Rockets and Kings Strike Deal For Martin and McGrady, Knicks Involved?
by Seth on Feb 18, 2010 2:39 AM EST
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PrintUpdate (1:31 P.M.): Or maybe he is. I'm just gonna wait until this is final.
Update (1:30 P.M.): Mannix (and everyone else but ESPN) say the Knicks are keeping Hill.
Update (1:26 P.M.):
Stein's including Hill. Hmm.
Update (1:18 P.M.):
Sources say Houston gets Kevin Martin, Jared Jeffries, right to swap first-round picks with NYK in 2011 and New York's first-rounder in 2012
Knicks are getting McGrady AND PG Sergio Rodriguez in this deal. More to come.
Note that Jordan Hill is not included, which likely means that the pick(s) are unprotected.
Update (1:17 P.M.): Wojnarowski seconds.
Update (1:15 P.M.): Stein:
Sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that all three teams have reached agreement on deal to send T-Mac to New York
Well, we've heard that before.
Update (12:40 P.M.). Alright. I'm done with class, at least until 3 P.M. Here's what I'm seeing:
- Frank Isola says the prospects of a three-way deal between the Knicks, Kings, and Rockets are waning, but both he and the Woj/Spears tandem report that Sacramento might be interested in a buyout. If the Knicks were to sign Tracy McGrady without getting rid of Jared Jeffries, New York might spontaneously combust. If McGrady doesn't end up in the Big Apple, though, his agent might combust. In summary, shit might catch fire today.
- There are murmurs of the Kings wanting David Lee, but that'd be a pretty big stretch. Also remember that Lee can give a thumbs-down to any trade.
- It sounds like Tyrus Thomas is headed elsewhere, which could mean that Al Harrington will stay a Knick, but could also mean that he (and his expiring contract, remember) is thrown into the Knicks-Kings-Rockets mosh pit.
- The Celtics and Knicks still want to do a trade, but they still aren't quite sure who they want to trade. Nate Robinson is the lone sure component of that deal. Eddie House, J.R. Giddens, and Bill Walker is the most recent C's package, but that'd require another Knick.
More as it comes.
Update (8:50 A.M.): An interesting note from The Post regarding what Walsh was/is looking for in the way of draft pick protection (emphasis mine):
In the original package, the Knicks would have given up rookie Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries' contract, Larry Hughes, a 2012 first-rounder and Houston's option to exchange 2011 first-round picks. Walsh asked for having the first-round picks protected through the six spot.
NBA.com reports in a deal with the Kings, "The Knicks' package would include elements of the same package they offered Houston."
Top-6 protection seems like a pretty reasonable safety net to me, but I don't run the Rockets.
Update (7:30 A.M.): Just as we suspected in the wee hours, Donnie Walsh awoke this morning still at work trying to join the Rockets-Kings trade without giving up too much. In today's Daily Dime, Chris Sheridan reiterates the following:
But early Thursday morning, ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported that McGrady will be included in a deal in which Sacramento will send Kevin Martin to Houston, with the possibility remaining that McGrady ultimately would end up going to the Knicks before the deadline at 3 p.m. ET.
"I'm hopeful," Walsh said. "It's a matter of trying to [get] a fair deal for your franchise and a fair deal for the other franchise."
Interestingly, it sounds as if Jared Jeffries' trip to the locker room early in last night's game was totally legit:
One complication arose during the Bulls game when Jeffries played only six minutes after hyperextending his right knee, but coach Mike D'Antoni said the injury was merely an aggravation of an old ailment, and that Jeffries should be able to play Saturday.
Original Post:
I'm making this it's own thread to avoid clutter. It turns out the Rockets' talks with the Kings were the real deal, and a trade involving Tracy McGrady and Kevin Martin could be in place, with or without the Knicks. Here's the very latest from Marc Stein:
One source close to the situation confirmed to ESPN.com that landing McGrady with the Knicks before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline is the goal, but the Rockets and Kings have a deal in the event that terms can't be reached that include New York.
The deal struck Wednesday night will send Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez to the Rockets for McGrady, Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and an undisclosed amount of cash.
One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com that McGrady will either end up with the Kings or the Knicks by the deadline. And Martin is definitely headed to Houston after Sacramento refused trade interest in the high-scoring guard for weeks.
Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Knicks would receive McGrady and Rodriguez in a three-team scenario.
I guess this means I can't call it the Brian Cook Deal anymore? That's sad.
Donnie Walsh is definitely asleep, so I might as well hit the pillow as well. It's gonna be an interesting day.
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Brandon
Depending on where the pieces fall, if the rockets get no picks, no jordan hill, and still lose tmac and landry, you could call it the “Houston got Lasso-ed” trade…
But think about it...
say this trade went down as is right? You just traded tons of cap freedom and carl landry for k-mart and his terrible contract? Wouldn’t you rather hold onto tmac, re-sign landry and go after a max as opposed to settling for K-mart? No picks and no jordan hill means they would do just that
their whole shit is that they need a good 2guard
and they get a variety pack of forwards to replace landry.
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getting martin is a lot better than having to take on dalembert to get iggy.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
also didnt Martin break into the league with Adelman? So Rick knows exactly what he is getting.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
from what i've seen
probably similar the original t-mac deal. haven’t seen anything about picks, though. we’ll know a lot more once donnie walsh wakes up and has his coffee and pickle. that’s right: pickle.
i already hated myself for following all this crap so much
ill hate myself a whole lot more if all that happens is this darko trade and nate for boston’s leftovers.
That piss poor deal surrendering draft picks and Jordan Hill was too close for comfort. This almost happened : Insider View of Morey-Walsh Negotiations. Definitely not for the eyes of Walsh’ apologists.
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wow..
umm….late?
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
not that nate would agree to go there but wasnt Sac always chasing nate?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
we traded nate for pennies on the dollar
if we don’t get rid of pretty much everybody else, we completely failed at the deadline. and we can forget about any type of free asians caring about new york, other than to drive up the market prices.
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i really hope there's a draft pick in there
otherwise, it seems pointless. to be fair, though, nate was gonzo anyway.
what a let down
unbelieveable, thats what you get for holding out. and this new trade with sacramento from their point of view is screaming WHY?
sacramento is unlikely to get a max free agent to go there so they might be more willing to take on jeffries if they can get hill and cash out of it.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj7lovu
knicks give 2nd round pick to hou to get sergio and 3 mil in cash to sac.
sorry, didnt know those things take forever to load
sac gets: jeffries, hughes, landry, hill, 3 mil cash (maybe 2012 pick)
hou gets: kevin martin, kenny thomas, hilton armstrong 2nd rounder
nyk get: tmac, sergio rodriguez.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really see what is in it for the Kings
They basically take on Jeffries contract, for Hill and a 1st round draft pick that is bound to be garbage if you guys get two max FA’s this summer. I think they would be better off just dealing with Houston straight up.
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jeffries only has 1 year left, so it’s not that awful it is just awful for the knicks cause they want 2 max players. sac is never going to get one so for 3 mil and basically 2 1st, cant hurt them.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think it can hurt them
I agree they likely wouldnt lure one of the max guys there, but you never know until you try. They also are a team that is hurting financially, they could probably use all the savings they can scrap together, especially if they sign one of the 2nd tier free agents…
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but hurting financially could be a reason to do it since they get 3 mil from the knicks immediately as far as i understand the cash considerations in trades. jeffries come next year actually becomes a tradeable asset as he will be expiring so i dont see them having to keep him the whole year.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
more likely it would just be expiring for expiring in something like mobley, hughes, cash for tmac
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I dont really know, I dont follow the kings or knicks all that closely,especially from a financial standpoint
The 3 mil would be nice, but next year they pay Hill and Jeffries 10 mil that would probably be better off used on a FA that will likely have a lot bigger impact than JJ and Hill. I guess we will see what happens, it sounds like you guys are definitely in the talks for Tmacs expiring so who knows…
Just saw your post below, that might make some sense as well. I have Jeffries on my fantasy team in a really deep league, so I kind of want to see him stay here where he gets butt loads of minutes. I am selfish like that :) I know that is probably the last thing a knick fan wants to see though. Good luck today…
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WALSH
HES GOT TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING NOW, ENOUGHS ENOUGH
and you
have jus got raped by morey!!…. i trust in walsh.. he has not shown any despiration and i believe he will get jeffries off this team.
Morey's trying to make Walsh look like Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
I SEE
I see how sacto in the end saves money by ultimately sheddng Martin and only adding Jeffries… but why do it? Isnt the Houston trade already complete. Also any news on Nate? His deal still isnt done… that gives the impression theres more to come
sac does it to get 3 mil in cash which basically pays 1/2 of jeffries, plus getting hill and the pick. as far as i understand the deal isnt finalized and everything i have seen still says sac could deal mcgrady to ny, even if it was a separate deal. only way to get sergio would be in a 3 way trade i think, but the knicks sac side could be done without houston.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
the bigger question for me is if the knicks would do it, but the pipe dream of two max guys mike make walsh do it.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
can we get the clippers on the horn?
we need to get rid of a purposeless point guard from duke. they took one from temple. we can take a first round pick in exchange. and maybe brent barry.
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not to offend the celtics haters
but i actually like eddie house.
i hate the fact that nate is gonna go to boston and most likely be a wrecking ball for them, and we will look like total idiots, and in fact we will be.
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i love nate too
but his style isnt a good fit for this offense.. he fits much better in a role where he isnt asked to distribute the rock.
i think he shoulda went to LA personally, b/c boston is on there way out. but hey, good luck nate. and hopefully we get more than just House…details will pop up sooner or later on the net
if we get scalabrine
i get to punch everybody in the front office square in the face
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speaking of the C’s if they think the move for Nate helps them contend this year with the lakers or the new cavs then ainge is crazy.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Good job WALSH
All that holding out with tmac has possibly cost the knicks the tmac trade…
or is walsh an even bigger gambler than we’ve come to realize. his hold out on giving up the entire farm for tmac and dorsey has turned into possibly getting tmac and s-rod.
if this happends. walsh IS the man. – but thats a long ways away.. i havent been this excited over trade deadline since we got marbury! lmao
The way this is looking...
the Kings have entirely too many PF’s on the roster with adding Landry, Dorsey to the roster.
Me thinks the Knicks get involved.
Hopefully Walsh isn’t desperate enough to give up the farm here. I like that he’s sticking to his guns. Seems like he’s refusing to get bent over…which is good.
Morey’s gotta realize that Walsh was the “genius GM” when Morey was shitting up his Huggies.
Hopefully now that we’d be dealing with the Kings, they can get a better looking deal out of this.
Get me Sergio Rodriguez….and then make Duhon go on an episode of Man vs. Wild with Bear Grylls.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 8:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
they did dump kenny thomas and hilton armstrong in terms of big bodies evening out, but it would allow them to sell either thompson or hawes for other pieces.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
the only way to make this deadline successful FOR ME
is to dump jeffries and parts and receve:
mcgrady, joey dorsey, tyrus thomas and sergio rodriguez.
and I KNOW donnie walsh is trying to make me hapy
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well I'll be praying to Pat Ewing's weed God's
that they get a 1st rounder from Boston in the Nate trade and parlay that instead of Jordan Hill.
..much rather Boston’s 2010 pick, swap 2011 picks and give the 2012 pick then have Hill subbed in any one of those.
Unless they really don’t wanna give him a chance and/ or they really think his $3mill contract is worth getting rid of.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I would be happy if...
Donnie Walsh gets anything done, because the GM’s throughout the NBA hate the Knicks so much.
Danz
sort of echoing what you found from the post Seth
The Kings last minute deal with Houston was a huge wrinkle and a great move for Houston. Word is the Kings could ultimately send McGrady to Houston for a similar package of assets being offered to Houston. The catch is Sacramento is not going to take on Jared Jeffries, so the real question is will New York part with Jordan Hill in a deal that does not move out Jeffries?
Both teams are expected to resume talks with additional trade partners today, its expected at least a third team could join this deal – its assumed to be New York, although league sources say it could swell into something silly as the deal is big enough to absorb contract issues because of the 25% plus or minus rule and other looking for ways to offset salary issues could toss cash or additional draft picks into the equation to get their deals “cleaned” up.
so as i said above maybe it is just mobley and hughes expirings plus cash to get tmac.
id be upset.
b/c that means that the knicks believe he could actually be an asset to this teams progress..not just a juicy contract off the books
this makes no sense....
The only purpose of getting McGrady is b/c of his contract.
…I can’t believe they’d actually think he could be worth it to stay here.
…I mean, just giving up the exiprings doesn’t exactly hurt the Knicks…but the point was to get rid of Jeffires.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
but walsh didnt want to “pay the toll” to get rid of jeffries in the deal, so maybe he finds someone else who will take it for the price. call kahn back.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
there are lots of things working against the knicks in their quest to dump jared
1. economy means a lot of teams are losing money and many are looking to cut cost
2. a lot of teams (like the knicks) have been cutting salary for this summer in hopes of FA
3. no team wants to help the knicks become relevant again by getting 2 huge FA’s cause they gave the knicks cap space.
it would probably have to be a team that is going to be over the cap anyway with no hope of free agents, an owner who doesnt mind the salary and a team looking to get younger. Potential spot, San Antonio. They have been looking to get younger and rumored in on Ty Thomas for expiring deals and probably a 1st. They are going to be either right at or over the cap next summer anyway unless they can dump McDyess and or Richard Jefferson. Giving them Jeffries to be the new Bowen type, Hill as a yound forward and a pick that might end up late 1st (with their success in that area) might get it done. doubtful, but maybe.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
The Knicks contacted the Milwaukee Bucks Wednesday about the availability of Luke Ridnour, but the talks stalled when the Knicks wanted to expand the deal to include Jared Jeffries, according to a source close to the talks.
Donnie Walsh’s main focus has been trying to unload Jeffries in a deal with Houston.
real gm.
And can we all agree that, because the Bulls just moved Salmons,
the Thomas/Harrington odds just went way up? Their only SF is now Deng, and they just got a Thomas-clone in Warrick.
Just saying.
i hope you're right
and i agree with you too.
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think
Morey pulled this deal with Sacto out of spite because he didn’t like how Walsh seemed to have him over a barrel. Now, Kevin Martin’s a very good player, but I think it’s stupid for them to give up Landry in that deal, plus take on all those years of Martin, who’s been injury prone….
Shoot, I was getting used to the idea of having McGrady and a ton of cap space, and using it to keep Lee. We’ll see what happens. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s worth it to give up Hill to dump Jeffries… but maybe it isn’t. I like that Walsh is trying to play hardball here, but I hope something happens to shake up this roster because the last three games have been pathetic.
Though I only saw the last few seconds of the game last night and the most pathetic thing I saw was Gallo’s two threes barely getting iron.
agree..
if they can’t move Jeffries in a reasonable deal, which the Rockets one wasn’t…then they still gotta shake up this mess.
Getting Harrington and Hughes as far away from this team is a must.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
real talk
only i’m pretty sure you mean duhon.
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
duhon is terrible
i was SURPRISED to see him take an open layup last night..smh… dunot, dudu, dutrademe. duSOMETHING!!
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KINGS might come out best here
in my opinion, the kings will come off as winners of this deal by far.
they knew all along that the rockets have been high on kmart for months.. and after seeing report after report of what walsh was offering for tmac, petrie must have thought he can get a two for one… all while trading away a player that they dont have a future for on there team. they tried to make kmart and evans work..but at the thought of a two for one.. i woulda traded kmart too.
after getting landry, dorsey, and blah… they now can possibly get hill/picks/ jeffries (combination of some sort)
this means for trading kmart..they get landry, plus either first rounders/hill or even both.
thats a good move
but hey, im not complaining…as long as ny rids us of jeffries and gets tmac contract..
to add
ppl who think they wont take on jeffries contract.. the kings already have players who’s contract ends in 11.. so they may arent in a FA bid this summer..and could be setting up there 011 summer bid. or use him as a trade piece next year.
If they don't take on Jeffries
All is lost … but you make a good point. Question I have is… are they going to want Hill if they have Landry and Dorsey already? Though Hill could be seen as a potential 5 I guess….. Or, I guess we would get Dorsey…..? I think Dorsey’s intriguing and would ease the sting of losing Hill. Though apparently we might get Rodgriguez in this deal which would be a good thing….
Not only do they have Landry and Dorsey
they have Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson, both of which are better than Hill and also young, cheap players with potential…
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Looking briefly at the trade machine
The way the deal might work is that the Knicks would get Rodriguez and the Rockets would get Hill, who now fills a need now that they’ve given up Landry and Dorsey.
That is certainly a possibility
But then the Kings would essentially take on Jeffries for nothing except a 1st round pick?
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Dorsey is a scrub
he’s 26 and has only played in 9 games. I don’t see what’s intriguing about a guy that can’t get off the bench for a team that lost Yao and isn’t playing McGrady.
by secret defense on Feb 18, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
wait a minute
is this even possible? are u allowed to trade a player twice within 30 days?? smh for not thinking of this b4 i posted
The trade's not official
So they are trying to expand it into a three-way before they submit it to the league and consummate it (pause)
didn't the original trade of Rasheed Wallace do down like that?
the Portland-ATL trade trade then the ATL-DET trade?
…that was a while ago and I dunno if the new CBA changed that
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is 48 hours
Drew Gooden has been traded twice in the last week. First to the wiz, and then to the clippers.
Making the trade with the knicks does come at the expense of lost cap space for the kings as well. Its not like they would get jeffries/hill/pick for absolutely nothing. That would take them out of max level cap space. Whether they can actually lure in a max guy is another discussion…
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i think the 30 day wait
has something to do with players that just signed a contract in the off season??? or some shit?
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kings
People the Kings just got 2 expirings (tmac and landry). They dumped Martin 11.1, putting them below 30 mil for 2010. Some reports even have them moving Udrih or Nocioni in the deal. If thats the case theyre below 25mil for 2010. Theres no way on Gods green earth that they take on Jeffries 7mil for 2010, its just not gonna happen
Landry has a team option for only 3 million next season
They would be crazy not to pick that option up with the production they get at that price…
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right
so the difference is 8 million… so theyre gonna use that savings to pick up jared jeffries???
I don't think they will
Unless the knicks can entice them with pick(s) and probably Hill. I have no idea whether they will bite, I don’t think I would if I were in their shoes. I would rather just have the capspace given the economy. Even if they dont sign a free agent, their capspace is essentially an instantly expiring contract in a trade and it can range from 1 mil to somewhere in the 20’s. We all have seen how valuable that can be in the nba nowadays…
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so
your saying theres no way we land tmac and trade jeffires?
maybe the boston deal has something to do with sacramento and tmac to the knicks
i dunno
I just dont see sacto trading their best player for ultimately landry, jeffries, and a few picks
I don't have a good feeling about this....
I have a feeling Jeffries will still be with us at 3:01… but maybe the Celtics are involved too at this point….? I sort of want to check the trade machine but then again it’s not in my job description….
kmart isnt their best
and they beenl looking to move him.. he is actually playing right now(not injured) so they prolly have the idea that his trade value is at a high. losing him for landry jeffries and a few picks is a win in my eyes.. especially if the idea is that they are 1st rounders.
but
losing him for landy and 8 mil in cap space is a bigger win
Key for sacto here
is whether Jeffries 2010 salary is worth a few picks from the Knicks that will likely be late first rounders…… Those can be valuable too because you can draft decent, cheap players….
i was high on hill
but right now.. i dont think hes worth more than acouple first rounders.. or even one.
he’s showed a decent shot, a good motor. and knows how to stay in front of a player on defense. but it seems he lacks the natural talent of being a bball player(if that makes sense)
even on draft night when i was like hu??? most of his scouts and video clips were of him taking advantage of smaller players and big dunks.
in recent games he doesnt show any control in his dribble in the post.
i dont think hes worth not making a tmac trade though. but i could be wrong
As a Knicks Fan, don't we like dealing with the Kings better?
We don’t have to deal with the Wizard Daryl Morey and since the Kings already got a pretty great group from the Rockets, they might not want as much. I mean, they’re obviously not keeping TMac because they just shipped out KMart for not getting along well chemistry wise with ’Reke and TMac is definitely not who you want alongside your young superstar.
we'll see as everything becomes official
cuz he doesn’t seem like a “wizard” if he’s giving up Carl Landry for Kevin Martin, who’s about as injury prone as an NBA player can get and oh yea, has a long term contract
Overall tho its pretty disappointing if all they do is Free Darko for a Cardinal and trade Nate for Boston’s overflowing septic tank.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
doesnt look good on the Ty thomas front
Sources say that Knicks-Bulls talks on Tyrus Thomas trade have lost traction. “A long shot now,” one official says.
-Wojnarowski
The Bobcats are close to landing Tyrus Thomas in a deal with the Bulls that would send expiring contracts and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.
-realgm
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
I WANT A 1ST ROUND PICK!
Damn you Larry Brown.
then u should have traded Al for Tyrus early in the year and could have gotten one for him now.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
god damn it walsh
this is spiraling out of control now…
bad news there too
Knicks’ sources reached this morning described acquiring Tracy McGrady now as “complicated” and openly questioned whether giving up trade assets today would benefit the team .
The story from the New York side seems to be if they cannot offload Jared Jeffries to the Kings or some third team in a deal, they may sit out a McGrady deal and look to sign him when he’s eventually bought out from Sacramento.
The Knicks seem to be scaling back their interest in a deal, sources said there will be conversations today about McGrady because the Knicks would like to hold his Bird Right for a possible deal next year, but expectations inside the team have dropped, mainly because making a deal now would be complex and remove almost all of New York’s trade assets to make a deal.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
or maybe good news depending on your opinion of the trade.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
wow…maybe they actually want McGrady?
if that’s so…maybe less cap space is better? If they want McGrady actually on the team then their assessment of talent is a bit skewed, no?
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Kings want Mcgrady for the exact same reason you guys do
big time expiring $$$
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not good news
if thats the case.. we end up adding salary? so we will actually be trying to catch lightning in a bottle after all.
cmon walsh.. shoot the 3..make this happen. 2010 was the goal from jump st. we’ve done a great job so far. so lets get the deal made
Hm
It appears the opportunity to take the big risk of giving up Hill and picks in exchange for cap space and McGrady may have passed…. So it appears that the Knicks have taken the safe route here.
Sad thing is for me if the Jeffries dump doesn’t happen – that it may mean David Lee’s Knick days are numbered…..
From TKB:
11:45- Nate- "This is a sad day for me as well but I have tears of joy I accomplished something no one has done, 3X slam dunk champion! Thanks to my fans…Love yall for the support over the years, since my rookie year my fans have made it EZ 4 me to LOVE NYC the best place on earth word aapp…"
I’ll miss the little guy.
Arn Tellem has told the New York Post’s Marc Berman that the Knicks are still involved in three-way trade talks with Sacramento and Houston centered around Tracy McGrady.
According to Tellem, the same players may be involved but potentially without the picks.
the only way sac takes jeffries is really if tellem is the one that drives it because he has their franchise player in Evans under his control.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions
i wasnt talking about jeffries but moving t-mac on.
all elam can do is kick fg’s.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's it, I'm taking a break until 3PM
so you ladies and gentlemen then. Good luck Knicks.
@WojYahooNBA Charlotte is close to acquiring Chicago’s Tyrus Thomas for Acie Law, Flip Murray and a future first-round pick, sources say.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions
C Johnson of the Chicago Tribune is reporting the Bulls will receive Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander in their deal with Milwaukee, not Kurt Thomas as originally reported. The Bulls are finalizing the deal now, should make an announcement shortly.
so the bulls managed to dump salmons extra year, replace thomas with warrick and net a future first. that’s how you manage a deadline.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions
They are trading flip murray, 20mpg 39%fg
and Acie Law, a player not even in the rotation. Basically its a mediocre player and a 1st rounder for a former #2 pick that still has boat loads of potential if he can screw his head on straight. Its not that crazy at all…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
the good news is
The nate deal still hasnt been finalized so theres more to come
yea im taking a break
this is like watching a giants game….they lose for 3 quarters and almost always seem to come back in teh 4th
be back later
so if thomas is off the table does that mean Al is staying?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions
maybe a bigger deal is in the works now.
w/ harrington and hughs as trade pieces. and the nate deal still under the table= i dont know what to expect, but i expect something outrageous
when does the hill and picks + harrington and change for amare rumor start?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yahoo! reporting that Charlotte/Chicago trade is now awaiting league approval. Charlotte had the better first round pick on the table, and get Thomas for Flip Murray, Acie Law, and the pick.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's a lot
For a Tyrus Thomas Rental. A first and a former first (Law). That’s a better deal than Harrington.
Now were talkin business
kings looking for david lee
this is nuts
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
at least
atleast it makes the “jeffries talks continuing” make sense
yea
but we’re talking to the two most overstocked teams at the 4 on the league.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
sauce?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
i dont care tbh
lets put all our marbles in the basket.I dont mind waiting another 8 yyears if we fuck up
JETS
i would give up lee
i just dont think he is in donnies plan now
JETS
gonna be interesting
to see if Walsh gets Dolans approval for any Lee deal…
i thought the kings
have to many big men
JETS
by michael28102 on Feb 18, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
IF He does get traded
we instantly are worse than the nets
JETS
by michael28102 on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
are u the jazz? then dont worry about what they care about.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
if you could get them to take jeffries deal and give up thompson and casspi u have to do it…you get the cap space you need and two very good young cheap players when lee is probably walking anyway cause walsh thinks he can get bigger names.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions
only bad thing
Only downer on this is rumor is with Lee’s bird rights we esentially have him in our back pockets going into this season, now it makes it do or die (unless we keep the picks)
Why are some of you bashing Walsh?
It’s not his fault our former GM created an unmovable contract. I’m sure he is doing the best he can without getting raped and losing all of our draft picks. You guys got to chillax and just be happy that even if we don’t move Jeffries we are still under the cap next year.
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hes been stubborn
Hes had ample opportunities to move Jeffries this week and has held out to give up less
in a good way...
He’s not openly accepting to rape as Isiah Thomas was.
I like a GM that stands up.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Srsly
Remember when the Bulls had the right to swap and how we don’t have a first rounder this year? Nobody liked that but now everybody wants to give up picks in 2011 and 2012.
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id say
about 95% of the breathless Walsh-bashing is coming from one guy. i think we’re mostly pretty level-headed.
any chance the kings would give up landry if they got lee? that could make the whole t-mac thing very interesting.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
hmmm.....
interesting.
I’d take Landry’s overall skilset over Lee
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Marcus can say how he’s got more teeth then Carl
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Too busy laughing
and pulling up excel spreadsheet everytime a coworker walks by.
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shoulda ssaid
“everytime i see a co-worker coming”
we could run with that
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lmao
im doing the same daym thing… shoudl they pay attention. my spreadsheet looks the same each time lol
I switched to spreadsheets
I can only refresh Lotus Notes so many times.
Stingy you be philosophizing in the pause on the reg.
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Chod Ford didn't have to write that....
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Amick of the Sacramento Bee is reporting that the Kings are looking for the Knicks to include David Lee in any deal they make with New York.
Sources close to this situation hinted at this scenario this morning, saying that the only way Sacramento would consider taking Jared Jeffries’ contract would be if it included David Lee.
Seems like the Knicks need to decide how important moving off Jeffries’ contract really is to their 2010 free agency plans and whether they can get David Lee to agree to a deal, knowing he’d lose his Bird Rights in the transaction.
As things stand today the Kings are looking at roughly $21 million in future cap space, would they agree to giving Lee $10-$12 million of it today? That is likely what it would take to get his blessing.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions
dont think
dont think lee loses bird rights in a trade
yes because he signed a 1 yr deal he would, which is why like nate he needs to give his permission
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why Lee will not sign off
Giving up his Bird rights does nothing but hurt him…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
i never said he would sign off, but what good are his bird rights to him if the team that holds them doesnt plan on using them?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
again not saying he would or should sign off.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck YES!
This is what I wanted to start with.
Get rid of Lee and his matador D and Jeffires or Curry.
What I wanted in the beginning of the season for chrissakes
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't see that.
…checks again..aaaand, nope, still don’t
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Chad Ford writes that the Knicks need Lee’s permission to trade him to Sacramento and that the team won’t receive it.
by Frank E on Feb 18, 2010 9:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chod Ford didn’t have to write that….
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Chad Ford one of David Lee's balls?
he doesn’t know that for certain. Either do you.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
we’re all balls to Darko
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
if we dump lee
anything less than curry would be unciilized
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League source: There will be “Fireworks” if Kings don’t trade Tracy McGrady to New York:
ha
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions
QUICK!
hide the stash! Warden’s here!
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
'Fireworks' Between Tellem, Kings If They Don't Deal T-Mac To Knicks
"If they don’t trade Tracy," one source involved in the talks said Thursday morning, "there’s going to be some fireworks."
Tellem is one of the NBA’s most influential agents and represents Tyreke Evans.
here is a crazy trade that works according to the cap.
knicks get: t-mac, carl landry, sergio rodriguez
sac gets: hughes, lee, jeffries, dorsey
hou get: martin, kenny thomas, armstrong
with picks and cash probably in there as well.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions
yeah
they could waive a physical. i don’t think any of these teams give a shit about what hughes brings to the court.
so is tmac officially a member of the kings right now?
or is there still 3way potential
no the houston sac deal isnt official yet.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
heat now looking for boozer again
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64840/20100218/jazz_heat_discuss_boozer_trade/
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions
Yo Arn Motherfucking Tellem
Might seriously save our balls right here. Dude is crazy connected and prob got orders from upstairs to make sure this goes down. I’m likin it.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions
via yahoo sports
If the trade expands to three teams, one official involved in the talks predicted as many as 15 players could be moved. The official described the talks as "fluid and complicated." Among the variations being proposed, Knicks guard Larry Hughes(notes) would likely be sent to Sacramento. Forward Al Harrington(notes) also could be moved. Forward Jared Jeffries(notes), whose contract the Knicks are trying to clear from their salary cap, could go to Houston.
sports.yahoo.com/nba
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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haha
Your ID is stingy D and you dont wanna let nate go???
NOBODY ON THE TEAM PLAYS DEFENSE
and i want to trade jared jeffries….
figure it out bum
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That's a real highschool ya know
Ran against them at Penn Relays in highschool a bunch of years ago.
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I'm handcuffed.
I can’t post pictures or anything from work. This thread could be MAGICAL.
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http://twitter.com/wmarv
i can post pictures...
what should i do? you guys got me all miffled
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http://aightthen.tumblr.com/
are goat testicles involved?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
why the fuck do the kings have to get involved
fuck the kings!
JETS
maybe because they already have t-mac if they want him.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
@WojYahooNBA For the Kings to take Jared Jeffries, they’re also asking for David Lee and picks in N.Y., source says. Guess how that’s going over at MSG?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions
gotta do it
cmon david its been real but head to napa valley for the spring
imagine on the same ty thomas nets a future 1st david lee has to be traded with picks just to get rid of jeffries.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yo how is it that Lee needs to agree?
hes got a notrade clause? I thought only Kobe had that
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions
is it cuz theyre BYC?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
no it’s cause he signed a 1 yr as an RFA.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
except nate put it out there
that he would accept LA, orlando, or boston.. he knew he was out of the plans… Dlee is another story… he’s a die hard NYker.. and i dont see him agreeing to anything.. i kinda feel bad for him
Nate deal
still not finalized (2nd NY player not included yet) gotta be more to come
Multiple sources say the Knicks have reached a tentative agreement on a deal with Boston sending Nate Robinson and a second player to the Celtics for Eddie House, J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker. The identity of the second New York player was not immediately clear.
-Chris Sheridan
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13538/knicks-celtics-have-tentative-agreement
Aslong as that fucking leperchaun isn't included then whatever.
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I still am puzzled at the true meaning of WOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRDDDDDD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP
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Marcus Landry will be the other player sent to Boston, according to a source that spoke with RealGM’s Christopher Reina.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
so basically we get shyt back for nate
except a 3 pt shooting wingman….
whats the word on giddens…nnever seen the guy play
Its all chaff
just saves us a few bucks and gets Nate out of Coach D’s hair. More Duhon thought, right!?!?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but jeez
a year ago nate was all it took to shed jeffries
Try and forget man
Aint no use now.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
just sayin
hes at least some type of asset, couldve held out for somethin. but i guess he named the 3 teams
he's on a one year and the knicks can only take back half his $ as a BYC
he also isnt very good.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno
just dont see the point of helping out the c’s unless it helps out us, at least a 2nd rd pick
@WojYahooNBA Utah and Miami have recruited Wiz to be 3rd team in Boozer talks. Wash would get cap relief out of it. Beasley not involved, source says.
wow the wiz are whoring themselves out to everyone at this point, but they are getting cap space.
woooorrrrd aaaaaappp
did i use it right?
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and it’s relevant cause boozer to miami makes wade more likely to stay there or go to chicago w the space they have created the last 24 hours.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
wade stays in miami
but if boozer goes to miami- david lee might not want to play for them. which is the real story.
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somewhat strange for the jazz as well as they have been going lately.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
if they decline on josh howard and void gilbert they will have hardly any salary
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
wont void gilbert
players union would flip
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
next order of business
move to the midwest and get uniforms that appear very knick-ish
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only thing
only thing is the wizards actually made moves… the knicks have done SHIT
uh oh, now we wait to see what the cost was.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
this could either be a fine day or an awful one
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
hard to fathom im holding my breath from tracy mcgrady
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
*for Tracy McGrady
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
disgusting....
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
oh man
oh man oh man oh man
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Kings get Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and Larry Hughes’ expiring contract . . . all just filed to ESPN.com. Link coming momentarily
half a minute ago from TweetDeck T-Mac and Sergio Rodriguez to NYK; Kev Martin/Jared Jeffries/swap of 2011 first with Knicks and 2012 first from Knicks to Houston AND
less than a minute ago from TweetDeck
that sounds like the old deal minus hill?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
donnie walsh wins
he played hardball and won. Yes!
Wait are the picks protected!
JETS
I thought Donnie Walsh was terrible.
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@WojYahooNBA Kings send TMac and Rodriguez to NY, Kevin Martin, Jared Jeffries and picks to HOU and Larry Hughes, Landry and Dorsey to Sac, source says
“baaaaaah donnie walsh is a retard!!!! blahblahblah” -halpy, via text.
by riise on Feb 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so Hill kept, prob had to leave 2012 unprotected tho...
fine with me
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions
partially cause he got hou to take jeffries not sac.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Now 90 minutes to dump Harrington somewhere!!!
back on the phones DONNIE!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions
WojYahooNBA
T-Mac just texted a friend, giddy, saying: “I’m a New York Knick!”
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haha
this is the best
i’m okay with the swap and the 2012 pick being gone, if we keep Hill.
protection on the picks would be nice, but not a deal breaker.
by latrell chokewell on Feb 18, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
this worked out pretty damn well
cap space and NO MORE CHRIS DUHON AS OUR STARTING POINT
i wish
duhon will finish his career as a knick tho.
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Gotta be to Sac
They got hosed otherwise
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions
But
haha o man
even after the trades over theres still conflicting reports… i dont really give a rats behind as long as jeffries was moved
and hughes
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
trifecta if we can move Harrington now.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
thatd be really great
doesnt seem like any teams are interested tho right?
Hill or no Hill?
my reaction to this trade weighs heavily on whether Hill was involved.
i’ve been a big proponent of clearing cap space just like everyone else, but giving up 2009 (Hill), 2011 (swap), and 2012 First Round picks just to roll the dice this summer seems counter-productive.
Donnie should know there’s a fine line between being aggressive and reckless.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 18, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions
2011
i dont think we even lose that pick, we’ll be better than houston
what does
teh “right to switch” mean.
if we have a better season can they decline and stick with there pick?
Yup
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Chicago did it three years ago.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
that pick ended up being LaMarcus Aldridge…
(slams head into table).
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
WOOHOO
Thanks for the assets, New York! Now to see how much protection is on that 2012 pick.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Screw you!
Rangers, Royals, Raiders, Knicks...the man loves a winner.
by self loather on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
New starting lineup?
Rodriguez
Tmac
Gallo
Wil
Lee
Small lineup but hopefully we just push the ball nonstop and play real Dantoni ball
Up until this afternoon we were getting that fucking leperchaun scalabrine
I don’t trust anything yet.
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so walsh got nervous and caved…morey wins huge here cause he got martin added to what he was going to get yesterday
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
what do we know about sergio rodriguez?
why do we instantly assume this kid becomes our starter when hes the 4th PG in Sac and we already start Duhon regardless of how bad he plays?
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions
Hollinger says he's played real well
He’s a pass first guy. Not a great shooter. Lil flashy.
I’ve always liked him. Should be a good uptempo guuy
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
the package (pause)
seems to be a little much.
essentially three first round picks to clear out of Jeffries’ deal.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well
really we only lose one. And if it is a good summer we won’t even switch with Hou
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 18, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
someone said it earlier
better to trade someone who MIGHT be good for someone who is ACTUALLY good.
I like Hill too, but hardly any guarantees on potential. We compare to Ariza and Frye, who werent good with us but have become better on other teams. Ariza is nice, but hes not THAT nice…
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
nice than Steve Francis...
i hate you, Isiah.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 18, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
sick.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
So in the end
The difference between this trade and the one yesterday is we traded Jordan Hill for Sergio and pick protection.
Yup, and I'm ok with that... fills a need at PG and some pick insurance..
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
its funny how peeps are goin apeshit over here.
wish you had a whistle.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I was
really hoping we would get Dorsey though.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Twitter = drama
this is bonkers
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
so walsh “held out” for top 5 protection in 2012?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
right, you thinking what I'm thinking? Top 5 ONLY?
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
i guess thats incase
we dont get anyone
JETS
by michael28102 on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad it got done
I have a feeling Hill will be good, not great…. and I like having that extra space because I think it means keeping Lee…
Also I think McGrady has something left.
Nope i prefer bosh
if home grown means something y would we dump hill and nate today
and bosh is better at all parts of his game than lee
JETS
Agreed
the homegrown factor is way overblown. Bosh is far and away the better player
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 18, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
there is no "Homegrown" in the NBA.
this isnt MLB with the Minor Leagues.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions
It almost feels like it with David though
He played with a bunch of bums on teams that weren’t going anywhere, and all the while used his time with us to greatly improve his (offensive, mainly) game.
hes just been a Knick since he was drafted
not the same. and we didnt have Hill for more than half a year.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
from chad ford
Correction: Knicks pick in 2011 is Top 1 protected. In 2012 the Knicks pick is Top 5 protected
It's all in Summer 2010
Potential Starting Lineup:
Sergio
T-Mac
Gallinari
Lebron
Bosh
Chandler 6th man
Other Potential Starting Lineup
Toney Douglas
Chandler
Gallinari
D-Lee
Uh…Eddy Curry?
Sixth man: The exhumed corpse of Brian Cardinal
Wow, talk about sink or swim
waaay 2 early for either of those
with waaay too many possibilities… save the speculation for this season and how tmac is going to perform.. maybe walsh got the ‘lightning in bottle’
2011 top 1 protected
It would have been great to sit it on the negotiation…it somehow ended with “ok top 1 protected?” “fine”
Interesting that the Nate deal has been held up until this one was done
It looks like it will include Bill Walker, who actually is not expiring, but has a small contract. I think that’s OK, since they’ve cleared out Jeffries and Hill…
Are the Knicks getting that first rounder from Boston tho?
so NBA TV has Eric Snow and some white guy commentating.
they are A.W.F.U.L.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions
no it was mark fein hosting, he is a moron.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
he wouldnt say his name
good thing. I would Google it and find his address and launch a brick
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
this on the other hand
is not so cool. why no pick, and why oh why do we take on salary, even if walker has a very small amount next year? we’re already not quite at the 2 max level
Well
We have to have 15 players under contract. I guess we could sign nine players for the vet minimum but that’s pretty impractical.
Only need to have 12 players under contract actually
12 min, 15 max
ok
so is he on the same minimum that the cap is filled out with then? i guess its just a wash then. sad we couldn’t get anything useful, but if a player basically lists which team they will or won’t go to, and one says they won’t take them (orlando) i suppose there’s no leverage.
Deal is done, says ESPN
We dump Hughes, Hill, Jeffries, swap picks in 11, give up 12, in return get TMac and Sergio
Boy the Rockets
Make out really well here:
Kevin Martin, former 25ppg scorer
Jeffries
Hill
2012 pick
The better of 2011 picks
Of course, this does not turn them into real contenders either. It just improves their offensive efficiency.
yea.
morey made out like a bandit. smart guy.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Morey took on two GMs at once…. pause
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but
he had to give up landry , who was avg 16 a game and signed for 3 mil next year, a HUGE asset who was not included in previous deals
also
landry was there only servicable big.. even if his defense wasnt great.
it looks well on paper tho.
funny how on the houston blog they are talking championship in 2011
Well heres what were thinking
We have Yao coming back next year. Our core of Brooks,Yao, Ariza and now Martin and Hill will be intact. We have battier on the roster as a tradeable asset. We have 2 2012 first rounders to throw around. And we got another young guard over seas that might be over here next year in Sergio Lull(sp). Our future looks pretty good even when you throw in Jeffries crap contract. And our owner has gone on record as saying he will spend over the luxury tax limit to get a ring in houston.
hill i think will be good
but is a project.
and for the sake of your fan-ness i hope kmartin doesnt pull a tmacv.2
True
But look at this lineup
Yao
Scola
Battier/Ariza
Martin
Brooks
Hayes
J-Hill
Ariza/Battier
Budinger
Lowry
Budinger and Cook as well.
Good team.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
So I couldn't stay away till 3,
did we trade the Knicks for the Nets in the two hours I was gone?
Only #1 protected next year
Really don’t like it – that means even if the big FAs don’t come this summer, Donnie is going to spend all the cap room instead of being patient.
espn.com already has a pick of tmac in a knicks uniform
From the article it says we did give up hill 2011 pick is number 1 protected and 2012 is 1-5 protected……we got jerked
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by zlander on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ESPN:
“A source close to the negotiations told ESPN NBA Insider Chad Ford that the Knicks’ pick is top-1 protected in 2011 and top-5 protected in 2012.”
That’s not too bad then, right? I mean, assuming we don’t just fucking tank this summer and next.
And if we don't get what we want this summer then what?
Donnie signs Boozer and Gay (and doesn’t wait for Melo etc.) just so he won’t get embarrassed with the pick?
He wont do that
and if he does, it wont be for max money. Then when curry expires sign melo or someone comparable. Still good, just not as good
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
well if we are worst in the league we are guaranteed a top 4 pick.
i woulda felt much better if they were top 10 protected
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
WojYahooNBA It appears Knicks will hold onto Al Harrington at deadline, source says. He had been bait for Tyrus Thomas, but he’s gone to Charlotte.
are there enough basketballs or do Gallo and Chandler just not get to shoot with T-mac coming and Al not leaving.
al's minutes
ar going to the sixth man role. or with the presence of house..our outside shooting threat will bepretty good
minutes never stand in the way of shot attempts for al, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
we have 36 minutes to get rid of al harrington
he has no place on this team anymore
I agree completely.
He doesn’t want to be here, we don’t want him here, Gallo/Chandler can have his minutes.
I still can’t believe J-Hill’s gone. We barely knew ye.
We have
So many shooters
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions
nate for house and no picks
was an awful deal. if nate and dantoni hate eachother so much, get rid of dantoni.
I don't agree with that per se
but I don’t like the D’Antoni system of favrotisim – “I don’t like him, yo Donnie, get him out of here.”
You work with what you’re given.
I think this is wrong
D’Antoni and Walsh came in to discover who on the motley crew of the knicks roster should stay. It’s their team to make. D’Antoni absolutely gave Nate a shot to work in the system he wanted, to be a player they could keep for the future. It didn’t work out.
This is a player’s league, but the knicks are a front office team right now. At least until they let LeBron pick the roster he wants next year.
what has dantoni done to shows hes a good coach?
the team is mentally not there on a nightly basis, he’s not getting any more wins than isiah in 06
he was great coach for them
doesnt make him a great coach for every team.
It says something
that you’re putting more credence in your impression of the player you think Nate is than in the tangible 60 win juggernaut D’Antoni crafted in Phoenix
seriously, what talent is really on this team besides wil, gallo and lee. nate was always a headache for every oach he played for
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Lee,
and T-Mac if he’s even half of what he used to be
by bluecheese999 on Feb 18, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
never wilson is going to be soemthing good, at least 20ppg 5rbs 1stl 3ast and 1.5 blks a game
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Long term I'd definitely take Wil over T-Mac
but not over Lee. Lee is already averaging 20 ppg and he gets 11 rbs and 3 asts a game.
by bluecheese999 on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
means nothing if your losing, even worse when your losing because you let everyone in the paint. we dont even get killed by three point or mid range shooting its points in the paint. whose in the paint?
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that Lee's defense sucks
but it doesn’t help that he’s playing out of positon every night. Also, it’s not like Wil is such a great defender either, though he is definitely better than Lee.
by bluecheese999 on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
ben wallace isnt a natural center neither. charles barkley was 6"6. effort is what separates good from great. david lee is another david west. midrange jumper can take it to the basket and rebounds but defensively soft
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ben Wallace is also about as good offensively as Lee is defensively
and Charles Barkley is one of the greatest players ever. Nobody said Lee is as good as Barkley was.
by bluecheese999 on Feb 18, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
and lee is shit, that all star status was bullshit. he doesnt play defense at all, idc wat anyone says, if you play center or power forward you should be trying to control the interior. he lets every one past him
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
what CAN he do? he is a One-man frontline
What, you think Al Harrington steps in to help? Everyone stands at the 3pt line while Lee is tryin to stay in position for a rebound between 3 guys. You gotta stop with this shit about Lee so bad on D. He’s not good, fine. But You need other people to put bodies on guys not just stand around watching!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
the whole team is defensively bad ok i get it, but lee is the interior, and he gets punished by big men too, blame is on every1 but dont tell me if your lee you cant put a hand up
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
an arm isnt gonna cut it when you're 6'9"
and the opposition is generally 6’11" and taller. Yet Lee STILL manages to clean the glass. And I cannot stress enough that other teams have TWO guys crashing boards. So Lee blocks out Horford….who stops Josh Smith?
Kendrick Perkins…Kevin Garnett. Marc Gasol…. Zach Randolph. Marcus Camby (well..)… Chris Kaman. Bynum..Gasol,Odom… See where this is going? We have ONE guy.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 18, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
WojYahooNBA Charlotte and Indiana in serious talks on deal that would send T.J. Ford to Bobcats for package that includes D.J. Augustine, source says.
seriously charlotte would trade for ford who has an 8.5 mil option and the knicks cant get in with a duhon or whatever to get augustin? wow.
Under salary cap rules we can't trade Duhon for Augustin
their salaries don’t match up and Charlotte traded away both of their expiring contracts in the Tyrus Thomas deal today.
by bluecheese999 on Feb 18, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
no fooling it cant be straight up but they are talking about taking on an 8.5 mil contract.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Charlotte and Indiana is close, but sources say not done. FIve players for now, including Ford and Rush for Augustine, Henderson and Nazr.
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
how does this benefit charlotte at all…good move for bird and the pacers.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 18, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
If Tracy McGrady becomes the leader of this team
…well, it’s emblematic of this team lately.
harrington for tyrus thomas wouldve been nice
im dissapointed that al is still on the team. buyout?
any way we buy mcgrady out?
i dont want him to play i just want his contract. he wants to play for a contender anyways. from now on knicks should want to play for NY unlike nate robinson
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he wants to play for new york, it was his 1st choice
and walsh thinks he can help out, so he wont be bought out
he still goes on the cap if he gets bought out
so no difference really
Not quite
You save about 1.4 mil in cap space if you buy him out.
i think it depends on the amount of the buyout
they spread the buyout across the length of the contract, so the savings would be the (contract – buyout)
i think
and nate loved the knicks
which is why he signed a cheap 1 year contract, he didnt even look at other teams
and other teams didnt look at him
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think for shits and giggles,
MDA should start
PG – Eddie House
SG – J.R. Giddens
SF – Bill Walker
PF – TMac
C – SRod
WHO ARE THESE KNICKS? WILDCARD, BITCHES
if these are the wildcard knicks
is daryl morey the oil man in from dallas who cut the brakes on the knicks’ season?
by latrell chokewell on Feb 18, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Soo...I guess Walsh basically got raped
but since they protected the picks, it was with a condom?
Am I reading this right?
Gongrats Sac-Town and Houtson…you just raped Donnie Walsh.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
what to do with the $32M?
i guess lebron+bosh is best case scenario.
i dont want to keep lee, he plays no D
hill was the chillest guy, btw
talked to him a few times after games. his jeep had the biggest rims ive ever seen
my starting 5
TD/ with sergio proving himself
Tmac/swap of td-chandler
gallo/harrington
chandler/lee
lee/give curry minuets
really wish Harrington was gone....
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we can trade this bloated thread
and clear space for 1 July.
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
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