Sixers 106, Knicks 96: "Offense was horrible, defense was inconsistent."
That one stank. After a hot three-point outing on Thursday, I figured the Knicks would post a brickfest against the Wizards on Friday. Instead, New York saved the ineptitude for a Sunday afternoon, shooting a horrendous 3-19 from outside and farting through the fourth quarter to turn a close contest into a double-digit loss. As P&T user "The Rooster" noted in the comments, the Knicks had moments of effective defense, which spurred momentum and fast break buckets, but that D didn't sustain long enough to overcome a truly horrible offensive showing.
A few notes after the jump.
- First of all, the Sixers played a hell of an offensive game. Elton Brand dominated the early going by getting good position and working to get his looks over pretty decent shot contests by Timofey Mozgov. Jrue Holiday was deadly (4-5) from downtown and quick to the rim when the bigger Knicks didn't help. Meanwhile, Evan Turner got it done from midrange and Lou Williams faked and flailed his way to 14 free throws. Without Andre Iguodala, the young Sixers (and Brand) still managed to find the net from all over the floor. There were defensive aspects in which the Knicks floundered (they, for instance, completely lost Turner and Holiday on screens in the first half), but Philly really just shot the ball like a bunch of champs and earned free throws to boot.
- On a day when the halfcourt offense struggled and the Sixers hit everything, the Knicks briefly held leads (as big as 9 in the third quarter) when they pressed, forced turnovers, and scored in transition. In the endgame, a lot of that turnover defense morphed into reckless fouling, and the Sixers chipped into the lead while the Knicks sputtered at the other end.
- Today's game reminded us that several of our beloved young guns are, in fact, human. Landry Fields posted his usual efficient line (8 points on 4-5 shooting, 5 boards, 2 assists, a steal and a block in 20 minutes), but had some defensive breakdowns and committed a couple of silly fouls in Lou Williams in the second half (a relatively small transgression, but the line is really where the Sixers ate New York's momentum). Toney Douglas got himself 17 points and 3 steals, but made some silly, silly fouls (5), made some ugly decisions in transition, and bricked a few jumpers outside his comfort zone. Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari just shot poorly.
- On second look, Landry was +17 in a 10-point loss, so maybe I should exclude him from that last bullet point.
-If there was any game for Amar'e Stoudemire to take over, it was this one. No dice, though. Amar'e canned a few open looks in the third quarter, but went on to miss free throws, commit one costly turnover, and struggle getting the ball in position to score when the Sixers went to a zone defense in the fourth. Amar'e's 21 and 15 over a milquetoast Philly front line (Really, nobody is milquetoastier than Spencer Hawes) looks nice on paper, but this was a game in which the Knicks needed a hero.
- It sucks for Raymond Felton that he couldn't find the rim (2-11, 7 points), because his 10 assists and 8 rebounds were pretty splendid. Those latter two categories were buoyed by a number of sequences in which Felton turned long rebounds into fast break dimes. If Felton and co. could have maintained that pace throughout the evening, they might have won. Given the way the Sixers were shooting and the Knicks were fouling, though, that wasn't going to happen. At some point, you just have to run plays and hit open shots.
- Anthony Randolph blew a dunk and bricked a transition jumper, but he also defended and rebounded quite a bit in his 11 minutes. Anthony's kind of a headache in a halfcourt offense, but he's been a force without the ball.
- In both the Chicago and Washington games, several Knicks (Douglas, Felton, and Bill Walker, namely) stepped up to hit big shots when it looked like the opponent was gaining momentum. Tonight, no Knick could provide those "answers". A couple of really important momentum-busters rimmed out, or in Raymond Felton's case, missed the hoop entirely.
- Of all the ugliness I saw today, Tony Battie's line of 6 points and 5 rebounds in 14 minutes is the most nauseating. I'm used to losing...but Tony Battie? Tony? Battie?
I don't know, guys. The Knicks certainly aren't as bad as they looked this afternoon, but it was a bummer of a bookend to an otherwise terrific weekend of basketball. Maybe you'll take solace in the fact that, despite the miserable shooting and spotty defense, this was a winnable game until the final minutes. Maybe it was those final minutes that really troubled you. All I know is that last year, this loss would have triggered a cascade of struggles in the ensuing week. Let's see if New York can nip this poor play in the bud and get back on their collective grizzies on Tuesday against the feisty Bucks. For now, the Knicks hang at .500.
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I am just as milquetoasty as Spencer Hawes
if only for the fact that I like milk and toast more than he does.
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good grief
if anybody had a decent day, or if we could have stayed on our stupid feet instead of fouling lou williams for no reason whatsoever, we could have beat them. your doomsday scenario is unwarranted. that goes for every last one of you jackals.
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I whole heartedly agree
The moment Felton left the floor with 4 fouls, this game tanked. It just took longer to tank cuz the 6ers were equally inept much of the 3rd. TD ran the floor recklessly and didn’t facilitate the shooters well at all. We spoiled alot of steals, possessions and forced turnovers in the 3rd off sloppy offense. The Sixers shoulda been scrapping for a tie in the fourth, not building a lead. And I can’t lay the blame on Amar’e for that. It came down to poor floor generalship (if that’s a word) and not setting up plays properly. Philly pulled alot of cheap fouls also off fakes.
Im not blaming Amare. Its just a fact.
Nobody on this team, including him, has the ability to create an easy bucket in the half-court in the crunch. Amare is a bad option because his offensive game is limited. He needs to have things to be a certain way for him to be effective. He has to catch the ball high and dribble past his man to free himself up. But that leaves him susceptible to having the ball poked away, allows for easy recovery for help defenders, and limits his court vision to find open teammates.
I’m not trying to say that he played bad yesterday, or that the loss is his fault in any kinda way. Im just pointing out the obvious, that he’s not able to consistently break down the opposing defense; and that thats something the team needs right now and going forward; and that thats something that Melo brings to the table.
We need a guy that can iso and score in a variey of ways, and that can create easy open looks for teammates.
That's honestly where Felton comes in
I know none of us look at him that way, but he’s our best player off the dribble. Had Nicolas Batum not made a ridiculous block in that game against Portland, we all would’ve been calling Felton the hero, because he found a hole to get to the rim.
It does help to have an iso-guy but Felton took over the ball down the stretch for Charlotte, he needs to do the same here
by WSD on Nov 8, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the Amare assessment...
Amare has tried to be that one on one guy, but doing it face to the basket shouldn’t be his only move. He also needs to drive to his left some because I dont think he has gone left in any of the 6 games. Maybe he has Zoolander disease and can’t make lefts, but something needs to be done.
Honestly, the best half-court player on the Knicks is Chandler. He gets to the rim, can hit the mid range, has a post up game, and when he steps into them can hit a three. He still needs to put away the jumper some and drive to the basket ala Lebron James to make himself as good as he can be. I’m not to worried.
Eventually they will jell better and the wins will come more consistently. Im excited
by Bill from LI on Nov 8, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.. the chemistry will develop
Once these guys get the pick-and-roll down, all hell’s going to break loose. Gallinari waiting in the corner or the wing for a three, Stoudemire cutting to the basket, and Felton surveying his options. The offense will eventually fix itself, there’s way too much talent for it not to. Not to mention that we have one of the most creative offensive minds as our head coach.
What’s more important is the defense. So far the team looks like they’re playing very hard on defense, so the effort is definitely there. What I would like to see is someone (aside from Toney) step up and play some good one-on-one, on ball defense. Eventually, the rest of the league will realize that our defense consists of cheap swipes at the ball when you drive into the lane.
and what if he was chucking up bricks too?
its not like he’d be stopping any of the Sixers from doing what they did.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Totally not convinced that Stoudemare is better than Lee.
Lee is a whole lot cheaper too!
We will be buried w/Staoudemire’s salary 4ever.
we can sign a max player
in the upcoming off season. cool your jets, bucko
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Maybe
Depends on the new CBA. If it stays the same and the cap doesn’t go up much then signing Melo may mean relinquishing Chandlers Bird rights
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
bet.
so like i said. and unlike frankiec said. we’re gonna have plenty of cash next season. we are not buried by stoudemire. and with cool hand donnie at the helm, we’ll be fine.
snap judgements suck.
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Well I'm convinced taht the Knicks stunk with David Lee and basically this whole same team.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Stoudemire is on another level
We haven’t seen half of his game. Slow down.
Guessing you didn’t watch many Suns games.
by The Rooster on Nov 7, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny, though neither Lee or Stoudemire are known for their defense
I find that the huge difference between Lee and Stoudemire is defensive. Stoudemire doesn’t always have the full effort defensively, but when he does, he’s pretty good. Lee sorta had the effort but no matter how much effort he had, he’ll always be a liability on D. That’s a big problem for a power forward or a center. So I’ll take Amar’e.
yeah..
I’m sure everyone felt, with 8 minutes left, that Amar’e would need to really take over this game if the Knicks were to win. And he really did play well in those final 8 minutes. He grabbed a bunch of rebounds, played terrific defense, and scored 7 points. I personally think that Amar’e did nearly all that he could do to win this game. But unfortunately, the rest of his teammates just couldn’t step up. No one could hit their 3’s, and no one could stop fouling Lou Williams.
So the hate on Amar’e is silly. I think he played really well. This game was just the inevitable shooting cool-down after two fantastic shooting games.
It’s funny that Amar’e played the worst game of his career against the Bulls, and barely anyone said anything about him since the Knicks won. Now Amar’e plays well, and everyone jumps on his case because the Knicks lost.
He's gonna have to get used to it
Becuase thats what you take one when you become face of a New York City franchise
by WSD on Nov 7, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
we took it easy on the sixers
they didn’t have iguodala. arguably their best player. that doesn’t mean we can take plays off. end of story.
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having said that
the sixers stuck to us. so kudos and all that nonsense.
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Stop Watching Our Knicks
Just join your local CYO Girls League. You are suppose to take no prisioners in the NBA towards victory. Not say foolish things like we took it easy on the Sixers. CYO is waiting for you.
Hey! That's rude!
Whaddaya, need the competition Dziedz? Those italian girls spanking ya booty over there at the Battery Park CYO?
Yes Spanking!
I have to admit it happens as they say, deeper, deeper and deeper.
Then we have to go to watch our Knicks.
Oh I do feel it, W.Chandler is going to start pretty soon.
I know why he's upset
http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/11/05/battery-park-city-authority-accused-of-lavish-spending/
Trouble brews in Battery Park City
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
well we took it easy on the sixers
and i hated it. kick rocks, bwoy!
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We will virtually never win games where we shoot 15% from three and 40% overall
It’s really that simple. Guys need to make some shots. Yeah, there were dumb fouls, Toney Douglas reminded everyone that he’s not a point guard, and Wilson Chandler might be a candidate to get the Josh Smith treatment, but really, on nights (afternoons) where we just can’t hit the side of a barn, it’s going to be ugly pretty much all the time, regardless of the competition.
Personally I blame daylight savings time.
Clyde always says Sunday afternoon games are no good
Saturday nights off in NYC are no good for players. It showed. We were so sloppy. Push this game back to 6 and the results might be different. Not to take anything away from the 6ers or give anything to us, just saying
by WSD on Nov 7, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
glad I forgot to record it and didnt spend time on this one
but as they say…
you are never as good as you are at your best, and never as bad as when you are at your worst.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
wait, we lost this one?
i was too busy watching the Jets.
just when we thought we were out, they pull us back in…
by latrell chokewell on Nov 7, 2010 8:41 PM EST reply actions
i'd expect this team to be consistently inconsistent
this entire season.
they’re going to have games like they did today, just like they’ll have games like they did in Chicago. just have to roll with the punches i guess.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Nov 7, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thats just about the best way to describe it.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think the consensus around here before the season started was at best the Knicks will be slightly better than average. Fortunately, 41 wins will probably be enough to earn a playoff spot in the East.
Jordan Hill
14 Points, 6 Rebounds, 2 Blocks, 24 Minutes.
Like I said when we traded him, his potential is as a career 12/7 guy
i.e. not at all worth keeping when you have the chance to add two max FAs.
What really sucked about this loss
The team gets a standing O at half time and then in the 4th quarter they finish with a thud and you could hear boos in the garden. We get the Warriors up next with a motivated David Lee. But the good thing, we got Ronny and Randolph who want to prove a little something to Warriors. That should be an exciting game
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
Agreed
The boos were largely isolated, but I hate how quick the crowd can turn negative.
Even worse, I’ve heard some booing of Randolph and that guy is likely too sensitive to handle it well.
Dishin' and swishin' in transition
by Serious Garbage Time on Nov 8, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Monta got hurt tonight
Looked like a back injury. I hope he’s OK, but I assume he’ll be out on Wednesday.
I can summarize most of the posts after one bad loss...
OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!
Boo?
That is just nuts. I realize that the fans have been starved for a long time but sometimes the shots don’t fall and that’s just how it is. I didn’t think that the knicks quit trying in the 4th (like previous knicks did…)
Mike D needs a plan B when shots don’t fall. Continuing to launch threes is one way, I guess, but he should get Randolph more involved in backdoor drives when the shots ain’t a fallin’
Knicks..
Defense will get better as the season goes along.
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We have the 8th best defense so far, actually
Who’da thunk it?
Good.
With this offense you should win 45 games with a top defense.
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Pity to end my trip with an L
although I did get to enjoy the Raiders take out KC in great style so the weekend wasn’t a total bust. Gotta run for my flight home but maybe I’ll do a visit recap ;-)
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...

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