Hahn: "D'Antoni Coached Scared"
It's the time of year for Knicks-related angst, and that's manifesting all over the interwebs, including amongst the P&T ranks. One manifestation of the moodiness is an upturn in grumbling over the coaching job Mike D'Antoni has done, due at least in part to the fact that D'Antoni has butted heads with members of the media in recent weeks. As citizens of a community that thrives on positivity and lightheartedness, I urge you to relax. We were forewarned that this year would get rough. Don't give in to the frustration that's oozing into the papers. It's just a basketball team, and we're all in this together as Knicks fans (cue High School Musical tunez).
That said, the Knicks are a bad, bad team, and there is room for clear-headed, reasonable criticism. Unsurprisingly, Alan Hahn is the one to deliver. He's got a very solid piece up today that's critical, but not wildly so, of the job Mike D'Antoni has done this season. I think it falls well in line with some of the knocks on D'Antoni that have come up in our game threads and discussions around the blog. Reading the whole thing will require a subscription, but here's a snippet:
D'Antoni is ripped by "experts" for such cliche things: not fouling up three, not communicating his every decision with players, for not emphasizing defense. But the real criticism - what sums all of it up - is that D'Antoni coached scared. Worried about losing when the expectations were so low to begin with.
His lack of self-confidence was never more evident than in February, when his body language showed a coach on the verge of surrender. No one ever said a word to Al Harrington about dominating the ball. No one challenged all-star David Lee to give up his body on defense and then be a leader and call out teammates who didn't stay with their man, which caused him to have to use fouls to protect the basket. That's how it's supposed to go. Lee to the bench with early foul trouble and then someone gets an earful because an important player is now out of the game. Lee bailed out his teammates by doing nothing and, as a result, took all the blame instead. Weak.
Read the whole thing if you can. Hahn's points are well thought-out and don't stink of petty interpersonal beefs. That's really what we're going for. There's plenty of room to be critical, but try not to lose your head or your sense of humor over any of this.
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He should be scared that lebron (or insert big name free agent here) will only want to come if there is a defensive minded coach in place.
If all of this is true, I take back the things I said about David Lee
I still think that MDA can get the job done the next few years. After reading that snippet, I do feel bad for taking shots at Lee.
"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian." --Mike Tyson
Is this really a piece that can be considered empirical?
Coaching scared? What does that even mean? I can’t STAND seeing Al out there, but as much as i hate to admit it who else is there to play? Al can at least sometimes score unlike Bender who can’t do anything of value, and then there is Eddy Curry. Hill definitely should have been playing earlier in the year along with TD and we can put that on the coach.
Blaming Dantoni for being an awful defender is a stretch if there ever was one. Lee gets rebounds because there is not one other player on the knicks who can rebound and the opposition can’t get all of them. He doesn’t box out worth a damn, is consistently beaten by both bigger and smaller players and is of the worst help defenders I have ever seen. For how much he worked on his jumper over the summer I wish he woulda put in some time with his coniditioning and strength to help him defensively.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Mar 3, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions
Lee is a good rebounder
He was getting 8/9 a game when he was young and playing 20-30 minutes a game. He also put a ton of work in strength wise before this season, gaining around 20 pounds of muscle (how quickly we forget these things) before this season.
You are correct when you say that he doesn’t box out every possession this season (didn’t used to be an issue). My take on this is simply that he’s expending so much energy now, playing 40 minutes every night, with the ball running through his hands on the offense and battling guys who are almost universally bigger than he on the defense that his legs are gone. Obviously I can’t get inside his head, but that’s what I’ve seen.
The truth is that you probably can’t compete for a title if David Lee is your best or even second best player. That hurts to say, because I really like him and admire the effort he puts in, but it’s true. This is something to consider when deciding whether or not to keep him next year.
Agreed
the rest of the roster plays into his rebounding numbers just like it would with players like Ellis, Arenas and Zack Randolph scoring wise: it occurs by default. Put him in place of Odomwith Bynum and Gasol and i don’t see him having double digit rebounds like Odom has. Although, I digress, I am very down on Lee this season after seeing how much he is exposed on the defensive end.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Mar 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I disagree
Put him on the Lakers where he has no responsibilities besides rebounding and he’ll pull down 12-13 a game with four offensive. He’d be a great 4th banana on that team. Can’t pay a 4th banana 10 mil a year though.
I chop them up
And dip them in my creamy, creamy yogurt.
pauseeeeee
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
not empirical
and notice that I haven’t been brave enough to call out D’Antoni in these parts. my point was really just to show that there are ways of expressing criticism that are 1. not the same shit everybody’s saying and 2. not in caps lock.
I hear ya on that
i didn’t mean to get overly critical, I just can’t stand the MSM’s constant use of things like courage and grit for reasons teams win or fear and non-winner for reasons teams lose. This roster is flat out oh-so bad, and at least IMO that is the main reason why we are 20-39. Dantoni definitely could have done some things better, but the names on our roster make a 500 season insanely difficult.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Mar 3, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
and i think hahn understands some of that, particularly if you (are able to) read the very end of that article.
Seth, if this is really your 21st birthday,
why are you still sober and coherent? For shame, sir.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
First things first...
Happy 21 Seth…I am also wondering how u are celebrating ur 21st and still sober at 1 in the afternoon? Embrace the debauchery.
Anyhow, Danonti aint perfect but he’s also not a complete moron and we’ve invested too much in him (hope,money,plans,players and personnel) too take the easy way out at this point. I don’t even like Dantoni’s overall attitude myself really, but he at least deserves a chance to fail before we call for his head.
I think it would be more of a failure to actually fire him before we get a chance to sift through upcoming free agents.
I understand though. sometimes as Knicks fans we gotta blow steam. So I understand people putting him on the chopping block but it’s not realistic. That doesn’t mean we should stay pat and soak in mediocracy and be happy about it cuz the plan is 2010 or bust. Cause no matter how many bums are on this team, buy(or win) tickets that put millions in their pockets so they should be held accountable to play and play hard.
In return we should endure and at least try and stay optimistic.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions
Haha
mediocracy. sounds like a quacky tv sitcom spin-off with the kid from 2 and 1/2 men.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Mar 3, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
im guessing
contest either friday or saturday for monday nights game?
JETS
D'Anphony and Walsh suck
The Knicks should have been sitting with Brook Lopez and Brandon Jenning. They were all over the Knicks boards and BOTH were dire positions of need. Instead we chose NY coaches GODSON (NEPOTISM) anyone and Jordan Hill (not a position of need in the NBA- look at Gooden/Channing Frye/Warrick -mature NBA players you can get for 3-5M now).
All this magi trick BS by Walsh is bs. Marbury/Rose/Crawford/QRich/Jerome James were expiring anyway that is 70M in expiring contracts as soon as you step in the door!! Lee and Robinson are also off the roster so that salry is coming off too- Come on now!
So if he had done nothing but drafted for positions of need and let the contracts he had expire when they were due and not resigned anyone including Lee and Robinson-
Our starting line-up would be
/BLopez/Zbo/QRich/Crawford/Jenning -
Jerome James/Curry/Jeffries/Chandler/Balkman and Collins in the bench. With James/Crawford/QRich coming off the cap – thats 30M!! Enough to sign one max agent. The following year Curry + Jeffries + Zbo expires ) more than enough to sign another max agent.
We would be going into this next year with BLopez/Zbo/Jennings – much better than what we have now imo.

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