Knicks 94, Sixers, 84: "That Douglas fellow can play the game."
Ray Smuckles got it right. The Sixers looked for a while like they were too tall and too active for the Knicks, but Toney Douglas thought otherwise. The rookie point guard had another solid game as the Knicks overcame a severe rebounding deficit to defeat the Sixers...much to the delight of Philadelphia fans, as the Sixers moved ahead of the Knicks Jazz on the lottery board. Everybody's happy.
Notes after the jump...
- For a while, it looked like the prevailing theme in this one would be the Knicks' lack of size. There were times when 9'4'' Samuel Dalembert looked like Billy Madison gunning down second-graders in dodgeball. Standing a full head taller than any Knick, he collected 9 offensive rebounds (18 total) to give the Philly offense plenty of opportunities. For whatever reason, he and Elton Brand didn't look for their own offense all that much, each attempting only 8 shots despite perpetual mismatches. The Sixers may or may not be tanking, so I won't bother scratching my head.
- It's very hard to believe that Eddie Jordan was ever "Fast Eddie", but I'll take Clyde's word for it. (I simply can't find a photo of a svelte EJ, so Clyde's word is all I've got.)
- Tracy McGrady started the game nicely, hitting each of his first three three-pointers. After that, he didn't really dribble, defend, or rebound much, and sat most of the second half.
- I swear Danilo Gallinari starts most of his touches looking to pass, but for whatever reason, nobody cuts when he has the ball. Everybody should save their movement from when Al Harrington's holding the rock and use it for feeds from Gallo. The kid can pass. I've seen him do it.
- He can also score. And defend. Danilo put up 21 on 8-15 shooting (and a reasonable 3-6 from downtown, which tells you he was putting the ball on the floor), but also helped limit Andre Iguodala (5-22) to mostly jumpers in the halfcourt set. Quiet but very solid game on both ends for Gallinari.
- The Knicks went with the match-up zone (with Gallo in the middle) for a hot second, but it didn't really stick. Philly shot a bunch of threes anyway, but went only 6-25.
- Speaking of which, interesting, if unsurprising stat: The Knicks are now 17-5 when shooting at or above 40% (they shot 44% tonight) as a team from the three-point line. They're 7-38 otherwise. Mike D'Antoni, asked to comment, said something to the effect of "we're not very good shooters".
- Either there is a New York Lottery commercial featuring some sort of musical about giant crabs, or there was too much PCP in the soup I had for dinner.
- At one point, someone on the floor was kind enough to bleed all over the court, requiring a full five minutes for clean-up. Clyde guessed that it was "Dalembert leaving the Knicks in his wake".
- Forgive me for my limited knowledge of local high school basketball but "Bishop Loughlin vs. Christ the King" sounds like a one-on-one match-up to me, and a very entertaining one at that.
- I asked Jordan from Liberty Ballers if Willie Green was the Sixers' equivalent of Al Harrington, a "talented player, but takes far too many bad shots, doesn't share, and generally retards the progress of the youngsters." which he said "Desribes Bill Green to a tee. Minus the talent." There you go. Nevertheless, "Bill" managed to murder the Knicks off the dribble in the middle two quarters. The ease with which strong guards drive to the basket against New York leads me to believe that the Knicks should never trade Wilson Chandler. He'd drop 40 against his old teammates.
- Wilson, by the way, had a modest but productive game posting 12 (6-9), 11, and 4, and making good use of mismatches. When faced with Green or Jrue Holiday, Wil backed down. When he drew Sam Dalembert, Wil put the ball on the floor. For the most part, anyway.
- Bill Walker didn't do much, but did shank a two-handed tomahawk that would've made gray matter shoot out my ears. So...thanks, I guess.
- Interesting fact: Clyde wore the number 52 in high school and college, and switched to 10 as a pro only because that was the jersey that Danny Whalen tossed to him on the first day of practice. Simpler times.
- Clyde, following one of Samuel Dalembert's 3 blocked shots: "He's a very generous man off the court, but a very inhospitable man on the court".
- Rodney Carney looks suspicious. Something tells me Rodney has important information that he's withholding. They ought to let me interrogate him so I can get to the bottom of this. Also, he kind of looks like he's wearing eye shadow on the court.
- Oh, and he's your Renardo Borkman Memorial Walt Frazier Mispronounced Name of the Night: "Rodney Corny".
- Jrue Holiday, who I love, is the youngest player in the NBA. Trevor Ariza, we learned in the Nissan Trivia Contest, is the youngest Knick ever. The second youngest? Perhaps my favorite Knick of all time: Jackie Butler. Hats off to you, Jackie, wherever you may be. Odds are you're in the woods somewhere wrestling boars. That's cool with us, Jackie Butler. Keep doing you.
- Gallinari sank the three that pretty much iced the game, then engaged in a flying ass-bump with Chris Duhon. Given Gallo's injury history, I do not and will never support this practice. Might I suggest the Chappelle/Spike "two times!", or just the good, old-fashioned rooster salute?
- And, at long last, the main event: Toney Douglas started slowly, but ended up with a very nice two-way performance in the victory. Toney's passing game was primarily beating his man off the dribble and kicking out to open shooters (It comes as no surprise that the Knicks have shot well in Toney's two starts). He had some trouble finding David Lee off of screens, but this is partly because the Sixers defended the pick-and-roll nicely and had Lee pretty well bottled-up. Douglas also looked to score some, favoring the outside shot (2-6) a little too much, but also pulling up from midrange and slicing to the rim. Above all else, though, Douglas' defense continued to impress. Holiday had himself a game, but several of his buckets came in the second quarter against Sergio Rodriguez or Eddie House. Toney did a very nice job on his fellow rookie, rarely granting him a step and either picking pockets or jumping passing lanes for a few open-court steals. Toney Douglas continues to do what Toney Douglas do, and what Toney Douglas do continues to make the world a better, happier place, especially for the children. Because it's really about the children, isn't it? Check out the picture I used for the post-game thread below. That's called getting after it, friends. Tomorrow, let's do what Toney Douglas do and get after it as well. It's for the children.
That is all, sweet ducklings. Check out Liberty Ballers, where they're openly celebrating the loss. Silly Sixers fans with their lottery picks and their chance at drafting John Wall. Guh. Next game's Wednesday (St. Patrick's Day) against the Celtics. Who wears green in that match-up!?
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I missed the game (oops, four hour nap)
but I live down the street from Christ the King. That’s my only contribution.
He looks skinny
He also looks like he’s walking pretty slowly. Also, the picture says that’s East Rutherford but that looks like a high school gym to me.
has ANYONE ever been to the IZOD center?
you know, other than the starters and head coach…
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried once
But I wound up in the woods talking to a centaur.
oh shit
wait a minute, I think I saw Rush there. The bus driver got lost on the way and I missed the opening band.
Rush is so good
i was just jamming out to Hemispheres the other day.
anyway, i went to the Izod once. or maybe twice. either way i’m familiar with the place.
by latrell chokewell on Mar 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
eddie jordan’s collar was later used as wings on a small aircraft.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 16, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
My $ is on Bishop Loughlin
I hear he’s got a great face up game with low post moves that make a ballerina look jealous.
Why do i look at Popivich with a arm around a player talking with 2 minutes left, and get jealous?
by semsemma on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST
by Rohpuri on Mar 16, 2010 1:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jrue Holiday
Scored like 10 out of his 18 points during the 5 or so minutes that Sergio was in the game.
Just saying…
Sergio can't defend for his life
tho I’m pretty sure like 4 of those were with Al Harrington on him. Bricks is 6"9 and can move with Holliday…but he still can’t defend for his life.
Can we just buy him out now?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
that was up all night saying that jackie butler was wrestling “boards”. that’s the furthest thing from the truth. jackie favors a good, ornery hog.
Anorther Clyd-ism
“Materdor D”
Says it ievery game
We're only 9 games off a playoff spot!
If only we’d’ve been able to see TD DWTDD from January…
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
ha.. is it too far fetched to
say that we could quite possibly, maybe, probably wont, but would shyt my draws if we do, make the playoffs?? lol
Whilst raising the dead and healing the sick.
Yeah!
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
by UK Knick on Mar 16, 2010 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
orrr...
averaging a double quadruple… (pause)
"If it ain't broke, don't break it." -Charles Oakley
by Tony Marciano on Mar 17, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Tony Douglas do that?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being toney douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
^ That needs to be on a big sign somwhere
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
by UK Knick on Mar 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Game!
Can you imagine next year!
Knicks 2010
PG/T.Douglas
SG/J.Johnson F/A
SF/W.Chandler
PF/A.Stoudemire P/O Sign & Trade (D.Lee-E.Curry)
C/C.Aldrich-D.Pittman (Draft Buy Picks with Cash)
Its better then F/A spending except for J.Johnson
Bench 2010
PG/S.Rodriguez SG/B.Walker SF/T.McCrady PF/D.Gallinari
If you noticed the team won with D.Lee only scoring a few points.
That should tell you his worth. Yes he rebounded, but we can get that in the sign and trade next year also with Stoudemire.
right, because one low scoring game from Lee is enough to know his worth
How about his line from the Dallas game? 15pts, 14rebs, 7 assists. And, you know, guarding Dirk Nowitski and helping to hold him to 5-13 shooting and 20pts.
Yeah, Lee sucks, dump him.
Aldrich is gonna be Greg Ostertag…is that what we want?
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
D.Lee?
Dallas is flat after running a winning streak together.
So now because of this Dallas game you think he is a stud.
A sign & trade with E.Curry to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire.
That is all th evalue D.Lee has is in the sign & trade.
It will happen just watch around July 1st when it is permitted.
Really he gets the robotic shot off because centers don’t come out to watch him.
At PF he will be played and that will not happen. Just watch next year when he is in Phoenix.
This just isn't true
PFs who hit 18-20 footers get them off regularly. Garnett/Dirk/Bosh/Gasol/Boozer/Aldridge/David West all have good midrange jumpers and it gives each of them an advantage over the slower, less athletic PFs in the NBA. Lee is no exception, and his development of the jumper will make him a weapon at the 4 or the 5.
Stoudemire is an infinitely better athlete than David Lee (and than basically everyone in the NBA). I don’t think anyone would dispute this. But he’s lazy. And he doesn’t give two shits about defense. And he’s getting into his late 20’s, which means that his athleticism is soon to diminish (especially since he’s had microfracture surgery). And when his athleticism diminishes, his value will plummet. He’s not suddenly going to start playing intelligently and with effort in his early 30’s.
You are right, I believe, that Lee’s not good enough to be a primary (see: option 1 or 2) weapon on a championship team, and that his defense limits him. The guy to get is Bosh. But the distinction you seem to see between Amare and Lee is irrelevent. Their numbers under D’Antoni are virtually identical (Lee’s rebounding is better, Amare’s scoring is better). Their defense is equivalent. Amare solves nothing for this team, and, arguably, will make it worse over the course of a five year contract than Lee would.
Amare/Lee
The Knicks could look like this next year.
PG/T.Douglas
SG/J.Johnson F/A
SF/W.Chandler
PF/A.Stoudemire Sign & Trade (D.Lee/E.Curry)
C/C.Aldrich Cash/Draft for the top six pick
With this unit four of the five starters plays solid defense.
T.Douglas/J.Johnson/W.Chandler/C.Aldrich
With this unit three out of five are twenty plus point scorers.
J.Johson/W.Chandler/A.Stoudemire
The key here is all three can give you more points when needed on certain nights to win the game. OUCH!
Your D.Lee cannot play PF on this starting team and get those numbers he gets now in the D’Antoni system.
That is all I am saying here.
Amare on the other hand could give you the scoring and rebound while th ekey guy in the middle bangs and boxes out for Amare to clear the boards.
Yes his man defense is bad however with four others palying defense it can bee covered.
D.Lee is just to slow to play starting PF in this league.
He will not get open against PF’s watching him on most nights.
I also ask the question what happens when PF’s back him in down low.
How can he deend them when he cannot jump.
Dunks in the D’Antoni open system is easy.
The Knicks will not need him if they can put htis line up together.
They are pretty close in doing this.
Projection Knicks 2010
PG/T.Douglas
SG/J.Johnson
SF/W.Chandler
PF/A.Stoudemire
C/C.Aldrich
PG/S.Rodriguez
SG/B.Walker
SF/T.McGrady
PF/D.Gallinari
C/Big Body someway somehow D.Pittman Texas Cash/Draft
i don't know what's worse
you thinking that any team would sell the 6th pick outright, you thinking that Aldrich is a good fit in D’Antoni’s system, or you putting Gallo on the bench.
actually there is a lot more wrong with this (I won’t even get into the D-Lee thing!), but at least you got TD starting, so i won’t excoriate you. good looks on that. DWTDD.
by latrell chokewell on Mar 17, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Do You Think He Is a Starter?
D.Gallimari si not ready to be a starter.
A good solid role player off the bench with the second unit for now.
Maybe in the future.
Maybe.
C.Aldrich can run the floor, bang, rebound and hit the free throws when needed.
Do you think D.Gallinari can bang, rebound better then Aldrich?
I really don’t think so and never will.
Aldrich could also play PF if needed.
Look what the Knicks did to get McGrady.
So giving up another future pick is not a bad idea along with 3m + cash to get a need center that most teams need.
Look at Atlantam, they are a solid team with Horford at center.
He is PF that needs a center next to him for Atlanta to jump to the next level.
Centers are to find so it important for the Knicks to get aggressive to get this guy of need.
One Item
Yes it is important to notice that we also WON the game without him scoring.
That is worth something in itself.
In case you have not notice we only a twenty odd wins.
He also has only been part of a of loosing seasons since he got here.
A bench player at the PF position on a good team at best.
Meh…Stoudamire is no better then Lee.
I’d rather use the extra $5-6 mill it would take to get Amare, along with other cap room, to get a center.
Lee’s outside shot and versatility at the rim makes him a better threat on offense.
Get Lee a partner in crime. Lee was working very well with Z-Bo in Pringles offense before he was sent packing..so maybe a Bosh would work.
Amare can’t play D either…so I dunno if we’re gaining anything…other then extra cap room.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd actually rather sign someone like Joe Johnson
and then sign a Center who can run the floor. And of course, keep Lee.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If not LBJ
Then Joe Johnson/Bosh has to be the goal, followed by some effort to sign and trade Lee for a 5 (Okafor? Camby? Al Jefferson?)
Again..rather keep Lee.
Its tough to read the true development of Cock pause
but
TD
Chan
Gallo
Lee
Bosh?
Who really knows how actually good a defender Lee is? He overmatches big C’s on the offensive end, but gets overmatched by them too.
Lee can handle the rock…..
Maybe
TD
Cock
Lee
Bosh
Okafor
-WillChan off the bench
-Owlie
-Serg
-Tall dude
-rooks
David Lee couldn’t shoot for shit coming into the league…now all of a sudden, that jumper may be in the top 5 as far as polished for a Big man pause.
I’d rather keep Lee.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
or better yet, Fuck Bosh pause
TD
Joe Johnson
Gallo
Lee
Okafor— given them Eddy Curry’s expiring?
Chan, etc. off the bench
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
phew!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 16, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent
I can wear it after I get my hair cut into a Toney Douglas ’Do.
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Mar 16, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
my ideal lineup for what it is worth (which is nothing), assuming LBJ and wade are no shows come july
pg – TD
sg – joe johnson (not for max)
sf – gallo
pf – d lee (or chandler if we lee wants too much)
c – bosh (not for max, but close)
BENCH
t mac (cheap)
chandler
walker
duhon (really cheap)
shot blocker (warrick, thomas (tyrus not tim), or camby)
curry’s expiring carcass
promising 2010 draft pick (or 2 if dolan is splurging in july)
maybe serg

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