ESPNs 30/30 - Winning Time.... who watched it?
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT
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So the ESPN 30/30 documentary Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The NY Knicks aired Sunday. Did anyone watch it? I saw it and enjoyed it much more than I thought i would. I expected it to be a Reggie Miller lovefest, but it felt pretty well balanced. I remember the Knicks/Pacers series and though i feel like Miami and Chicago both were more heated team rivalries, its hard to disagree that as a player, Miller was the most hated Knick killer. Much of the interviews with Miller reminded me of how much I always hated him. Yeah, great shooter, but he is such an ugly dickhead. Looks more like the mythical beast Grendell that Beowulf fought against. I at least give credit to Miller for not backing down from his antics though. He knew exactly how to get under John Starks' skin and he was well aware of how hated he was in NY. I loved the interviews with Spike Lee too and how he sort of tried to play off his vocal times courtside. I didn't know much on the backstories of the games and I don't remember Spike Lee making it courtside in Indiana. Hearing him respond to the "hicks" and such almost put me on the floor laughing.
Completely entertaining and both him and Reggie were verye much trying to bullshit their way into sounding like victims of sorts. But it was very enjoyable and aggravating at the same time. I felt like a lot of respect was given to the Knicks in how big a task it seemed to be for Indiana to beat them. I do remember the Oakley/Mason/Ewing physicality vividly though and I do wish that mentality was still with the Knicks. Those were physical series, man.
The Pacers were so easy to hate, with Rik Smits, Dale and Antonio Davis, Reggie Miller and Haywood Workman (damn they were ugly too). I still maintain that in Reggie's 8pt barage, he fouled the shit out of Greg Anthony. I was disappointed that no Knicks said anything about that. They seemed to accept that Anthony 'slipped'. Yeah, we losing balance, but a blatant shove remains a foul. There was also a bit of an epilogue after the credits. I won't spoil it if you haven't seen it, but it was a perfect finish to the documentary.
Anyways, who else saw it and what did you think?
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Its great to see clips of the post game interviews
when Reggie yaps bullshit like “I have no idea why Starks headbutted me! I’m innocent, I never say anything on the court!” hahahaha Hes so full of crap, man, it makes you hate him more!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously he was full of crap, but
did you see his interview with Al? Clearly he was having fun. He wasn’t trying to convince anybody that he was actually an innocent victim. Obviously any Knick fan hates him, but we’d love him if he were ours. The fact that the Pacers, like the Knicks never won a championship in that era makes me hate him less.
by al's brick foundation on Mar 16, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the docu interviews were great cus he didn't back off anything
but the cuts to the actual post game interviews were the ones I loved to hate.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I could only watch parts
Because I kept getting overcome by hatred for that Miller a-hole just like old times.
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Mar 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Starks interviews made up for those
And Spike’s comments.
And the pictures of Oakley in the background. Has anyone ever seen him smile, or with a grin on his face? Does he even have those muscles in his face?
I submit, no. I believe he only even has a wrong side of his bed too.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, Fist, I trust you
I’ll give it another shot.
I just remember being in my early 20s then and feeling too sick to get out of bed after game 5 of 1994 series. I remember thinking that I couldn’t believe that I was an adult and still feeling this way about a game.
It was further embarrassing to realize that Miller could still make me feel the juvenile desire to punch him out just because he could make a basket and then act like a dick about it.
By the way, Oakley has muscles everywhere and can do what he want to do. And occasionally that is smile. Check it out:
Wait, that’s not it. How about this:
OK, closer, but not quite. Maybe this:
Eh. Ah, got it:
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Mar 16, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I am amazed at these.
They feel like they have been photoshopped. Oakley was abad ass motherf$@%er. I don’t think he ever shot a jumper either. The ball merely escaped from his clutches into the safety of the basket.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man
My most vivid memories of Oak are him canning 15 footers. Now that I think about it, he’s unquestionably my favorite player ever.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true
I remember when Oakley punched Barkley after Barkley tapped him lightly. Barkley said that he was only joking around. Oakley responded that he doesn’t joke around.
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Mar 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate Reggie Miller with a passion that can't be matched. If he had been up in my shit like he was with Starks
a head butt would not have been my reaction.
I also miss the Knicks of that time period, we need to bring back the ‘no layup rule.’ Get a couple of flagrants but that’s the price you pay for making sure people respect you.
I could see Gallo laying someone out and then just awkwardly walking away. Or Lee doing it and then wondering why he got fouled.
great documentary
and inevitably heartbreaking ( ewing, game 7), but what stood out the most to me, other than spike’s hilarity, was the respect. Even if NY was getting pushed around, they pushed right back. That physicality is what’s most lacking with these knicks, but they are still fairly young and will learn along the way how to get motivated and prevent guys from cruising down the lane (pause), even if they don’t necessarily have the talent to keep up.
That’s one thing that Mark Jackson has going for him in his soon-to-be coaching career. No doubt he will teach guys how to dictate the tempo and make the opponent play they way that he wants them to.
seeing how much he wanted to play for Indiana and to beat NY... I'm glad Marc Jackson isn't coaching NY
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So knowing that Marc Jackson was a
huge competitor makes you not want him to be our coach? Would he be a better coaching candidate if he was happy that the Knicks traded him away for no reason? Or would it be better if he pouted about it and ruined his career, instead of becoming one of the best players at his position? I don’t get it. If you won the rookie of the year, and then got traded, you wouldn’t want to beat the team who traded you? Wouldn’t want you on my team.
by al's brick foundation on Mar 16, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You might be taking my comment a bit deeper than it was meant to be
I was playin on the rivalry card. But I mostly am glad Jackson isnt coaching us because he has yet to coach any NBA team.
Wonder if PJ Brown is available??
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
please no
Nothing Marc Jackson says makes me think he’d be any better than Ewing (who would also be terrible). Enough respect as players, but coaches don’t teach the toughness of their games which is why you want them. Coaches don’t change guys’ character, they recognize it and put them in positions to succeed. Jackson, for all his playing career, doesn’t show any great insight in that area.
Guys
can we just spell Mark Jackson’s name correctly? He may not ever be a good head coach, but he was a damn good point guard and if they hadn’t made the &^$&&#*$ trade for Charles Smith I think the Knicks would have won a %*&^# Championship in those years!
Marc with a ‘C’ Jackson was a kind of undersized center/power forward that played for the Warriors and looked for a minute like he was going to be good…. Hm, actually, kind of like Charles Smith.
Wow
some character I typed screwed up the HTML there. Kind of like the Knicks screwed up when they traded Mark with a ‘K’ Jackson to the Clippers for Charles (with an ‘L’ for Loser) Smith.
I was actually talking about the Golden State Jackson
hence, I’m glad he’s not our coach. :-)
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard great things
but haven’t been able to bring myself to watch it yet. And Reggie fouled Anthony, just in case anyone was wondering.
It was blatantly obvious
Why do i look at Popivich with a arm around a player talking with 2 minutes left, and get jealous?
by semsemma on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST
I saw it
It brought back fond memories as my love for the Knicks and the NBA began and developed during that time period. Of all the Knick rivals during that run from 1992-2000, I had a deep seeded hatred for the Pacers (until PJ Brown body slammed Charlie Ward during game 5 of the 1997 Eastern Conference Semis). While I always enjoyed watching the Knicks battle MJ’s Bulls, I loathed Reggie and the Pacers for the very reasons that were documented in the 30/30. He was as a cry baby who got away with too much acting. Even after the show, I still despise that guy. But I can finally respect his passion, talent, and showmanship.
It was funny, when they finally showed game 7 of the 1995 playoff series that Indiana won, I felt like Ewing would finally make the layup. I wish they made that a 2hr show because they ignored 1998, 1999 (minus LJ’s 4 point play) and 2000 (Ewing’s final playoff series). The Pacers were our truest rival because in 6 playoff series it broke 3-3.
I also thought it was hilarious that the series was portrayed as Hicks vs Knicks when the biggest pieces to the Pacers’ success weren’t even natives of Indiana: Donnie Walsh (New York), Larry Brown (New York), Mark Jackson (New York), and Reggie Miller (Los Angeles).
Why do i look at Popivich with a arm around a player talking with 2 minutes left, and get jealous?
by semsemma on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST
I agree!
However, we can’t forget that the documentary was called Reggie Miller vs The Knicks…not the other way around. That Game 7 was the relevant game.
I really loved how it was like ‘Reggie and the Pacers finally beat the Knicks!" and it ended, and the credits rolled, and just as they ended it was like “psych!” Larry Johnson Reggie’s the pacers!! I thought that was a perfect little signoff.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 18, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched it the other day…great show. I remember watching those series very, very vividly. Not a Knicks fan, but I absolutely despised the Pacers and Reggie Miller. Hated him, their uniforms, Rik ’ Jesus, get some SUN, please’ Smits lurching around…everything…and I wanted Ewing to be able to get a ring before he retired, and always was a Pat Riley fan.
Still, all in all really well done episode
The one thing I thought was a bullshit cheap shot though was Spike making reference to the fact that the KKK began in Indiana…like the reason why the fans in Indy hated him so much was racial or something. That wasn’t cool.
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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