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Knicks 113, Kings 106: "Gallo is going to foul out the entire city of Sacramento tonight."

Hey, they did it! On their second stop of a four-game road trip, the Knicks finally shook their losing streak, taking one from the struggling Kings in Sacramento. The Knicks followed a horrifying first quarter with a dominant, hot-shooting second, then made enough big shots and timely stops to avoid a Sacramento comeback bid and stay afloat until the final buzzer.

Amar'e Stoudemire led the way with 27 points and 10 boards for New York, while Danilo Gallinari dropped an incredibly efficient 27 of his own (Don't peek, but Gallo's secret to success is given away in the headline of this post, courtesy of game threadsman "StarksMiddleFinger"). Details on both of those Knicks AND MORE after the jump!!

Star-divide

- Because it was "Glee" night in Sacramento, we got to see the Knicks' starting lineups announced a cappella style. Last night, when I was dreaming of Landry Fields's name being melodized by a chorus of angelic voices, I had no idea I was predicting the future.

- That first quarter was like something out of a Knicks game nightmare. New York went 5-23 from the field due to the usual problems: Raymond Felton couldn't find an open teammate, nobody moved when Amar'e Stoudemire had the ball, and outside shots simply wouldn't fall. On the other end, Tyreke Evans repeatedly bulldozed Landry Fields and the rest of the Kings strode to the rim at will. After 12 minutes, it was 27-14, and eyes were a-rollin'.

- Between quarters, the Knicks must have partaken in a mass ingestion of some wonderful combination of PCP and Michael's Secret Stuff, because the second quarter saw an abrupt uptick in energy and confidence. All of a sudden, threes fell, fouls were called, and the Knicks were able to spin Sacto turnovers and missed jumpers into fast break offense. Danilo Gallinari, who'd rimmed a pair of open threes and taken a seat in the first, dominated the second frame with 15 points on a suddenly wet outside game and seven (!) free throws. "Suddenly Wet" also happens to be the name of Gallo's hair tonic of choice- a substance that, as astute P&T Twitter friend netw3rk noticed, was applied sparingly for the game. He'd struggled with the full-on slickness and seen intermittent success with the natural softness, so perhaps it's all about striking a balance? Anyway, the Knicks scored 40 points in the period and led by 5 at the half. It was as if the first quarter never happened.

- By the way, Michael's Secret Stuff should be the title of a Space Jam porn adaptation. Are there any sexy versions of Space Jam out there? Don't answer that in the comments.

- To nobody's surprise, Ronny Turiaf took Timofey Mozgov's starting spot and, to nobody's surprise, Turiaf played a quiet but effective game on both ends. On the Kings' end, Ronny matched up pretty ably with DeMarcus Cousins and others, all while pulling down 7 rebounds in 30 minutes. Offensively, Turiaf moved well, didn't look to score much, and played a whole bunch of point-center, which I loved. Ronny's a talented enough passer from his station at the top of the key and the Knick wings are crafty enough off of screens that a high post offense (with the appropriately furry and piratical Turiaf playing the role of Vlade Divac) isn't out of the question. That presence, combined with Turiaf's ability to run the pick-and-roll, can really make Amar'e Stoudemire's life easier. Amar'e can just outsource all the rolling and ball-handling to Turiaf and streak in at the end of plays to finish. At least, that's how I see it. Then again, I've been on that PCP/Secret Stuff combo since dessert.

- I should also mention that Turiaf played most of the third quarter with a tiny bead of spittle suspended in his chin fur. Naturally, this conjured images of Ronny hunting wild Sacramento River salmon at halftime.

- I should also also mention that when Carl Landry's contact lens fell out, Turiaf made a concerted effort to help him find it on the floor. My friend and I both marveled at Turiaf's helpfulness and agreed that Kevin Garnett would have urinated on the fallen contact and poked Carl in his other eye.

- It was agreed upon earlier today and re-hashed during a commercial break that there should be a bar/restaurant called Amy's Wine House.

- Danilo Gallinari showed a lot of savvy to earn his 17 trips to the foul line, including head fakes, dribbles when the defense wasn't set, and some timely flailing. If there's one thing I would have liked to fix, it was Gallo's tendency to lean and double-clutch when drawing contact at the rim. That's a bit of a habit for Gallo, and he'd probably get more calls and score a couple more points if he went up strong allllll the time.

- Amar'e Stoudemire's 27 points represent sweet jump-shooting, determination on drives to the rim, and a couple of important hoops down the stretch. There was still a lot of isolation from Amar'e, but he looked more committed to asserting his will and scoring even with contact. On the other end, Stoudemire wasn't quite as dogged. He got unearthed quite a bit by the smaller but feistier Carl Landry, who snaggled 6 offensive rebounds and wedged his way to easy buckets. He also got bopped in the face by a particularly acute rebound, cracking his goggles and taking a day or two off my life in the process. The team, we learned, travels with one extra pair of specs. I assume if two pairs break, that's grounds enough to assume that the ball has been fitted with a retina-seeking device and bench Amar'e for his own safety.

- Samuel Dalembert, who usually kills the Knicks, couldn't find many minutes in this one. DeMarcus Cousins soaked up most of his and Jason Thompson's court time and looked solid, if a trifle overzealous. Cousins has an impressive game and I like his style, but he could be a lot cooler by just...being cooler.

- Both Cousins and Landry Fields would be starters on an All-Plural-Noun-Surnames team, right? Who else?

- Landry Fields could not chose not to match his giant statistical output from Denver, but had 10 points and 5 boards, and played a role in forcing Tyreke Evans to hoist jumpers later in the game. Also contributing to said jumper-hoisting was Evans, who played the role of "Jumper Hoister" with all the recklessness of a latter-day Larry Hughes. Two thumbs up.

- Timofey Mozgov's inability to catch a pass is pretty impressive. If he doesn't demonstrate that he owns ten working fingers in the near future, I'll have to assume he has flippers, and then I'll resort to making obnoxious Baikal seal jokes and it'll get very ugly very quickly. Keep your eye on the ball, Timo.

- At the beginning of the season, I'd have told you that Toney Douglas was a combo guard and Raymond Felton was a point guard. Now, I wouldn't hesitate to call Toney a shooting guard and Felton a combo guard. Neither passed with much aplomb, but both shot well (Felton continued to do so while Douglas broke out of a mean funk with a couple of big jumpers).

- In reference to an unclear foul call, Mike Breen remarked "I thought it was going to be Head!". If neither that nor Breen's "Head now getting some penetration" line later on made you snicker and pick your nose furiously, then you probably won't like this blog.

- Walt Frazier may have outdone himself in the mispronunciation department. Usually, Clyde's garbled player names are up for somedebate, mostly with regard to the specific faux-netics and exactly how many "R"s he added. Tonight, Clyde plainly and unmistakably referred to Beno Udrih as "Uterus" for the entirety of the game. I don't think that can ever be topped.

- Sacramento's comeback was a bit discouraging, and they might have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling missed jumpers. On the other hand, the Knicks' late-game offense elevated from "utterly useless" to "mostly incompetent", which is a small improvement. It seemed like Felton handled the ball and tried to penetrate a bit more down the stretch, which is fine by me. He's got the finishing ability to make some tough late-game shots, and, at the very least, can kick out to the perimeter. The pick-and-roll could one day be the reliable late-game maneuver (and, thanks to some blindingly bad defense by Mr. Uterus, Ray and Amar'e ran a sweet one in the final minutes), but it's typically the one play the defense tries to prevent down the stretch.

- Aside from one magnificently timed block on Cousins, I remember absolutely nothing that Wilson Chandler did. The box score tells me was 5-9 (with just one three-pointer) for 13 points and 4 rebounds. That, to me, is a pretty ideal game for Silent Wil.

- Did you feel it? That little something missing from the court tonight? Mike D'Antoni is quietly shifting toward a shorter rotation. Bill Walker deservedly assumed all of Roger Mason Jr.'s minutes while Anthony Randolph was a DNP-CHNIWTDWH (let the games begin!). That cuts it down to 9 men, with Mozgov barely making an impact. Who knows what will come of Randolph and Mason and how things will change if and when Kelenna Azubuike and Eddy Curry return, but don't be surprised to see that gradual pruning of the rotation.

- If I had to guess, I'd guess that Paul Westphal fancies himself some Croakies. Even if I didn't have to guess, I'd still guess that.

- 15 three-point attempts and 39 free throw attempts means the Knicks were doing something right, and it also means Alan Hahn won't be grumbling and whimpering in his sleep tonight. Much better, Knicks.

That'll do it. The road trip continues Friday against Golden State. Is it time for a new, happier streak?

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- Both Cousins and Landry Fields would be starters on an All-Plural-Noun-Surnames team, right? Who else

Gallinari I believe is the plural of Gallinarus

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 18, 2010 6:26 AM EST reply actions  

Stoudemire

is the plural of Toudemire

by Dutchmarau on Nov 18, 2010 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

How about:

Buckets

As in, “My name is Al Harrington and I get Buckets.”

They will be for!

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 18, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather he not be on the team

but Gus Johnson can announce it.

BTW, Gus is the singular for Gi, which is the present tense for Gian

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 18, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

wouldn't it be great

if that meant he would be willing to fetch a pail?

/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \

by stingy d on Nov 18, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay I've got my Plural Nouns lineup:

PG- Aaron Brooks SG- Gilbert Arenas SF- Landry Fields PF- Brandon Bass
C- DeMarcus Cousins

Bench- PG- Marcus Banks SG- CJ Miles SF- Matt Barnes C- Larry Sanders

PF- I wanted to put in Derrick Favors or Dujaun Summers, but I’m going to use John Salmons instead. I think it’s a law of nature that one plural fish name can only be replaced by another plural fish name.

They will be for!

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 18, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Bass is right on

Barnes is a stretch.

Can’t believe I missed Brooks and Arenas

by gbnypat on Nov 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, Seth - you've outdone yourself once more.

Simply put: I have no doubt the actual game is far less entertaining than the brilliant recaps.

"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY

by pslieber on Nov 18, 2010 7:16 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

here here !

as an olde timey englishman would say

by ben linus on Nov 18, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

DNP-CHNIWTDWH

Did Not Play – Coach Has No Idea What To Do With Him

HUZZAH! Game foiled.

by Longbeard on Nov 18, 2010 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

Did Not Play - Crackers Have Nothing In Which To Determine Whos Happy

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Did Not Play -

Cheese Heightens Natural Indigestion, In Which The Duodenum Withers Haphazardly.

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Uterus

hahaha I was dying all night listening to that one. Agreed, it will be hard to top that one!

A win is a win so I’m going to keep the cold water to a minimum, just a little disappointed in the Sacto comeback and the inability to carry Gallo’s hot hand into the 4th quarter. It seemed a combo of Gallo not being aggressive in demanding the ball and the usual Knicks 4th quarter offensive shennanigans. But all in all the effort was very good for most of the night and thats a start.

I know Donnie is probably well aware, but this team is dying for a true backup PG (no knock on TD, who really is just a SG).

by the mecca on Nov 18, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Plural nouns

Ramon Sessions
DaJuan Summers
CJ Miles
Sean Marks
Patrick Mills
Larry (belt) Sanders

And my personal favorites:
Brian Cardinal
Brandon Bass

And the one that should be but isn’t:
John Salmons

by gbnypat on Nov 18, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

Marcus Banks!

Keith Bogans? I’m afraid to think what a bogan would be.

Hot shit! It’s real!

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 18, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man

I love the ones that should be nouns but aren’t. For Example:

Devin Ebanks: The natural evolution of banks in the digital age.

Marreese Speights: When there is more than one eight of spades in a deck of cards

Sonny Weems: This one’s actually in Urban Dictionary

The (Josh) McRoberts and (Antonio) McDyess: The McRobert would be a McRib topped with a McChicken Wrapped in a McBurrito. I don’t what the McDyes would be but it would have a lot of red dye #40

Michael Pietrus: A Pietru is the real Felix Pie. Not an impersonator. Of which there are many.

Rodrique Beaubois: Literal translation: “Handsome Boy.” Figurative translation: French Altar server.

Yeah, I have work I’m not doing. What of it?

by gbnypat on Nov 18, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

DNP-CHNIWTDWH

Does not Participate Cuz Holding Nifkin In Water To Day With Hornbean

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 18, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Mikes Secret Stuff

was just water! they had it in them the whole time.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

That's what they said in the movie

A study in the mid-2000s revealed it was actually a blend of dozens of substances including HGH and, oddly enough, 4 Loko.

by Seth on Nov 18, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

so thats how bugs bunny

had all that energy

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Priceless

Was rolling with the back-to-back comments of Turiaf hunting river salmon at halftime to Garnett’s urination tendencies… funny stuff.

by Zhantee on Nov 18, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

dammit.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 18, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

smh

if only he had the brainfieldsville mentality

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

when buike comes back he will get walkers mins, and at some point if mozgov keeps playing like this AR will get his mins. Even if mozgov starts playing better we need to find randolph some mins, but at the same time right now we need to win so i dont care what the rotation is as long as we win

by frank8 on Nov 18, 2010 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

pretty much

/// aighttho.com \\/// twitter.com/aighttho \\

by stingy d on Nov 18, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Gallo to the Stripe...Clyde and Uterus

basically the story of the game… not settling for jumpshots finally is beginning to mean something to this team… as soon as they did they let Sac get in the game later in the 2nd half… but they continued to slash and thats why the won… lets use our athleticism out there boys we got this!!!

by Joseph Lucas Deleon on Nov 18, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

Did Not Play – Cause He Was Not In While Trying to Dye Walt’s (facial) Hair

by XLII on Nov 18, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

one thing that does worry me are the the stat sets his picks, THEY SUCK, he barely touches the defender, no wonder felton cant get him the ball. I can not remember him setting lousy picks in pho so why do it here?

by frank8 on Nov 18, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

ya.. wuttap with that ?

he had to have been setting decent picks in phx.

by ben linus on Nov 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It is spacing fellas pure and simple,

Nash and him used to run a tighter pick and roll but he had Felton are further apart when it is initiated, that probably has to do with the fact that Nash’s man tended to ply more up on him than Felton’s man does. That creates more space to move and allows the guy to not get nailed when Stoudemire sets the pick. Felton can help that by taking one dribble towards his man as Stat is coming in, the result, Smack he nails the guy!

by Robert Currence on Nov 18, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Watched the 1st quarter and went to bed

And it looks like I missed, at the very least, a win. But one that probably would have taken years off my life. The comebacks are the killers. Thank Buddha TFinallyDWTDD (although, MUCH less shooting would befit Toney even more) and Gallo got his act together. And while I’m sure it’s been remarked on before, has anyone else noticed that when play stops, Toney Douglas’s body seems to partially shutdown? It’s like he turns off all but the essential muscle functions to remain ambulatory, but the rest of him (including his face) goes slack. It’s almost reminscient of Dean Martin sashaying around, crooning “You’re nobody, til some… body love you”.

by RobDiablo44 on Nov 18, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

goes along with the reason to how

he play at200% every second his defender has the rock

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 18, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's like a screen saver

He’s storing energy when the ball isn’t live.
DWTDD = Green.

by RobDiablo44 on Nov 18, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

superb

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Best recaps in the biz.
My friend and I both marveled at Turiaf’s helpfulness and agreed that Kevin Garnett would have urinated on the fallen contact and poked Carl in his other eye.

That gave me the funnies.

by Crackback on Nov 18, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

I'm a member of a few SB sites and none of the other recaps make me lol in my Natural Hazards class at 11:50 in the morning

Did anyone see MDA’s post game interview when someone asked him about Randolph? He had a mini-seizure and said, (paraphrasing), “I even called him at home and told him he wouldn’t be playing tonight”, while convulsing slightly.

by Stargazey on Nov 18, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

What are natural hazards?

Like earthquakes and shit?

Thanks for the kind words, too.

by Seth on Nov 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh shit

Your class just started. Pay attention!

by Seth on Nov 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i saw that shit

and i think it was hilarious.

Clearly he is not a fan of the NY media. Cant say I blame him.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i think he is a fan

just like last season he was a fan of TD, but felt that he needed to learn some things before he got some PT.

if the fans were acting rational, and giving these extremely young players some time to gel and not calling for his head with less then a month of games played, maybe he would be more willing to let AR spin. But I cant blame him for coaching like his job is on the line.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose

But at the same time, he’s giving Turiaf as many (or more) minutes as he can handle, playing Amar’e a bunch at the five with Wilson Chandler at the 4 (which is so, so dumb), and giving some PT to Mozgov, who is only marginally more polished than Randolph and has less upside… so you can see how it might seem like he’s going out of his way to not play AR. Hopefully the ol’ DNP is the exception and not the rule the season.

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree somewhat

my figuring is that Moz is an actual 5, AR is more of a 4. So while they are both raw, one is at the position we need, and one is less so. We really only have 2.5 people that can play the 5, at the 4, with STAT getting most of the min we have less of a need.

Also, AR has played in the NBA and more importantly in America his whole life, so he has an idea of what it is. I think part of playing Moz (for just a few min) is to kind of give him glimpses of things on this side of the pond.

I think AR is really really raw. A little moreso then I expected. I am sure he is getting plenty of focus in practice, and (just like I kept saying last year with respect to HIll and TD… and I was right) as the season moves along and these guys learn more about the system, his PT will increase. Remember that Toney ended up starting about 1/4 of our games last season… no small feat for a late 1st round rookie. While he has been slumping shooting… it appears that his learning then playing worked well with his development.

Its not that he has a problem with rookies, just look at fields, I think its more that he feels that learning in games can be detrimental to development in early stages. its easy to get discouraged and if you start feeling like you are the reason the team lost can lead to bad habits and a sourly disposition. I agree with him too. AR is part of the future of this team, but at present… he is really like a raw rookie.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget

All that success in Phoenix was with Amare at the 5.

Yes, he had a rebounding 4 in Shawn Marion. D’Antoni is hoping Wilson can be that type of 4. He can block and defend like Marion, but right now can’t rebound like him.

Can AR be that player? He is much more in the Marion mold, but we haven’t seen it yet

by Adam NYC on Nov 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am Sure Pringles would like to spend many years

Coaching Randolph and watching him develop into the absolute beast I am sure he will become someday, however if Pringles doesn’t start stringing some wins together, someone else will be coaching Randolph possibly by April. So whats best for Pringles and Randolph is that they win some Damn games so D’Antoni can keep his job, can continue to work with the young fella.

by Robert Currence on Nov 18, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess we differ on if AR can help to win games at this point

i mean, he has shown some flashs, but really he seems out of control and has no clue what to do.

If people would just not be assholes and give the team some real time to develop, like we all knew would be needed at the start of the season, then maybe he can coach to what would be best for the team.

There was a lot of discussion over on the SB Mets Blog (amazinavenue) about a similar situation in our young pitcher jenrry mejia. Dude is a stud prospect and has a killer fastball. The mets brought him up to the majors to pitch out of the bullpen instead of letting him learn how to pitch as a starter (a much more valuable position in baseball) and in doing so, seriously stunted his development. He was not able to work on the things (secondary pitches) that he needed to really compete at the top level. He showed some flashes while with the big club, but in the end had a really bad stat line. So they eventually (and predictably) demoted him back down and put him back on the path he was on before all the nonsense. Just with about half a season of wasted time (and that is not even talking about the shattered confidence he experienced by sucking ass in the pros).

During this, there was a line by one of the mets announcers that they “wanted to win now, not three years from now” when discussing why it made sense to bring them up. It bothered alot of us cause while yes, we want to win now, we would rather have a dominate starter 3 years from now then have an average player for a long time.

Its priorities. When you coach/manage based off of fear of having to win now, you end up hurting your team more then if you treat each player as an individual and do what is best for them. Yes, I want the knicks to win now, and maybe playing AR could net us 1 or 2 more wins this year. But if Mike D is allowed to do him right, and maybe help turn him into a superstar, he could net us 10 more wins next season.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

See, my thing is

Before his injury last season Randolph was averaging 11.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 1.5 blocks in 22 minutes, scoring about as efficiently as Wilson Chandler does. He averaged marginally more assists and turnovers per minute than Chandler. And this was for Don Nelson, who is insane. So he can be an impact player on an NBA team, right now, if not a superstar right away.

Either a) he has really, really regressed over the summer (possible, but unlikely), b) his productivity was as a result of Don Nelson (really, really unlikely) or he is being poorly coached and under-used on the Knicks (which I think is the case).

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think its either of the reasons u said

I thnk AR, no disrespect, it taking a long time to get familiar with the scheme. Its seems every time he’s gotten playing time, he’s made a boo boo on defense. On that usually results in players looking around like who was missing from what. It seems. like. he. thinks. before. doing. anything. Like. how. im. writing. Passing… stops..thinks..passes.. same with his shot. Herky jerk shit that shows he is uncomfortable taking shots right now. Either way.. i think he has the talent..its just he needs a little more time in the fridge to firmate and be prime for the game.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i agree.

Something tells me he is gonna be getting major min by end of season.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well

i dont disagree. But I also think that just cause a guy can put up good numbers, doesnt necessarily mean he is helping the team win.

On a team that is really trying to find itself, like we are, putting in AR could do more harm then good.

I cant say I know 100%. I do know I would love it if he was playing and wish it was that way. But I cant say I am upset with Mike D for bringing him along slowly. I do know that when he is in games, he seems really really lost.

I also think that one of the real issues with how Nelson treated AR was jerking him around. Not communicating and just playing him one day and not the next. If Mike D has a plan for AR, then sitting him for a little while is not that bad.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

and also

love the rational conversation.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

"If Mike D has a plan for AR, then sitting him for a little while is not that bad."

Agreed. The difference between communicating to a player what they’re doing wrong, why they’re getting or not getting playing time, and working with them to improve vs. saying “fuck it, this kid is retarded and I need to win some games now, let him keep Rautins company on the bench”… is HUGE.

I guess that’s what Pringles was trying to hint at by saying he called AR at home to tell him he wouldn’t get any playing time. I guess it wouldn’t surprise me if D’Antoni & Co have decided they basically need to re-teach him the game of basketball. But if that’s the case, they need to follow through… and eventually he will need to see actual minutes in real NBA games, and be allowed to play through some mistakes.

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i think that AR's PT goes down as MDAs seat gets hotter

which is very unfortunate.

I agree that this guy can easily be a big time contributer right NOW and that it will not stunt his growth unlike it did in a completely different sport with Mejia.

I mean, the guy can clearly play with energy, run the break, rebound, play defense.

While I think that some players need to earn their minutes, in ARs case, he needs to feel free to make mistakes and know that he will continue to get at least 15 mpg.

He will win us more games than he loses us in the end. He needs some confidence behind him.

by wasabi1212 on Nov 18, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i know the situations are not exacitally the same

but i though it was somewhat similar.

I would love to see him, and yes… he may help now. But that is a risk that Mike D can not take… since apparently all that talk about this being the season in which to judge him really meant that this was the month in which to judge him.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He CAN do those things

But you also get the poor shot selection. A 6’11" rebounding energy put-back guy should average up around 50 % shooting but his shooting percentage is kinda poor for a big guy and that was true last year also.

by fuhry on Nov 18, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

in the future

when you put up a pic (hopefully not quite as many) you can make them smaller, so it is less annoying.

when you put the link in the box and click ok you get this:
img src=“http://skins14.wincustomize.com/7/13/713841/32/44/preview-32-44.jpg”/ (but in brackets)

if you do this:
img src=“http://skins14.wincustomize.com/7/13/713841/32/44/preview-32-44.jpg” width=“250”/ (but in brackets)

and you get a picture that is just 250 px across and not 600 like you had.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Nov 18, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They should win 2mor night.

David lee’s infected elbow along with Will’s bacterialized tooth is still in the hospital.

by flight21 on Nov 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Completely random trade question

Why wouldn’t we, as a team, prefer Igoudala over Melo? Isn’t that a much better fit for what we need from a new star wingman?

by Adam NYC on Nov 18, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Iggy makes 12M.

He’s a 17 and 6 player that makes 12M. Pass. Fields can average somewhere around that at years end. Iggy is flashy and is a highflyer but his contract is hell for his production. Good player, bad contract.

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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 18, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also one of the best wing defenders in the entire NBA

And a terrific passer for his position. And lethal in transition…

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

What would we rather have?

1. Max contract, volume shooter and scorer, good rebounder, poor defense

2. Less than max, effective scorer, top 5 defender

by Adam NYC on Nov 18, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a good player

but bringing him here doesn’t guarantee us anything. I’ll feel more comfortable paying a little extra for a proven winner instead of paying a little less for a proven loser.

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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 18, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

“17 and 6” is like looking at a car and judging it by the color. 2 categories is an incomplete picture. I would even say all stats is still an incomplete picture, but since we’re going there:

2009-2010

28.2pts, 6.6reb, 3.2ast, 1.3stl, 0.4blk, 45.8fg%, 83.0ft%, 3TO

17.1pts, 6.5reb, 5.7ast, 1.7stl, 0.6blk, 44.3fg%, 77.3ft%, 2.7TO

by Adam NYC on Nov 18, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you trying to prove? The stats show Anthony is better.

Carmelo is the better player and personally I believe he’s worth 4M more per year than Iggy. I’d much rather build around Amare and Carmelo instead of Amare and Iggy.

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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 18, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Iguodala

But given the choice I’d choose Anthony each time. If we missed out on Anthony, Iggy would be a nice plan B but his contract is still a bad one.

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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 18, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

nor trying to prove anything

Just throwing it out there for conversation. I actually don’t know where I stand on it really either. I just know that I am more skeptical than most about the wisdom of bringing Melo here. I think he needs to shoot a lot, and so does Amare. And, I think his defense is poor. And he will cost the max.

When Iggy popped into my head, my initial knee-jerk reaction was that it could be a great fit. Athletic and likes to get out and run, so fits well with D’Antoni in that regard. Not a good shooter, so doesn’t fit in that regard. But one of the best defenders in the league, super athletic, and won’t compete with Amare for shots. And, cheaper than the max.

Seems at least worth a debate, and I hadn’t seen this proposed anywhere yet.

by Adam NYC on Nov 18, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Iggy would rather build

Around Carmelo and Amare that Amare and Iggy.

by Robert Currence on Nov 18, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The question is really

Would you rather build around

a) Amar’e, Carmelo and Felton (with Gallo on the bench I guess), or

b) Amar’e, Iggy, Gallo and Chris Paul

If you chose a), I respectfully submit that you are insane.

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

now we're adding to it..

but is there enough money to even entertain this idea

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno... depends on the new CBA I guess

But if we pay Amar’e $20mm per and Carmelo $22mm per… you can definitely kiss Chris Paul goodbye.

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo can't get 22m under the new CBA

and Paul can probably be fit in if we trade for him in 2011, securing his Bird rights

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by The Rooster on Nov 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd get $22mm if we traded for him

But who knows what the new max level will be, or what the cap will be, or if Bird rights will still exist under the new CBA.

But the basic calculus will probably remain similar, which is that having two max-salary players on your roster makes it virtually impossible to add a 3rd unless he’s willing to take a big pay cut.

by flossy on Nov 18, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget about box scores, just watch them play

Melo is way, way better.

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by The Rooster on Nov 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Im watching the replay on Msg

if you think im a loser cause im watching the replay not in 60, the whole dam game, then screw you dude.. i need to watch this win again…

by choplo on Nov 18, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

with regard to players and personel and such

as far as trades, free agency, and even discussions regarding guys we have within and out of our own rotation, I think alot of people are thinking about things in the wrong aspect.

The question is not: is so and so good? or is player x overall better than player y?

what we need to ask is if any of these players we want to sign, demote, get burn etc..will they be good & can they fit in our system & contribute right away?

because really Walsh is good enough to wheel and deal to get anyone IMO but he back’s Dantoni and Dantoni is judge jury & executioner when it comes down to PT on the court so he’ll have to be cool with it.

Dantoni does some things well that I like and some things that I absolutely abhor, among those things he does not answer to anyone about his lineups, PT, or offensive philosophy. It’s appearant thru his words and actions he has a clear plan and goal with these things and won’t budge on them for anyone.

So these things must be considered when we start hoping and a wishing for lineup changes, trades etc etc…

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Nov 18, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

seth there was a porn pop-up when i clicked on the link!!!!

EW LMAO

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Nov 19, 2010 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

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