Knicks 116, Raptors 99: "The Knicks have won 7 straight on the road. I think I'm going to cry."
It brings a tear to my eye, too. Like "King Henry the 2nd" (thanks for reading, big fella!) said in the game thread, the Knicks have now won an impressive 7 straight road games. New York's latest triumph abroad was a sound double-digit thumping of the Toronto Raptors. Led by Jerryd Bayless off the bench, the Raptors threatened to make a game out of this several times, but for the second straight contest, Amar'e Stoudemire and Shawne Williams (!?!?!?) owned an entire quarter, dominating the final period to seal the victory.
Take the jump for the usual notes.
- The Raptors like to sneak up on teams with these 1 PM Sunday starts, but the Knicks were in rare form to open today's game. There was plenty of ball movement right from the get-go, and after a few early defensive lapses, the Knicks tightened up their defense and took off on a 15-2 run. Wilson Chandler did a nice job of sticking Andrea Bargnani on one end while drilling open shots on the other. He connected from outside when open, and also did a nice job of cutting to the rim when the Raptors over-committed to the Stoudemire-Felton pick-and-roll. Wil's 12 points anchored the opening period.
- I don't know why I feel compelled to mention this early in the recap, but Danilo Gallinari continued to drift in today's game. It seemed like his best, most aggressive games came while Felton and Stoudemire were struggling to gel. Now that those two are back to being the first option, Gallo has returned to chilling around the three-point arc and waiting for kick-outs. Even there, his conversion rate has been uncomfortably low. One way he might see more opportunities is to do what Chandler and Landry Fields have been doing and dive in diagonally or along the baseline when Stoudemire receives the ball around the free throw line. It's not like Gallo's hurting the team (5 assists, 4 boards, and decent enough defense on the perimeter), but he can do much more to help them. 2-7 isn't the kind of output you expect from someone with Gallo's scoring ability.
- Landry Fields, as usual, was the Landriest man on the floor. As mentioned, he did a nice job moving without the ball, finding the soft spot in the defense when Amar'e drew help. He also snaggled three steals, hit both of his three-point attempts and, most importantly, grabbed 10 rebounds. For the Knicks to survive with Ronny Turiaf injured and Anthony Randolph benched, they need superior rebounding from elsewhere in the lineup. As this list of guards averaging more than 20 minutes per game sorted by total rebound rate shows, it doesn't get more superiorer than Mr. Fields. LANDRY 4 LYFE.
- Walt Frazier's outfit included one of my favorite garments: a corduroy jacket that's mostly green with tiny specks of red, blue, and yellow throughout. I don't know how I've described that color scheme before, but it struck me today as what it would look like if you ate and then excreted a circuit board. I mean that in the best way possible.
- Speaking of Frazier, only Clyde can make "Amar'e" and "Bargnani" rhyme. Also, "Linas Klayzer".
- Also, this.
- Timofey Mozgov put one DOWN over DeMar DeRozan (documented here by the indispensable Big C), but...yeah. His inability to catch and convert passes is troublesome. He actually had more success head-butting a somewhat high pass (he got fouled) than he did trying to catch the rock with his hands. As with all of life's problems, solutions can be found in the winner of the 2000 Academy Award for Best Picture, The Replacements.
- Particularly in the second and third quarters, the Knicks granted a lot of second-chance opportunities to a Toronto front line that was just feistier in their pursuit of loose balls. Amar'e Stoudemire's 16 rebounds were impressive, but he surrendered some easy ones to Amir Johnson and Ed Davis.
- Speaking of which, I love that Toronto's young core includes guys named "Ed Davis" and "Sonny Weems" and strongly believe that they should stockpile players whose names make them sound like old white guys from '70s sitcoms.
- Jerryd Bayless was instrumental in cutting into the Knicks' lead. He reminds me a lot of Nate Robinson in that he attacks constantly, taking every lengthwise inch of floor that the defense gives him. His tendency to call his own number might irritate Raptor fans in the future, but today his 23 points (including 5 threes) and 6 assists were the only serious threat to the Knicks' winning aspirations.
- It bears mentioning that the Raptors shot like frogshit from the free throw line. They were 11-22 on the game, and Ed Davis alone spent the second quarter hitting parts of the rim I didn't even know existed.
- As was mentioned before the jump, this was the second straight game in which Amar'e Stoudemire and Shawne Williams had a quarter practically to themselves. (No, I did not expect to ever find myself saying that.) After a Barn-yar-ni layup cut the Knicks' lead to 5, it was Shawne and Amar'e time. Stoudemire set screens to force Raptor switches, then demanded the ball when he caught a mismatch, scoring and drawing fouls over shrimpy bros like Jose Calderon. When Amar'e was covered, Williams came to the rescue. Shawne's delightfully floor-bound jumper (which, following an equally delightful and oddly appropriate typo by commenter Thelonious Dunk, will henceforth be referred to as "pooping in the corner") was on the money. Extra E drained all four of his threes and scored all of his 14 points in the final quarter. Like stingy d said in the game thread, one of the main reasons that Williams is currently more deserving of minutes than Bill Walker is that he brings some other stuff to the floor besides outside shooting. He's shown some good hands and willingness to put his body on the line defensively, while Bill is prone to somewhat lackadaisical D.
- Lingus Linas Kleiza used to be one of my favorite players, but he kind of sucks now.
- On that note, here's some quick cranial arithmetic for you math nerds out there:
1 Linas Kleiza skull = 2 Ed Davis skulls = .78 inflatable Raptor mascot skulls
I'll leave you with that. The Knicks are back in action tomorrow night against the Timberwolves. Hopefully, they can even the season series with Minnesota while improving that home win record.
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It's hard to believe the Knicks are playing this good.
I was thinking, I joined P&T in May I believe, maybe I’m good luck?

"Dedication To The Don" Most Popular Post Of All Time On P&T. I Am Honored
My dog just had 2 pups
Ima name them Donnie and Walsh.
Thanks Donnie!! this is what we’ve been waiting for.
Go Knicks!!!
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 5, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Name them Landry and Fields.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Or, if you want them to poop in corners,
name em Shawn and E.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
lots of recs need to be handed out here
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Posting & Toasting!
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
by UK Knick on Dec 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even add in some Extra E's there...
Landrye and Donniee
Doesn’t even mess with pronunciations!
This is slightly unrelated to the game but I just remembered it.
The book Clyde co-wrote, Rockin’ Steady, in 1974 is being re-released. You show buy it.
It is filled with all sorts of advice, some not even basketball related. Like how to catch a fly in midair.
“Most people grab straight for the fly. That’s wrong. You have to sort of curl your hand backward and slowly circle the fly. Then you come around in front of him. You have to be careful and patient, then move your hand forward and he’ll fly right into your palm.
Catching a fly when he’s in midair [takes] amazing hand quickness. But I seldom perform these feats anymore. Like I said, my reputation’s out. Flies won’t come within 10 feet of me anymore."
Other features include a list of all the clothes Clyde had in the 70s, like pants with pockets on the inside, and not one, but two different orgy belts.
I’d recommend this to the P&T book club.
thats a travester
i got my copy a while back! its a must have for anyone who thinks clyde is cool!
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Great tweet from Alan Hahn
‘Loyal Fixer tells me his girlfriend came up with a new term after Amar’e dunked on Amir Johnson: "He got ‘Stoudemized.’ That’s filthy.’
Stoudemized…like it, will use it.
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
by UK Knick on Dec 5, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Greatness
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 5, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
luv it
they should use it in a promo
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 5, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Like this?

EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
by UK Knick on Dec 5, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the more i'm thinking of this the more i realize it sounds like a great porn flick
Victory goes to the courageous!!
there's that espn cover....
if anyone is jonesing for an impetus
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brilliant
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 5, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Happy birthday to Eddy Curry!
I mentioned it in the postgame thread but for those who did not know, it is Curry’s bday today
Knicks should present him with
an iceberg lettuce with celery stick candles
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
eddie's gonna complain... not enough carbs just like not enough minutes!!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Just read this quote....
“You can see why,” Raptors coach Jay Triano said. “To beat a team like this, we need to have our guys playing a lot better than they did today. You can go through the list and see who didn’t play well for us. When your list is that long you’re not going to beat the better teams, and this is one of the best teams in the NBA right now.”
The rest of the league is beginning to take note….
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Sorry for the delay
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/recap?gameId=301205028
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Thank god for Shawn Williams..
because the Incredible Shrinking Gallo was nowhere to be seen. Don’t give me that bull about him not hurting us! We need him to score! Any pro can move the ball or get 5 rebounds, especially when they are 6’ 10". If we’d been playing any above .500 team, then what he did amounts to a Knick loss. Why doesn’t Chandler get such love for playing better? This isn’t the first turd Gallo has laid. We can ignore it for 10 more games, win or not. We need to have the best guys on the floor at all times. THE GUY LOOKS LOST ON THE FLOOR!!! In December, we can try to develope young players. But, by the Allstar break, WE NEED THE BEST GUYS ON THE FLOOR. Very similar slump to Frye 5 years ago.
gallinari does not look lost on the floor at all!!
i wish he had more interesting numbers, sure, but he moves the ball if he doesn’t have a play, he stays active on defense, he never stops being a threat to hit from outside (in other words- opposition simply can’t leave him open), doesn’t turn the ball over….. what else is there?
he’s averaging 15 points and 5 boards. today he didn’t score much but had 5 assists. he also didn’t really shoot much.
you want to mince?
he doesn’t make silly fouls. he stays positive. unselfish. he is happy for his teammates’ success. does not disrupt the offense. rotates properly on defense. the knicks have 6 (!) guys averaging double figures…. does he have to actually avaerage more than amar’e? more than felton (who has the ball in his hands constantly)….
today we won by 17 points. and the team scored 116 altogether.
WHAT EXACTLY DID GALLINARI DO WRONG?
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i saw him make a real nice pass to STAT
near the end of the game. Amare got an and1. Gallo was super pumped. He even pumped his fist in celebratory fashion. It was a sweet play.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
you're right
if we can’t trade him, we should at least put him behind shawne williams on the depth chart.
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We got a combined 29 points, 13 rebounds, 5 dimes and 2 steals
from the 39th pick in the draft plus the 15th man signed to the roster.
In other words, the MVP of this game was Donnie Walsh
by flossy on Dec 5, 2010 9:05 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
How good will this team be in another month?
I’m eager to get Turiaf back and to finally have KA play. My gut tells me that Gallo won’t slump all season.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
my gut tells me
that on nights when gallo gets 20 or more, we do not lose a game all season.
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no doubt.
When he’s operating like we all know he can/should, the Knicks are that much better.
Obviously the easy answer is “trade him for Carmelo to get a consistent scorer”….but fuck that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yea
lets at least be on a losing streak twice as long as this winning streak before we jump ship on everything donnie walsh has made possible.
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My gut tells me that Gallo + Chandler = Melo
And that Felton + Buike + Melo + Amar’e + (center) = championship
by Crackback on Dec 5, 2010 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not feeling it.
2 big ?’s. 3 if you include the “why the hell are we trading 2 players for him?”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
thats the thing that kills me
i stick up for gallinari and chandler like they were my brothers, and of course people want to tear them apart and/or keep them in separate corners. but, let’s be honest, having them on the roster next year with an additional bonafide star or superstar makes our team one of the toughest outs in all of basketball. no ifs, ands or buts. but you look around and teams with weak benches struggle mightily. and we could be one of those teams if we decide that the desperate thing to do is the best thing to do.
PATIENCE!!!!
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yup.
enjoy who we got. If we need to augment with a backup PG like Donnie’s obviously got his ear to the ground for, do it.
Just enjoy the season. Don’t act greedy this is the best Knicks team in a long time.
Then like you said in the offseason tweak as need be, which we can given all the expirings and young players on the roster.
No need to make power moves. Lets build a winning attitude here first. That takes 82+ games. Not 20.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 5, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
This.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 5, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
i am rec'in all over the place
.pause
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
nope
U need to have at least 2 bona fide options, one of which must be able to create offense in the clutch.
Develop TD, Randolph, Mosgov, and Fields. Trade gallo and chandler for melo. Amare’s window of high level play isn’t infinite. Pair him with another bona fide and create space to develop the youngins.
Make a serious run at the end of this year and beyond.
by Crackback on Dec 6, 2010 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
they dont have to be
already bonifide. Patience allows us to keep looking in house which is free, and cheap to have. while the already provens remain with their teams until FA’s.
Being smart is what walsh is doing. He hasnt done one “isaiah” move yet imo.
Im glad Walsh reads P&T
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
they do.
One’s name is Amare Stoudemire. The other believe it or not has been Wilson Chandler.
The third is Ray Felton. Sometimes he’s the second, however.
the 4th options of Gallo, TD, Fields and either WIlliams or Walker are also there too.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Turiaf most def.
Bookie I dunno, Shawne Williams obviously could just be a flash in the pan..but what if he isn’t?
I also share the gut feeling regarding Gallo. Shame he’s gotta have games like this where those not sitting at the grown up table gotta start in about how much of a useless turd he is. But the light bulb seems to go off and he helps us win.
I thought he did things that helped us win today. Which does more to the fact that he’s more then just a shooter/scorer (and I thought that was established a while ago).
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Bookie is def gonna make our perimeter D even better
if his jumper falls he’s gotta play
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
i'm sayin
if this team plays .500 ball, and makes the playoffs, and pisses off whoever they see in the playoffs…. EVERYBODY gonna wanna play for us. and we the fuckin magellan of cap space right now.
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Nice to see Mozgov starting to conquer the "stumbling and bumbling'
Was it his first dunk?
Goggles man rocks
Oh My!
Now we have D’Antoni talking about the reality of play by S.Williams. He will screw it up eventually by saying Gallinari is his baby boy. Ask yourself, how many players will it take playing better then Gallinari before he finally puts him on the bench?
First he has Chandler on the bench coming in as the sixth man. Now he has him still starting at PF instead of SF so Gallinari can start. Now we have S.Williams starting to play as a solid pro of talent. Just a matter of time for another excuse for Gallinari. Stoudemire playing center is another joke also. Why so Gallinari can still start. It is amatter of time when Stoudemire will wear out playing center. It is ok when we play undesized centers, however, when playoffs start we will have trouble then. It all comes back to Gallianri and his BS a starter.
We have a word for this in England:
Bollocks
or, in this case a more appropriate phrase:
Utter bollocks
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
two wrongs
Amare is playing Center due to injury.
and the same with chandler starting PF.
Why is it the morethe knicks win the more you complain?
Your right, if amare is playing center when playoffs start, and the real gameplans come into effect, we wtill be in missionarya bad position. But the lack of depth at C and turiafs injury is the main reason why amare is at the 5 and chandler the 4.
Personally, I think this team will gain nothing if DA reverses teh roles of Gallo and IllWil. So yea, want Chandler to start and gallo taking the bench role…fine. That just means gallos’s 33.5 mins and chandlers 32.4 gets reversed. Big deal.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Miserable
This is starting to sound like someone who has a winning lottery ticket, goes to the collection office, and then starts complaining when he has to share the millions with 3 other people.
i dont know how they all could fit into a "ten game span"
what is that
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
sounds like a lot of salty meat
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Chandler is only 1 ear older than Gallinari & Randolph. Will Gallinari or Randolph
ever be as good a player as Chandler? Probably not!
Chandler’s 39% FG% is an embarassment. So is Tony Douglas’s 39%.
All they do is shoot 3 pointers.
Carmelo Anthony’s team could have any of the 3 players, if they want them.
Correction-my bad!
Gallinari’s 39% FG% is an embarassment.
Just think all those years we had Lee and his 55% FG %.
Lee dunked a lot and had a lot of tip ins
his FG% has nothing to do with Gallo’s.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I wanted to say sumthin
glad you did because that comparison incensed me
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 6, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
To all the Gallinari Haters
What do you say when he hits those momentum killing threes, especially late in games? Or when he hits lite three or four threes in a row to just ruin the other team?What do you say when he calmly knocks down a pair of late free throws to ice the game? He keeps the defense honest in the half-court set, merely be hanging out in the corner. Even when he’s not lighting up the scoreboard, trust me, he’s contributing. The rooster doesn’t lay any eggs.
by Mase in Your Face! on Dec 6, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Your Blind
You keep on talking about his shot. All I am saying put him on th ebench because he is defensive liability along with being soft.
He is better coming off the bench as I see it. No let me correct myself. The team as a whole is better off.
Yes, we are all very happy with the wins.
In order to keep it going and be in the top five of the league we need to do some tinkering to get there.
how about we lose first before we tinker?
Thank you, come again.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Lose First?
I am greedy and want a title. Do you think we are good enough now to win a couple rounds in the playoffs? It i stime to tinker ASAP. Try to get O.J.Mayon now for Gallinari/Randolph/Mason. Then next season we go after S.Battier/M.Gasol/C.Anthony as F/A.
So this year we make the playoffs and next year we contend.
It is important to tinker asap.
memphis is in trouble and we can rape their roster as we seem fit. Mayo/Gasol.
rape is bad
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions

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