So When Is Gallo Going To Be Better Than Crawford?
by IGMKNICKS on Nov 28, 2010 6:25 AM EST
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PrintOf course it's Jamal Crawford who comes into the Garden, once his home, and leads the Hawks in their victorious quest to end our five game winning streak. Not only does he come here and beat his old team, but he continues to look more comfortable at Madison Square Garden than the person who was said to replace him. Remember two years ago when the common wisdom was that Crawford, who never played for a playoff team, was not as good as Gallo, who was said to have one of the purest shots ever. Gallo was supposed to be better than Crawford the loser. What happened with that?
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Nothing happened with it, because it was always made up conjecture. Crawford is still better than Gallo and is now showing it on a winning team. Isn't it that simple? Crawford is leading on a winner and Gallo is inconsistent and still waiting to find himself in New York.
Last night Crawford scored 21 points in 27 minutes, adding three assists and two steals. In the showdown, Gallo played 23 ineffective minutes during which he scored 4 points, went 0-2 from the tre and failed to get to the free throw line once.
So far this season, Crawford three point shooting has been an abysmal 33%. It was his shot selection that led him to being referred to as the Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde of jump-shooters -- one day he was Crawsome, the next Crawful. However, Gallo, who has been force-fed as the Knicks starter at the 2-3 position is shooting only 36% and has consistently disappeared for long segments of most games he's played in.
Comparing Crawford and Gallo straight up reveals nothing that we can't see for ourselves. Gallo is averaging 15.4 points, 4.5 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 32 minutes of court time. In 29 minutes, Crawford is scoring 14.2 ppg, dishing 3.3 apg and 1.9 rpg. Craw is shooting 42% from the field. Gallo, he without a mid-range game, is shooting only 38%. But, Gallo, who has been to the line far more than Crawford, is killing it at 92% from the line whereas Crawford is shooting 86%.
The stats only tell part of the story of course. The fact is that Gallo has not lived up to the unfortunate hype yet. That's understandable. The hype was stupid. What is not understandable is that he hasn't lived up to Crawford comparisons yet. Craw is the main cog on a winning team and despite Craws defensive deficiencies he always has his head in the game and a head for the game. His shot selection has improved with better teammates. he is the current sixth man of the year and draws more fouls than anyone from a jump -shooting position. Gallo continues to have long lapses and disappears in games. He is a starter and has not, until recently, shown an ability to will the team to victory.
I believe Gallo can be much better, but he is unlikely to ever be better than Jamal Crawford. Perhaps we'll have to consider picking Craw up again when we force Gallo on Denver in exchange for Melo, because we better not give up Landry Fields. Now he will be better than both Gallo and Crawford. (Just Blogging)
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This idea has too much fail in it
and can be explained by Jamal’s 3rd year averages: 10.7pts, 4.2 assists (he was a PG or at least a combo guard..) and 2.3 boards all in a measly 24:53 minutes per.
Jamal is a vet. Gallo is a youngin. Stop hating.
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Jamal is a chucker
always was, always will be. He’s a dynamite scorer off the bench.
But he will make too much money..always. The Knicks just don’t have the room. I’d really have no problem if he was our 6th man, but I dunno that his contract will ever fit.
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Think of it another way
If the Knicks had Crawford at his salary, they couldn’t afford Turiaf or Felton.
This was Crawford's first good game of the season.
He was struggling all game long.
Bonita Applebum, you gotta put me on.
by King Henry the 2nd on Nov 28, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions
I meant all year long.
Bonita Applebum, you gotta put me on.
by King Henry the 2nd on Nov 28, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Never, Ever Will he be as good as J.Crawford.
Gallo should never ever be mentioned in the same sentence as J.Crawford, much less ask who is better. Once again Gallo had a monster game with 4 HUGE points for our beloved Knicks. Maybe he will score 8 huge points for us today.
Could Landry Fields be our Derek Jeter? Things that make you say HMMMM!!!!!!
He scored 20
So -- he basically has about 6 very good games out of the last 7. You’re totally judging a 22-year old on one game yesterday? A bit reactionary, don’t you think?
Jamal Crawford sucks
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 28, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Okay, here is a head-to-head comparison of Gallo and Crawford through their third seasons, when they were both 22 (obviously Gallo’s #s for this season are only partial).
It is not even close. Gallo is way, way better than Crawford was at his age, even when you adjust for their minutes to make up for the fact that Craw couldn’t get much PT his first 3 years with the Bulls (another fact in Gallo’s favor). For guys who primarily bring scoring, Gallo is so much more efficient a scorer his his early 20s (check out the difference in TS% – 58% for Gallo to 49% for Crawford—wow) it is not even funny.
Even now, it took an entire decade in the league, for Crawford to get his scoring efficiency above Wilson Chandler territory, and it was still below Gallo’s. And did I mention that he’s four inches shorter and five times as expensive? If you would trade Gallo for Crawford—Crawford now, Crawford then, whatever—you are insane.
by flossy on Nov 28, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
apples and oranges
never mind that their respective stats match up evenly, these guys should not be compared to one another at all. First off, they play two different positions that ask different things of the both of them, second Jamal has waaaaay more years under his belt.
I love craw, he was the only dude that looked like he wanted to win on a team populated with guys who looked as if winning didn’t matter. On top of that he was very humble.
but lets not turn him into michael jordan.
would I welcome him back…sure, under the right conditions but it’s not even as if he was let go because of Gallo lets remember he was let go to chase Lebron….which turned into Stat.
And if I remember correctly, there was a real strong contingent of knick’s fan who had no probs tossing jamal aside if it meant a better shot at James.
Lets keep thing in perspective.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 28, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
jamal crawford
is nothing more than a chucker with acceptable handle….seriously whenever crawford shoots a shot u have no clue if its going in……gallo is also a completely different player…..he’s built differently….u cant compare the two
by hopelessknickfan on Nov 28, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Think back to ....
when Jamal was on the Knicks. If you think Gallo is streaky, Jamal’s performances over the few years he was on the Knicks were very streaky and uneven. And ….. agree with hopelessknickfan that Jamal was always a “chucker.” His shot selection was almost always questionable and, not surprisingly, Isaiah never provided any mentoring whatsoever to Jamal.
Don’t get me wrong -- I like Jamal personally and think he has talent. But -- Gallo has so much more upside for the Knicks at age 22 than Jamal had at the time they let him go.
You're kidding right? Or ignoring the facts.
The issue was never who was better by comparison of their third year (@Flossy), but we can discuss that and you would still be wrong about who WAS better.
The issue is who has been better since Jamal was a Knick and Gallo was projected to be better. The issue is who IS better. Third year comparisons only make sense if you are trying to avoid the truth about Gallo not being as good as Crawford at this time, now.
Let’s look at this third year theory. First of all, Gallo’s third year has him as a second year starter averaging 32 minutes per game. Jamal started 31 games his third year after starting six games his second year. He played 24 minutes per game. Is that because Gallo was better or because Gallo is coached by his uncle and taken as a projected star in the first round.
Anyway, by Gallo’s third year, his second as a starter, he should have much better stats than Jamal, don’t you think? Well, comparing Gallo as a second year starter against Jamal as a third year role player, the difference in stats is basically negligible. Jamal’s FG% was 41.3% compared to Gallo’s 38.7%. Who’s chucking? Gallo, the starter and three point specialist, has a 36% make rate. Jamal had a .355 average which rounded off would be 36%, right?.. Gallo the starter with 8 more minutes scores 15.4 ppg; Jamal scored 10.7 with greater efficiency. In fewer minutes Jamal achieved 2.3 rebounds to Gallos 4.5; Jamal had 4.2apg compared to Gallo’s 1.4.; Jamal had 1.0 steals pg to Gallo’s .9 – so let’s round that off to 1 steal every 32 minutes.
You dare to say that Gallo was better than Jamal was his third year. You’re kidding right.
But the more telling fact is that between his second and his third year, Gallo’s improvement has been negligible and in most statistical categories he has regressed.
Check Jamal’s improvement from the third year to his fourth year when he started 73 games. OK.
Still, the third year comparison tries to escape the point of who is better now.
The comparison is a just one because Jamal played the 1-2 and in a small three guard lineup (Nate, Marbury, Jamal) was occasionally the three. Gallo plays the 2-3. He could conceivably play some one if D’Antoni had any sense. So, I’m not sure where you get that different position thing Lord Smackington. In fact in D’Antoni’s offense they fulfill much the same role.
I’m not also sure where the MJ reference comes into play. If I said Gallo was Bird, then maybe by extension I wd be calling Jamal MJ, but Gallo is not Bird or even Bob McAdoo and neither is Jamal. So the perspective is a simple comparison of Jamal and Gallo.
hopelesknickfan. They’re built differently,therefore you can’t compare them? Gallo is built differently from Dirk and Ray Allen too. What are we comparing body types.
C’mon guys. the only thing in favor of Gallo is that he earns less but that’s because he is on his rookie contract. When he goes into his second contract, would you pay him what Crawford makes and keep him? Furthermore, that tossing Crawford for nothing just to create cap space wasn’t a smart move then and really exposed itself when LeBron rejected Walsh and the Knicks because they didn’t have a team to come to. Clearly, Gallo was not attractive enough of an attraction. Ball knows ball.
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I wasn't trying to avoid anything
Gallo and Crawford are both scorers first. Gallo’s so-far third year scoring numbers are better than Crawford’s third year numbers were even when you adjust for minutes (17.3 pts/36 for Gallo, with an amazing true shooting percentage of 60% and a per of 17 so far vs. Jamal with 15.5 pts/36 on a very meh 50% true shooting, per of 15.5).
22 year old Gallo is better now than 22 year-old Jamal was then, no question.
But even to compare them right at this moment, all the numbers I quoted for Gallo are the same, but this year Crawford is also averaging 17.3 pts/36, but on 1.5 more shots per game and with a lower TS%. Because Gallo is a more efficient scorer, right now.
Gallo’s at least as good, if not better, right now. I actually liked Jamal Crawford but he is an unbelievably streaky shooter with horrendous shot selection. He is actually peaking late in his career with the Hawks and becoming more efficient at scoring, but Gallo is still his equal in that regard and with much higher upside. Add to that taller, younger, cheaper, actually gives a shit about defense… Stop waiting for Gallo to be better than Crawford, he already is.
If you're going to use advanced stats from basketball reference. . . .
Comparing third years is practically useless for now, but since you took the time to make the argument and reach into basketball reference to support a fallacious point, I will give you the courtesy of a response.
If Gallo is a better ball player (not just chucker) than Crawford when comparing their third years, why not support your argument with all the facts. Playing ball is about more than scoring. I see the advanced statistics show that Craw’s third year assist percentage (as a role player) was a whopping 28.8 to Gallo’s meager 6.5. That means that while Crawford was on the floor he contributed to almost 4xs more to the percentage of teammate field goals while he was on on the floor.
And what about Craws steal percentage of 2.0 to Gallo’s 1.4. Gallo’s rebounding percentage? 8.0 to Craw’s 5.1. As a role player at the 1-2 position Craw got to three fewer available boards than Gallo at the 2-3.
Anyway, that being said Crawford’s current true shooting percentage is 56% to Gallo’s “amazing true shooting percentage of 60%.” But who is the most efficient scorer? Gallo’s efg is .477 to Craws .488. (with an assist percentage of 17.8 to Gallo’s paltry 6.5).
If you look at the stats alone Gallo is NOT as good as Crawford. And thinking about Defense is not the same as playing it. Gallo’s defense sucks too. But more significantly, Craw knows how to use his tools and play the game. Gallo disappears and does not make his teammates any better. Gallo is supposed to be the number two on his team. Craw is the number 6. Gallo would be a #6 on a team not coached by his godfather.
Anyway, if you’re going to use advanced stats advance all of them our way.
But this is about winning right? So what does it say that as a role player Craws win share was 2.8 in his third year and Gallo’s so far is 1.9. Now as a starter he did have a slightly higher win share per 48 minutes (0.165 to .067).
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I'm not going to debate every advanced stat category with you player by player
Overall their stats pretty plainly show that Gallo is currently, and has been for his short career, a more efficient scorer than Jamal Crawford both right now and historically. They also show that the two play different positions and have different roles. Jamal is more ball-dominant (higher usage), more of a play-maker and more turnover prone. Gallo is a forward, plays more off the ball and is a better rebounder, though this could stand to improve. None of the other stats make a whole lot of difference except at the very margins.
Given their age difference, salary difference, size factor, and the negligible difference in stats you have to go Gallo all the way right now. Jamal Crawford isn’t the worst, but he is only now, in the second half of his career, beginning to play smart basketball. His role with the Hawks is much different (and easier) than the role he occupied for the Knicks to very mixed results. Could Gallo average 14-17/game in 30+ minutes off the bench for the Hawks? I don’t know. Could Jamal Crawford handle the role of primary perimeter scorer for the Knicks? Uh… didn’t we see that movie already? And it had some good parts, but most sucked?
No need to go over every stat
because they simply don’t prove your point, except that Gall "may’ be a slightly better shooter which according to the current eFg is not true.
But let’s skip the stats that say Jamal is a better more productive all round player for his team and talk about the truth. You guys keep selling upside that you are unlikely to see as long as D’Antoni is the coach. Gallo is being force fed as a starter when he really isn’t one. He disappears for long stretches both offensively and defensively. He has trouble scoring when someone is guarding him for the most part. He did have a very nice three game stretch were he was engaged and aggressive at “key” points in the game. About time. But he is a set shooter without a mid-range game who does not pass the ball although he could. His claim to fame is that he takes more tres than anybody — well that’s the offense. He does not have the best shooting percentage in tres though, does he.
Gallo is a nice guy who I think is getting the wrong tutelage, but there is no way in hell that he is the player that Crawford is.
Thank god for stats because you guys are being totally delusional about how good Gallo is. But the players know. Denver knows. Harrington told it right when he said Gallo’s teammates knew and were upset about the preferential treatment, because Gallo has never played consistently well and has never shown himself to be the shooter he’s supposed to be and a game here and there don’t count.
The only point that makes any sense is that Gallo is cheaper. That’s the advantage of having someone on a rookie contract, but that certainly does not make him a better baller.
Perhaps you gents will wake up by the end of the season when you’ve seen how ineffective he is with teams who guard the perimeter,
Gotta give him credit for today though. After the Pistons wore down and stopped rotating in the 2d OT, Gallo did hit those wide open tres. Now that was clutch, but they were unguarded set shots that he’s supposed to hit.
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Come on son
Gallo “may” be a slightly better scorer? May? The only data point you offer to back that up is that JCraw’s current eFG% is a hair higher, right at this moment. You’re ignoring Crawford’s nearly 700 game career of putting up mediocre at best scoring efficiency numbers, and the fact that Gallo’s career TS% and eFG% are both higher than Crawford has ever posted for a full season. Ever. And we’re talking about a 10+ year vet here who has had plenty of chances.
I can’t take credit for summing it up this neatly, but here you go:
[Gallo’s] 92.4% from the stripe is good for 3rd in the league, he’s 2nd in the league in turnover percentage (6.4%), his offensive rating is good for 7th (126.2), he’s 10th in the league for Offensive Win Shares (1.6) and he’s sporting a TS of .598.
Those numbers make Gallo one of the best offensive players in the NBA—and these are all from a young season in which he surely could have played better, and hopefully will over the next 60ish games. Sure, he’s young and he disappears sometimes, a tendency that is bound to improve with age and experience. Crawford, on the other hand, does not disappear even when he should. We all watched him chuck up bad shot after bad shot for years with no conscience and seemingly no understanding of what even makes a shot good or bad.
And I'm not even going to dignify with a response
The fact-free, and frankly ridiculous, speculation about how this is all D’Antoni’s “fault” (?) and that Gallo wouldn’t start on any other NBA team. Gallo is a tremendous, though imperfect, player right now with enormous potential for growth, who would start on plenty of NBA teams. Crawford is an inefficient chucker on the downside of his career, who is finally flourishing, ironically, in his role off the bench where he belongs. End of story.
@Flossy
Yeah big deal he shoots 92.4% form the stripe. The fucking clown takes a thirty footer with seconds left in a tie game to win the the game. Al we need is one point to win Sunday. But no we get lucky because 92.4 takes a thirty footer and we have to struggle towards a victory in two OT’s.
He is just a baby boy with some talent that playing in a mans league.
Now ask the question. Do we one point to win the game or three from thirty feet when the game is tied.
I cannot wait for the the day when D’Antoni is gone along with us trading Gallinari.
They ar eboth BS.
Ugh
Just stop
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
??????
He was given the ball with seconds to go. He didn’t choose that shot, Felton chose it for him.
And you’re just not going to mention that singlehandedly won us the game in Double OT???
Seriously man, your obsession with Gallinari is verging on the psychotic.
Its done verged a long time ago
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 30, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
He is just a baby boy with some talent that playing in a mans league
This is why you are not taken seriously.
Do we one point to win the game or three from thirty feet when the game is tied
So you really are going to harp on one play? OK, YOUR RIGHT, no one is saying it was a good choice. Whats your point tho…u can find numbers of plays from every “man player” in the NBA and shit on it as a bad choice.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I think the comparison is illogical
And though I do love Jamal, I think he’s a great guy, and fun to watch when he’s on. He also was one of the few players I really liked during that awful, awful stretch. But there is no denying he has a bad shot selection, and is one of the streakiest shooters in the league.
However, you can’t say Jamal was given plenty of chances. He was traded to post-MJ Bulls on Draft Day when the management was terrible and then played there 4 or 5 years. Got traded to the Knicks, when management was AWFUL and played with selfish guys on the tail-end of their careers and only cared about stats. Then he got shipped off to GS in a salary dump move, where once again, awful coaching and players who didnt give a shit.
I was so happy for Jamal when he got traded to a good situation in ATL, where he played great (he was really the only Hawk who showed up in that 2nd round), and now he’s being treated poorly again. Dude was never meant to be a number 1 guy, but was forced to be that in NY.
Yeah see I like Jamal too
He never acted like a whiny, entitled or otherwise selfish person, unlike so many others on those terrible Knicks teams of old.
But I do think he’s had plenty of chances, by which I mean plenty of chances to work on his shot selection and/or improve his defense. And yet he hasn’t… to some extent you can say he’s a victim of circumstances, playing on bad teams for bad coaches etc. but after a decade, you have to wonder why not, as well as why teams that don’t actually suck never tried very hard to pick him up. I think it’s partly because he was and is overpaid, partly because he just doesn’t play a winning brand of basketball.
In any case, he definitely found a good situation in Atl… playing the quick-scoring combo-guard off the bench to spell Joe Johnson role limits his bad habits and emphasizes his good ones.
It still doesn’t change the fact that Jamal Crawford is basically the Al Harrington of 2-guards.
by flossy on Nov 29, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But actually capable of dribbling
One thing that always bothered me about Jamal, is he has, to me, the best handle in the league, and can get anywhere he wants on the floor. I wish he would drive more and shoot the pull-up midrange, or take it to the basket, where he actually is decent at finishing, or at least getting to the line. He could also probably average about 6 apg, because he’s a good passer, and if he did take it to the hole, it’d open up kick-outs or drop-offs for big men
The best handle in the league is overstating it
But yeah, he is definitely a combo guard (and the good, tall kind, not the tiny tweener type). Too bad he mostly used that great handle to dribble pointlessly between his legs for ten seconds at a time.
But if he doesn’t get the contract extension he wants and is willing to come back here for the right price I would welcome him back. He’d be a great 3rd guard for us, could back up Felton and give us a different look at SG when Fields is resting. Just like Al Harrinton is fitting in pretty well in Denver… it can happen. I’m not holding my breath though
Woah
You think he wouldn’t start over Fields? I love Fields…but Jamal could be deadly if he could limit his shot selection to good opportunities and focus on finding his teammates open.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
I'd start Fields over JC
For rebounding and defensive purposes. Jamal could come off the bench and still play significant minutes for a huge scoring punch.
And flossy, I don’t think best handle in the league is overstating it. He can shake anyone. No exaggeration. Maybe not the best-used handle in the league, but no one can stick with him. His behind the back in particular is nasty
Don't get me wrong, he breaks ankles
But the ratio of pointless dribbling to killer moves is not good
i would start crawford and fields
felton and douglas off the bench
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Nah, I'd definitely bring him off the bench
There are already three good scorers in the starting line-up (Amar’e, Gallo and Felton), and Fields is a perfect compliment to them—not a ball-stopper, mostly only takes shots he can hit, rebounds like woah and plays good defense (or tries to). Jamal would be great for the second unit because he brings a scoring mentality and is ball dominant. He would also be our de-facto back-up PG, another reason not to start him at SG. Even though his defense sucks, (for the right price) I’d rather him dribbling around chucking shots running the offense than Toney Douglas. He does have a great handle and can throw a nice pass when he wants. Off the bench, you can live with his so-so shot selection because if he catches a hot hand you win, basically, and if not, at least you’re not depending on him to win, the way the Knicks did.
But yeah, “the right price” is nowhere near $10 million plus per year or anything even close.
i love jamal too
but i’ve been waiting years and years for him to “limit his shot selction” and play smart ball.
he had his shot in 7SOL ball and he couldnt cut it. I think he needs to dribble alot. im not a fan of that and i dont think the basketball gods are either.
actually i think he did quite well in 7SOL
so well that they were able to dump him and jumped at the chance.
I am not a fan of Craw’s style… but a system that forces him into a quick decision may be the best thing for him.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
He was tearing it up here
In his like 10 games or so under MDA. He was averaging like 20 and 5 or something and shooting decently. Had he been on a reasonable contract, they probably would’ve kept him
how the fuck can you ignore what year their in?
Crawford wasn’t the same dude in year three that he is now. Gallo is in year three and easily better then Crawford was in his third year.
You don’t compare a vet to a 3rd year pro. That’s crap.
Crawford is a pure chuck artist anyway. The shots fall, yea and its cute and we all liked it when he was here.
But the ATL game was a good game for him. He has plenty of bad games where he gets 18-20 but chucks up about 25 shots and is largely the most annoying basketball player this side of Al harrington.
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You ignore it because the point was
that Gallo is better than Crawford is now, not better than the ghost of Crawford past. And quite frankly Gallo is better than neither according to the stats alone.
I agree that Crawford took a lot of bad off balanced shots, because he is a scorer more than a shooter. But Gallo who has been relegated to set shooting takes plenty of bad shots on and off balanced himself. Gallo is much better in the role of scorer than he is shooter, meaning that we he is involved in the offense aggressively instead of passively sitting on the arc, he is involved for longer stretches. Otherwise he loses focus.
Why are you so upset that Crawford is better?
Resident Incidental General Manager at Knicks Fanatics Blog
How can I be upset over something that's not true?
you’re comparing a PG to a SF..first of all. And Gallo’s averaged more points and boards in his third year, which in case you forgot is only 17 games strong.
You’re trying to make a conclusion over something that is in no single way complete nor on the verge of even close to being true.
You also neglect the salary aspect of it which in itself makes this one a laugher in Gallo’s favor.
You don’t compare 3rd year players to 10 year pros either. Its just pure crap.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 28, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad you're not the GM
Trading Crawford allowed us to get under the cap for a chance at LeBron and eventually Amar’e and Turiaf and Felton. Gallo plays a different position. The question is would we rather have Crawford in our guard rotation than any of the guys we have now.
Crawford’s a combo guard, can play a little point but basically not a point guard. Would I rather have him than Toney Douglas or Landry Fields? Well, offensively, probably… but factoring in defense and rebounding, I’d say no. And in two years? Probably definitely not.
Hey, I liked Jamal too. Why not just say “I miss that guy and I’m pissed Gallo had a shitty game” instead of making som weird comparison?
a number of things...
I’m not sure where you get that different position thing Lord Smackington.
I have heard talk hear on P&T and maybe one other blog about the possibility of Gallinari playing the 2 and wondering how effective he’d be there but I have never ever, ever seen Gallinari play the two guard position.
I could be wrong but I haven’t seen it. I’ve seen him D up on other two’s off of the switch or in order to get additional length in front of an especially good jump shooter but to actually call him a “2” based on that would be sanctioning the right to call Jarred Jefferies a “2” as well, and then what kind of world would we live in?
As for the MJ remark I meant only to say, lets not make Jamal out to be something he wasn’t. He was a good guy, tons of talent but he was not our savior then and would not be at this point.
I still don’t get the comparison because I still don’t see how they play the same position and even if that were true, we didn’t get rid of one in favor of the other. We got rid of Craw cause he got to expensive.
Also if we’re even comparing these two (which is not fair by any means) why are we not also accounting for things like rebounding, passing and defense…things which Gallinari has been better at than Crawford from day one?
I don’t think Gallo is as clutch as Crawford but again, why are we comparing them?
You spent an inordinate amount of time responding and explaining the difference between Gallo’s yr 3 advanced bullshit stats and Craws yr 3 advanced bullshit stats and none of the bullshit matters because Gallo hasn’t even finished out his 3rd yr!?!
I have no delusions about either player and the fact is they are both role players at this point but I’ll give more credit and value to Gallinari because after 10 yrs in the league Jamal has the talent to do bigger and greater things but has not done them yet. Gallo looks to be going the same route but with one major difference…he still has time to develop. Craw is what he is.
ATL more talent than us…that is why Crawford is their 6th man instead of a second scoring option. We here in NY don’t have the same options the Hawks do. So over here, Gallo is our second option because who else is better suited for that role given our make up???
For you to say there is no possible way Gallo can be better or equal to Craw and refute all opinion to the contrary must mean you are a time traveler from the future or miss cleo because there’s no other way for you to compare two players a decade apart and say with certainty you can foresee how both will end up.
You had some great ideas and thoughts in your Amare post so I know you can be rational but this is not along those lines IMO.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
if he was a time traveler
and was wasting his knowledge of the future here on P&T must mean that in the future, this site will be a major contributor to world news and events. Is Seth secretly planning world domination?
Do you know what time it is Pinky?
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
People see what they want to see...
Jamal Crawford is better than Gallo RIGHT NOW!! Why, because he has the EXPERIENCE of knowing to take his shots when he is hot and knowing how to play within the offense when he is not. Gallo doesn’t have a short or midrange shot yet. At least not consistently. Crawford knows how to take the ball to the hoop for floaters and teardrops. The numbers are really irrelevant, but only show who is playing better right now. Crawford is. I didn’t like giving up Crawford. But, once Walsh made the salary dump his plan, it was all or nothing. You can tell that people are emotional when you hear Crawford sucks, and he is a chucker. He is a jump shooter. Chuckers miss a lot of shots and make only a small percentage. If Crawford is a chucker, so is Reggie Miller, Bird and and all the other jump shooters. Sorry IGMKNICKS, but most fans didn’t play much Basketball. Gallo may become better, but he isn’t ready yet.
Unfortunately, I've only been able to monitor the responses
the last couple of days, but I am happy to see so few people weigh in on a topic a couple said they didn’t understand.
For now, I am writing because GaGa71 has one of the best responses period. +1
Lord Smackington, when I get a chance, we can discuss why you’re wrong about Gallo at the 2 even if you were strict about what a 2 does in the SSOL offense. Gallo has played the 2 on both offense and defense or fulfills the exact same role, because the 2 and 3 do many of the same things in SSOL.
Glad for all the weigh ins. I agree that Gallo can eventually be better. Not likely here.
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Sorry Bro
Gaga’s reasoning holds absolutely no water. I cant believe I even need to argue that Larry Fucking Bird and and Reggie Miller aren’t in the same stratosphere as Jamal Crawford, but Bird and Reggie shot 49% and 47% respectively for their careers. Discount last year, and Crawford is under 40%. Its really not even close and if you’re citing that as “one of the best responses” then I think the book is just about shut on this one. Jamal Crawford, based on purely statistical analysis, sucks.
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not arguing who is better
because like I said, Jamal is 10 yrs deep in the game. I expect Jamal to be better or else sumthin is very wrong.
However…
using Gallo’s 3rd yr stats and Craws 3rd yr stats to enhance your argument screams of bias because not only are we looking at a bunch of cherry picked offensive stats but Gallinari has not even finished his 3rd year. And have you adjusted whatever numbers your looking at to account for Gallinari’s 1st yr injury? I’m willing to bet you haven’t and really if you want an accurate depiction you really need to calculate things for an equivalent number of games to get a better depiction. And even then, even if the stats hands down said Gallo was better than Craw by a landslide, I’d still think comparing the two would be pointless.
like I said before… if the fact that positions aren’t really important in Dantoni’s system is what qualifies Gallo as a 2, then Jefferies could be considered a 2 and Turiaf a 1 and etc, etc…
If you subscribe to that theory cool, but I don’t buy it. I’ll offer you the opportunity to convince me though. Like I said, your previous post had some logic to it that I enjoyed but comparing these individuals really doesn’t make much sense.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
forgot to mention
because the 2 and 3 do many of the same things in SSOL.
this could be said of any offense in general, the very nature of the two positions tread on alot of commonalities from scheme to scheme.
Before Dantoni utilized 7 seconds or less there were hybird players playing multiple positions, Anthony Mason for example.
I get the fact that in Pringles system Craw and Gallo were asked to do some of the same things and thus on the floor positional labels are sometimes irrelevant
but…there is such a thing as a natural position based on body type and skill. It is for this reason that even though a player as diverse as Michael Jordan was able to post up, rebound, and defend taller players, he still was never called a center. A forward yeah but can’t forwards and centers be called upon to do the same things in the flow of a game…so why isnt MJ a center?
Are you going to compare Gallinari to John Stockton next because he has the ability to play “point forward”???
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Smack
You got the point pretty darn well, so I won’t respond to your rhetorical question. You just explained the point why the comparison of Gallo and Crawford was a legit point. I had a feeling you knew that and understood the SSOL offense enough to know that D’Antoni felt Craw was expendable since it was felt Gallo could do much the same things in the offense with more accuracy and better passing. Seems that after three years folks have conveniently forgotten that Gallo was the reason we were not supposed to feel bad about losing all of our guards (except for Nate and Cuttino Mobley LOL) when we dumped Craw. Sure cap space was at issue and Walsh panicked to dump Randolph and Craw for little of nothing instead of building their value, but you do remember that Walsh kept telling us he was building a winner and Gallo was being sold as a main part of that immediately.
You know what’s up. I’ve been reading you for a couple of years, so I know you know. (Are you going to compare Stockton and Craw because they both could play for the Knicks again one day? LOL)
(And I won’t be so crass as to mention that Craw went 3-11 against the Nets last night, if you don’t call him a chucker instead of a pure shooter)
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it makes more sense to me
that he chose to keep Richardson instead of Craw, not Gallinari. Because we’re looking at positions and their obvious involvement in this debate Richardson is a much better subject to compare against Crawford. If you were comparing similar type players and wanted to include Gallinari, Harrington is a much more comparable player than Crawford.
And again…even if you were to compare Harrington and Gallinari(which I know your not doing) they are a decade apart as well. It’s really not fair to say you can predict the future and tell exactly how much a 3rd yr player can or won’t excel in comparison to an aged vets nearing the end of their careers.
NBA execs can’t even do that, Portland along with numerous analysts predicted Oden as the best thing since Kareem, we all know how that played out and now I’ll bet some of the same people are calling him a bust and predicting his demise…which is very likely, but there is also the possibility that he’ll come back healthy and stay healthy enough to become a contributor.
Point is, as adamant as you are…you really don’t know if Gallo will be better or not. GM’s don’t know either, you can take an educated guess and make bold declarative statements based on them, but in the end they’re still just guesses. Sometimes they pan out and folks look like geniuses other times they fail and at worst, execs’ll get fired while overzealous reporters and fans look like idiots.
Likewise, you think focusing on Gallinari as a cornerstone is a mistake. I won’t argue that, even though I feel it’s too early to even think about and am not entirely sure that is what their plan was to begin with.
However much like I was trying to demonstrate with my MJ remark earlier…Crawford was not the savior either, still isn’t. Whatever you think of Gallinari, Crawford is not a strong enough player to be the foundation on which you build a team around. No matter who they got rid of Jamal for his time was up. He cost too much. Are you going to tell me they should have cut Gallinari and pay Crawford whatever he’d fetch in the open market? IDK, you tell me what you would have done?
I like Crawford and his game, I personally think he’d do some damage with the way this team is constructed and the system we run. It just seems like you started this thread already a Crawford fan, and already not loving Gallinari’s play and decided to cobble together an idea to debate without wanting to hear, acknowledge or even consider other possibilities.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Check the Poll
I guess most folks agree that Gallo is NOT better.
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Put a 4th option...he will be soon.
I don’t know if he will be better this season, but I’m confident he will have a better career than Crawford.
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Jamal Crawford is one of my least favorite players of all time
Really hate him as a ball player.
Nice guy. Really feel he is a quality human being.
But man, worst kind of ball player. I am not reading this post, I am sure you guys have covered the fail in this enough already.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
+1
Absence makes the delusional grow fonder… or something
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 28, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
From his 3rd year in the league
which is the first year he got real minutes, until he was traded to the Hawks, Jamal Crawford never shot better than 41% from the field, nor better than 36% from three. He didn’t do anything else other than score (inefficiently) and his defense was abhorrent. If you’re remembering the good ole days when Crawford was good for the Knicks, you’re straight up delusional, because those years never existed. If you want to isolate his numbers from 1 season in which he was backup to a top 5sg, then yea, sure whatever. But up until then he was straight garbage.
Gallo’s season last year was better than any of Crawford’s first 9 seasons. I don’t know why you even made the comparison in the first place, but the answer to your question is “last year”.
And I like what you did there with the “-2”. It’s like you totally subtracted my point and Gbaked’s point so that now we’re back to nothing.
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 28, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, Crawford is what, 6-4? and Gallo is 6-10
they both play different positions too. I don’t understand the comparison
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If you want to use advanced stats, you can't cherry pick
Based on PER, Gallinari is more productive than Crawford this year. Based on Win Shares, he contributes more to winning than Crawford does, and his win shares per 48 minutes is higher than Crawford’s ever was.
I agree.
I’m sure if PER was a definitive measure of who is the better player overall (as well as perminute of productivity) we could end all arguments here. Certainly, PER would tell us that Gallo ranked at 73 is way better than Craw at 110. It would also allow us to closed the book on the issue of whether Gallo is better than the other players below him in PER such as Al Jefferson, Ray Allen, David Lee, Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, Emeka Okafor, J.R. Smith, Stephen Jackson and Richard Jefferson.
Unfortunately for those looking for the one stat that proves Gallo’s clear superiority over anyone, Hollinger is clear that PER is not the end all, be all tool. It’s just something (a summary) to make the argument a little more interesting. And I quote from Hollinger:
“Bear in mind that PER is not the final, once-and-for-all evaluation of a player’s accomplishments during the season. This is especially true for defensive specialists — such as Quinton Ross and Jason Collins — who don’t get many blocks or steals.
What PER can do, however, is summarize a player’s statistical accomplishments in a single number. That allows us to unify the disparate data on each player we try to track in our heads (e.g., Corey Maggette: free-throw machine, good rebounder, decent shooter, poor passer, etc.) so that we can move on to evaluating what might be missing from the stats."
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Of course, I meant I agree, you can't cherry pick.
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I'll quickly jump in here...
This whole post is just incomprehensible. From premise to execution to your attitude in the comments.
First of all, what person is actively wondering when Gallinari is going to be better than Jamal Crawford? Are there people up nights thinking about this question? Who are they?
Second of all, many commenters have made it clear that Gallinari is already better and he’s 22! You can cherry pick some advanced stats, but the broader view supports the view that Gallo is way more advanced. It’s so bizarre to me that you’re jumping on here to make this point after Gallo’s run of great play (one game against ATL excepted) in the last couple of weeks.
Third of all, and most important, it seems clear that you were jonesing for a some kind of weird argument from word one. Your tone in the comments is obnoxious as hell and I can’t understand why. We’re all Knicks fans right?
To recap. Your post is not about anything that anyone thinks about ever, your post is wrong, and you’re being a jerk while doing it. A+ work.
by riise on Nov 29, 2010 1:40 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
You Think So!
Well, Mr. Riise, I would say by the rise this post got out of you and the other commenters somebody is thinking about it so I’m not sure what to tell you there.
Second it was comprehensible enough for you to respond. Not sure I need to say anything about that either.
Third, I am pleased to read that your commenters made their and your points, but I feel real confident that the tone of my responses matches the tone of comments that began with “idea with too much fail,” "stop hating,: “a bit reactionary don’t you think,” “you are insane,” “How the fuck can you ignore what year they’re in” and now “you’re being a jerk.” When people have dribbled, I’ve dribbled less (of course there was less to dribble about). When advanced stats have been used I was respectful enough to respond with the ignored stats. When responses have been wrong (including your comment riise), I have said they were wrong.
Yes, I can imagine my comments seem obnoxious from the point of view that I will state my point of view, not cower under personal attack and still enjoy the debate.
To recap, I didn’t think much of your post but I wanted to be respectful to the fact that you responded and point out the irony in you using your time to call me a “jerk” and post about something (Gallinari v. Crawford) you say you don’t understand or care about.
Allow me to apologize in advance if that was obnoxious.
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Yes, the pot looking to call the kettle black is irony.
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Yea, I know, He meant comprehendible. We all make mistakes.
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"incomprehendible" isn't a word
“incomprehensible” is the word for not comprehending something. we all make mistakes.
I never said you meant incomprehendible.
I wrote what I meant you meant: “comprehendible” which is a word. Clearly, it was comprehendible enough for you to respond. That was irony too, wasn’t it?
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Jamal Crawford is better than Gallo...
sometimes when Crawford is hot, i mean really, really on fire lightin up the other team like he did the Heat that 1 time hot that’s about it….Which comes what 2-3 times a year I’ll say he is better than Gallo.
Other than that probably the worst defensive 1 or 2 in the L amongst the league worst decision makers and a very bad teammate to have not due to his personality but due to his ridiculous overdribbling of the roundball…I mean the man can have the ball for 24 seconds literally dribbling get nowhere and take the same exact shot he could’ve taken 22 seconds before but he never does he just dribbles and dribbbles and dribbbbles its so fuckin annoying.
Gallinari is not a true go to guy yet and may never become that guy but he’ll make a good 2nd or 3rd scoring option on any team and give me a break with his bad shooting numbers 15 games into the season, but if we’re gonna look at numbers here they are: He’s shooting 43% in Nov and 39% from 3 and 92% from the FT…The 3 and FT are pretty good the FG% can use some work
Crawford is averaging what 14PPG Gallo 16PPG
But Crawford is doing it in 29 mins compared to Gallo’s 33
Crawford also has to take 10.5 FG attempts to Gallo’s 10.3 FG attempts
So Gallo plays about 5 more mins per game than Jamal and he takes the same amount of shots averages less TO’s by a significant amount shoots a ridiculous number from the line, I’d like to conclude by asking…
JUST WHAT EXACTLY MAKES CRAWFORD BETTER THAN GALLO?
I just think you can’t take the fact that you’ve been proven wrong by about 20 some odd people in here that’s the only reason you keep on arguing this matter.
I was @ the Garden for this game and this was just one of those Jamal games where he couldn’t miss. We all remember those good times with him in the orange and blue, but the truth is he’s always been a crazy streaky player and shooter. Gallo has shown that he can be maddeningly streaky too (Exhibit A: the second OT of the Pistons game), but he’s still just 22 and at the beginning of his career, while Crawford is in the twilight.
Gallo will be better eventually, it just happened that he had an awful game on Saturday against a good Hawks defense.
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Nov 29, 2010 8:50 AM EST reply actions
Yea…
I’m not too sure why the two are being compared either….two different positions, two different styles….however, at the end of the day IMO, I would rather have Jamal than gallo on the Knicks.
if Crawford made 1/2 of what he makes
and was set in a roll of 6th man playing 25-30minutes a game..he’s an asset.
If he played as many minutes as Gallo, Crawford is a liabilty.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 29, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Should we really be comparing a coached up veteran
to a 21-year old?
That seems ill-advised.
by Ten Ton Hammer on Nov 29, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions
This post does not make sense
Gallinari is essentially a second year player he missed all but 28 games of his rookie campaign with the back injury, and he is 18 games into this one. Nor was Crawford traded in favor of Gallinari, Gallinari was hurt and not even active when the trade was made. Crawford was traded because he had an overvalued contract for what he gives you. Post like this make me wonder if Isaiah Thomas has agents who come on this site or if he does it himself. Consider this for all of Jamal Crawford’s greatness how did he benefit the Knicks? During his las three full seasons in a Knick uniform the Knicks won an average of 26 games a year. And while that was not all his fault he was a major factor in that given that he started most of that time and played like 35 minutes a night. I am sorry, I do not care if Gallo turns out to be the biggest bust this side of Mel Turpin, he is not costing the Knicks an average salary of 10 mil a year to lose 56 games a year. Crawford should have been dealt. That he is in Atlanta is great for him, he can come off the bench and score, and when his chucking and terrible defense are hurting his team, he gets to sit his ass next to the coach on the bench as it should be. Nothing Personal guy, but I lose it when anybody suggests that we should have kept the players Isaiah brought in an overpaid, like that would have made us a playoff team already, when all that made us was a joke!!!!!
by Robert Currence on Nov 29, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions
all i know
i hope we sign crawford this coming offseason
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That is fine
As long as Crawford comes off the bench plays about 20 minutes a night and no more than we’re good. But if Crawford is playing 35-40 minutes a night and chucking up 20-25 shots a game, then we will have taken a step back. Crawford is in a perfect role for him designated scorer off the bench. Play him more when he’s hot, play him less when he’s not. However, the idea that we traded Crawford in favor of Gallo in BS. If this was a real post the comparision should be When will Gallo be as good as Quentin Richardson and Jared Jeffries, since it is Richardson’s/Jeffries position that Gallo assumed after he was traded. But Oh yeah Gallo is already better than Richardson and Jeffries, so the revisionist BS won’t fly.
by Robert Currence on Nov 29, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
well...
i would like it if crawford came in and played the point guard. low thirties minutes a night. on a short and reasonable contract. he could terrorize the league with stat on the pick and roll. and he would absolutely hit the roller. no doubt about it.
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Agreed!
He has potential to be a great passer. I personally have been of the opinion that if we strike out on Melo somehow, and if Felton proves to be the PG we need, use our cap space to sign Tyson Chandler and Crawford
if you said marc gasol and crawford
i would have agreed with you.
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I don't know Marc Gasol's game too well
But he seems like he wouldn’t fit in with a run and gun team. He is better than Chandler offensively, but Chandler can run and anchor defense
g-g-g-g-get familiar
legit 7-footer, moves well, passes well. shoots a high %, can actually anchor a defense, unlike wilson chandler, who can only help out, especially off the weak side or on rotations. grabs a ton of rebounds. thats what we need. he’s like tyson chandler if tyson chandler was any good.
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"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Chandler thus far is actually having a pretty solid year
And he was great on those NOLA teams a few years ago. He is injury prone, and somewhat inconsistent, but he could potentially thrive in this system
I think he'll cost too much
But really as a “fallback” option to you know who (God Shamgod for those that don’t), He’s a combo guard who could probably be very solid off the bench as a backup PG. He was always excellent at feeding the post…Eddy Curry’s one good year is a testament to that (and when Jamal was injured..further proof cuz they couldn’t get him the ball..ever)
I think Mal is getting some nice experience actually winning games in ATL. I’m not gonna wish for it, but I actually wouldn’t hate it.
I’d love for there to be some incentives in his contract for assist numbers and taking under 12 shots a game too…but that’s probably asking too much.
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incentives for assists i agree with
incentives against taking shots i disagree with. but eddy and jamal had that esp on the pick and roll and would have 2 alley oops a game it seemed. and contrary to the way he was maligned by the media, he seems to be very coachable and a team player.
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crawford is a diff player. albeit better right now, and has a huge experience advantage.
But how bout give a fair comparison..instead of listing crawfords positives vs gallos negatives. Homer move.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Gallinari/Crawford
Comparing these two guys is a joke.
I will say that Crawford knows his role as a solid shooter coming off the bench.
Yes he wants to be a starter however, His defense is marginal to be awarded a starting position.
Joe Johnson is the starter and very good defender for Atlanta.
In regards to Gallinari he believes he is Euro/NBA starter and should be in the same position as Crawford coming off the bench as a shooter from the three spot.
Starting W.Chnadler whom is one of our best defenders at the three first and having Gallinari coming off the bench because just like Crawford they both can shoot and play very little defense.
So the comparison is the same that both asgood shooters to come in off the bench.
Both are bench players also because they both play terriible defense.
Both teams have players Johnson/Chandler at their positons of the two and three that play defense and can score.
The only difference between Crawford/Gallinari is one is a two and the other is a thre.
So wait, "comparing these two guys is a joke,"
But
The only difference between Crawford/Gallinari is one is a two and the other is a thre?
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 29, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's just...
really baffling. And sort of scary.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 29, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
i think he forgot to add the hate to that last sentence.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I read that too
I don’t think Walsh has Jamal on his radar though, unless things don’t work out well this offseason. However, I would like to see him return
Why did I read this entire post and comment section.
I wonder what targets IGM and dz would have picked if they’d posted here during the Isiah-era.
Hype is the Meaning of this Debate.
Gallo has been HYPED up since the day he was selected in the draft. He has been compared to Hall of Fame-ers since day one. I’ve been saying this from day one, This is NEW YORK people!! We have a large population of people who are emotionally attached to the idea of a Italian Dirk Nowhatshisname leading the Knicks to the promise land. I laughed myself silly when sombody posted a blog last month about Gallo being a Unicorn. A mythic beast thought to exist near the Hudson River. I think Gallo will be an Allstar some day, but many of you think he is there already. Mr. Spock would say you are being irrational. I’d ratherGallo start for now because we need the potential energy created by all the HYPE about his shooting. He hit a lot of three’s last season, but is struggling overall this season. But, SOON he will be forced to live up to all the HYPE that the “Gallo can’t do no wrong” population are forcing down our throats. I hope he steps up to the plate. I can’t wait to read the blogs at the end of this season. Either Gallo will play well and the Knicks will be serious contenders in the east as a 5th or 6th seed or we will stumble as a 8th at best. Or worse not make the playoffs. Then the large population of “Gallo Immortalists Now” people will look like idiots. And then they will regret and forget their folly.
i really wanted to read that
but too much in a small space.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I don't think its the space
its just trying to read it when its all the way up on his high horse..its so small
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Just kinda curious
Isn’t Gallo vs. Eric Gordon a more interesting question, since we had the chance to select either and gambled on the Euro guy?
Gallo, as a 3-4, isn’t much of a rebounder, but Eric, as a 1-2, is kind of a good passer even on the PnR, which would be pretty useful right about now. Of course we didn’t know at the time we’d get STAT, but we did have D Lee, who is also a great dive man on the PnR. So a sweet passing, good shooting 2 would have been a good pickup.
Plus Eric developed a will to dominate much quicker than Gallo, which seems to be characteristic of Euro players. Even arguably the best Euro payer ever, Dirk, took a looong time to figure out that when you are that good, you have to bring it every night and be prepared to carry a team.
Of course this really is only Gallo’s 2nd year, as his first year was a washout due to injury. Jury is very much still out on him and his will to be good.
And he really needs to work out in the US this summer, not in Europe, ‘cuz it doesn’t really seem to have helped him prep for the NBA game much. He’s added nothing to his game over the summer, methinks.
And he really needs to work out in the US this summer, not in Europe, ‘cuz it doesn’t really seem to have helped him prep for the NBA game much. He’s added nothing to his game over the summer, methinks.
Critical, critical point. He did a lot of good will work including traveling to Africa for Basketball Without Borders. Great stuff and nice kid. He was also resting his back a bit, but he has added nothing to his game. He needs a mid-range and a pull-up jumper and he needs to drop that awkward fade away. If he’s with the Knicks in July, send him to Chicago to work with Tim, Michael, Derrick, Quentin and Wade. He needs to get more game.
Resident Incidental General Manager at Knicks Fanatics Blog
Alright Fanboys.
Why is it that even before I click on this fanpost I know what I’m going to see. Another argumentative thread. You all need to chill out. If you don’t agree with somones opinion do not insult them for it. Don’t be a flamer, dont be an asshole. Statistics never justify an opinion, nor do they dissaprove somone elses. It’s always the same people getting into these types of arguments, and we call ourselves Knick Fans? You all have fun hating on eachother about “who has nicer hair” or “who can be the GOAT in 90 years”. I’m simply going to enjoy my Knicks, Stop the arguing, you sound like gaming fanboys, “my ps3 is better then your 360”.
Stay Classy
Easy Breezy, Off the Heezy, by Weel the threel!
A matter of opinion on what type of hair you favor but,
you can’t deny Gallo is more likely to be a hair and hand model than Jamal.
Resident Incidental General Manager at Knicks Fanatics Blog
Wait, why are you commenting on the thread again?
Dude posed a question and people are answering it with their opinion and backing it with statistical evidence. If you’re so turned off by that… the internet door is on your left
And statistics never justify an opinion? Really?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 30, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yo I'm leading my apartment building
in SCR (Scalpular Coverage Rating). Better recognize…
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 1, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
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