise,

Once a Pube-wig, always a Pube-wig.

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I appreciated gallo trying to block that dunk in the final minutes

But I cried a little when nene threw it down on his head

@therealzlander

by zlander on Nov 17, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Really liked how the team responded today....

we all said fields needed more mins and we were all very correct.

by frank8 on Nov 17, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Love the recap, Seth

Couple of questions:

(1) Could we all go back in time to the draft and slap you? It would be like that scene in Airplane! where they all line up to slap that old lady.

(2) Landry is the Truth and the Answer? Is he also the Mailman, the Human Highlight Film, the Human Eraser, the Round Mound of Rebound, and Dinner Bell Mel? The kid needs his own nickname. I’m partial to The Killing Fields or I’m Not Gallo.

(3) Judging by the ill effects that accompany being bitten by Wilson, can we call him True Blood? I think it couldn’t hurt his game any.

(4) Shouldn’t we retire the term Posterization? I’m old, I’ll freely admit, but do kids still put dunking posters on their walls? I do know that my wife won’t let me do that.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

1. Yes
2. Is “The Killing Fields” in poor taste? If not, I’m in favor.
3. No thanks.
4. I still have “SLAM-ups” in my bedroom from when I was 10, so posterization is alive and well!

by Seth on Nov 17, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the cambodian nickelodeon!

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by stingy d on Nov 17, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I always liked "Dirty Landry"

no?

maybe “Way Better than Marcus Landry Fields”

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You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

How about we name him

phatbooty

no homo

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

How about we name him

phatbooty

no homo

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, then how about

“Agua” for Mr. Fields? That’s what The Great Tracy Morgan called him for no apparent reason when he was sitting courtside at MSG.

I would think that randomness and brevity would make for sufficient justifications for a P&T nickname.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

How about..

Dream Fields for a knickerbockername?

by WayneBo on Nov 17, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Gallo

When will people take the blinkers off.
Gallo is absolute garbage! He keeps chucking up three’s for an abysmal %.
His defence is dreadful, then gives that stupid “What? Me??” bong-eyed look everytime.
Show me ANY other team that he would start on, let alone get major minutes.
There is no one other than Fields who has realy impressed and exceeded expectations this season, but for me Gallo is the worst. I lost count of how many times he just idled up the court to throw up a jumpshot that clanked off the rim….even from wide open looks.
Meanwhile the management still seem to believe that he is going to be a star – HE IS NOT!
Aaaargggh! Im getting so frustrated just writing this.
TRADE HIM, TRADE HIM NOW….FOR ANYTHING!!!

by D'Antoni's 'Tash on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

nah

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

not absolute garbage....lol

but definately not going to be a star , average at best, role player

by Jason Bee on Nov 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice of you to notice he went for 20+ and 10 boards

Despite being ice cold from long range. What a chump, that guy!

by flossy on Nov 17, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

@Flossy

Trying again to justify Gallinari scoring and rebounding.
Try watching his sad ass defense on the other player.
When you give up more points then you score. You Loose!
Gallinari is a flaw along with the coaches system a flaw.
If a team scores one more point then our team you loose.
Just check are record over the years.

by Dziedzic on Nov 17, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know why nobody has told you straight up yet,

but “lose” is only spelled with one “o”. Your argument is now void.

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by Ray Smuckles on Nov 17, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Um,

I think you meant take the ‘blinders’ off. I’ve taken the blinkers off and Gallo still seems to have some skills.

by fuhry on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna say

are you driving behind an old guy in a Buick? Typo? nope, K and D are worlds apart on the keyboard.

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

so let me see if I understand your position

ur a huge Gallinari fan who thinks Gallo should go to the hall of fame based off his short career…I’d say it’s waaay to early to say any of that, the kid is just that…a kid, who only has one full season under his belt.

I know u love the guy and all but give him time to see what he can do before you elect him to the hall of fame.

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Nov 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

oh wait you said trade Gallo rite?

same response

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i see what you did there

nice

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 17, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

@D'Antoni's 'Tash

I have been saying ti for two years and everybody thought I was just Dizzy. It is great to see someone besides myself is looking at th egames with their own eyes. Did you here this clown say how he likes guarding the best player on the other team. I laugh when I hear this BS because the Rooster is BS on the court. Has that sissy Euro attitude that its all and everybodys fault but his. What A joke.

by Dziedzic on Nov 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i can only assume

that you have stooped so low as to have two profiles, and will carry on irrational conversations where you agree with yourself in order to create the illusion that your ideas have public support.

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Nov 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats Funny

However, you are wrong.
I am straight up only on Dziedzic or Dizzy as you may prefer.
The true of the matter is someone else watches the games with their eyes also.

by Dziedzic on Nov 17, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually

watch games with my cuticles. I get a manicure before every Knicks game to make sure they’re fresh.

by Starkz on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Boy

You sound like your getting ready to play or watch Tennis.

by Dziedzic on Nov 17, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Gallo actually plays decent D….I’ve seem him go toe to toe with some of the great SF’s in this league…some people are just blind sometimes. Its like they see Gallo get burned one time and then say oh he sucks at D but then they see him make a good play on D and they never give him credit….

by EstiloZz on Nov 19, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i have an ill feeling that with fields having the game he did...

he is on the nuggets radar now. I kinda wanted him to lay low last night for that reason

by frank8 on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

which raises the question...

would you trade Fields for Melo straight up?

Part of me thinks the answer is a resounding yes, but the part of me that saw Fields last night hesistates to answer.

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Nov 17, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They're going to want Fields after that performance...

Not sure if Walsh sends him or not, the Knicks traded away a bunch of solid role players early in their career. History shows it. Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza, Channing Frye…

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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yea its tough

but at the end of the day the question that needs to be asked is will fields or a fields/gallo combo even, would they ever be as good as melo? and that includes their primes and i just do not think gallo will, but i do think fields will be very important to a contender and if we want to be a contender we need more players like fields, donnie has done a great job drafting and if we had an all-star point that was a pass first guy we would be a top 5 team in the east

by frank8 on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

you know what?

I was hoping the same thing that he’d stay low but I’m guessing there’s a part of him that wants Denver to notice him.. being close to his home, family and friends in the West. Probably one of the reasons why he’s so fired up? And yet, we all know that Landry is very capable of what he did last night so I bet he’ll be doing a lot more of it in the coming road games given the opportunity by D’Antoni. But I’d still prefer we have both Melo and Fields here.

by Khel on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

glad this got a thread going

considering I brought it up earlier :)

A deal doesn’t happen unless Fields is included, IMO. I Don’t think Chandler or Gallo made good cases for themselves chucking up threes all night. If thats what it is going to take, I guess Donnie will have to mull it over. I mean we’re the Knicks, we don’t play rookies. We’re kidding ourselves. Just hope he doesn’t turn into another Christie, Barnes, etc and Melo pulls a McDyess (KNOCKING ON WOOD).

If the deal happens we have to pray Buke materializes into something decent. A starting five of Felt, Buke, Melo, Amar’e, and Turiaf isn’t terrible. Chandler or Gallo off the bench, depending on who gets included in the deal. I don’t know, but the team needs help.

Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW

Keep Gardner!!

by total hermination on Nov 17, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Fields has made his case in the NBA

so i agree with u 100%.. actually i think if we make ANY trade for a better player. Fields is going to be asked for 1st. He’s a rook, cheap, high iq, and is backing up minutes with stats and high efficiency.

I would go out on the limb and say i’d keep fields over gallo. BUT im not lol. take away your given 3-12 3pt night for gallo and substitute those shots with mid range and drives to the basket. Then this changes.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

By trading away Fields...

we are losing our best rebounder, hustler, and finisher on the break. That’s a lot to lose. That being said, I think Donnie would have to pull the trigger if Denver would take him.

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Nov 17, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You make some interesting points but I would probably take you more seriously

If your moniker wasn’t Isaiah Thomas’ nickname. Which makes me wonder is that you Isaiah?

by Robert Currence on Nov 17, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It sucks to give up on guys that play the right ways for a chucking superstar…geez

by EstiloZz on Nov 19, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

would not do it.

simply cuz there’s others I’d rather give up.

No need to appease the Nuggets. Wait.

Knicks are a better team with Melo + what they got, not (-) what they got

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

melo provides us with a goto scorer that can score at will

and that is something we need right now to complete this team. I would take fields over gallo right now just cause of his per.

by frank8 on Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Need both.

Fields is doing shit as a rook that makes him a lock to stay in the league for 10+ years.

He’s our Grant Hill (Suns version). We need that + Melo.

Melo does scoring and I guess rebounding now. Not much else. Its not a lateral move, but we’re then missing an important winning piece.

Roll with both. Fuck Isiah and his get better now schemes.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he does play similar to Grant hill

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Noooooooooooo

Please, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The Landryman can

by YuckFou on Nov 17, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If it means getting 'Melo then we have to do it.

Obviously, offer up others first but IMO, Denver are going to want Landry as part of any deal.

by D'Antoni's 'Tash on Nov 18, 2010 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Died

when you talked about Melo Fellow

Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.

by bm01bath on Nov 17, 2010 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

I read

The Yanks, Rangers, Giants, and Knicks sbnation blogs.

Whether the Knicks win or lose, this one has the most hilarious and entertaining writing. So, good work with that. Sure helps to take the sting out of their mindboggling inconsistency this year.

The other people in the library are looking and certainly judging while I’m laughing quite audibly about the muppets in Walt’s head.

by The Champs Are Here on Nov 17, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

More fun from the announcing booth?

Did anyone else hear Walt describe the physical play between Turiaf and Nene as “frivolous”? I may have misheard, but I played it back twice…

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Nov 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Frivolous Shenanigans

I haven’t read all the comments so I’m assuming somebody already posted this, but just in case:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/21733/knicks-win-everything-but-basketball-game

Also, the best gem of the night from clyde was saying that Melo’s “frivolous shenanigans have put the nuggets in this predicament”

I just came up with a new band name

by Adam NYC on Nov 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

Seth - You've got the gift

This was far and away the most entertaining, funniest, well written, and most informative article about last night’s game, and believe me I have read them all. I’ve got a 50 inch screen and can report that the Gallenari/Fields effect is evident on my screen as well. I think you are wasting your time studying zoology at the Yeshiva. I know you won’t be getting laid as much but you should be doing this for a living.

The Landryman can

by YuckFou on Nov 17, 2010 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

At the very least

Landry is increasing our stockpile of young assets.

I smell a much needed 4 game win streak

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Nov 17, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

I hope Landry is an asset the team keeps.

fucking tired of seeing players like Landry go off to greener pastures and succeeding. And the truth is Landy may be the best of the bunch (Nene, Ariza, Frye, Hill…too lazy to look up the others..)

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

likewise

but when people say “Knicks trade? They don’t have anybody that other teams would want” we can be like “You’re stupid” and back it up with Fields’ legitimacy.

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Nov 17, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

aight

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

and Seth

your best recap during my time here. Don’t let it got to your head, and don’t be included in a Melo package.

Most Definitely

by Ray Smuckles on Nov 17, 2010 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Gallo...

Is shooting 35% from the field and 32% from behind the 3pt. arc. D’Antoni is not the only person who favors Gallo around here thats for sure. I wish we’d kept Ewing Jr. Is it me or is Gallo’s defense is regressing or somthing. If he doesn’t start shooting better, the Knicks are finished. D’Antoni gambled everything on Gallo at least being as good as last year, and he’s not producing. The Knicks should be winning some of these games. D’Antoni has been getting out coached since he got here. The only good to come out of the Knicks loosing is, THERE ARE NO MORE EXCUSES!!! Nobody sat around and made excuses for Isiah! Some of us saw D’Antoni for who he was last year. We just were drowned out by all the excuse makers whom have their favorites. No Nash, no wins for D’Antoni!

by gaga71 on Nov 17, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

"Is it me or is Gallo’s defense is regressing or somthing."

Based on what? I hear this a lot people never actually back it up…

Gallo’s defensive rating (pts. allowed per 100 possessions) so far this year is a career best… his turnovers are down, his rebounding is up, his free throw attempts are way up (2nd on the team to Amar’e), and all of that factors in the first few games where he really did play like shit and got sat down as a result.

It’s funny, everyone calls him “one dimensional three point shooter”, but his one dimension sucks so far this year and yet his actual production has hardly suffered. I don’t understand why people are so eager to hang our struggles on Gallo, or why anyone really thinks a career 38% shooter from 3 will continue to shoot only 30% for the rest of the season.

by flossy on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

people like to make shit up

so they can complain about it.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 17, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I've noticed that.

I call it the Dizzy effect

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, enough already

I’m second to none with love for this write-up and Seth’s writing skills generally, but we can’t let our boy get too full of himself.

Think of the consequences. If he gets a swelled head, combined with that Jewfro, he’ll never be able to buy a hat or even fit through doorways.

Dishin' and swishin' in transition

by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 17, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sorry, man - this is true brilliance. :)

Give him a pair of clippers, but don’t take away the recap.

"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY

by pslieber on Nov 17, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought Provoking

finally sweet hallllleauuuaahhhh!! a writer who actually writes about the KNICKS. does this happen every game? because I would be immediately dumping the post, the news, espnny and maybe even realgm if it is.

Fields is the only player out there with a brain and he still gets 3 plays run for him a game, D’anphony should let the O run through a guy who actually knows that the closer you get to the hoop the better of a chance it goes in.

Like Ray Fel’s game but he does have to penetrate a bit more and attack if he wants the PNR to run smoothly. still a little upset we signed a PF to 100 milly that cant create his own shot

fire the coaching staff and get a coach who..well COACHES… this team is ridiculously athletic and their talents are not being utilized.

by Joseph Lucas Deleon on Nov 17, 2010 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

i love the allstate commercial

by marc1988 on Nov 17, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

seth you know any good knick podcast? i need something to listen to while at work

by frank8 on Nov 18, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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