The Knicks have made inquiries to other teams in search of a low-cost backup point guard to preserve the starter Raymond Felton, according to two N.B.A. executives with knowledge of the organization’s discussions. The Knicks are looking at players whose contract expires at the end of the season in order to keep their salary-cap space for the summer. They are willing to part with Bill Walker, according to the executives.
More on this tomorrow, I think.
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You do know I was just about to post this right?????
With a nice shiny poll asking which of these expiring PG’s would they fans to see here most.
T.J. Ford
Aaron Brooks
Mario Chalmers
Daequan Cook
Goran Dragic
To my knowledge those are all the expiring PG’s. Not too great of a list but I’d love Dragic.
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If I remember correctly, the Pacers were trying to get rid of Ford before the season but to no avail.
Maybe TJ Ford will be a Knick if the report is accurate.
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by MikeTheIntern on Dec 5, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Ford is the only possibility there, maybe Chamlers ( the Heat could use a Walker I guess...)
Brooks isn’t going anywhere, Dragic ditto and is Cook really a PG?
I guess Ford would be OK. Can’t hit a 3, or really shoot, for his life. But he can probably be a good distributor and fast break operator.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah Dragic is key to the Suns
He’s got a great game, I’d love to have him, but no chance of that.
I read that Ford is who Jim O’brien goes to in the crunch for the Pacers, so if they were willing to deal him, he might possibly be a good distributor for us.
by WSD on Dec 5, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ford requires Curry in the deal
Brooks is too good for this discussion
Chalmers, eh he can defend
Cook is not a PG
I see no reason why the Suns would trade Dragic
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
why would Ford
rec curry?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
expiring?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I think Jason Williams is expiring as well but I'm not completely sure.
Oh and Telfair as well. Read it on RealGM but I’m not sure if the guy is accurate or not.
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by MikeTheIntern on Dec 5, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think Telfair is the best of the bunch
but overall I’m hoping Donnie has the real “NOC” list
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
But Kahn can't deal Telfair!
Then he’ll be down to only 3 PGs!
by WSD on Dec 5, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
Then he’ll be down to only 3 PGs!
you are hillarious my freind
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I've said it before, i'd love telflair back in ny...
I think he had matured enough to move back to ny and really work hard…he’s seen what lance stephenson and marbury have done, and won’t fuck up..
If not I’d take tj ford, but I worry about him staying healthy.
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by zlander on Dec 5, 2010 8:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
u know, I've never heard of telflair causing any trouble
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Dragic is probably the best floor general of em all
but looking at that list I think the only guys that don’t get resigned is Cook and Ford, out of which I’d take Ford.
I’d like to see em make a move with Rautins tho…give him mins or D league him get him some experience and open a spot and instead of a trade perhaps we can make a Dleague call up? I mean that’s what it’s there for, why not use it?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 5, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
My wish has finally come true.
But we’d be shopping Bill Walker to do it….
Whatever.
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 5, 2010 7:50 PM EST reply actions
That link ^ asks me to login to a nytimes account
I don’t have an account.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/sports/basketball/06knicks.html
that link ^ doesn’t ask me to login.
That's weird.
I don’t have an account but I can read the article.
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by MikeTheIntern on Dec 5, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I noticed it was on and off
but I have an account (it’s free)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
if u hav internet thru cablevision newsday access is free
perk of having a rich owner who owns a paper alongside our favorite team…probably the only per but nice none the less
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 6, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
wait....wrong paper
i dont know wat the hell im talking about
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 6, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Ah shit, sorry.
Well, if it makes a difference, the quoted section is the only part of that article that references this particular topic.
I've been thinking...
If we’re gonna possibly go after Ford, don’t you think they’ll counter for Randolph? Walker and Randolph for Ford and a 1st? Pull the trigger?
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Someone trade machine that
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by MikeTheIntern on Dec 5, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't come close to working
and I wouldn’t make that trade anyways
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
can't say I'd do that....
I’d do Curry and Walker for Ford.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
i understand that...
but i wouldn’t pull the trigger just yet.
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Yeah, wait until the Melo negotiations are exhausted, I think
seems like as of now we’d rather not trade Curry
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I wouldn't
Our main expiring contract and Walker for a very very mediocre backup PG who has a career 29% from the 3?
I wouldn't jump to anything either
but a backup PG who can actually run the O would be nice.
And lets not act like having Ford is not an asset. His contract is expiring and unlike Curry, he can actually still play basketball. Isn’t that a sort of reason why Curry is so unappealing? He does nothing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Ford couldn't be traded in a deadline deal with other players though could he?
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
why not?
I think its players signed via free agency cant be traded for x amount of days. but players traded can be traded.
someone correct me here. I always seem to forget the rules.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
yes he could
Remember the Rasheed Wallace deal to ATL then to Detroit in a matter of a week (or I think it was a day…)
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Ricky Rubio
just kidding.
Rodrigue Beaubois and Eric Maynor are the only guys I could think of.. but they’re not expiring.
Bareara or wateva his name is, also on Dallas
I think they’re pretty big on him…but they got like a ton of PG’s already
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Dec 5, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason that Roddy hasn't been playing is because of injury.
Usually, they’re bigger on him than they are on Barea. Barea’s a good player, but not as good as Beaubois.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 6, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
He actually got sent to the D-League I believe.
But this injury you speak of could be the reason behind that.
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by MikeTheIntern on Dec 6, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
It is
He’s been rehabbing and the D-League is just a step in that.
They’re really big on Beaubois. They see him as the PG of the future and they like to give him around the same minutes we give DWTDD, and even some spot starts.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
and Barea sucks
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by The Rooster on Dec 6, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He was sent to the D-League, didn't play just sat on the bench.
Seemed to be more of a marketing/intrest drumming up/PR move than anything else.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 6, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
From Yahoo:
"You can see why," Raptors coach Jay Triano said. "To beat a team like this, we need to have our guys playing a lot better than they did today. You can go through the list and see who didn’t play well for us. When your list is that long you’re not going to beat the better teams, and this is one of the best teams in the NBA right now."
Warms my heart.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 5, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I read that too
I think I shed a tear
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by zlander on Dec 6, 2010 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Call up Antonio Daniels
he’s playing extremely well for the Texas Legends. He’s old, but plays well and cheap.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"- Qui-Gon Jinn
Always kinda liked him
a bit skeptical of handing him rotation minutes right off the bat, though
He’ll get a job sooner than later
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
ive said this in previous posts
hes got experience in a fast break offense . hes plyin great and deserves a chance with a good nba team like us lol
I'm 100% on board with this
No reason to trade away a guy in Walker who can hit the occasional three for a mediocre backup if we can just sign Daniels and banish RMJ instead
Can I ask
What is “Zot”? That’s not by any chance your tag when spray-painting is it?
Also, who is RMJ?
Hahaha at first
I read this as call up Antonio Davis. I was like what the guys still around?!
Can I give an amen?
Amen
I'm the fan formerly known as Serious Garbage Time
by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 6, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
what about daniel gibson?
the cavs are sinking and might like to make some changes. he’s more of a shooter, but might fit our system nicely.
nah.
they are high on him. he’s actually been there go to guy thus far. SO they might want some type of quality in return. The cavs already are full of billy walkers.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Better Idea
Memphis has lack of fan suport and has overpaided Gay and Conley. Gasol and Randolph are F/A’s after the season. They drafted X.Henry/SG and is starting ahead of O.J.Mayo.
So package Gallinari, Randolph and Mason for O.J.Mayo. Him and Walker played together in high school and he can also play PG/SG.
The reason for the trade for next year Knicks is to lure Carmelo as F/A along with Memphis is not going to able to keep all these guys next year as they have to resign them. To much money. O.J.Mayo is a talent that can create his own shot along with being able to play two positions PG/SG. Steal him and never look back. Not some second or third level backup PG.
Mayo sucks
You should realize that OJ Mayo is a pretty bad option by all advance statistical measures.
We don't want to mess with any player movement until we get close to the trade deadline and see what's what with Carmelo.
I think the D-League is more than adequate for finding a backup point guard. They’ve got some pretty good ones.
They will be for!
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 6, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions
this.
and search the DLeague for another Barron type player…defensive, big-body, boards…
Q: Who is at left guard?
A: We'll see. What are you doing?
What's going on with Armon Johnson?
He was the guy I really wanted in the draft (Obviously I’m thrilled that Donnie picked L. Fields instead).
This guy has been solid in limited minutes in Portland. Plus, I bet Portland would be easy to make a deal with because injuries have made them desperate.
They will be for!
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 6, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions
they would probably want some interior depth
and while i like Armon a lot too (he’s got a pro career, for sure), i wouldnt give up on AR or Moz for him just yet. And Turiaf is too important when healthy. If theyd take Walker or RMJ, then most definitely.
Most Definitely
by Ray Smuckles on Dec 6, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
i can't see portland dealing him
they wouldn’t do fernandez for chandler, and armon has a brighter future.
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Alston on a 1 yr vets min?
Trade Walker for a pick and a matching salary you can drop if you can, if not drop Roger.
i would drop roger even if we don't pick up a point guard
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plays in Israel
for Maccabi Tel Aviv. I doubt he has a release clause to go to the NBA mid-season, it’s a serious club with Euro league ambitions.
i wouldnt mind reefer
i mean rafer. I remember making a post this offseason about him..but most shot that down b/c they said he would bring a bad attitude, and expect to start possible. Well, with Felton playing v good ball right now, I doubt that Alston would expect anything more than a backup gig at pg.
And this being his home state, i dont think he’d try to bring any malcontent bs to this close knit group of guys.
plus we wouldnt have to trade anyone for him. dropping RM would be non news worthy anyways
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I seriously doubt we will use Curry's contract in any deal for a backup contract
It makes more sense to me it will be a straight swap with matching salaries ($0.854 mill), so I would rule Telfair and Dragic out of the mix. Besides, I seriously doubt the Suns will take Walker for Dragic, and I seriously doubt Mike D wants any of Marbury’s relatives in the locker-room.
More likely candidates are (in no particular order):
1. Mustafa Shakur (who apparently led the D-League in PER last season but have yet to play a game for the Hornets this year).
2. Earl Watson
3. Carlos Arroyo
4. Mario Chalmers
5. Earl Boykins
6. Acie Law (who I loved at Texas A&M, but have yet to see play as a pro…).
I think we can rule out the Heat players, because I’m sure Donnie doesn’t want to give Miami another shooter. And unless we have some in depth scouting reports on Shakur and Law, we can probably rule these guys out too.
I think that leaves Boykins and Watson, and between the two I’m for Watson.
Additionally, there two unsigned free-agents from this summer that we may be able to pick (not sure what are the rules, but if their previous team is interested in Walker they may be able to still do a sign and trade):
1. Anthony Johnson
2. Ronald Murray.
Murray is more of a combo guard, but knowing how traditionally we like Bulls players maybe he’s an option too.
Doubt they Jazz will trade Watson
He’s been great for them
Shakur
I like that idea a lot. He was supposed to be unbelievable coming out of HS but never really got it together at Zona. Low risk, potential high reward
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Dec 6, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Acie Law was just cut by Memphis, and has been absolutely awful in the NBA
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Shakur is..
In the D-League currently in Rockets’ farm team. He was waived from the Hornets in preseason when they traded for Curtis Jerrells.
He has, but they do have Ronnie Price as cover.
And Walker seems like a type of player that can excel under Sloan (like Matthews, Brewer, Miles). They did lose Matthews, and Brewer (as well as Korver) over the summer, so they might be interested in our Billy for depth on the wing and another shooter.
“T.J. Ford, Earl Boykins, Ronnie Price, Earl Watson, and Jason Williams are among the reserve point guards whose contracts will expire after the season, just in time for the Knicks to be players in free agency next summer.”
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18098#ixzz17LrFtgpX
TJ seems to be the most feasible deal. I’ve got a crazy feeling that White Chocolate would thrive in the D’Antoni system but the Magic already have too many bench swingmen shooters (Redick, QRich, Pietrus) so i doubt theyd want Bully. Boykins is interesting but i’d prefer TJ, and as for the Utah duo, I dont see Bully as a Jerry Sloan type of player at all.
End of the day, i think it’s down to TJ or Bassy
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Dec 6, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions
Ford makes $8.5 mill this season...
so that means either we send Curry, which means we are out of the race for Melo if he loses patience mid season and demands a trade by the deadline, or that some other pieces will be included.
Either way I think it’s too hefty a price to pay for Ford.
wow
thats like an isiah contract. maybe we’d do better to sign somebody like acie law and waive mason if we cant do any better on the market
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Dec 6, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
OK, may sound weird, but.. Pooh Jeter
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3105
+ Undersized, quick point guard who can create off pick-and-roll.
+ Average outside shooter but has quick release in paint. Well-regarded teammate.
+ Lack of size a detriment defensively. Can pressure ball.
After a couple of solid seasons in Europe and a good summer league, Jeter is making the jump to the NBA at age 26. At 5-11, he’s going to struggle to check bigger guards, but he’ll serve as an off-the-bench energizer who can give the Kings a penetrator when Evans is off the floor.
Key pluses: “can create off the pick and roll”, “Well-regarded teammate”, “Can pressure the ball” , “solid seasons in Europe”, " off-the-bench energizer" and penetrator. Makes a little ;less than what Bully makes.
Biggest plus: he may be gettable, if we’re giving up Bill Walker
good to know Derek's turds can run the PnR
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Walker could compliment CP3 pretty nicely
if NO was interested in trading Mustafa for him. If we’re signing a current FA, id like to see what Law has in him. He can play, but hasnt quite found a niche yet. We could either drop Mason, or move Bully for a 2nd rounder. I want to see how Bully responds to losing his minutes though, so hopefully nothing involving him is imminent.
God RMJ is terrible.
Most Definitely
nothing matters... I SHOOK JOHN STARKS' HAND TODAY!
nice dude.
and i agree with not spending too much yet on backups. shakur could be interesting or antonio daniels. shoot, what about jeff teague? atlanta uses bibby and crawford at the point (even though bibby’s old and crawford might not be back). atlanta wants a center to move horford to the 4… let’s give them curry, randolph, and walker for teague and josh smith (imagine smith and stoudemire on the same front line)
i know, kinda rediculous, but i dig josh smith.
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