Breaking: Nate to Celtics?
by Osborn on Feb 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST
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PrintThere haven't been any details yet, but most of the scenarios I've seen so far have the Knicks getting Brian Scalabrine and Eddie House, with (logical) rumors of the Knicks receiving a draft pick as some sort of compensation for giving away the best player in the trade.
I'll post details as they come out, but we wanted to get this up as quick as possible; so sorry if this is a boring, vanilla post. Thoughts, gentlemen and ladies?
Update (3:24): Thanks for talking and checking shit, guys. You make this site run. Alan Hahn seems to be the foremost authority on this trade (as many of you have commented), so if you want up-to-the-second information (which I do), keep peeping his twitter. If anything concrete happens, I'll make sure to update, but until then, consider that your main source.
I'll do my best, but I know you guys are all on the edge of your seats. Make sure if you find anything out on the inter-web, you share it with the rest of us!
Update (4:05): Keep your eyes peeled, guys! This is not definite yet, and there are about a billion trade scenarios out there concerning the Knicks. If you read anything, post it up on here!
Update (this is Seth) (7:01): Good lord, this is nuts. I stepped out for a couple hours to fight a speeding ticket, and while nothing is actually, officially done, here's what's recent:
- A trade sending Darko Milicic('s contract) to the Timberwolves in exchange for Brian Cardinal('s contract) sounds to be near-done. I would presume that Cardinal's contract would be bought out in anticipation of making room for another player. I would also presume that Darko Milicic has no idea that this deal happened, and couldn't care less.
- Nate Robinson, who will be absent once again for tonight's game, will probably be heading to Boston, but we're not sure for who/what quite yet. Alan Hahn's been all over this one, and it sounds like the Knicks are asking for a draft pick in return for Robinson, which makes sense, since it'd be a total wash otherwise.
- The word on Tracy McGrady is that Daryl Morey and Donnie Walsh, both of whom fancy themselves savvy businessmen, are in a bit of a standoff over what odds and ends New York must include to pry away T-Mac. Still uncertain is what combination of Jordan Hill and future picks are needed to even things out, and what level of protection those picks would have. In short, we the people are exactly where we were 24 hours ago.
Update (7:31 (Seth again)): MSG's pre-game show just called the Darko deal "official", and showed that Nate Robinson's locker is totally empty. They displayed a deal exchanging Robinson for Eddie House and J.R. Giddens.
Update (still Seth) (7:44) Hahn:
Source indication that House-Giddens is "one of a bunch of scenarios" involving #Celtics deal for Nate Robinson.
I'm done updating for now. Let's watch the game.
Game thread's coming up. More updates as they come. Incidentally, SBN's got an excellent stream going, where they compile all the trade buzz into one place. It's thorough, but won't give you a headache. Tom Martin and Mike Prada are killing it over there.
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Hm
Real GM says Alan Hahn said it – but Hahn mentioned that Nate tweeted some lyrics ‘When I’m gone’…. I haven’t seen any Hahn tweet yet so this could be speculative… though it seems everyone’s motivated to make it happen so it probably will…
Here's the tweet
Nate Robinson: N wen I’m gone just carry on don’t mourn rejoice every time u hear da sound of my voice(word aapp) 58 minutes ago.
He mentioned this tweet as he got it midway through the chat. But I don’t know if he has any other info.
Meh
None of these guys should be here next year, so if the Knicks manage any sort of picks I’d consider it a huge win.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions
I guess now I get to actually watch Nate play..
as I get all the Celtics games up here.
YAY.
Scalabrine can hit the 3. Eddie House absolutely can…he could probably be a better PG then Duhon to be honest.
Tony Allen is a good defensive stopper. Not much of a shooter at all…but can slash.
..I would’ve loved to see someone like Jeffries go in this sort of deal…but oh well.
…I’ll be rooting for N8 to win…but I’ll hate the team he’s on.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
I’d love to get Tony Allen in this deal….
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
this blows why trade nate but not duhon
and what makes it worse is it is the celtics one of our rivals…… for real. its rumored to be brian scalabrine and house i think
who the fuck wants Duhon?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares, none of those guys will be here next season.
We’re finally almost out of the shithole Isiah put us in, just get as many draft picks as we can now and cross our fingers that we get some real talent in here next year. If we fail to do that, at least we aren’t totally screwed going forward anymore.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
we could package him in tmac trade instead of hughes or harrington
but rele why trade nate at all
cuz Nate is a knucklehead (on the court)
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
he is better then duhon
at least he knows how to score… hes is a legit threat off the bench.. duhon shouldnt even play…. last game nate played i dont think he turned it over once
I told ya
This wasn’t done yet…
Alan Hahn: Let’s start over. Source says Nate-to-Celtics is “close” but no specifics yet can be confirmed. Everyone gets a free punch to my #P90X abs. 14 minutes ago.
Still, will probably happen, but I think there will be another Knick involved, or another team.
who cares if its not official yet
the fact that it is most likely happening sucks if eddie house comes here that gives us jus another 3 point chucker
Eddie House sucks. I hope we waive him right after so he can skip back to Boston.
But in reality, MDA likes him so he’ll get a pass.
i'll miss Nate
and i HATE Eddie House. i’m just hoping a pick is involved.
anyone else looking forward to being blinded by Scalabrine’s gingerness?
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 17, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions
House would be the Knicks best 3pt shooter
this side of the Cock.
…I hate Eddie House cuz he plays for the Celtics.
…I hate Chris Duhon cuz he plays basketball for the Knicks…hopefully House (and I guess friggin T-Mac) can light up the scoreboard so Duhon has a seat on Curry’s lap.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
ok yea halpy
but it would be better if it was tony allen not eddie house… draft pick part i got no prob wit
ESPN’s Chad Ford is reporting that New York may be screwing themselves out of Tracy McGrady, saying that New York is only offering Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries as the meat of a deal with Houston and are now unwilling to include Jordan Hill or a substantial draft package. If New York holds the line with Houston, the Rockets may not make a deal for that kind of package. Putting Chicago in the drivers’ seat as we originally reported this morning.
Can this be right, the knicks are actually being smart in attempting a deal?
Guess that's what all the naysayers (I am one of them...at least when first looking at the rumored deal)
get.
yea…Walsh is smartly sticking to his guns.
It would be very Isiah THomas of him to go and include 2 first round picks and swap 2011 picks.
..very Isiah Thomas of him.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
im sure you could find a team who would take that 2012 #1 to take Jared if they are that desperate to get enough under the cap to go after 2 max guys.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
that's teh thing...
no, they really can’t.
The whole point is Mcgrady’s expiring contract. There’s not many expiring contracts like that.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
mcgrady’s contract is no different if they could dump jeffries somewhere else.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be fine with including Hill and the picks, as long as the 2012 pick is protected.
If it’s the difference between signing 1 or 2 big time players, then I doubt I’d be too upset losing either.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather keep Hill
and give up the 2012 unprotected pick.
Cuz if the Knicks are what they plan to be in 2012, that pick shouldn’t be a player with Hill’s potential.
..see what I’m saying?
Swap the 2011 picks. Give the 2012 pick. Do it.
Hill could develop into something…he could not. Same deal with the 2012 pick.
Difference is…I know that Jordan Hill is not a bust, there’s something there. WHAT? Dunno…but keep him and find out instead of trading him to the Rockets.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
i see what ur saying like the c’s deal w minnesota where they gave up the 1’s but got the talent to make them lousy late 1st picks. the hill part depends partially on who they think they could actually get with the 2 max contracts.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just not a big fan of Hill
I didn’t like the pick at the time, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved. I’d hope that one of the Knicks max contract guys is a big anyway, so I think that would help cover up his loss some.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well what if its not a big dude?
Even if it is, say Bosh, he can’t defend for his life. Hill at least has shown that.
…I didn’t like the pick of Hill at the time either, but in the little time he’s played..he’s shown he can be a player.
..also, if we’re getting rid of all this trash…its gonna open up minutes for him (hopefully).
Then we can really get a good look at him.
That’s what really pisses me off about this. He’s shown something in the time he’s played…yet, hasn’t really gotten a good look.
He could get a good look in the remaining time this season.
…if he sucks, then they could always trade him in the offseason.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently ESPN contradicts themselves...
Sources familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that while the Knicks informed the Rockets that they remain interested in acquiring McGrady in a deal for Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries, they are still unwilling to meet all of the Rockets’ demands, which includes cap relief, Jordan Hill, the swapping of 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round pick.
“We’d like McGrady and the cap relief,” one Knicks source said. “But the Rockets are asking for too much. We’re willing to pay a premium to make a deal. But the price right now is still too high.”
According to the source, the Rockets are still looking for other partners. The Bulls have been mentioned as a possibility, however, sources believe that their offer is less attractive than even New York’s reduced offer.
From RealGM. Can Donnie make this happen without including Hill?
I'd rather include Hill and get rid of the picks
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
i think chicago is trying to get them to take salmons too which is almost the equivalent of jeffries.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Salmons is pretty likely to opt out of his deal, so it's not really the same
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Salmons doesnt have an option…it’s a 5.8 mil contract, period.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
No, he has an opt out.
Here,
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
ok, hoopshype has it as straight salary…u see a team giving salmons more than 6.7 mil cause i dont, so i would bet he exercises it like Amare will probably end up doing and boozer did last summer.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I've been reading alot of Bulls pages today, and the consensus seems to be that he's planning on opting out.
I guess I can see this year being a good one for free agents, as almost every team will have some money to spend.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
opting out to get away from vinny is different than just blanket opting out. ha. also is that bulls fan wishful thinking so they can go after a max guy like wade?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
how is that any different than what i posted to classify as a contradiction?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
donnie walsh is the man
if isaiah..or even dolan were calling the shots..knicks woulda been fucked up this trade.. im glad walsh is stern enough to keep his offer on the table and actually retract some parts of the trade!!
he must be the man at a poker game!
yea..
nice to read that he’s fighting back…..
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
this is annoying
it wont get done until 3 tommorow
JETS
External optimist
Internal pessimist
the rockets wont keep mcgrady
they will take the knicks deal
JETS
darko for cardinal
how would this help us? darko makes 7 mill… cardinal makes 6 is this giving new york more cap space? or less?
it saves some on luxury tax this year, makes no difference next year.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
There would be virtually no effect.
Both contracts fall off at the end of the year, so it would be a parallel move, so to speak.
yea..
and if he pulls the deal as rumored, he’s a butt-shattering rapist GM>
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
nate deal from tkb
Via Larry Coon:
"NY can take in $2,625,223 for Nate due to BYC, House makes $2,862,000. So NY needs to send out more. […] Conversely, BOS can accept up to $3,677,750 for House, and Nate would be $4 million incoming. BOS needs to send out more too."
this would seem to put a wrench in a House / 2nd round exchange…
wont work i wouldnt think
i read 7 seconds or less and from what i gathered from that book D’antoni and amare got along worse than nate and MDA. seemed he had no interest in coaching amare again.
The Suns want more for Amare than just Hill and they are notorious for not giving a shit about draft picks.
Though Kerr is at the helm now, so we’ll see.
Either way, the consensus is that Amare is going to a team that can somewhat contend, while T-Mac is going to a team that just wants cap space en masse. Digg?
yea look at the draft picks they sold away including Nate, Rondo, Deng.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but J.J. Hickson does not equal Amare talent and I feel like Hill+Harrington are closer to that.
But it’s a moot point anyway as it hasn’t been brought up and won’t happen.
In my opinion,
any team with Al Harrington as a major contributor cannot contend at all. He’s too much of a ballstopper to be anything but a bench player.
Now, if someone wants to sign him as a bench player for their contending team, that’s fine, but they won’t pay him 10 million dollars to do so.
if they deal amare they dont care about this year so Al is irrelevant.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
i take hickson over hill easily…the picks certainly would help, but not if they have to eat jeffries as well.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
just say no to amare
DA is a offensive coach.. we need defensively talentted players. so coach can bring the offense out of them, and their instincts will bring the defense naturally
Curiouser
Checking some Nate to Celtics options in the trade machine and it’s pretty difficult to make it work. The only ways I found so far were:
1. Nate and Jeffries for House and Rasheed Wallace and Shelden WIlliams or some other small contract
(Rasheed has another year like Jeffries. It would clear some salary cap space this year)
2. Nate and Duhon for every expiring they got (it’s like, 6 players).
Weird. I still don’t see how they do this. If there’s a third team, strange we haven’t heard about it.
The Rockets trade sounds like the Santana trade in baseball
The Knicks will (hopefully) stay firm in their offer, and when no one bites the Rockets will be forced to take the Knicks offer if they are serious about trading McGrady.
As for the Celts move. I’d rather see Tony Allen than Eddie House coming our way, but I really wouldn’t mind seeing Nate go. I really don’t think he helps the team besides energy. Sure he’s a fan favorite, but he has no sense for the game.
agree
As long as Walsh sticks to his guns (no Hill, protect the pick)…they probably do the deal.
Just the fact they’d get a first round pick, Jeffries (who could be good for them actually…), Al Harrington..also, could be good for scoring..would mean a lot.
Mcgrady’s not playing at all right now. They probably just waive him outright…so, unless they like the Bulls offer better then the Knicks one…they take something.
…I think (hope) the only thing holding the Rockets up is do they want Jeffires contract?
If they can keep Hill and protect the 2012 first rounder, and still trade Jeffries…that’s a huge win for Walsh.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Definition of a Dealbreaker
Clyde’s untouchable
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait, so the second best player we’ve had all decade for a pair of scrubs that shouldn’t get off the bench. considering how hard up boston is for backcourt depth we should be demanding they take BOTH JEFFRIES AND CURRY. This is fucking outRAGEous. I’m vetoing this with everything i got. I hate this trade. fuck you walsh.
screw second round pick!? If i didn’t love the knicks from the bottom of my heart I would break up with them.
tony allen’s not bad, i do like him, but if all we’re getting is danny rappaport, fat eddie and a second. this is on par with isiah. we’re not clearing cap which was our goal this season, simply dumping talent.
fuck this. this is counterproductive. this is trading away our second best player. this is giving up on this season. this is eliminating attractive pieces to lure superstars. This is letting chris duhon run wild. this is alienating the fans. this is reducing the entertainment and quality of NYK bball. this is giving our most explosive weapon to division rivals. IN DIVISION OF ALL PLACES!!! this is shit.
i plead you walsh, dump a salary or hang up the phone.
I think so
Obv crazy.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 17, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he hasn’t ever heard of Chandler
by christopherm on Feb 17, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
this is
a good move. demanding both jj and curry is unrealistic.
nate isnt a plan of the future knicks.. if the knicks were establish already. then yes, add nate as a 6th man.. (as boston is doing)
but having him on our team, at this p oint in time.. doesnt flow with the direction of a Dantoni pg. so instead of watching him sell tickets for 30 more games, and him leaving in the offseason, management gets something for him. albiet isnt a lot, its enough to add to another future trade that is worth much more than nate
best reply on this thread so far
tip of the cap to you. very well said.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
What if doing say....
Curry + Nate for Ray Allen, is a possibility?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
i just don’t understand why we’re giving away one of our best trade pieces without taking a step towards accomplishing our goal of cutting salary.
it seems like a waste, and considering the garbage we’d get in return, it just doesn’t make sense to me. is House, a 3 chucker and former sun, part of D’antoni’s long term plan?
This is where we have a difference of opinion, i think nate is more valuable than a second round pick. too each his own.
Nate was nothing more then a 5"9 Al Harrington
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Cutting salary by trading a guy on a one year deal isn't going to happen.
It’s all about getting picks so that we can throw big dollars at a few free agents
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Most explosive weapon?
Since when?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see basically every single other game?
Maybe he’s a weapon in the sense of say…a gun with one bullett left, and a gun owner with no money.
He did nothing the rest of the year.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Did you just Call nate the second best player of the decade? Really? REALLY? Wow where have I been we must have sucked SO HARD this decade? How did we even make the playoffs in 2000 2001 and 2004 with Nate, I couldn’t even crack the starting lineup on the 2008 Knicks, Robinson the second best player of the decade.
Maurice Taylor
is CLEARLY the 2nd best player of the decade.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Slavko Vranes.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to go with
Nazr Mohammed. He was on that team that was a 7 seed in 04
nobody wants Duhon
it has nothing to do with who D’Antoni likes. Nate was a tradeable asset, Duhon isn’t unless he’s paired with other expiring contracts like his own.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 17, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
The comparison is not between Nate and Duhon
They’re both crappy point guards. Nate happens to be a decent shooting guard.
UPDATE
Two sources close to negotiations have informed TKB that the Nate/ Boston deal is signed and seemingly done, and the Knicks have managed to pry a first round pick from Boston.
The deal has not been sent to the league as of yet as the particulars are complicated and not yet revealed, just that a first round pick, (not sure of what year, but would have to figure 2011) is involved along with Eddie House.
As I’ve been saying, Walsh has been trying to snag a pick as leverage in McGrady negotiations…Plus Danny Ainge knows that the Celtics window is closing and needed to make a move.
what?
first round? so sick
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
waaait.
for real?
boom, keep Hill..trade Celt’s first rounder (if they must…)
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine we get a 1st rounder from this trade, and balk the Rockets into not giving up our 2012 one. Then we have a 1st rounder for the next 3 years! Walsh is a genius if this goes through
by xcdudesquad on Feb 17, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe
hes gonna give them all the picks in order to keep hill
What i feel walsh is doing
He’s constructing to put the role players now so he can resign them with their Bird rights. Dantoni loved House off the bench as a fireplug in phoenix. Thomas is nice for defense/rebounding. Not to mention Tmac. And keeping Hill does the same. With the Houston trade, we’ll be able to afford the 2 max’s, but won’t have much left to sign anyone else other than the MLE, veteran except, and veteran minimums. Players on our roster having Bird rights can be resigned regardless. Its got nothing to do with this year
Yea
That’s a savvy fuckin move. Donnie’s always a few steps ahead
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 17, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
dont we waive all bird rights
if we get 2 max free agents
JETS
by michael28102 on Feb 17, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
actually i think youre right
I thought of that after my post. Theres definately a method to his madness here though because these moves are not for this season.
I didn't know that
Can we sign them for just under max and retain those rights? or will the player’s union not allow that?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 17, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
you've returned from the dark side on Hill?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
not against hill
I just see the value of ridding of jeffries significantly higher than keeping hill
its crazy
that next year we will have around 2 players from this year on our team
JETS
tmac, if yall havent heard this already
Update 11 (3:12 PM): Rockets Leaning Towards Keeping T-Mac? (via Sean Deveney)
But on Wednesday, sources told SN that the Rockets are now indicating they are leaning toward not trading McGrady-for now, at least. Houston, apparently, is unhappy with the offers it has gotten from the Bulls and the Knicks, which would involve the Rockets taking on too much long-term salary and not getting enough young assets in return.
Not so sure this is a total bluff
We’re giving them two players they definitely don’t want (Jeffries and Hughes) and Jordan Hill for the biggest expiring contract in the league. Unless we include the pick, its not a deal they def have to take.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 17, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Does nate have Bird rights?
Because that could make him more than a rental for the Celts
realgm:
knicks reduced offer is still better bulls offer
JETS
what is this reduced offer?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Walsh
Says he will pay the premium for tmac. Meaning he wont give in to morey. But is guarantee that he will b the "highest bidder "
the reduced offer is w/o hill and picks
hughes and jeffries for tmac
I bet that it's without Hill, or without Picks, but not just Hughes and Jeffries.
Morey wouldn’t bother with that. But with a 2012 pick, or with Hill and no pick, it still might be worth it for him.
right it’s not hughes and jj for tmac that’s worse than just letting tmac sit home and walk and year’s end.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
thats why the deal is on hold right now
donnie is playin hardball but i think when push comes to shove he’ll give them hill
i would trade hill (lowering the picks going to houston) if you get boston’s 1 this year in the nate deal cause the upside to hill is more on the D/rebounding end where with Boston’s pick you could take a guy like Varnado who is a defensive beast. Also in that area other big men who can rebound and block shots is a guy like Ekpe Udoh of Baylor. Dont forget that trading hill while not talked about much for money as Jeffries is the money focus saves the knicks 2.7 mil next year.
More details on Washington: the Wizards were hoping for J.J. Hickson to be included in whatever deal they consummated with Cleveland, however sources close to the situation said this afternoon that they would like to close the door on the trade deadline soon and may take Cleveland’s latest offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamario Moon and a protected draft pick. The Wizards are hoping to close a deal and seem ready to make a Cavs deal happen.
This is no brainer to keep Hickson and get Jamison who is a better fit for what they need if Cleveland can get that done they buy for now and dont risk anything.
Plot thickens
RealGM says the Knicks have swapped Darko for Cardinal and that Cardinal is expected to be waived because of the Robinson deal – which means another player or players is coming to the Knicks in that deal.
Also, John Salmons of the Bulls was told to stay at the team hotel. Since supposedly the Bulls are out of the McGrady running, that probably means… hm? What does that mean? Tyrus Thomas was not told to stay at the hotel (it wasn’t mentioned), so it appears a deal has happened with Salmons and not Thomas.
Strange…..
Adrian Wojnarowski: Bulls have fallen out of consideration for TMac and Houston focus on negotiating draft pick protection to complete NY deal, sources say.
So this means really the Knicks are negotiating against themselves and sounds like they will relent and give the picks if protected.
With the Knicks looking poised to land Tracy McGrady, the Bulls are moving John Salmons in a deal tonight, and could move Tyrus Thomas in a deal tomorrow. Sources close to the situation say it could be Denver or San Antonio that ultimately land Thomas.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cleveland has consummated a three-team deal with the Washington Wizards that will send Antawn Jamison to Cleveland in exchange for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and an unprotected first round draft pick. The third team is the LA Clippers who will be receiving Drew Gooden .
Yahoo!’s Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Cavs will receive Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair. The LA Clippers get Drew Gooden and Washington receives Illgauskas, Al Thornton and Brian Skinner and a Cavs 1st round pick.
PHX is stuck now.
yeah i was at school til an hour ago
not even close to catching up with all this
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 17, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
nate to boston, davis and minors to charlotte, augustin to NY is still my dream
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 17, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
that would be a great deal for the knicks.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Shit. Just got home.
Trades Speculation be on and poppin, eh?
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 17, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions
Jamison and Telfair to Cavs
Gooden to Clips
Big Z, Al Thornton cle 1st to Was.
chicago apparently dealing salmons tonight, thomas tonight or tomorrow but out of t-mac.
that’s about it.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
with Chicago apparently bailing on TMac
I have a feeling that the TMac deal will be Hughes, Jefferies, Hill and no picks.
Or it will be the picks but no Hill. I’m not convinced Houston keeps McGrady and I’m not sure which deal i would rather see happen.
I just want Hughes gone and Harrington gone for Tyrus Thomas.
We underestimate Walsh though…
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 17, 2010 7:05 PM EST reply actions
ok
so since ive left…the bulls somehow are out of the tmac talks??- how do we know this
and jamison is w/ the cavs??
and we ended up doing the switch w/ the twolves.. great.. now thta means the nate trade is going to envolve more than just nate and house and their 1st rounder
Ray Allen?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
the C’s are only dealing ray if they can get younger talent back not just to trade him.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
natre and jeffries are young and...
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 17, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Jeffries is going to the pocket Rocket's
Nate and Curry?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
jeffries has no talent and they can nate for house, so keep dreaming.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
a joke, good sir.
on a lighter note, the thunder are rolling…BAH hA!
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 17, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
i would personally drive
to ny and bang down walsh’s door..get my ass whipped by body guards…and thrown out the door like waldo…just to personally thank walsh if curry and jeffries are dealt
save the gas cause it’s not happening. jeffries possible maybe even probably; curry no way.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
i know
just bein an ass about it. im still curious on who is being dealth w/ nate. in due time we will know
walsh should tell morey he can have hill and the picks if he takes curry instead of jeffries. ha
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
espn news
The Knicks and Rockets are still haggling over draft picks in their talks regarding Tracy McGrady. The Knicks have not yet agreed to give Houston two first-round picks (2011, 2012). Houston not only wants the two picks, but they want one of the picks to be unprotected (with the other pick, the Rockets would have the right to swap). If the Knicks agree to give both picks, the level of protection will still be an issue.
Sources say the Bulls’ chances of getting McGrady are slim, but not yet completely dead.
Houston is trying to charge the Knicks a steep price for taking on Jared Jeffries.
i'd rather give 'em the picks and keep jordan hill if possible
is that the consensus with donnie’s braintrust, if you know?
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 17, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I ain't in the brain trust..
.but that’s my preference if we must choose between the 2012 pick and Hill.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
In other news,
The US just stole six straight ends from the Swiss.
Curling fever!
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 17, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions
don't know what that means,
but it sounds fucking awesome
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 17, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's a huge run.
Imagine being down by 20 to the Blazers and taking the lead in a quarter.
Epic shit.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 17, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
about time…i think the men and women are both 0-2.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but they both got world champs Germany so far.
Losing to Japan was an embarrassment. They don’t have ice in Japan.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 17, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
My wife is getting the itch to go to Target and bankrupt me if I don’t stop watching this. Something about staring at that circle. I have tried to explain how clutch this is for the men to come back after two hard loses but my argument is falling on deaf ears.
by christopherm on Feb 17, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Preaching to the choir, big guy.
I skipped classes today to watch US/Germany. That was women’s curling. Word.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 17, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
could u believe they prempted the 1st period of the Canada hockey game to show the curling match last night, hilarious.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
they are playing the wiz who netted josh howard for butler, jamison and haywood…if they cant win vs that unit, quit basketball.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
It would be sad
if we lost to the wizards next week
by KnickerBocker on Feb 17, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely a beautiful stone.
We can still drop the hammer in the next end. Have faith.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
according to Chris Sheridan
The Bulls had been in discussions with the Spurs on a deal that would have sent Salmons to San Antonio for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner, but those talks died.
also this:
There also was talk at the Garden that the Knicks were discussing a trade with the Bulls that would send Al Harrington to Chicago, with Harrington possibly being re-routed to a third team.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'd assume Matt Bonner was the dealbreaker
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Salmons just got traded to the Bucks for Thomas and Elson
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 17, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Holdup
Youve got to figure the holdup in the Nate deal has to be the draft pick. Maybe Houston wants the Celtics pick to be unprotected?
BYC
The players offered for Nate dont match up from what I understand becasue Nate is a base year compensation player… can anyone explain this?
I'll try
Nate makes 4 million. Usually, in a trade between two teams over the cap, one team can’t take back more than 125% of what it gives, or give more than 125% of what they get. That’s a confusing explanation, but usually, for a player making 4 million, if you traded him you could take back between 3.25 million and 5 million.
However, with BYC players, you can only take back half as much. So if the Knicks trade Nate, they are only allowed to take back 2 million for him. So there’s no way to do it, you see, because they have to take back at least 3.25 million.
If they add another player, let’s say Duhon making 6 million, then the total is 10 million but only Nate’s salary would have the BYC requirement. So, sending out 10 million, you could take back 8 million. That fits into the 125% requirement.
Did that make sense at all?
based on that
Im really starting to think this could turn out to be a 3 teamer. Cook or dorseys money matches out the Nate trade. Houston gets the Celtics pick. Hell, maybe even eddie house goes to Houston (their fans have been saying they need shooters). Ifthe Nate deal wasnt more complicated itd be done and announced already
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