Monday Culpeos
You're gonna have to jump for them.
- The culpeo is a big, guilty, fox-like doggy that roams around South America eating critters. There is also a weird, extinct, domesticated type of culpeo that's pretty interesting.
- Our friends at Knickerblogger are hosting a "Top 25 Favorite Knicks of the Modern Era" vote. They're looking for favorites, not All-Stars, so I demand that you all go vote for Jackie Butler.
- Meanwhile, our friends at Knicks Vision just unveiled a new site design, and it looks pretty spiffy. Not sure why it's all blue and orange, though.
- This is days old, but the wise John Schuhmann shows us how the Knicks' winning ways have been the product of improved offense.
- I am really, really, really depressed that the FreeDarko event at The Strand didn't happen while I was home for Thanksgiving. It's tomorrow, Will Leitch is moderating, and I highly recommend that you find a way to attend if you're in the area. Here's Will's take on the book and the event page for the discussion.
- The folks at Nets Daily weren't particularly impressed with MSG's TV ads for the Knicks-Nets game on Tuesday. I have to agree. I've found the commercials for upcoming ads to be smug, needlessly haughty, and kind of embarrassing.
- I feel bad for sorta dismissing Anthony Randolph's stint in yesterday's recap. Thankfully, Tommy Dee took a closer look at AR's minutes.
- You might get a little dizzy reading this, but Steve Adamek's point is sound: Winning games against beatable teams is very, very, very important.
- Finally, this is a sweet, sweet line by Josh Alper:
A year ago, wins were treated like stumbling across animals that were thought to be on the brink of extinction. You didn't nitpick the way they smelled or the fact that there really isn't anything particularly impressive about the song of the green-backed whipporwhill, you just appreciated their existence and hoped that you'd come across more of them in the future.
True. Have splendid afternoons, friends.
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I def agree
about the Knicks-Nets advertisement….it was kinda like “Huh? Really”? and very unnecessary….
eh
all these commercials come across as what ESPN thinks NYers would sound like.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Culpeos... Sounds like a pokemon name.
And awkwardly looks likes one as well.
One of the cutest and best pokemon ever.
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Does anyone here really want a rivalry with the Nets?
I have no real qualms with NJ, so I’d rather pass or re-ignite one of the Knicks’ rivalries from the 90s.
The Heat, and probably the Bulls are out of our reach, but the Pacers look to be around .500 and if you squint really hard and ignore the hair, Danny Granger looks like Reggie Miller.
The Heat, Pacers, and Bulls have been on My List since the 90's. I've taken small solace in their struggles this decade as we've stumbled and bumbled ourselves.
But now that we’re on the way back? Fuck those guys. Recent developments just make it easier to hate the Heat, but still fuck those guys.
And Danny Granger=Reggie? Danny Granger’s head alone would beat up ten and a half Reggie Millers.
i hated reggie miller more...
…than i hated the pacers. but that year they made it to the finals, (the year after our last finals appearance) i was kinda rooting for them. because i can’t stand phil jackson.
as far as rivalries go, i will always hate the miami heat. more so than the bulls. mostly because of pj brown. …and tim hardaway… and slimeball d-bag of the millenium Pat Riley.
knicks vs bulls matchups were just fun to watch because you literally had to flip a coin to guess who’d win a game.
yea i got no real issues with jersey
i hated the kidd-era, but thats because i hate jason kidd. and i also happen to despise devin harris and brook lopez. and i also hated shawn bradley. but i always liked kenny anderson. and kerry kittles was fun. i dunno… i don’t hate jersey. i thought those commercials were very tacky tho.
on the other side of things- i do hate the pacers. oh man i will never be able to get over my hatred for that team! never!
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Funny I don't hate anyone quite so much anymore.
The Heat , Bulls, and Pacers were sacrilegious growing up but we have had such personal trouble in the past decade, I focused on our development (or lack there of). Couldn’t blame anyone for our loses but us. All my anger subsided when Reggie Miller and Alonzo Mourning were gone…… but I still hate Tim Hardaway!!!! I can’t be mad at Jersey. They’re like children now! I guess if anyone, it’s the Heat & those 3 Jerk offs I’d like to destroy, now. Even that is not so intense since they seem to be sputtering on their own.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
You know I was thinking the other day that Felton is playing at the level of a Miami-era Tim Hardaway
and then I slapped myself.
Kittles and Cassell
The ultimate NBA All-Ugly first team back court.
Popeye Jones and Ike Austin round out the starting 5. Nastay!
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I share your hatreds
I too hate Jason Kidd and his hateful bald head. I despise the grotesque Brook Lopez, his size offends me as well as the stupid look he has on his idiot face. Shawn Bradley belongs in the moron Hall of Fame, ditto on your hatred there.
I love the Knicks twice as much as you so piss off.
Out of NJ,MIA,CHI, and IND...
New jersey is the last team I would want a rivalry with. No one cares about the Nets. I want Miami and the Bulls more than anything. The Nets will be the Clippers when they move to BK and we’ll be the Lakers. The Lakers don’t even care about the Clippers, it’s a shame we can’t do the same with the Nets but a rivalry is a rivalry and I’ll be sure to entertain any involving the Knicks. Rivalries are one of the best parts of sports.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 29, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Nets are like a local rivalry
I wanna beat them like they’re our younger brothers and say we’re still better than you" (even though they’ve had far more success the past decade).
I could see our games with the Pacers getting pretty intense. But I think there’s one brewing this season already… Milwaukee. True, we got wrecked by them earlier this season, but there was all that booing Amare stuff, and the Bogut injury, and Amare approaching Skiles and the Bucks’ bench. I think that has potential to get rough and tough. I hope so too, cause I HATE Jennings. And Delfino too
Dolan obviously cares about the Nets; hence, the p.r. pushback against the Nets
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I know Dolan cares.
But personally I don’t really care but im being forced to. I can’t ignore a rivalry that y team of choice is involved in. As I said, i’d much rather have a rivalry with the other teams above but i’ll entertain any rivalry that the Knicks are involved with no matter what.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
but no one cares about Dolan
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I was a fan
of Kidd’s and VC’s until they came to NJ…then I didn’t like the Kidd-Kmart-Jefferson-VC era…they always seemed to have this arrogance like they won something…I know they went to the Finals twice, but they seemed to act as if they were champs…
?
I didn’t know this was possible. Vince Carter is a nice guy with infinite swag. He’s one of my favorite basketball players period.
Really?
I think of him as a whiny choke artist… not even the best baller in his own family
I guess I have different ideals when it comes to NBA players
I barely ever think about ‘toughness’ or any of that stuff. Vince Carter is strong mentally, so he hits game winning shots. That’s enough toughness for me.
but I mainly like him for his entertainment value. He’s the best dunker of all-time IMO, owner of the best dunk in history, and he hits shots that only him and Kobe Bryant can hit (ridiculous range). I love to watch him play. Even now.
best dunk in history (not the dunk over Weis. This is from the dunk contest)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVC3yBHjNvo
Vince Carter breaking people’s hearts: (#1 is one of my favorite plays ever)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHGhv11jRho
eh
I expect it’s what I call the Tom Brady effect…I hate Tom Brady, I can’t call him a bum because that would be Dizzy-esque and allowing my personal bias to effect my good common sense.
The guy is a talented QB and so I respect him for his ability but hate him for his bitchassness, whining and throwing a tantrum every time he gets helmet hair or a defender brushes against his fanny pack during the pass rush.
same with Jordan…immense respect/personal deep seeded loathing.
Not to put VC in that class at all. He’s nowhere near Jordan, in fact I don’t think he’s even worthy to walk in Starks shoes but the guy was once a sick dunker and he still has some talent…but he is immensely annoying
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
as if on schedule
Tom Brady’s bitch-ass is now endorsing UGGS
bitchassness.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think VC could take Tmac one on one!
Most definitely now and I’m pretty sure in their prime.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
Definitely now
But in their primes… I’ll take T-Mac. That guy was so elusive off the dribble and his head fakes and hesitations were nasty.
T-Mac in his prime >>> Carter in his prime
I loved T-Mac… seeing him suck it up last year for the Knicks was so sad ‘cause I’d have given my left nut to get McGrady in orange and blue just a few years ago.
Vince Carter is a tool.
he started his career off for the Raptors
he’s the Barsh of a different era. Nuff said.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
"fk yo couch nicca!!"
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Vince Carter
is one of my least favorite “stars”. He’s just SO SOFT
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
charmin cottonelle
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Carter didn't make the Finals with them
Did he? Pretty sure the ECF last season was the furthest he’d ever been
true
but your sig is wrong…the Knicks have ten times the marketability and exposure within the NBA as the Nets. Its not really a mark of their skill or success the last few years; just a product of the Knicks being in NY (one of the most well known cities in the world) and the Nets being in Jersey, the unwanted stepkid of NY.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
I respectfully
resent that comment being from Jersey! I’d be angrier, but now I know about the MMA skills! LOL I don’t ever want to have to answer the phrase, “Tap out, son!”
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
haha don't worry, I don't totally hate the state
I live in NJ now…its not that bad, but I can’t wait to finish school and move back to the city
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
NJ is actually quite nice
I live there myself. But I totally agree about the sports comment
Well how about the last 60 years?
answer that loooser!
I love the Knicks twice as much as you so piss off.
lol..
every time I get linked to a Nets Daily page, I am always baffled at how obsessive the fans are over the Knicks. It’s especially silly since we Knicks fans never really say anything bad about the Nets on our site, and yet their site is filled with Knick hate.
And then they say they could care less about us and that they don't want to be us ( responding to the commercial that aired on MSG)
Funny how they say they dont want to be us but they want to dethrone us as the King team of NYC. lol Wanting to take our place is wanting to be us NETS FANS! Unless you’re fine with being the baby brother no one gives a crap about. Knicks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nets. MSG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Barclay. PERIOD.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 29, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
MSG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barclay. dont know what happened there.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 29, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
well...
I think the MSG renovations are kind of motivated by the building of the Barclay’s Center. The MSG people probably didn’t want to be upstaged in terms of arena quality (niceness), which would have happened if the renovations were not launched.
sorry for the flurry of comments
but I liken the MSG vs. Barclay’s Center comparison to the Yankee Stadium vs. Citi Field comparison. The Yankees are obviously the higher quality and more historically significant organization (and I am a Mets fan). They would not allow Citi Field to be nicer than their stadium. Plain and simple. It’s just the way how things work.
nah i'm just being a pain in the ass
don’t take me seriously
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eff u man!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
You can't be serious...
I’m sure barclays will be a nice shiny stadium and all but it cannot dethrone MSG. Never going to happen. You’ll be lucky if barclays is more prestigious than Radio City Music Hall. To think that Barclays will become more prestigious than MSG is nonsense. We’re talking about one of the top arena’s in the world, THEE top arena in basketball, you can’t just build a stadium in NY and expect to overthrow something that has so much history with something that has no history at all and with a team that no one cares about. That’s me being brutally honest. You’re Luigi to our Mario, which is why we pay so little attention to you guys.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
that would be something
You’ll be lucky if barclays is more prestigious than Radio City Music Hall.
because Radio City Music Hall is quite prestigious.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
i’m trying to get an internship there…hopefully ill experience barclays…but seriously, the arena should be pretty nice. i’m from brooklyn, so I kinda wish there wasn’t a rivalry between the two teams because I would root for the Nets to win against teams that aren’t the Knicks as long as we beat you guys in the division sans rivalry
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
I have experienced Barclays in my mind
and it sucks.
I love the Knicks twice as much as you so piss off.
lol
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
yea
I stopped even going there just to check up on how they’re doing cuz of it. We’re like the Miami Heat and they’re Cleveland..for some odd reason.
I don’t see the Jets or Mets doing this unless the other team is specifically brought up. The Nets fans over there seem to go out of their way to badmouth the Knicks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
That is hilarious!
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
It's bizarre. Very totalitarian over in that neck of the woods.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 29, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks, uhh Nets Daily
is kinda bizzare. It’s a very well run site, but the Knicks obsession among the posters is disturbing to say the least. I’d like to ask a Nets fan where the preoccupation with all things Knicks comes from, but I"ll be honest I don’t actually know any personally.
Agree w the rest of you on the MSG ad. Dumb.
Speaking about me personally
It comes from having to go to high school in the 90s and putting up with obnoxious Knicks fans ignoring the Nets. And the fact that the media STILL ignore the Nets as prospects. Like, Jon Rothstein, for example, NEVER talks Nets; only Knicks.
Now, we just want to put the shoe on the other foot and let you guys realize what it feels like to KNOW that you’re second-class citizens as admittedly the Nets were in the 90s.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
The media ignores the Nets lately
because they are coming off 12-70 and are 6-11 so far this year. Not sure what coverage you are expecting, that might be the worst run of 100 games in the history of the NBA. Be thankful the Nets fly under the radar, if the Knicks had a run of 100 games where they won 18 of them the media would be having a field day. It would be unbearable around here and the national media would be pounding them more than they already do. The Nets get off easy in that regard.
During the nice runs the Nets had with Kidd, etc I thought the media did a good job covering the team. Let’s face it, the Nets have very few fans, and the media is all about getting eyes, ears, etc to the story. If nobody cares, how much do you expect the media to cover or discuss them? They discuss what’s going to get them ratings, clicks, etc.
Boom
Now, we just want to put the shoe on the other foot and let you guys realize what it feels like to KNOW that you’re second-class citizens as admittedly the Nets were in the 90s.
There it is right there. Well I don’t know what to tell you. Second-class citizenship is only somewhat related to actual record (though the Nets have been god awful lately). I don’t think that anything other than multiple NBA championships for the Nets is going to reverse the power dynamic here. Shit, didn’t you guys go to the finals twice during the million years the Knicks have been terrible? And yet… nobody cared or really remembers that. Because it’s the Nets. Womp womp.
Wait... Nets were in the Finals? When?
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 29, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
@ Flossy
Was that the ol’ womp womp sound from cartoons?? Very funny! LOL I kind of thought about the Price is Right sound when you lost a game, with the tuba and all! Too funny!
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
Attention starved?
Great reason to be mad. I live in Jersey and know for a fact that when you guys are bad, no one comes to your arena(s). Nets fans are fair weather fans it’s as simple as that. Furthermore Tom, I see you here often….. how often do you see me at the Nets blog? Never. Nothing to talk about there. No beef, and I actually wish your team the best. Honestly though, this Terrence Williams debacle shows where your franchise is at right now. I also want to make the point that last season Nets fans kept coming here to tell us the team wasn’t as bad as the record looked…….. really???!!!
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
its is frequent over there.
But maybe its b/c there are sooo many posters on that site that your ratio of “non mature fans” is higher than usual. But there are some good fans over there tho.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Knicks are a joke
"The days of Dwight Howard coming into the Garden and dominating are no more. AMARE STOUDEMIRE!"
LMFAO
he loves the nets so much
that he puts knicks hate as his name vs something about the nets
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
technically
we cannot confirm or deny that claim, since the first Knicks/Magic game got asbestos’d out.
(and i don’t believe that’s even a quote from any real person… wait, why am i responding to this post?)
by latrell chokewell on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
there is some statistical support to this claim
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=stoudam01&p2=howardw01
Amar’e is 8-1 with 20.3 ppg on 52.7% and 9.8 rpg against Dwight Howard in his career.
The scoring numbers are below his career averages, but that’s still very impressive for an interior scoring big man against Dwight Howard.
Howard vs. Stoudemire is the league’s premier interior matchup, IMO, and Stoudemire tends to win.
"Your right, I hate my father....."
Big daddy*
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I used to root against the Nets
Because back in highschool, a lot of my friends jumped off the sinking Knicks ship and onto the Nets bandwagon. When they started sucking too and the bandwagoners got quiet, my hate subsided.
Still think the ad is stupid though.
I love Basketball
so, I never had any problem with the Kidd,Jefferson, Martin days (even when the Kittles/Cassel aliens were there). I dug watching those dudes as well as when I was out west for a while, I dug the Suns (D’antoini days). This Nets team is just not well constructed and barely watchable. They have to not be concerned with rivalry as much as turning the franchise around. Mind you, I said the same about us in the last decade.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
how old are you?
if you’re gonna talk shit at least do it in a way that doesn’t make you look like a 12 yr old kid…
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
I actually thought it was pretty funny.
What’s also funny is that he’s obviously a Nets fan. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that one of the only times we talked about the Nets this random poster comes out in an attempt to humiliate us Knicks fans. Just goes to show that Nets fans really can’t keep the orange and blue out of their minds. Like I said, Nets = Luigi, Knicks = Mario. WAHOOOOOOOO!
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 30, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance
Maybe Nets fans should go support their team instead of running their mouths about the Knicks.
Also, I found #2 quite surprising.
Wow Nets are dead last in attendance...
No wonder they see the move to BK as a good thing. I’ve never seen fans more delighted to be losing their team, especially to a place they supposedly hate. By the way, the Cavs at 2 doesn’t really surprise me much, they’ve always been known as loyal losers. Their fans will always be fans.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
no wonder why they're all so worried about the Knicks and their fans
they NEED more fans that actually like basketball enough to go to the games
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
what is the population of NYC?
compared to newark?
But I thought
Nets fans didn’t go to games because there was no public transportation to IZOD??? haha
Maybe it’s just that there aren’t any Nets fans, could that be it? (And don’t forget those numbers include a “guarenteed” Heat sellout, which evidentally the NJ Nets even managed to screw up).
SMH. And I’ve actually read articles where the Pru center had a “buzz” this year.
I tend to quietly lurk opposing teams game threads when they're playing us and I found something odd over on Nets Daily.
Seems like there is quite a few Nets fans actually attending the game tonight at MSG but they can’t even go support the Nets at one of their home games. They’re over there calling MSG a dump but at the same time huddling up for advice on how to get to get to MSG. Why go through so much trouble to attend a Knicks home game if you hate the team so much and if we play in an “asbestos infected dump?” It would bring e great pleasure to quote some of the things they’re saying but it’s really a sad thing and I wont waste my time on it. They’re seriously acting like this is game seven of the finals. If you want a laugh go read.
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by MikeTheIntern on Nov 30, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I went to a Nets game once last year
the tickets were literally $0.00, and it was against the Blazers. We were in the nosebleeds but we won some Chipotle raffle and got upgraded to 2 rows behind courtside…the arena was like 1/3 full, and I’d say a quarter of the ppl there were just watchin Roy. They realy don’t have supportive fans…
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
I really don't get it either.
They have a ton of fans over on Nets Daily, either the majority doesn’t live in NJ or they just don’t bother to go to games which is sad because a ton are going to tonight’s game. Being dead last in attendance can’t be mistaken and half of the fans that step in that arena are Knick fans and only go for a cheap Knicks game or to see whatever team is playing there for cheap. I feel bad for them because even the Nets fans admit that they get outnumbered at their own home games. I feel bad or them. But I do think it’s funny that they think moving to NY will cure that problem. If your home games are overcrowded with NEW YORK Knicks fans in JERSEY what makes you think your home games wont be overrun with Knicks fans in NEW YORK? Those guys are in for a very rude awakening.
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