Knicks Deal for Tracy McGrady, Sergio Rodriguez, assorted Celtics
Hey you. Yes, you. Take a deep breath. Close your eyes and go to your happy place if you need to. Whatever it takes to get relaxed. I'll wait.
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Good? Good. You'll need to stay relaxed, because we're back to waiting now. The Knicks, it seems, are done making deals. Let's recap what went down.
The Knicks were part of a three-way trade with the Rockets and Kings.
Leaving the Knicks in this deal are Jordan Hill, Larry Hughes, and Jared Jeffries. The Knicks also grant Houston the option to swap picks in 2011 (unless New York wins the lottery), and a top-five protected pick in 2012.
Joining the Knicks are Tracy McGrady and Sergio Rodriguez.
The Knicks also made a trade with the Celtics.
Leaving the Knicks are Nate Robinson and Marcus Landry.
Joining the Knicks are Eddie House, Bill Walker, and J.R. Giddens.
Oh yeah, and there was that trade with the Timberwolves.
Darko's gone. That's pretty much how that turned out.
After the jump, let's talk.
- I'll get the Nate deal out of the way, because I think it's the simplest. It's a lateral move. Nate Robinson was a career Knick and a fan favorite, but likely wasn't going to be signed this summer. Perhaps because Mike D'Antoni isn't a fan of Robinson's, or perhaps just for the hell of it, the Knicks bring in three living, breathing players who should at least keep things interesting. You're probably familiar with House. Giddens and Walker are a couple of interesting youngster guards(well, they're both quite old for "youngsters", but still). Many of us, particularly those of us who were enamored with Robinson, are disappointed that Donnie Walsh didn't at least get a draft pick in return. Other than that, though, this is pretty much a wash. House, Giddens, and Walker are all worth auditions, and maybe one of them might stick around for cheap next season. Probably not, though.
- Onto to the T-Mac deal (which, sadly, I can't call the "Brian Cook Deal" anymore). Let's start with personnel. Tracy McGrady is by no means the superstar that he once was, but he is by all accounts a cool guy who very much wants to play for the Knicks. These are good things. He is fragile and overpaid, but his contract is expiring. There is a possibility that the Knicks look into keeping McGrady around next year, but he certainly won't be a major target.
Sergio Rodriguez is a compelling young point guard who can run, pass, and handle the ball very nicely. His shot is questionable, but he's got some cojones and floor general chops. Sergio also runs funny and has a crazy hairline, so I'm obviously on board. As with every other player acquired, Rodriguez's contract expires this summer.
- Any and all of these guys could get real minutes. Rodriguez and/or McGrady might very well start at some point.
- Losing Hill and essentially handing over two draft picks is pretty disappointing. For a moment there, it sounded like it would only be one or the other. Jordan's a fine person and a talented player, and I expect great things from him in Houston. We wish him the very best. At the same time, it seems as if Donnie Walsh was deep enough into a very widely-publicized deal that he felt it best to pull the trigger rather than abort it because of details. Ultimately, Walsh got the extra cap space he desired, which is reportedly enough for the Knicks to sign two maximum free agents. That was his plan all along, and he stuck to it.
- On that note, this is a gamble and a waiting game. The Knicks will try and woo LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and dozens of other free agents of varying prices and skill levels this summer. Donnie Walsh will enter this summer with four players definitely under contract, so there's a lot of work to be done. Having a team with over 30 million dollars of cap space and a few precocious neophytes (Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, and Toney Douglas) should be very, very exciting. The appeal of the Knicks versus that of other teams isn't really worth debating right now. Maybe not ever. Whatever happens will happen. Stay positive.
- Speaking of staying positive, remember that the Knicks have a major asset for the summer and next season in Eddy Curry's expiring contract. That's another $11 million off the books in the summer of '11, or a very nice trade piece. Whatever Walsh pleases. See what Daryl Morey did with his expiring deal? On a smaller scale, the Knicks might be able to do the same next year.
- The Knicks won't be on any of those mock drafts for a couple years, which kind of hurts. At the same time, Donnie Walsh might snake his way into each of the next 3 drafts with trades and/or stacks of cash. Don't take DraftExpress out of your bookmarks just yet.
- Regarding Morey, the Rockets come out looking awesome in this deal. We won't know exactly how awesome they look for months and years, though.
- Al Harrington is still a Knick, in case you missed that. That might be a little awkward.
- We've got a lot of nicknaming to do. I'll hold off until we actually get to see each of these guys ball a little in orange and blue.
There's quite a bit left to talk about. We'll need to give Nate, Jared, Marcus, Darko and Jordan (mostly Nate) a proper farewell, discuss the incoming players in more depth, and talk about the rotation for the rest of the season. After that, the summer will come and we'll discuss free agency. There will be much to discuss.
Thanks to all of you who kept up with the news and sat through my late night meltdowns. I am very, very happy this is over and we can get back to watching basketball. And waiting. Plenty of waiting.
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im sure we could have traded harrington for a conditional second round pick
or some other worthless player who makes $10 million a day
So who's left?
Duhon, Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Harrington, Douglas, Bender, Curry, Mobley, + McGrady, Rodriguez, House, Walker, Giddens, Cardinal.
That is a tiny team, Lee and Bender are the only big men and Bender may not even be in the rotation. I would assume they’ll cut Cardinal and sign a big man.
Good write-up Seth. Pretty much explains things.
There can be no grade for this deal; it is incomplete for the next 6 months.
Let’s keep that in mind, guys.
I like the trades...
Would’ve rather kept Hill and left the picks unprotected tho. I can smell the smoke from Darryl Morey’s cigar after he got done waxing Donnie Walsh here.
Damn..fuckin guy took the Knicks to the CLEANERS. HO LY SHIT.
…well..cap space. YAY.
And we kept Harrington? Salt in the WOUND!
…hopefully Dwayne and that fake King come here to cure it.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
Dissapointed that the picks are basically gone.
Team’s officially in summer mode. As if they hadn’t been for the past three years, but whatever.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions
only dissapointing thing about these trades are: no picks for nate, jordan hill on the rockets, and al "i'll shoot all day, fuck you" harrington is still on the team
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
aye, that sums up the negatives
positives hopefully include t-mac’s rejuvenation, a true pg for a time, and of course, this july. Also, i will never watch JJ play basketball again
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Dwayne Jones
Is leading the D-League in bounds and is 8th in blocks. Maybe we should grab him.
You think the new guys will suit up for Sat’s game? We’ll be pretty thin w/o them.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions
a little bit sad
i’ll miss nate. i’ll miss being able to crap on jared jeffries. i’ll miss being able to make jokes about animals dying when jared jeffries hits shots.
but at the same time, it’s 2010. we’ve been talking about this for about six years, and today’s one of the days that we just have to acknowledge that for better or worse, playing for this summer was the most sensible option for this franchise post-zeke. so let’s hope it all works out and enjoy tacking tracy mcgrady onto the list of people who were once overwhelmingly talented but were no longer talented by the time new york traded for them along with jalen rose and steve francis.
that's a gigantic difference.
The Knicks never even see McGrady as an option unless that contract’s off the books next year.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
i look at it like its a prize. and we won it lmfao
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Our prize is a box
it could have 2 max FA;s…it could have nothing.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well we won't know
if this was good or bad until this summer, but truthfully, I’m just so relieved everytime we cut another Isiah Thomas ball and chain (Jared Jeffries) from our ankle. I’m also hoping that Walsh will somehow turn Eddy Curry into a high draft pick, especially since that’s what he cost us.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 18, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
2 top 10 draft picks...sorry to bring back the bad memories
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
On Jared Jeffries
I really will miss the animal jokes though. Houston is about to have their ecosystem jacked up.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions
With Jeffries gone
We have zero defensive presence – this year. Beautiful thing getting his contract off the books for next year. Well done. Draft pick thing definitely sucks.
But, on a side note, now that Jeffries is gone I am going to begin the official “RETIRE #20” movement here at P&T.
I once yelled at Jeffries as he was walking up the tunnel at the Verizon Center in DC “Signing autographs” that he was a disgrace to the number on his shirt. He definitely made eye contact. He definitely noticed my Allan Houston Jersey.
Agree on that
Houston just not that epically awesome of a Knick, though he had his moments. As for zero defensive presence, that’s not quite true. Toney Douglas will play more, and he’s got some D skills.
Awful trades
The Boston trade does nothing for us. I would have preferred to keep the draft picks and Hill instead of that 10mil extra cap space this summer. Walsh is basically putting all his money on the chance that we get Lebron/Wade and Bosh this summer and become an elite team for the next two years. If we don’t get the free agents and our team sucks the next two years Houston gets at least one top 10 pick, possibly two.
your overlooking the fact that wade's team isnt very good and that we have the most cap space in the league, dont be afraid my friend donnie is smart he'll make us good again
CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
by IB on Feb 18, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
we'll have 3 players under contract at the end of this season
and about 40 million cap space. Assuming we get Lebron/Wade + Bosh at max salaries, we’d have less than 8 million to fill out the roster. We’d need a PF or C. If Lee has bird rights that we can use than that fills the need. I understand what Walsh is doing, the only problem is that a number of other teams also has enough money under the cap to get those two such as the Heat, Rockets, Nets, and they have more talent on the roster plus a high pick this draft. Plus Miami can offer more money to Wade than us, so it’s far from a guarantee that they’ll be coming to the Knicks. Plus, the Thunder can sign one max contract this summer, plus with the talent already have they could attract one of the big three.
by secret defense on Feb 18, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
true but yao is a free agent too, and the the most alluring would be NY, the nets have talent but they will be in flux til 2012 when they move bklyn, and the rockets dont have space its the kings, clippers, bulls, heat, nets,thunder and knicks
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by IB on Feb 18, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
yao won't opt out of his contract this summer
not with sitting out the season with injuries. But you are right the Kings would have the cap room, though not enough to get 2 max guys, might get a 2nd tier guy and then attract one of the big three.
by secret defense on Feb 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
true, if they were smart theyd go for rudy gay
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by IB on Feb 18, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like Rudy Gay more than Joe Johnson..
if we don’t get two max FA’s this summer. He’s younger and is a more efficient scorer, though he plays the same position as Chandler or Gallinari. Also, scratch what I wrote about resigning DLee. His cap hold would be too much for us to resign him with 2 max FA’s.
by secret defense on Feb 18, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
you have obviously never seen both of them play. joe johnson is INFINITELY better than Rudy Gay. i wouldn’t pay Rudy Gay more than 7mil a year
I never said Gay is better
only that he’s younger than Johnson and has room for improvement. I don’t see how that’s debatable. And neither players are max contract guys.
by secret defense on Feb 18, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is
As I understand, part of the need to enable us to sign 2 top-tier FAs is that one will be far more likely to come knowing that another can join him. (E.g. LeBron + Wade/Bosh) So yes, this is rolling the dice, but I think Walsh’s concern is that without the possibility of being able to sign 2 big names, we wouldn’t be able to pull in 1, because why would someone like LeBron join an awful team…
by dontstopbelieving on Feb 18, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
The sleeper of this trade is Bill Walker the kid can ball. He’ll play great in Danphoni’s up tempo system, give the kid some min’s!!!
actually, it's both
His profile just includes a D-League game review.
Also, for what it's worth...
Bill Walker was a top 5-10 talent in his High School draft class, twice lol. He was top 5 I think in his senior year, but got hurt (knee problem I think?), then delayed a year and they still kept him like #8 in the next class, even after barely playing b/c of injury that year.
Anyway, he has huge athleticity (yes, I made that up) and could be a very solid contributor.
After its all said and done
I am pleased that DOnnie Walsh got on his horse.
He made moves and put the team in better position to win the Free agency market.. and quite possibly put us in better position to win now.
he gave away picks yes, but with the plan at stake. the 012 pick isnt going to be a lotto pick. sucks to see hill go, we havent really tapped into his talent too much.. but at the expense of putting the franchise in position to skip about 2-3 years of rebuilding.. i approve!
in Donnie I Trust
we'll see if he rides that horse into the sunset,
or straight down a well this summer. I believe in the first possibility, these were excellent moves, and the picks won’t mean anything if our team is winning 50+ games next year. let us pray
by Ray Smuckles on Feb 18, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
nobody cares about what # pick the lakers or the celtics have, because they’re contenders.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
One thing we should all notice.
Donny Walsh is not a liar. He told us his plan, and he’s sticking to it. He didn’t let the losing, or the disconted fanbase pressure him into a some kind of panic move (like Isiah). He stayed the course, and that’s not easy in New York.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 18, 2010 3:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
true, and he didnt let other gm's pressure him into sucker moves
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by IB on Feb 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Take notes, Glen Sather.
Rangers, Royals, Raiders, Knicks...the man loves a winner.
by self loather on Feb 18, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yo word
An Tellem got this deal done. Sacto achieved nothing by letting the Knicks in on this, but since Tellem reps Reke Evans, they were threatened into participating. Arn, bitches!!!
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
The idea that two of the big four free agents(James, Wade, Johnson, Bosh)
won’t come to the Knicks because they haven’t won is bogus. The Knicks are still the second wealthiest team in the NBA. They will have tons of cap room. They have a smart GM and a player friendly(offensive minded) coach who is loved by James, Bosh and Wade and a small arena called Madison Square Garden. Two of the four will be Knicks and it really doesn’t matter what combination. Basketball is back in MSG this summer and thats all that matters!
by Major on Feb 18, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
can you guys till me which knicks contracts dont expire?
like which knicks will actually be back next year?
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
chandler douglas gallo.. and curry blah
but three great young kids.. what about dlee?
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yea and curry
Lee’s an FA. About 50-50 whether he stays. Depends on oh so many things
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Gallo, Chandler and Douglas
Dats it
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
maybe eddy (curry) can figure out how to get some minutes now
that big galoot!
all in all- i’m pretty satisfied today. we’re taking a huge risk. obviously.
but look- i was hoping for two things this year. one was being succesful and pushibg toward the playoffs. the other was shedding the cap killers as much as we could.
once it became clear that we were not conpetitive. we had to had to had to move jefferies. and we did it.
next few years could be glorious or horrificly painful. my guess is painful. but i’m hoping for the best.
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
nrmax88
I agree with EVERYTHING you said. We gave up 2 seasons and risked a potential 3 lottery picks to have a chance at this guy. And we’re not gonna stop at that. Whatever LeBron wants, LeBron gets, thats gonna be the deal going in, and if you dont like it lump it. You think after all that we’re gonna lump it, cause if we do, somebody else will like it. Think about the revenues that would be created by this guy. LeBrons not dumb, hes not gonna make us choose a player much worse than anyother. Just sayin, if its between Free Agent A and Free Agent B, and LeBron wants A, we’re gonna sign A.
the good, the bad, and the ugly
good: clearing Jeffries off the books, getting Sergio
bad: daryl morey basically telling donnie walsh this (especially around 0:23): In the words of Mos Def
ugly: whatever the hell happened at the beginning of this thread. hey alla y’all, quit yer bitchin’.
by latrell chokewell on Feb 18, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions
you sound like LJ
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So...
Will Tracy McGrady take us to the playoffs this year. Need to go 22-9 to reach .500, and we all know we don’t exactly need to reach that. I really hope so.
Also, eventually I think the starting lineup should look like:
pg: Sergio Rod
sg: T-mac
sf: Chandler
pf: Gallo
c: d.lee
with harrington, house, and du-du and those other guards coming off the bench
I dunno that even if he's 2007 T-Mac
they can do that.
We’ll see.
I’d absolutely love to see him be his absolute best…but I doubt he’ll do much more then get hurt.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
ouch gotta go 22-9??
I take home 150$ if that happends. Slim chance tho. Very slim
by semsemma on Feb 18, 2010 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These trades are fail
Houston made off like a bandit, highway robbery really.
We got nothing in return for Nate, NOTHING. Fail.
We gave up Hill and all those picks for Knee-Mac, sigh all that for cap space, I’d rather just Keep Jeffries.
Al Harrington is still on our roster, Fail.
No Tyrus Thomas, fail.
Yea we got a pg, but “Duhon’s our guy”. Fail.
I’ll say this once again, either HWSNBN, or D-WADE, or bust. No other combination of two max contracts will make us into a contender. Joe Johnson and Amare? Weren’t they on the same team a couple years back with Shawn Marion and the league’s MVP, did they win a title?
Well, atleast this clears up space for us to resign Duhon and Harrington.
there is next year too
Carmelo Anthony is a nice prize if we don’t get exactly where we want this year. I’m not a big fan of the 2012 pick being not fully lottery protected, but I’ll live with it for the hope it provides.
why are we complaining about the trades when DW said this was his mission statement when he was hired?
what else is there to do?
there isn’t exactly the plan for this team to play basketball now is there?
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
if duhon is sitting
we’re rollin’!!!
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree
Theese trades are not a fail imo. Look at our lineup before today, and compare it to after. We are a better team. (Still have to prove it) but on ppr we r better.
And at the same time we got our cap space that we set as a goal when we hired walsh.
Yes we’re taking a chance, but that was the plan from day uno. No turning back. Walsh has a plan and so far…its working.
by semsemma on Feb 18, 2010 9:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, here it is in a nutshell.
There is risk, there are good things and bad things.
But the Knicks have to cut a guy to fit everyone in.
If that guy was Duhon, this would be a GREAT day.
But basically, they now can sign a max free agent and keep Lee and probably add a couple of extra parts.
And they got point guard help.
Again, CUT DUHON and it’s all good.
Say it with me… Waaaaiive DUHON!
by fuhry on Feb 18, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i'm with you
lets do the waive
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and one thousand
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yo Nets are playin home games in Newark for the next two years...
so count them out.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions
nah…HWSNBN’s gonna force them to build a stadium ASAP.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
He can work with contractors and make some suggestions..
Sorry. I’ll stop
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I said DORIC Columns!!!
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 18, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
especially
when we’re referencing gothic and roman architecture in the context of a 21st century sports arena!
had to cut down the tension in here a little somehow.
i carry a ratchet
for this type situtation
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by stingy d on Feb 18, 2010 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's the bottom line...
Whether or not the Knicks land LeBron/Wade/Bosh this summer, the team is finally in good shape and things are looking up. They have a ton of cap room, a competent GM, and a player friendly coach. Walsh isn’t going to blow the cap on second tier talent ala Joe Dumars. He knows how to build a team and he’s too smart to not have a “Plan B” in case he doesn’t land LeBron.
So while you may disagree on the details of today’s trades, as a Knicks fan I don’t see how you can disagree that there is now light at the end of the tunnel.
Succinct
and well said. Although, I really think HWSNBN is coming here, I also know walsh isn’t going to pull a Villanueva/Gordon. For the first time since June of 2000 there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 18, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is mentioning
What if the Rockets suck next year…..Kevin Martin could get hurt again ….nobody knows about Yao….and they got rid of their big man landry……the 2011 pick might work out for the knicks
by JkiLLa on Feb 18, 2010 8:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
almost provides the plot for a sequel to set it off
The Knicks- screwed by the system year after year finally devise a plan to get what they deserve-
although they employed shady, conniving cut throat tactics (i.e instead of bank robberies they destroyed each and every fans hearts and souls) BUT in the end they FINALLY get away with it and run away to Mexico/a GOOD draft pick-
by dpileofashes on Feb 18, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was an outrigt swap of picks tho...
I think its just the Rockets have the right to swap, tho its protected should the Knicks get the #1 pick.
If the Rockets end up with a higher pick, they just keep it.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
damn
i was going to be the next Coppola
by dpileofashes on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
whats with nirvana88 guy
I reply to a few ignorant things hey say and I come back on hours later to see he sayin I’m the main one “argueing” with him? Lmao
Anyone that doesn’t agree w/ him gets a smart ass remark in return.
Don’t understand y ppl have to over compensate on a blog smh..
by semsemma on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
looking ahead
It seems we will have about 32 mil in cap space this summer, so that leaves with a bevy of options. Not that its definite, but for funs sake and this posts sake Im going to assume we get LeBron and have 16 mil to play with. That leaves us with 16 mil in cap space, the 6mil mid level exception (MLE), and 2 million veterans exception. LeBron in addition to Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Curry, Walker (from Boston), in addition to our 2nd round pick leaves us with 7 players. That means we have to sign at least 5 more players to have a complete roster. First off it’s important to remember that a team can use either exception to sign multiple players, which may be in our best interest, especially if we use both max contracts. If we sign another max player, say Bosh, we’d have the 2 exceptions (totalling 8 million) to sign 4 more players. With LeBron and Bosh on roster it would barely even matter who came along for the ride, but we’d still have to get a PG out of it somehow.
The other scenario is signing LeBron and resigning Lee. For arguments sake lets sake Lee signs 5 years, 50 million, prorated at 8-9-10-11-12. That leaves us with 8 million in cap space, in addition to the 8 million combined for the 2 exceptions. This scenario seems a lot more flexible to me. I think if we end up resigning Lee, a good complimentary player alongside would be Marcus Camby. He’s the kind of shot blocker we need and doesn’t have THAT bad of a jumper (in order to play under D’Antoni), unlike many shot blockers. Other defensive specialists that would be good fits alongside Lee are Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler, both UFA’s. Both could easily be afforded under this scenario (Wallace under either). Other key role players available that are worth mentioning, other than whats on our roster now (in particularI feel Eddie House is a great one to have) are: Brad Miller, Raja Bell, Earl Watson (i like as a backup), Steve Blake, Rasual Butler, Udanis Haslem, Q-Rich, Carlos Arroyo, Roger Mason, Kyler Korver, Drew Gooden, and Mike Miller. None of those guys would be terribly expensive, but each have particular fassets of their game that could and would help a winning team.
The point guard market is EXTREMELY thin. Going down the list of free agents the best I could come up with are Felton, Alston, and Ridnour. Others in a bench role could be Tinsley or Jason Williams (yes, its that weak). Derek Fishers also a FA but I doubt he leaves LA. That leads us to the trade market (where I believe the Knicks will ultimately find their starting PG) Taking a look at PG’s with long contracts (dollars under salary cap can be used as trade exceptions), I stopped at the Nets and their potential #1 pick. Devin Harris has an additional 3 years and 27 million left on his deal. If the Nets land John Wall, Harris could very well be on the market. Trading Harris would leave the Nets with only Lopez, Yi, Terrence Williams, and Wall under contract, and they would esentially be $40 million under the cap going into 2011. The only thing is I believe that the Nets would be pretty hesitant to trading Harris to us, in division, especially if when we are on the verge of something big. Other interesting options through trade would be Baron Davis (3 years/ 42 mil)-ouch, Kirk Hinrich (2 years /17 mil), Lou Williams (3 years/17 mil) Ramon Sessions (3 years/12.5 mil), and potentially if Amare walks, Steve Nash (2 years / 22 mil). You’ve also got Gilbert in Washington due 80 mil over 4 years. Remember, for many of these players it would require the Knicks to offer more than just a salary dump in order to acquire them. I love the fact that in addition to sign the 2 big FA’s, these options are now available to us as well. Thank you Donnie. So lets hear it guys… what do you all think? What do you want to see happen???
great breakdown
Which would i like to see? bosh and bron.. but as you stated.. financially it would put us in a bit of a squeeze to get other quality role players. It shouldn be that way b/c bosh shouldnt be getting a max deal. but they way this summer goes, its’ likely he will.
s/n: whats cap space looking like if we get bron and johnson?
i would like to keep david lee.. but assuming bron is here.. wouldnt he play the 4? meaning we would most likely do a sign and trade deal with lee and aquire a legit center? this is just an idea and i havent put any more thought into than when i just wrote it now.
i dont think camby will win us a chip at the center.. remember he was here years ago and his small frame didnt bode well against the stronger centers.. he’d definitely be a good player to have and would push the team to a high seed in the east..but in the finals against say, bynum, or a series against dhoward? what about okafor.. is there a scenario that would land him here?
Front Court
Camby – I agree he’s fragile, but its hard to find bigs out there that are as talented as he is. Plus it probably wouldnt cost us too much Maybe 2 yrs 12 mil, something in that range. And at this point in his career he’s going to have the urge to win.
Okafors got a FAT deal (after this year 4 years 52 million). It wouldnt even be that far fetched to expect to get him straight up for Curry. I’d love to see them get Chandler, but I dont think Dantoni can handle anyone that offensively inept.
Thinking about it LeBron handles a bunch of the weak side defense on his own, but if we resign Lee we MUST sign a defensive oriented Center.
didnt know about okafors deal
but although camby isnt the best option overall.. hes the best option from looking at the available centers.. i dont want to see chandler on this team.. he’s so daym slow its insane.
ive wrote this before..whats your take on the us getting big z?
Id take him off the bench
Obviously too slow to run and gun, but that’s probably the only knock against him for the role he’d be playing. He’d be useful in certain situations on defense. Hes probably the tallest player in the league playing right now and can hit a jump shot. Wouldnt be comfortable with him as my starting Center though. Overall I say if LeBron leaves Cleveland he retires. Clevelands all he knows in this country
to get lebron
i think its huge that the knicks play well and go on a run in theses last 30 games.. it will help bigtime and would lessen the need to showcase him that we will need another big FA to come here with him.. s-rod should flourish in DA’s system..and i mean FLOURISH. hes not a scorer but with his speed and dishin qualities.. he should help the growth of chandler and gallo.. and even lee.
depends
It depends on what their plan is… if they want to keep a lot of these players than yes they should win. I was a big proponent to this before the season started. But now at this point of the season I really doubt LeBrons keepin tabs on the Knicks every night. However they can’t afford to be pure shit the rest of the way. They’ve got to stay at least competitive. I really don’t think that will be too much of a problem. We’ve got a lot of people playin for money.
on top of this
Eddy Curry will actually be an asset to many teams at this time next year. Hes going to have a 10.8 million dollar expiring contract with another good free agent class upcoming. I dont think we should buy him out by any means.
trade aftermath
On SI.com one writer wrote that this deal allows the knicks to sign 2 max free agents and resign tmac and dlee. Is this possible?
no
Once the season ends there is a cap hold on David Lee of 10.5 million (150% of his 7 mil current deal) The Knicks have the option to waive that if they choose to sign 2 max’s. If they don’t they’ll be able to sign him for over 10.5 million, even if they go over the cap. (Cant figure it’d be too much more than that, if more than that at all). So really, theres not too much of an advantage in having Lee on our roster come season end.
new roster
First, a question. Is Cardinale going to stay on the roster and will he play? I don’t want to talk now about next summer, etc, etc. We still have games to play this season ans I’d like to watch some good basketball (on the tube—I can only afford the blue seats and I suffer from nose-bleeds). I’d like to see a lot less of Chris Duhon, good guy that he is. In the backcourt, I’d like to see a primary rotation of House, Rodriguez and Douglas, with Chandler getting major time as a swingman. Chandler has played well, albeit with some inconsitency. He has a tremendous upside and is rguably the best Knick player after David Lee. He does more all around than Harrington. In the frontcourt, David Lee should conitinue as the no. 1 guy and get more as much time as possible , without totally wearing him out or risking injury. ‘nuf said. Then of course, there’s Harrington and Danilo who needs to work more on his inside game. These are the guys that should get the major minutes altough if all goes well physically with McGrady, his minutes should start slow and steadily increase—hopefully without much delay. The other guys who remain on the roster are wild cards. Bender cannot contribute much although he can help in the event of foul trouble for the big men. I’ve not seen Walker and Gittens play and all I’ve seen from Cardinale is that he is very energetic (plays hard) and is a strong guy. Have I left anyone out? I’ll miss Nate but overall I think you get a solid player in House.
re:new roster
Cardinal was waived already. They only traded for him to save a few bucks (Minnesota wanted a chance to play Darko before he went back to Europe). Interesting to see what they do with Tmac, Gallo, and Chandler. D’Antoni is on the recrod as saying that the rest of this season is devoted to developing Gallo and Chandler. Yet they also claim he’s very intrigued at the thought of coaching Tmac. And you know Tmac is going to be expecting these minutes. In the addition to the play of Sergio, thats probably the only story worth while for the rest of this season.
ok
so we have an 8 player rotation.. whos not playing?
definates are gallo,chandler,lee… thats leaves 5. ok. duhon is gonna start (at least for a few games)..then i believe sergio is goign to take over. so fast forward to that point. we have garcia and douglas splitting time. 3 left- tmac, house, and bender?
so we have a lineup like this
(eventually) garcia-douglas
tmac-house
chandler-gallo-harringotn*
gallo-chander-harrington*
lee-bender
*minutes are limited after tmac has worked into lineup
your thoughts? agree to disagree?
WE NEED A CENTER
EVEN A D LEAGUE GUY TO SOAK UP 10 MINUTES, Bender’s a 7 footer but man he falls down a lot.,…
The parts are just about correct...
But I’ve been wondering why D’antoni hasn’t tried to make Gallinari “his” Amar’e. Simply put, a 6’10" body with the dexterity and hands of Gallo should be utilitzed the same way. I have no problem with T-Mac; just hoping health and accuracy will keep up for him—not only now, but in his playing future.
Danz
eeehhhhh....
Amare was always expected to be a rebounder and explosive player. He’s a banger. Danilo is a shooter. I don’t want to make the comparison, but Gallo’s game seems to be closer to a Nowitski. Dirk has height, but spends most of his time shooting over people rather than banging down low. He can grab a few rebounds, but isn’t expected to be a double-double guy.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 19, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
After reading the opinions from SacTown regarding Seth's post about Sergio
It sorta feels like we just landed the passing version of Nate Robinson. Instead of a driving, dunking, scorer who is marginal on defense, we have the driving passer whos marginal on defense.
Not entirely sure what that really means, but I am very interested to see this kid play.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 19, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions
NY will do okay
I think this will work out for NY. Players want money and stardom, etc. NY can give that better than the other teams so they will get two good players .. two great players. NY still has a few guys who can play. Add any two out of Wade, Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson and things change quickly. Why wouldnt a free agent go to NY? The city? No. The Money? No. The big stage scare them? No. The coach? No, NY is now attractive. These guys are becoming free agents because they want MORE and NY can give them more than most teams. It is going to happen.
Lee/Bosh
Assuming Lebron or Wade will play with either Bosh or Lee, would anyone else (besides me) rather have Lee than Bosh?
I'd like Both.
Lee is the only man on the team willing to clean the glass consistently. WillChan remembers he can rebound too sometimes.
Bosh and Lee can rebound with anyone in the league and together? Open up a lot. Especially since Lee can essentially be a point forward at times
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 19, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
i'd rather have lee
i think bosh will pussy out when we need him. i been saying for a while, that he reminds me of a certain charles smith. no heart.
and i mean no heart in a bad way. not quite like “no-heart anthony”. he’d never try anything too crazy.
lee is balls to the wall. thats my kind of guy. pause.
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