Knicks 109, Nuggets 104: "I can barely contain myself".
by Seth on Mar 24, 2010 1:10 AM EDT
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PrintWhat a fun, exciting game. Just like Ray Smuckles in the comments, I found it difficult to contain my bodily functions while Danilo Gallinari went off in the third quarter and Toney Douglas' heart pumped pure ice water in crunch time. By the time Toney sank a dagger step-back to put the Knicks up three with 27 seconds left, my drawers were thoroughly soiled. It was that kind of game.
Notes and such, after the jump...
- We'll start at the end. With about a minute remaining and the Knicks up 4, Toney Douglas helped off of J.R. Smith and left him wide open for a big three. We all got very worried. When Al Harrington coughed up the ball on the ensuing possession, we were pretty certain where the game was headed. The Knicks had surprises in store, though. Up 1 with about 40 seconds to play, they funneled Carmelo Anthony into the middle and got two hands up on his fadeaway jumper, which rimmed out. On the ensuing possession, Toney Douglas did what he do. Toney drew Nene on a mismatch, threw him off balance with a stutter dribble, then stepped back and buried a 16-footer to put New York up 3 with 27 seconds to play. That pretty much did it. The Knicks hit their free throws, the Nuggets couldn't buy a bucket, and for one night, the Knicks made good on their late game opportunities and gutted out a win.
- Back to the beginning. The Knicks started this one very poorly. Denver hit all their shots while the Knicks couldn't be bothered to pass on offense. It was 14-2 in the blink of an eye. The Knicks got back in it, though. The ball started to move and Tracy McGrady came alive with a series of back-to-the-basket plays that ended in turnaround jumpers, drives to the rim, or trips to the line. McGrady ended with 15 points on 6-9 shooting, and did the best of his work in the early going.
- Topic of conversation amongst my company in the first quarter: Who would win a baseball game: the Knicks or the Denver Broncos? Don't ask how we got to that topic.
- Chauncey Billups just assaulted Toney Douglas throughout tonight's game. It was actually a lot of fun to watch Toney react and learn as the game progressed, but the rookie spent most of his time hanging on for dear life while Billups steamrolled his way to the rim. He actually ended up shooting only 5-13, but Chauncey's 14-15 from the line were a product of superior strength and veteran savvy at the expense of our beloved Toney, who sat for a stretch with 3 quick fouls. It was yet another learning experience for Douglas, which is splendid. That's exactly what this time of year is for.
- Oh, also, here's an open letter from P&T to Chauncey Billups:
Dear Chauncey,
Shave.
Yours,
Posting and Toasting
- I may be in the minority here, but I don't think the same thing applies to Birdman. That mustache is RIGHT.
- The Knicks played their 3-2 zone at moments throughout the night. It worked for a few plays, but by the end, the Nuggs were either finding open threes or finding holes in the zone for Anthony.
- Tracy McGrady tried to dunk on Chris Andersen in the first quarter. Birdman would have none of it, but the refs called a foul. Champagne was spilt in memory of Shawn Bradley.
- The T-Mobile My Touch is the first phone that becomes 100% you. They're not kidding. I was playing with one in the luxury suite on Sunday and within minutes, I was holding a clone of myself.
- Al Harrington played splendidly in this one, particularly off the bench in the first half. Albert used nimble moves-- rather than just brute force-- to get to the rim, and also keyed the Knicks' charge by leading a valiant effort on the glass early on. The Knicks managed 12 offensive rebounds as a team (David Lee had six!), and outrebounded Denver 41-35. Pretty impressive.
- Toney Douglas' early foul woes can be attributed in part to Billups' aggressiveness, but he's also prone to picking up fouls because he doesn't seem to have the scouting report in his head. Anthony Carter, for instance, should never beat you off the dribble, because you should never be playing him that close. J.R. Smith, meanwhile, shouldn't get an inch of breathing room, as was mentioned before. Toney's defensive activity is excellent, but could still be better allocated.
- While we're on the subject, did Anthony Carter get those Samoan-looking tribal tattoos while playing at the University of Hawaii, or is he just a bro?
- Walt Frazier graced us with a blindingly red suit, which we later learned was as part of the celebration of Coca Cola's 100th anniversary or something. I would've liked to see Clyde wear a jacket made out of 100% polar bear for the occasion, but I'll take what I can get.
- Bill Walker fouls like a madman, but I kind of like it. Some of the fouls are silly (like slapping Chris Andersen in the back of the head...which was actually pretty awesome, come to think of it), but a lot of them fall into the "no layups" category. We as Knicks fans aren't really accustomed to seeing somebody drop some bodies to prevent an easy basket, but Bill the Bully fouls with purpose.
- I've never heard Joey Graham talk, but I imagine that he sounds just like Snagglepuss. I aspire to never hear an interview with Graham so I can go to my grave with this fantasy intact.
- At one point, Mike Breen mentioned Stacey Augmon, who's a Denver assistant coach. The following conversation ensued:
Roommate: "Female assistant coach. I don't like it."
Me: "Stacey Augmon is a guy."
Roommate: "Good."
Just saying I've got a hostile work environment. (Also, he was joking. Chill.)
- J.R. Giddens crossed Carmelo Anthony right out of his socks, then finished at the rim. It was wonderful. J.R. Giddens=Captain Rowdy.
- In a halftime interview with Jill Martin, Philip Seymour Hoffman refused to give a straight answer when asked if he thought LeBron James would join the Knicks. This leads me to believe, that Philip Seymour Hoffman isn't part of LeBron's inner circle, which both surprises and disappoints me.
- Tina Cervasio, in a feat of investigative reporting, revealed that the Big Apple Circus elephants were stationed a stone's throw away from the game action. The imminent possibility of a stampede only made the game more exciting. Seriously, the prospect of Knicks basketball and elephants running amok is like P&T encapsulated in a single perilous calamity.
- I don't mean to pick on Toney, but he could do a better job running the break. Seriously, though, that last shot absolved him of all wrongdoings. DWTDD.
- If the Nuggets aren't going to play Renaldo Balkman, then can we have him back? And by "we", I mean me and my housemates, who could use another Super Smash Bros. player.
- Clyde's marriage advice: "Compromise. Communication". Duly noted.
- It should be mentioned that the Knicks benefited from some questionable calls towards the end of the game, the most egregious of which was a David Lee charge that would've fouled him out of the game that got overturned by a side referee. Clyde always says, though, that it's the aggressor that gets the calls, and this was no exception. New York fought harder than Denver, and got some calls in the process.
- Malik Allen strikes me as the kind of guy who wears a Kangol.
- And now for the main event. The Danilo Gallinari-Carmelo Anthony match-up got plenty of hype leading up to the game, and it didn't disappoint. The highlight of the evening was the third quarter, in which the supremely talented Anthony and the supremely cocky Gallinari traded hoops and words for a few minutes. Gallo started with back-to-back threes, then a minute or two passed before things picked up. Melo sank a long two, Gallo came back with a three, Melo hit another J, Gallo drew a foul, Melo hit an open three when Gallo tried to cherry-pick, then drained a short jumper. Gallinari had the last laugh, though, burying another pair of threes to give himself 17 points on the quarter (to Anthony's 12). There was plenty of shit-talking between the two, but they smiled and high-fived at the beginning of the fourth and had a respectfully brotastic embrace at the end of the game. Oh, and you can be damn sure that Clyde found a way to rhyme "Melo" and "Gallo".
- If you ask me, Gallinari followed through pretty nicely on his request to defend Anthony. Carmelo got different looks- a zone, Walker, Giddens- but spent most of his touches battling with The Cock. I took note of pretty much every possession on which to the two matched up. There were mistakes, for sure. Gallo conceded the baseline a few times, which is a recipe for disaster against a forward as powerful as Anthony. Most of the time, though, Gallinari was pesky and aggressive enough to force Anthony to make catches near the perimeter. Gallo kept his feet when Anthony tried to shake him, and limited his opponent to mostly long twos with a hand in the face. Granted, Carmelo Anthony is an otherworldly scorer and connected on plenty of those contested jumpers, but that's still preferrable to dribble drives and easy inside buckets. The team as a whole benefited from the fact that Gallinari didn't usually need help. All things considered, I think Danilo Gallinari put in a hell of an effort and backed up his words. I was proud of the young rooster.
And that's really the upshot of the evening. The Knicks played with grit and determination, and I think a lot of us felt a rare rush of pride in our young guns. This was one of the feel-good nights of the season, without question. The Knicks aren't back in action until Friday against the Suns, so we'll have a few days to marinate in the win.
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So I was at this game..
My first Knick Game since 2001 at the Garden
and Oh My God
that was fun
Gratzie Galloo
for a good performance
Easy Breezy, Off the Heezy, by Weel the threel!
That was a feel-good recap
for a seriously feel-good game.
TD has brass balls for realz. He be DWTTD, but sometimes that shit includes badly bricking pull-up jumpers with 18 seconds on the shot clock and sometimes that shit includes icing said pull-up jumpers in crunch time to steal a game that we had no business winning. Kid’s got chutzpah.
Gallo was the story tonight though. This is another guy with fuckin cojones for miles. Yeah I said it. This Cock’s got Yuge Balls. Seriously though, he D’ed up Melo with the intensity and mixed up his perimeter and penetration games like a vet. I’m gonna channel Mike Francessa for a sec, but the kid really showed me something tonight. I think he can be a star. He’s on some “eye of the tiger” shit… in a goofy I-talian way.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 24, 2010 2:03 AM EDT reply actions
wow
unbelievable game. the garden was absolutely electric. hadn’t been there for that kind of atmosphere in forever
D??? LOL....
I have to admit…I was at the Garden last night too and it hasn’t been that electric in quite some time….Gallo really went nuts offensively in the 3rd….but then he got passive and started bricking in the 4th….need more consistensy….as far as his D…yea he was kinda pesky on Melo, but to say he did a great or even good def job is SADLY mistaken….Melo STILL had 36 points…36 points!!! if you think thats good D then most of you REALLY forget what DEF is and the way the Knicks played it in the 90’s…..
LOL!
I was typing my post..and of course.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
theres more to defense than how many points you give up.
Really though. This is the NBA. Its not always man to man, and these are the best players in the world. The best scorers can still hit contested shots. Check it out… Joe Dumars was widely considered to be a terrific defender. Jordan still dropped 40 on him sometimes.
Just looking at stats can be deceiving. Defensive strategies aren’t as simple as “you get that guy and don’t let him get to the rim”. Picks are set, switches are planned for mismatches and help from teammtes is expected. I’m not calling The Cock a defensive wiz, but he did good job on one of the Top 5 toughest scorers in the league. Credit be given for that, even if he scored over his average.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who looks at Carmelo's stat line
and concludes that Gallo sucks at defense….that dude sucks at life.
Gallo was in Melo’s face all game. The dude’s like Kobe, he’s just gonna get his points, he’s too goo.
He was solid the whole game.
And on offense….damn yo..for real. He’s really turned around this week. Hope he just stays aggressive the whole year.
DWTDD
Melo
Melo averages 28 points….he’s scored above 35 on one other team this month so far. So against the BRILLIANT def of Gallo, he scored his second highest output this month….
that wasn't all against Gallo
but you knew that right?
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
and of course he's gonna step his game up when he's called out like that.
The Knicks won, basically cuz of Gallo.
Gallo outplayed Melo.
What are you criticizing Gallo for…we’re fans of the same team correct?
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
we have a turd in the punchbowl
I repeat… a turd in the punchbowl
by gbaked on Mar 24, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it might have something to do with
dude’s really trying to put on a show in front of the garden faithful. it happens 41 times a year. there’s always someone coming in trying to have that miraculous game.
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by stingy d on Mar 24, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
opinion
I’m just stating my opionion…isn’t what this post is for? Or is it just to praise players for putting a little effort in defense…praise a team thats won 26 games….on pace to lose 50!!! .You have your opinion that he played good def on Melo….your acting like he shut him down….there has to be a ying to your yang….
I said he played solid D.
that’s not shutting down.
You’re acting like he’s not even out there, when in actuality, when Gallo was actually guarding Melo, which wasn’t all the time…Gallo did a solid job. Melo got his of course.
You’re opinion is every time I see someone refer to Gallo and defense, you automatically assume that its not true, based on your past posts.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
solid D??
actually on a few of Melo’s drives to the basket and jumpers it was like he wasn’t out there…LOL…..OK, my opinion is that he didnt play SOLID D either…..pesky effort? occasionally, which is SOOOO different…and your right I actually dont think he’s a good defender. He puts in good efforts (at times) like when A Brooks scored 7 str8 on him to win the game the other day….he was pesky, but that was by no means solid D…..
ok.. im just going to
classify you as the “glass is almost empty” type of guy.. not even half empty.
Gallo didnt shut anyone down, or get close to it.. Melo basically was giving him the business. But melo is a polished, nba icon who can score on anybody. He made his jumpers.. point blank. there were a few times where gallo let him to the basket, and then after that gallo backed off a bit and gave him the J, which he made mostly…
but the aggression and in-your-face-ness defense is what won the game. Melo had to work for his, and Gallo actually brought out the better play in melo tonight. He felt the need to start the shyt talkin right?? I loved it. Gallo never let up against melo, and in the end. Gallo’s team won. He said it best when he said “Melo played great, and their team lost, out TEAM played well, and we won”
Give the sophomore credit.. you and every other analyst laughed and shytted on gallo for making any statement about wanting to guard melo. And all of you expected melo to go bananas on gallo, while gallo wont be able to respond. Well, after the game all the talk wasn’t about melo’s 36, it was about gallo stepping up, playing well, and returning the favor in melo’s presence.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
serious Cheerios shitter...
Unless there’s some sort of “points scored while Gallo was/wasn’t guarding Anthony” analysis, then it’s just he-said/he-said crap. Feelings on Gallo’s D is a subjective topic. Feelings about how great this win was isn’t. Stuff like “Or is it just to praise players for putting a little effort in defense…praise a team thats won 26 games….on pace to lose 50!!!” doesn’t seem like ying to yang. Just sounds like shitting in someone’s Cheerios.
responding
None of my posts today were about Gallo’s offense or being able to respond offensively…..even the so-called analysts said nothing about Gallo’s being able to respond…it was about his defense….
PS – I really dont know what a Cheerios shitter is…LOL….but it sounds funny!!
The analysts don't have a clue, Webber and McCale constantly showed they know nothing about Gallo.
They simply write off Gallo, as being a foreign white goofty tall dude who can’t play D.
Not even when he’s playing good D, do they notice.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Clyd and Breen, dudes' who see Gallo play all the time..
were talking about how he’s playing well on D.
I dunno why its so tough to understand that Fucking Gallo should not be guarding Aaron Brooks and Carmelo Anthony can put up 50 on the best defender in the NBA, let along Gallo.
Aaron Brooks man. 6"0 waterbug…why is a 6"10 dude even trying ?
This ain’t about who’s good or not. Its about who wants to fucking do it, who wants to improve.
Gallo it is.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
for some reason
These guys played the game tho…..they actually do have a clue…..they have more behind their analysis than you or I have….
Breen and Clyde are told to praise Gallo by the Garden…they are homebody’s….its similar to when Kay and Singleton dont critisize th Yanks on Yes….and I’m a HUGE Yankees fan!!!
It’s about coming up with the best def scheme to win games actually….not a coach listening to his best friends son about who to play D on….you think if harrington, or Lee or Duhan would have asked for the assignment he would have complied?
So
was it b/c he was the coach’s “best friends son”? or was it b/c gallo is a definate part of the future of this team, and he is the youngest player on the roster with potentially the most upside to his game?—in addition to the fact that we are out of the playoff race
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
and those analysts
dont really have much behind there reason. Some, yes, but i wouldnt say more than breen or clyde.
Although it isn’t at their expense, they have to watch all the teams in the league. and know most of all the stats. Breen and clyde watch the knicks….every game. they have more knowledge of the knicks than any analyst….and though most announcers are homers.. clyde and breen call it as real as they see it.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Yes
I actually think D’antoni would have but those guys don’t have the balls of the Cock. And I disagree, just because guys played the game doesn’t mean that they don’t get colored by what the prevailing wisdom is.
I definitely think there is a perception among people that don’t watch the Knicks that Gallo can’t play defense and I think it’s because he’s European. I always thought that Gallo shows promise on D because he’s competitive about it. You just don’t find that with a lot of players. Not everyone can shut down everyone else, but in my experience, being competitive about it and not backing down, and adjusting, and not getting intimidated… that’s like 90% of it and Gallo’s got that.
It’s not about how many points Melo scored but whether or not Gallo’s effort caused him to score more or less. Anthony was 14-26, a pretty good percentage. Had he gone 17-26, the Knicks probably lose this game. So did Gallo do a good job and cause him to miss a few shots he would have hit? Or cause him to take a few shots he shouldn’t have? That’s the question. Did Gallo’s defensive effort cause Anthony to score less points than he would have against the average NBA defender? Maybe no, maybe yes. But at least Gallo really tried to slow him down, which is more than 80% of NBA players will do.
ok
thats ridiculous…I’m not even going to respond to that…
no one knows what your responding to
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
50%
14-26 is actually better than 50% field goal percentage….thats not BAD….
14-26 IS good.
That’s the only thing that matters here. 14-26 is good – 17-26 is better. 11-26 is not so good. What effect did Gallo have?
Do you think Melo would have shot a worse percentage with Harrington guarding him
or Chandler? Because he dropped 50 on the Knicks with Chandler mostly guarding him.
Plus, keep in mind, he missed two key shots near the end. Was that good D? The cumulative effect of making him work all game? Or just luck? I guess there’s no way to know.
Personally
After the media blowup about Gallo wanting to guard Anthony, for Anthony to score less than 40 and for the Knicks to win the game despite Lee having a poor shooting night (4-13).. I think that’s a successful outcome.
numbers?
why are you throwing fake numbers out tho? if that the case…ok…..10-30 would have been worse….so would 7-19 (which is what Gallo had)….
just giving examples jbee
Saying that it is impossible for one to sya he did a horrible job or good job against melo.. b/c the withini the numbers, gallo could have affected them .. and since the knicks WON THE GAME (something you seem to forget that happened) the tip of the hat goes in the cocks favor
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
can you please
learn how to use the ‘reply’ function
All due respect
1. The Knicks faced one of the better teams in the NBA.
2. Danilo Gallinari, their second year forward, asks the coach to be given the assignment of guarding Carmelo Anthony, their best player and one of the elite talents in the NBA.
3. This becomes national news, and Gallo becomes the subject of ridicule.
4. Anthony engages in a 3rd quarter back and forth with Gallo, which Gallo answers bucket for bucket, and ends with Gallo hitting two threes and the Knicks taking a significant lead into the fourth quarter.
5. Down the stretch Anthony misses two critical shots and Douglas puts the game away with a big shot.
Yes, Anthony shot a good percentage for the game. Yes, it was better than Gallo’s percentage. Despite that it seems to me Gallo talked the talk and walked the walk. Sure, Anthony was still effective offensively, but not effective enough. The Knicks won the game. I mean, stats and percentages aside, in the psychological game, it’s Gallo-1, Carmelo-0. And I think Gallo earned a lot of respect around the league tonight.
We can agree to disagree, and you may feel that Gallo’s the coach’s pet, and maybe you’re right. But does he not have enormous balls?
all respect is due
Again your missing the point… it was not about offense, not about going toe to toe offensively…it was about Defense. I dont think “phychologically” its anything to Melo…..he has 86 points in 2 games against the Knicks..I think Gallo had like 4 pointys in their first meeting……I dont know about his balls…I’ll let you think about them….lol
one one has mentioned
that Melo MISSED his last 3 shots with the game on the line. First one Gallo got Lee’s help but like said above he funneled him to the middle where the help was. Good D ? I think so. Second was a chippy under the basket which Melo just blew…and the third I believe was a 3 off the side rim. So you could say that b/c of Gallo’s constant pressure all nite Melo might have been alittle tired at the end…just sayin. As stated in the broadcast … Melo has the 3rd most points in the 4th quarter in the league….he usually doesn’t miss THREE shots in a row to end the game. Kudo’s to Gallo and JR …they made him work hard ALL nite and in the end it won them the game and of course DWTDD.
stop replying
seriously
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by stingy d on Mar 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Best win of the season
I Believe in 2010
by Jadden Hopkins on Mar 24, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
Well, I have a different opinion.
“I like to play against the best because that’s the only way to improve,” he said Monday after practice in Greenburgh. “It’s a part of learning. It’s a part of trying to understand where I am and what I have to do get to that level and what they have more than me. I like the challenge.”
I’m of the opinion that Gallinari wants to D up the best players so he can learn their tendencies better for the future, and so he can understand what moves they do that make them such effective (sometimes, as was the case last night, devastating) scorers. I don’t think a 21 year old quasi-rookie with an outrageous basketball IQ is telling his coach he wants to guard the best player on the other team because he wants to gain notoriety as a shut-down defender. Let’s critically think about this a little more.
He’s 21 years old and knows he has a future in the league. He needs to GET good on defense somehow, and it’s not going to be by guarding Wilson Chandler and Al Harrington in practice. I think he’s realized this and has decided that his incubation period, particularly that at the end of a lost season, is worth taking full advantage of. If he calls out a player, he’ll get their best game.
What we’re seeing is a smart player studying the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Osborn on Mar 24, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
FINALLY!
I’m reading all these posts and Osborn hit it on the head. Gallo isn’t in Melo’s neighborhood. But he sure wants to move there. I applaud the effort after such a watered down mid-season slump he had. The boy, “teacher’s pet” or not is on his way and of the attitude players on this team need to suucceed. It works that way on any team. As long as the need to excell means being cohesive with the fellow team-mates. Douglas is also in Gallo’s mind-set. Is he there yet, no. But he’s working towards it. Screw the analysts. They’re just words on a page, not a hillabeans diff to the outcome of the games or franchise. It’s the players and effort and attitude that counts, and Gallo (as well as Douglas – shyte the close of the previous game to making a difference-making shot this one)has got it. I say he paassed the test and whether analysts can admit it or not, he backed his talk up.
Thank Goodness...
We have someone here posting at P&T that is keeping things in perspective and not letting the Knicks faithful that post here get too big for our britches by getting all excited about one game. Or taking hope from one players’ development. Because obviously fans of a team that haven’t cracked 40 wins in nearly a decade and haven’t seen the playoffs since 2003-04 need to be reminded to stay grounded. And by grounded, I mean don’t enjoy small victories. Or anything. Because there are, literally, no other blogs that one could go to in order to rip on the coach or question Gallinari’s dwindling prospects for the future. THANK YOU JASON BEE! THANK YOU!!!
I’ve been inspired. I’m going to go to elementary schools in my free time and tell the children that there is no future for them. And that they’re ugly. And their parents probably didn’t even want to have them.
I'm just baffled
by a Gallo-hater. Or, more specifically, a Gallo fan-hater. I mean, if we’re not suppossed to take enjoyment in our young players development during a losing season, what should we be talking up? The saltiness of the popcorn at the Garden? How white they’ve managed to keep the nets this year? It baffles me. I’m baffled. Baffle = Me.
by RobDiablo44 on Mar 24, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a great display by a young player
well, 2 young players (TD was good again) against one of the best team’s in the NBA (even if they were without K-neck lips-Mart)
I mean, who cares about their record? We all knew it was a wasted season, wasted even more by the no draft pick thing.
If one can’t be excited about a win like this…I have doubts they’ll be excited about the Knicks when they actually are good.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
"I should hope so...
… because I was laying it on kinda think." – Spade
I just enjoy the atmosphere here at the P&T boards (moreso than other Knicks’ blogs because of the negativity that has invaded a significant number of them) and it galls me to see that someone felt it was necessary to join up with 11 games left in the season in order to tell people how much Gallo stinks. It reeks of ‘flamer’… pause… and pause again…
by RobDiablo44 on Mar 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Other then games for the most part..
I can’t stand anything Knicks related other then P&T.
I can’t stand Al Harrington either. Anyone who knocks the Knicks is automatically called an Al Harrington lover.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob
dude….again, this is my opinion…this is a place for opinions right? or am I wrong? I never said how much Gallo stinks…but do I get all excited after him having three good offensive games in a row? No….The issue was brought up and everyone was exagerrating on what great and solid D he played….when in fact, it wasnt either…..yes he was putting his hands up, but when has that ever been called great or solid?
If you have such a problem with me posting my opinion or joining now…thats totally on you…you need to get over it, I really don’t care….
i dont even know what a flamer is?
Jason
It’s not my place to tell you to post your opinions here or not. It is totally your right. But (and this is just MY opinion), coming to a game post after the Knicks have just won their most exciting game of the season and saying, “if you think thats good D then most of you REALLY forget what DEF is and the way the Knicks played it in the 90’s”, and "Or is it just to praise players for putting a little effort in defense…praise a team thats won 26 games….on pace to lose 50!!! “, and ”….not a coach listening to his best friends son about who to play D on…" seems like an uphill battle, needlessly negative, and kind of counterintuitive to you’re whole argument that it’s just an issue you have with Gallinari’s defense. It sounds more like baiting (or “flaming” as it’s called) or, at the very least, raining on the parade, so to speak. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
My only (friendly) suggestion would be that if you don’t want to garner this type of reaction to your opinions, I wouldn’t post negative opinions in a post about (one of the few) Knicks’ victories. I’m sure a fan post entitled “Gallo’s D isn’t good” would get all the debate you could handle. But, as you said, you’re free to post wherever and whatever you want, I imagine (within reason…).
opinion
again I’m just posting my opinion…I DON’T CARE what kind of reaction it gets…..sorry for raining on a 26-45 parade….
Come on now...
don’t whine. No one on this blog cares what anyone else thinks. BUT, I will say that coming to this blog is a breath of fresh air. When we speak on the mishaps of the team, we do just that. But when it comes to the “highlights” and the things that we see as “improvement”, we are in consensus. So we get the feeling that you don’t care, and thats fine, but there’s no reason for the “sorry for rainig on a 26-45 parade….” That was totally uncalled for. Granted its truth, but it’s wrapped in “trollism,” But no doubt, JB, we see your point.
By the way, anyone see the game last night… that was a pretty good game!
GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.
Mr. Bee
I dig your opinions and you ARE right to be cautious in your praise of a losing team. Its not entirely different from celebrating mediocrity.
While I do disagree on your assessment of Gallo, it doesn’t matter. Hope you don’t hold back your opinions in the future. Arguing is good, fun and this IS all opinion based 90% of the time.
It seems to me that much of the defensive kudos given to Mr. Cock was more a touch of pride and effort from a young player who wants to prove himself worthy of the praise we heap on him (and pressure). On a team where defense has not been what it was under Riley/Van Gundy, its encouraging to us that the Knicks don’t just roll over like the 76ers, Timberwolves, Nets, Wizards and the other shit shit teams in the league.
Sometimes little victories matter too, and considering we just beat the Nuggets partially behind the defense of a youngster, well, we are pleased. Carmelo Anthony scored his points on jumpers instead of layups. His jumpers were mostly contested shots and it seems like he had to exude more effort than normal and maybe that contributed to the late game misses.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 24, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone who takes this long to figure out where the reply button is
is only starting to care what people think. its cool.
butt fucking
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by stingy d on Mar 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol.. this guy made a profile just to get attention up here
SMH..
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I wouldn't necessarily want someone to be discouraged
from expressing an opinion here and I don’t think jbee just joined today. But I will say this: I read the comments from this blog because, unlike other blogs, they are not dominated by commenters who insist on talking about how much our coach, GM and players suck. And it’s not so much the opinions I mind, it’s the arguing, where those posters INSIST how much our players, coach and GM suck.
I mean, shit, maybe they do, OK? But I like to be a fan of the New York Knicks and to enjoy the good things that happen, and to have irrational hope for the future. The Knicks aren’t my punching bag that I just enjoy criticizing. They’re my favorite team and I root for them and if that means finding positives in Bill Walker’s resemblance to an owl, then that’s what I’m going to do and I think a lot of people here feel the same way and that’s why I like it.
So, I so apologize, Jason, if you feel piled on, but I think you will find a consensus around here that we love Gallo and Toney Douglas and we think they can lead us to happiness and glorious victories, and we don’t want to change. We reserve our harshest opinions for Harrington and Duhon and other teams’ players. As for D’antoni and Walsh, the jury’s still out. We may be wrong, sure but we are having fun and actually enjoying this season, dining on pyschedelic rooster feathers and drunk on the idea that one of the things Toney Douglas Do is win a championship. And I for one don’t want to change until circumstances force me to.
Anyway, opinions are welcome but I think this group is pretty light and positive and goofy and I for one would like it to stay that way because we seem to manage to avoid those buzzkill arguments that never seem to get resolved and aren’t much fun.
yeah, when you grab our Cock, we tend to yell, lol (pause)
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I still haven't made up my mind whether this bee's trolling us all
When the main points Bee keeps mentioning is Melo scored 36 points last night and 86 overall in two. Your opinion is your opinion, and that’s fine, but you aren’t really telling us anything we don’t know. Melo’s one of the most gifted scorers in the league and he’s going to get his in some fashion. What we’re happy about seeing from last night was the effort team-wise and Gallo specifically ,both on D and pulling it together in the final moments when it usually cracks up to secure the win.
This decade of losing has really beat you down, man. Take off the sunglasses and enjoy the feel of Gallo’s warm gallo on your face. It’s nice. Try it..
By the way
How come nobody has mentioned that Carmelo was -1 and Gallo was a robust +12 last night?
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Mar 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to bring it up, but I didn't want anyone to accuse me
of relying on stats to tell the whole story. I didn’t see the game, so I can’t comment on it. I can just comment on the quote and my interpretation.
Either way, Excellent point.
+/- isnt a very good stat, but i think it works here. any time you can bait melo into
ignoring his teammates (2 assists in 42 minutes for melo) you have won a significant battle against denver.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
positivity rules
But errybody’s entitled to an opinion. As long as we’re all kind and respectful to one another, there’s always room for a li’l debate.
by Seth on Mar 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i tend to completely disagree
but i see your point.
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by stingy d on Mar 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i see your point
like gallo’s matador d.
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by stingy d on Mar 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
And Jason Bee is apparently a Master Debater.
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Mar 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
You guys are gonna make me cry…lol…seriosuly tho….looks like a decent post…look forward to having discussions/arguments/agreements?? With you in the future….
What got me excited
When I saw Gallo grab the game by the balls and assert his will. We saw a bit of the fire and grit he posseses, this is something you can’t teach. A 21 year old took the garden on his back and performed. When was the last time we saw a young player really start to come into his form with the knicks?
dude
- Tracy McGrady tried to dunk on Chris Andersen in the first quarter. Birdman would have none of it, but the refs called a foul. Champagne was spilt in memory of Shawn Bradley.
im so mad i missed that
i didnt know the game was coming on NBAtv til 2nd quarter
does anybody have a youtube?
Jason Bee, the attraction of this blog in particular...
…is the unwavering positivity and hope in the future. For the last ten years, we have seen our once glorious franchise turn to relative shit. I, personally, know not a single person that shares my enthusiasm about the Knicks (regardless of their team) – save for the loyal fans at P&T. There are other blogs out there that are filled with other types of fans that MAY suit YOUR outlook better. I’m also pretty sure that everyone else would love to have you around here. Yet, I think it is important that you maintain the decorum that has become standard at P&T, such as DWTDD, faith in the plan, and rooting for The Rooster.
Also, I think it is important that you understand that the denizen of this blog, despite their rosy outlook, are knowledgeable when it comes to the game of basketball. We know what good basketball is, and bad basketball. When our team is 45-26 and in the thick of the playoff hunt, we can begin to nitpick.
Agreed
Why are people pooping on the cock parade?
by GonzoTheGreat on Mar 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Being an out of market guy...
…I’d kill for the gametape of last night’s performance. Almost makes me forget about the Pat Cummings days. Almost.
The game recap up above is arguably the most clever thing I’ve read on the Interwebs in ages. Ditto this series of threads.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
Do you think Melo and Gallos conversation after the game
was like “Melo, whya youa denya my Faceabook friend requesta?”
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
We'll never know what they said to each other
Gallo knows how Melo feels about snitchin
Must say...
for whatever reason, the elephant tidbit and imagery made me chuckle heartily…
- The T-Mobile My Touch is the first phone that becomes 100% you. They’re not kidding. I was playing with one in the luxury suite on Sunday and within minutes, I was holding a clone of myself.
pause
DWTDD
well..I saw this as
I was holding a clone of myself.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i been trying to say
dudes are abusing the pause-button.
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by stingy d on Mar 24, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
suppose it was a bit of a reach around
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Walker: See him as solid minutes getter in post-free agent bonanza?
Enquiring minds want to know.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
I dunno what exactly solid minutes would be in a Pringles led team
But I think Bully’s earned a spot back next year…I think we all can consensus on that..tho that doesn’t really matter.
I think Giddens, being a hustle player has earned it too.
I think all these dudes, Chan, Gallo, Walker, Giddens, TD..those 5, may allow the Knicks to simply say fuck it..lets get the 2 max players.
Obviously flying jets right now…but
TD
HWSNBN
Cock
Amare
Center (….who?)
Then you got Walker, Chan and Giddens, hopefully a vet PG and a Tall person, off the bench.
Dunno about you…but that’s redonkulous.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank would be 'Chris Dudley Back Page Hero of the Daily News,' Redonkulous.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/11/amd_dudley-then-1.jpg
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
Amare
I’ve posted before why I’m not a fan of getting Amare (his absurdly vicious dunk the other night not withstanding), but in short, i think he doesn’t bring enough to the table offensively to justify making him a target particularly over Bosh, but also over Boozer. To me he’s a more athletic, better offensively, worse rebounding, equivalent defender to David Lee who has had several surgeries, is approaching his 30’s and runs a serious risk of breaking down in the next few years. Plus he dogs it. It’s possible on a team with LeBron (or a player like him) that he’d get called out for that defensively, but it’s just as likely he’s set in his ways.
as long as we MAKE SURE
that Bosh, Amare or Boozer (or David Lee) , are playing PF, then I don’t care who it is among them.
But they MUST be the 4, not the 5.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
my take on the pf's
Started out the year down on Stoudemire largely due to his rebounding rate. I saw Bosh as the superior player. Thanks to the godsend that is NBA League Pass, I’ve gotten to watch a lot of both of them. Now, I am starting to see Amare as better than Bosh. Bosh is more skilled yes, but lacks the ‘oomph’ that Stoudemire brings to the game, the edge,if you will. Also, Amare protects the rim better than Bosh.
The next tier is Lee and Boozer. I see them as about equal, but prefer Lee. Boozer may be a better defender, but not by much. Lee is more versatile offensively IMO. Imagine DLee got to run the pick n roll with Deron Williams!?!
Unrelated, but just floating it out there. How many games does this lineup win? How far in the playoffs?
TD
Tmac (on the cheap)
Gallo
DLee
Stoudemire
Chandler
Camby (?)
Walker
Giddens
Depends on T-Mac
But next year that’s a 50 win team that loses in the second round.
I think we'd be decent
I think they’d have a shot at the playoffs. I dunno about Camby. In theory he’s a great fit. But, kinda like Tmac..he’s old and creaky..who knows?
Obviously, the development of TD, Cock and Chan plays a lot into that. A full year of these dudes playing and gaining confidence, as well as having a dude like Amare to help Lee (vice versa too).
I think it could work.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
amare reminds me of ginobili
he gets by all year, nothing spectacular, the occasional beast game that makes you wonder. but as the year progresses, he starts droppin 30-35-40 point games on everybody’s heads like he’s been there all along.
he shows up heavy when you need him. and as for the injury prone idea…. he obviously had a full recovery from any knee problems. and the eye injury that he lost a season to, is such a bizarre incident, but it gets lumped in with this idea that he has creaky knees.
thi sshit gets me worked up, but it doesn’t make sense to lobby for bosh over amare, and i can’t believe people view bosh as a max or even close to max player. he’s eddy curry, but deserving of the salary.
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Bosh is Zach Randolph but less insane.
and speaking of Ginobili…dude’s a FA this year. Highly doubt he leaves his cushy job with the Spurs, but maybe……
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel you
I too was first on the stoudemire bandwagon early this season. THen dropped off as to when i saw he does not play the defense i thought he did. But now, i seem to be back on again. pause I really dont see much of a difference with him or bosh.. bosh has better mid range. defense by both is ..well, marginally even. I thought bosh has more shot blocking abilities but again, b/w the two , even
Id put either at PF and get a defensive minded Center. (haywood, camby, few other young names i saw on the article about centers O posted)
but b/w the two. Assuming we had a center in place. I go for bosh. only becuase he has an outside shot to go with his post game. …..but then again.. amare’s athleticism is crazy! hed bring a lot of attention in fast breaks and pick n roll’s which DA loves to run.
but bosh seems to be the better passer out of the two…
meh… moot point .. i cant decide right now. I’d have to see who we have at center.
but then again.. hwsnbn’d urged cleveland to sign amare this past trade deadline…hmmmm
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Amar'e has an outside shot
It’s not as refined as Bosh’s but it’s effective from 17’ in.
ok
so hwsnbn’d with amare or bosh
not saying thats the route we can go, but hypothetically speaking. which combo would be more effective?…id go amare, he’s more of a muscle head n*** and would have a more “beast mode” mentalityy vs bosh( i know, im switching up more than bernie williams)
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I'd go with Amare
but if Donnie Basketball goes with Bosh…I don’t think it’d be a problem.
Whatever works and is available.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i bet... but don't plan to look it up
that amare has a better ft% than bosh.
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I thought...
you didn’t plan to look it up? ;-) I’m good with both, but Bosh’s youth is the deciding factor for me givin’ him the slight edge in my eyes.
and the deciding factor for me
is bosh’s weak heart. and amar’e’s lion heart…. and i think seth’s deciding factor is the possessive conjugation of amar’e.
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Hey if they don't get HHSNBN
and they end up with Lee at the 4 and Amare at the 5, with Douglas, Walker, Chandler , Gallo and maybe McGrady, I think that’s pretty damn good.
I think that’s the main advantage of Amar’e over Bosh is that he can play the 5, and is probably a pretty good match with Lee because Lee’s rebounding makes up for that missing part of Amare’s game.
I think Amare + Lee is better than Bosh + whatever free agent center they could get. I’m starting to like the ide of getting Amar’e.
by fuhry on Mar 25, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i can't even begin to explain
how wildly in support of this idea i am.
my next move would be to let eddy curry’s contract expire, and sign chris paul to a max deal.
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yes lee would compliment the boards
but who would be our paint defense player? lee? amare?? id like a id take a true center whose role would be to clean the glass and guard the rim.
offensively that idea works great..but we all know defense wins championships
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
a good defensive point guard
might change the need for a defensive center… and look: we got one. our team defense would not be so bad if getting to the basket was really tough.
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good point(pun intended)
but the problem with going this route is time. This could be easy to achieve if bro..i mean, hhsnbn’d come out early and says no ny, or resigns with cleve. if not.. i think teams would take advantage of the wait and will be all up in david lee’s ear.
the sooner we do or dont get hhsnbn, the better.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Bravo Mr. Fuhry!!
I agree that aside from getting Lebron, this is the best csae situation. Amare can play 4 or 5. There are so few true centers playing at a high level, it’s good to have Amare’s flexibility over Bosh’s higher skill set!
Absolutely
David Lee needs a partner in crime. Get him that. Amare >> Bosh
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
could it be possible that we sign and trade DLEE for Amare?
I don’t exactly understand what we’d be gaining…but it could be I’d think…
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What the deal with the
sign and trade business.. why not wait until these guys are free agents? wouldnt a sign n trade mean we would have to give up more than just D lee?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
The value of the S&T
is that if we did it third, we could sign two max players AND trade for a third.
how so
a sign and trade would most likely be for a deal that would be given to amare this offseason right? meaning they sign amare to a deal we approve of? and visa versa of dlee? then trade the two?- i really know nothing about a sign n trade deal
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Well
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that we sign Lebron and Joe Johnson to contracts that eat up all of our cap space. We couldn’t sign a third player without going over. However, we can sign David Lee to a deal that brings us over the cap. We can then package David Lee (and whatever other contracts even out the money in the deals) to Toronto for Bosh, newly signed by Toronto. As long as the money is close, the trade will work.
nope
to sign 2 max, we have to renounce the rights of every FA we have, thus losing any bird rights.
A sign and trade with DLee makes little sense, unless it is first and it is for one of the max guys. But it still makes little sense.
Curry on the other hand…
Well
Couldn’t we keep the bird rights and still make the sign and trade with Lee? If we could package him with Curry (which, yes, is something that would only work if the player we’re after has their old team over a barrel) we could still pick up three big time players couldn’t we?
not really
once you sign and traded lee and signed a max with him your cap will be all filled.
i guess there is some way involving curry to get 3 max guys, but that aint gonna happen. nobody is gonna sign and trade for curry for a superstar FA… it would make more sense to just let that superstar walk. at the very least we would need to add in a young guy like TD or Walker or Chandler to make it worthwhile for the other team.
I guess that dude that's constantly saying the Knicks must sign and trade Lee for Amare
then draft Cole Aldrich in the 2nd round…got me thinking a bit.
Agree, sign and trade does nothing.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness to that guy
He actually says we should “buy” a top six pick for Aldrich. And hey, I think we’re all for buying a top six pick. Shall we pass the hat around?
amare setting the pick up top
lee setting back picks, and coming from the weak side for rebounds…..
fuck it, i’m in.
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what if they don't have to sign Amare for a max?
HWSNBN, Amare and Lee?
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish
but if we get amare first…im sure that means the end of lee.. and HHSNBN will come next.
Lee is a knick though.. and i would love to see him here when we are a winning team. he shows mad heart, and always strives to become a better player.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
All hail the Cock!!
Look back a couple of months ago, when DWTDD was getting garbage time and Gallo was air-balling free throws. Seems like a long time ago now.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Oh yea btw
I’m new to the blog, been reading and following it for a while, but what does HWSNBN stand for? I know it’s LeBron, but what’s the actual meaning behind it?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
he who shall not be named
stems from the feeling from earlier in the season that the local media was clamoring way too much far too soon about Mr. James. i requested (only for one day, mind you, when the knicks played the cavs), that we not participate in the fellatio by boycotting his name entirely.
i'd like to add
that should lebonz sign with the knicks this off-season- he should still be referred to as HWSNBN
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I don't really like this idea
But I could get behind it if this were made his official theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av77_epf3l4
i don't really like that idea
unless we can still call him hwsnbn
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He'll be HWSNBN
until he wins a championship with the Knicks.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What a recap!
The intrigue, the emotion, the reply button, the penned elephants! This one had it all, and stands as a fitting P&T monument to the knick’s best win in some time. Nothing further, your honor.
Adios muchachos. And now to change pants again.
It's always fun...
reading these posts! I love the fact Gallo is playing better. If he continues to play this way for the rest of the season, then he’ll be almost as good as many of US think he is now. Although he is playing better, Channing Frye had as good numbers during his time with the Knicks. Maybe even better. It’s great to see Gallo put the ball on the floor and drive to the rim more. Hit or miss it’s what we need to see from Gallo. As far as his defense is concerned, it’s gotten better too. He’s no longer a pushover. But solid defense is reaching a little. Passable defense is more like it. At least he’s improving! He’s even challenging himself to play better now and it shows on the court. If only he’d done it 30 games ago! There’s always next year for the playoffs!!
Ginobili
I don’t want to talk about Plan A for this off-season. We all know what it is and if that comes to fruition then all else is moot. However, we need to have a Plan B and here is what I think it should be. If Plan A fails, instead of going for some other player who is not really a max player, I think we should focus on getting a PG who is capable of running D’Antoni’s offense. And I think we should go all out for Manu Ginobili and make him our PG. He can score, he can dish, he can drive to the basket and he can be uptempo, he is tough to stop – I mean he has everything we will need. And he may not require a max player like salary. What a great fit he would be for us. He is making almost 10 mil this year (I think). I think San Antonio will try to low-ball him. Even if we get him for 10-11 m over 4-5 years, and sign David Lee for 8-9 m over 4-5 years, we will still have enough money to get a center like Camby and/or somebody else – may be swap Eddie Curry for Dalembert (with some cash from the Knicks, this can save upto 5mil for the 76ers). This will assure us at least of having a good team for next year – good PG play and a couple of shot blockers while letting Lee play PF. May be with some good negotiations, we may still have money left over. We will still be in a good position to take on an unwanted contract of a very good player from another team. Just think of how many players were unwanted to their teams last year and we were not in a position to even think about them. If we can’t attract free agents this off-season, we will have to build our team one step at a time through good signings and good trades since we don’t have draft picks in 2 of the next 3 drafts and even the one we have probably won’t be a good one. It all has to start with Ginobili. More so since there are no good PGs available on the horizon, at least for the Knicks, in the near future.
I don't think Manu is the answer
There is not doubt he is a very good player across alot of levels. But I think much of his success has been because he isn’t the #1 option in San Antonio. Duncan and Parker are ahead of him and they don’t even rely on Manu to be a big leader. He stays under the radar (also why he chooses to be the 6th man) and I don’t think you build around him. Plus, he is creeping in age and has been having a number of injuries each year. To give him double digit millions would blow up in our face. I do like the guy, but he is not the guy you get first. He is a final piece. And well, I don’t see him ever leaving San Antonio either. They wont lowball him. They are a smart team.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 26, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What's your answer then?
Well, I don’t agree with you. Manu comes off the bench simply because Pops likes to play a different style with Duncan and Parker. Manu is just too frenetic for them. But come 4th quarter and in important games, the ball always goes through Manu. I agree he is getting up there in age – he is 33, but he still has a few good years left in him. He is not the kind of player to dog it, he will give his all, everytime. That kind of attitude rubs off on teammates – I wonder how many championships they would have won without him. They absolutely depend on him to bail them out everytime they get stuck with their scoring.
Anyway, I did say in my write-up that we are lacking alternatives. If Lebron or Wade are not coming, then we absolutely need a very good PG to run D’Antoni’s system to its potential. We do not want to adjust his system to fit the personnel, but we want to get the personnel to make his system run. Since we do not have picks, we cannot hope to get such a PG in the draft. And all the good PGs are not up for trades. And that is where Manu comes in.
Im good with
Toney douglas as the point…i wouldnt stress going for manu with the young talent TD has shown.
Plan b would be like what fuhry stated a few scrolls up. Stoudemire/lee combo.
we would look like this
TD
Tmac(if continues to show health improvement) if not we have chandler/walker
gallo
lee
stoudemire
Like walsh has been saying, Just b/c we have the cap room doesnt mean he will get desperate and throw it at any free agent that could help us. He will go only after players that he wants.
Id take taht lineup above into the next season..with the possibility of landing melo in the next offseason.(thnx you eddyf atboi curry)
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
i dunno dude
ginobili usually dogs it through the first half of every season, and then turns on the jets and the afterburners in the second half.
i dunno… i don’t really look at everybody’s stats too hard, but i seem to remember the beginning of this season, everyone said its the end of ginobili and he don’t have it no more. and now what?
it’s the same story every year. ginobili must be doggin it, at least SOME of the time. cus he definitly plays some mediocre basketball.
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I like Ginobili
but I think HWSNBN is more likely to be a Knick then Ginobili. I highly doubt he leaves San Antonio.
As for the actual fit…he’s one of the more injury prone players in the NBA. Dunno if that’s cuz he’s got a big nose, but both of that is true.
I highly doubt that one Ginobili would be the answer for the Knicks. Maybe a Ginobili and Amare or somthing like that.
…Ginobili’s also not a PG….so I dunno what’s with that. He can play point..he shouldn’t be your primary point.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 26, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ginobli is a sg who distributes when he has to
but he has become very comfortable with his niche in San Antonio, and because he plays so much overseas during the offseason, is pretty old, and dealing with injuries, he is not a guy that a young team like the knicks should build around, especially in double digit millions.
Personally, wade would be a better fit at pg, but i dont see him leaving miami unless it’s for chicago (or miraculously, a LBJ and wade tandem in NY). There is always potential for the Wiz to buyout gilbert arenas, and pair him with mcgrady, bosh/amare, a center, and gallo, chandler, TD, walker, Giddens, lebron, bill russel, conan o’brien, a ford pinto, and a tyrannosaurus, but we will have to wait and see.
by Ray Smuckles on Mar 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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