Why Is The $65 Million Contract Extension A Major Factor?
Listening to Chris Mannix on WFAN radio today implore to the listeners that Carmelo Anthony is desperate to sign his 3-year contract extension for an avg of $21.6 million a year, something didn't add up. Mannix made it a point to state that Melo would be losing this money and never get it back again which is why he will be traded by the deadline. I'm not an expert on the cap or what the collective bargaining agreement will be after the lockout but i can't imagine that the top level elite players in the NBA won't be able to land contracts for huge money.
Now just for arguments sake, lets play around with some numbers. Lets assume that the max a player can earn is $14 million per under the next agreement. Lets say that term length of those free agent deals max out at 5 years. So gone are the days of 7 year deals for $17-22 million per. However, based on those modest numbers, Melo could sign a 5 year, $70 million free agent deal with the Knicks. Not factoring in how much extra money Melo would earn in sponsorships, why would Melo care about this 3 year extension to the point where he's banking on it and therefore giving the Nuggets the power to determine his basketball future?
If, as Mannix says, Melo is determined to sign that extension, then NJ is in the drivers seat here because Denver will take their deal over any deal the Knicks offer. Now reducing the max player cap number from $22 Million to $14 Million is a major drop off and probably one that isn't going to happen. Realistically max players will cap off at $17-18 Million so either way Melo is going to earn a boatload of cash.
Melo will be entering his 9th season so regardless of what the terms of the bargaining agreement would be, he would still be at or close to earning the max amount of money possible. Like I said I'm no expert just throwing things around in my head and I just can't figure why the extension would be so vital to Melo. Maybe I'm wrong guys so educate me.
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Because millions of dollars mean something.
At the end of the day think about it this way. He signs an extension where he’ll be paid $20M + for 3 more years on top of next season. So 4 years at $85M or so + and he still would be able to sign a major deal after that deal is done if his skills hold up. In that scenario he’s 30 years old and a free agent again, and would probably cash in, again. He waits till free agency this year and signs a 5 year deal at $70M (using your idea of what the cap would be), he basically loses a year AND is making close to $20M LESS than he would have had he signed the extension. I mean if $20M is nothing to you, then cheers to you my friend.
It boils down to what Melo values. New York gives him the best chance to win and establish a legacy while he’s in his prime if he signs as a FA. New Jersey or anywhere really, in a trade gets him PAID. He’s made plenty of money and honestly money isn’t everything, but it’s definitely something.
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i mean plus the sponsors he would get over here i dont know how much that would be but i mean it shouldnt be that much of a wide margin but close what he would of made in denver if he signed his extension
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 17, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
The Extension is A HUGE concern for Melo BECAUSE...
a new CBA deal is widely expected to downsize players’ contracts. Why would Melo wait till the new CBA deal to sign a contract when the new deal is expected to make all contracts smaller in size and length.
Melo wants the extension this season which is his last chance to get that type of money from an extension. Melo’s ideal case would be to get traded to a team which he would sign the extension with Denver, and get traded to his new team with the new contract extension in place.
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I get that but Melo isn't hurting for cash and he signed a big deal already with denver and didn't win
making 20 mil less but playing for the Knicks in MSG where your wife will be happy, where you’ll raise your kids and win championships with Amar’e plus you can eat into that 20 mil with endorsements
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haha
“Millions of dollars mean something”
Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one.
I mean if 20M is nothing to you then cheers to you my friend
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20 million means a lot but to someone like Melo who probably has 120-150 million of earning left in him?
I don’t know if he does care if he can make it up on the back-end
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lets put millions in terms of thousands for us broke ppl
if your working a job making 40k annually right now, would u stay there, or take the same job somewhere else, making 70k? i would take the money..just because someone is rich, doesnt mean they dont want to get richer. Melo was born in brooklyn, and grew up in grimy ass Baltimore, Im pretty sure he wants to be as successful as humanly possible. Both career wise and monetary.
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this is why he's not like us common folk.
His salary is one thing. But dude will make a ton more in endorsements here.
Maybe he’ll do the same for the Nets in 2 seasons, but that’s 2 seasons.
Plus we have his boy on the team already. I don’t think people are weighing that factor enough.
Carmelo wants to play in NY. But he also wants to team up with Amar’e.
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compare it to...
40k plus potential bonuses with good performance or steady 70k
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
Basically
It’s who’s at a higher risk? Is Melo losing 20 mill worse than the Nuggets losing him for nothing?
Or more accurately, is Melo refusing to sign the extension a credible threat (just got out of a game theory exam)? If the Nuggets believe he is fully prepared to go ahead with that (and remember, Lebron gave up a lot of money to sign with Miami), they will trade him to the Knicks and get whatever they can.
So who’s gonna blink first?
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Watching this week
had me laughing at the general consensus that the Knicks have nothing to offer in a trade for Melo, and that Denver doesn’t like our “pieces”. Chandler, Douglas, Fields, and Gallo are all major contributors on a 16-11 team most likely headed to the playoffs, and are all between the ages of 22-24. If this were any other team in the NBA people would be going nuts over this collection of young talent. If Denver’s front office wants to continue leaking that they don’t like what the Knicks have, well…let’s just say it’s no wonder Melo can’t wait to get away from a team whose front office is that poor at evaluating talent.
I know what Melo brings, and it’s so obvious how much he could help in the half court when things slow down and we aren’t running, but I’m really to the point where if he feels the security of extending with another team this year is more important than playing for NY then more power to him. I can’t blame him, and it just sucks for him that he is FA one year behind the big 3 of last year and now might get stuck having to sign w a team he clearly wants no part of in NJ. But it is what it is. I really think the development of the young core of talent we have, along with the TONS of cap space coming up, and the draft picks we are finally starting to get back, will enable us to build a well rounded team that will be able to compete deep into the playoffs in the next 1-2 yrs. And if things change with the CBA negotiations, and/or Melo decides to roll the dice and play with the 4th youngest team in the NBA that clearly has one of the brightest futures in the game, well thats just gravy.
Chandler and Gallo were a huge part of our team last year....
and we were not close to a 16-11 record. There is only one reason we are a playoff team this year…. AMARE…. lets get that straight…
But we are clearly not close to being able to compete seriously in the playoffs yet. We have a solid 5-8 playoff spot team. But clearly lack the pieces before we are a top 3 team in the east.
Getting Melo in place of Fields and Chandler would be a HUGE step in the right direction, but might also expose our lack of 4 and 5’s on the team. Amare can’t be our only big man that is at least decent. He might be the best PF in the east, but he can’t be the only big man on our team if we expect to win a championship.
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Getting rid of 2 core players for one
is 1 step forward in one direction (talent) but 2 steps back in another (depth). You’re not gonna beat anyone doing that.
If we’re trying to win a chip, you add Carmelo to our existing pieces, which with every passing turn on Carmelo’s shaft get criminally underrated even more. Fields, Gallo and Chandler are good players. Not superstars, but pseudo-stars (Fields will get there, no doubt about it).
You need these guys. We don’t want to match up with other teams, we want to be better then them.
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It boils down to greed (and i don't mean that as an insult in any way)
First off… just because guys like Melo have monster million dollar contracts does not mean they aren’t spending money. Everything is proportional in this world. It’s simply at a higher level. These athletes still have bills they pay, but as they drop millions on houses, they also make payments since they don;t receive all of their contract money at once. So these guys do have money but they also take on much more than us. They have multiple houses, cars, boats, insurance, accountants, lawyers, and any other bills we have multiplied since they have likely paid for family members and such. I’m not saying these guys are broke (even though plenty of millionaire athletes ARE… Antoine Walker, Eddy Curry, anyone?) but money still has absolute value to them and plenty still have debt troubles unfortunately.
That said… I think this is partly about guaranteed money an partly about seeing his friends get the same treatment. Yeah there are endorsements and there will be long term contracts in the future, but like we admitted, we don’t know those actual figures. This 3yr $65Mil extension is on the table NOW. Shit, if there is a lockout, how long does it even last? Melo could go through not only a new CBA that allows him less money overall, but a work stoppage where he has no contract and therefore no income (at least from the NBA stream). Good business says you don’t leave that significant amount on the take especially in the face of a looming crisis.
I’m sure he also is well aware that his former free agent buddies, LeBron, Bosh and Wade all got their trade demands AND their extensions. So why not Carmelo? Why shouldn’t he get the same treatment? After all, he is an elite NBA superstar himself! Those guys got to choose where they wanted to play AND get super paid in the process. So there is the natural ego stroking for Carmelo.
Basically, I get it from Melo’s POV. But you are absolutely right, Major, that either way Melo will get seriously PAID and he will also get plenty of endorsement $$ to make up the difference. However… that endorsement money would still come his way if he signs his extension and is traded so its not so much of a difference maker anyways. It comes down to how badly he wants to play in NY. If he wants the $ guarantee then Denver will trade him where THEY want. But if he wants to play in NY, he is probably going to have the do it for a significantly less amount of money.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 18, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions
And THAT would be far different than the bullshit contracts the Super Fiends signed in Miami
they made a bit of a deal about taking a little less money (like $1-2 Mil less a year each). Melo is probably talking about taking $6Mil less a year.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 18, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
the other reason he's not signing it
Its a favor to denver. The first 9 years of his career he’s spent it with the team that drafted him. He’s avoiding the PR flak that the super friends got, for now at least. Its pretty clear he’s waiting for some sort of S&T so denver can rebuild with SOME sort of pieces. He’ll make a shit ton of money if/when he comes here, regardless of contract. Denver doesn’t wanna deal with the knicks directly that’s their problem.
by renovator on Dec 19, 2010 8:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions

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