Alan Hahn on the bench, Przybilla
by The Rooster on Dec 16, 2010 3:43 PM EST
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PrintFor those of you clamoring for a PG and C, Hahn dropped some names in today's column. That said, the problem to me is the lack of bench scoring since Wil was promoted. Even a healthy TD will have trouble as the lone scoring option in any bench unit. Does Wil have to move back to his original role for the good of the team?
Major issue brewing with the bench, or the lack thereof. The Celtics bench outscored the Knicks bench, 24-7. Wilson Chandler is obviously fitting in well as the starting PF next to Amar'e, but the Knicks are missing his production off the bench and aren't getting much of anything out of Toney Douglas. To be fair, D'Antoni went with basically six players in this game, with Ronny Turiaf (8:49) and Shawne Williams (5:31) seeing minimal action, so it's not like anyone was given much of an opportunity.
But the bench is an area of critical need and the Knicks are certainly looking to address it by acquiring a backup point guard who has the ability to run an offense -- Douglas, for all his effort on defense, is just not ready to take over when Raymond Felton needs a breather -- and, obviously, a high-IQ big man with some muscle. The Knicks would love to add a player like a Luke Ridnour if Minnesota was inclined to move him, but it's not easy to find a reliable, intelligent backup point guard for a reasonable price in this league. Stan Van Gundy has Jason Williams and Chris Duhon, two players who certainly would be able to handle the role. Williams' expiring $854,389 is certainly more attractive for the Knicks, but it looks like Williams has moved ahead of Duhon ($3.5M per over three years) on the depth chart. Duhon ran D'Antoni's system well, he just didn't have the ability to get to the rim or shoot it consistently.
As for bigs, Kurt Thomas would be a great fit, though he's starting to show his age. I've been told that the Knicks have looked into the availability of Joel Przybilla as the Trail Blazers appear ready to break up that injury-riddled team. The dream would be to land Marcus Camby for a decent price, but let's not get carried away.
In other news, Donnie Walsh is "very confident" that he can trade for a first-round pick, and he hinted that the Nets are not in the Carmelo sweepstakes. Not that he's discussing Carmelo or anything.
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I think we will have to wait until the offseason to address our needs
I’m not sure what we have to offer other teams that would entice them to trade with us.
In the meantime, I think D’Antoni has to seriously consider getting creative and letting Gallo or Chandler run the offense with Felton on the bench. Toney is so much more effective when he plays off the ball.
Well, we have half decent youth
like Randolph, Walker, and (gulp) WWTDD
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by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 16, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
A team like Portland
could be willing to send away the expiring Przybilla in order to kick the tires of a guy like Walker.
For the record, a Przybilla trade not involving Eddy Curry would have to contain the expirings of Buike and Mason. I’m sure that’s not a dealbreaker for anyone, although I’d love to see what a healthy Buike can do – even though there isn’t really a spot for him in our rotation.
But I do agree, we won’t find definitive answers until the offseason. The trade market is pretty weak.
And there is no way Chandler can run the offense. Gallo has the vision, but not the handle. Turiaf has basically ran the offense from the high post off the bench in order to mask our lack of a backup PG, much like David Lee did last season (although Lee could actually shoot and drive). It would work a lot better if TD and Shawne hit their shots, because the off-ball movement in high post sets has been consistently good.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I actually like that idea of Gallo running the offense
He played alot of point forward in Italy and often ran his teams offense at in games. But I wonder if he has the handle to be the primary ball handler against NBA teams. And he could run the pick and role. He actually ran a couple of nice ones with Stat in the Celtic game, which led to dunks by Stat. He is a good enough shooter that his guy has to get over the top and he is big enough that even when Stat’s man hedges he can still see over the defense and get a passing angle. But I know there is a difference between running one or two plays and running an offense for 4-5 minute stretches.
by Robert Currence on Dec 17, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Problem is Fields and Wilson...
Both players are in the top 5 skilled players on the roster…. and both Wilson and Fields are most effective at the same position as Gallo…. But neither Fields or Wilson fit into the offense better than Gallo…
We need a true 5 or a solid dynamic 4 that can compliment Amare on D and off…. and then mix in Gallo, Fields and Wilson….
But Gallo, Wilson, and Fields on the floor at the sametime in late game minutes will kill us down the road….
We stayed in the game with Boston because the C’s played Erden and Glen Davis at the 5 in the late game… Sometimes they played Nate,Rondo,Ray,Pierce, and KG…. But come playoff time or late season games. Boston will play either SHAQ,JO, or Perk. And that will kill us. We wont get rebounds or easy baskets around the paint. Amare wont be as effective.
We need to get away from small ball to become elite.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Umm Actually Boston stayed in the game with us
because they played small. I actually believe we lost that game cause they did not have Shaq. Look at the pace that game was played. Shaq would have had trouble staying on the floor more than 2 minutes at a time. And even in his prime Shaq was clueless at defending the pick and roll, and does not even try to these days. Jermaine Oneal also does not have a clue how to defend the Pick and roll. The Celtics went for large minutes with their best lineup. Davis and Garnett are the guys usually on the floor at the end of games. So Doc was forced to play his best lineup more minutes!
by Robert Currence on Dec 17, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
the O'Neals would do nothing against us
neither did big baby. They can’t hand with Chandler and Doc will not play big against us.
The only reason they went to it earlier was cuz Amar’e was in beast mode the first half.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I like Prezbo
I think he’s the sort of defensive presence we’d like out of Mozgov. Really not sure of his offensive game other then I know he likes to grab offensive boards.
Not sure what the Blazers would want from this tho. I bet they’d like to steal Randolph.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'd hate to be the heckler who calls him "shitbird"
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
for me, i think we would be MUCH better if we were able to get przybilla and either duhon or williams. i think thats what we need.
we have a surplus of players are sg/sf and a shortage at PG/C. if a trade is necessary, its necessary.
if we decide to ride it out how it is, over the summer id make a run at nene or marc gasol AND some backup PG (aaron brooks, mike conley)
maybe even a run at perkins or greg oden?
think about this for next year:
felton, gallo, chandler, amare, nene/gasol
bench:
brooks/conley, td, fields, randolph, turiaf
extras:
walker, rautins, mozgov
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Conley just signed a big extension and has played pretty well. I don’t know why you think the Knicks can get him. Brooks is the starting PG for the Rockets. I’d go for Perkins if he can return healthy.
perkins is the oak to stat's ewing
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Remember we are still developing chemistry
I think td can be that guy but he needs time, big man yes but I would keep on working with td
by Phillip P on Dec 16, 2010 5:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like the idea of trading for 1st rounders
but not if we’re trading them. I’d honestly rather have one or two first rounders this summer than get Carmelo this season.
No WAY!
Having Melo will make everyone better!
Gallo can play more to his natural skill set… Amare won’t get doubled or the complete focus of a whole defense… Felton will have more passing lanes… Bench players will get easier looks at the basket…..
I’d gladly give up either or both Fields/Wilson for Melo….
Fields and WIlson are great players, but we are overstocked with that sametype of player.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
I must ask this
When has a team ever traded two players in its rotation for one player in his walk year to boot and gotten better? Trading two rotation players for Melo would hurt our depth even more. Then we would be talking about Melo getting worn down like Felton and Stat because he too would have to play 40+ minutes a night. Getting Melo and Keeping Chandler and Fields is more of a solution than trading them for Melo as then one of them probably Will could come off the bench.
by Robert Currence on Dec 17, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Chandler and Fields are NOT similar players....
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
i do think there's some value in our tradeables...
those being…
walker- cheap young shooter
mason- expiring vet shooter
randolph- 21 with “loads” of potential
buike- expiring 3.3 i think
moz- size, youth and potential with reasonable contract
TD- young solid d bench guy with 3 point range
i think donnie can definitely turn these into a steady backup PG and a serviceable
C/rugged 4
i’m hoping donnie finds the guys who are irritating their coaches and is looking to shake up chemistry on their own teams… like sacramento, philly, washington, nets (i know, unlikely), and even new orleans (getting sold and all)
and does anybody think orlando will shake things up?
brandon bass? marcin gortat? orlando’s got a few too many bigs (with rashard, ryan anderson, bass, gortat, howard etc) and has been languishing.
i’d like to see what bass can do next to stat… bass can bang with 5’s. he lacks height but makes up for in hops and muscle. gortat would be awesome but that’s an investment.
and no, i don’t know what they’d want from us… if anything.
They might shake things up
but probably in the form of trading expirings for established players. Arenas has been mentioned, but Iguodala is a more likely target. Unless they really think they can take a run at Paul.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Melo doesn't want to live in that shithole
and LaLa definitely doesn’t want to
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
their rosters got a helluva lot of bigs...
even daniel orton, but that’s on reputation alone. i’m sure washington would gladly unload arenas, than maybe we can jump in as a 3rd trading partner.
all hypothetical, but i’m sure donnie’s way ahead of us
Bench Points
will only come if D’Antonio plays more then 6 or 7 players. Our bench is not that bad. Play AR, play Williams more. And when Buike comes back, he will be the defender we been looking for. Also this summer Galo has to be more of a Turk type player. That will be outstanding for the Knicks.
But overall Prayzilla and telfair/Riduor will be a good look.
Our bench is actually not that bad
this is just what dantoni does…he only plays a short rotation…..even if we traded for bench players he wouldn’t play them as much…no need for a trade to boost the bench
Our bench is bad because we are not getting production
D’Antoni has already proven that when guys are productive he plays them decent minutes. When Williams was productive he got decent minutes, Turiaf was getting good minutes, but since coming back from his injury he has not been effective when on the floor. I wonder if his knee is bothering him more than they are letting on. As for trading for bench players that is not true. When we traded him Tim Thomas a few years ago, Thomas played big minutes off the bench. But then again Thomas was having a bit of a flashback cause he was averaging like 16 points a game and shooting like 45% from 3. But the point still stands when guys play well, they play. Even the stiffs Donnie traded for in the last couple of years got minutes until they stunk up the joint. Eddie House played like 25 minutes a night his first week here. Sergio got minutes, Larry Hughes got minutes, Walker got minutes and would still be getting them if he could hit the side of a barn with a jumpshot these days.
by Robert Currence on Dec 17, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
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