Donnie's Choice: Which Big Name Power Forward Fits Best with the 2010 Knicks?

I’d argue Bosh makes his teammates better by taking on the offensive load and drawing attention.

Also, switch up the maximums to 5 year deals. Potentially 6 if you can work out a sign/trade with the players current team. It may take that to get Bosh, for instance.

In conclusion, you keep David Lee and let the Bulls get Bosh :)

Then again…it shows that Chris Bosh is a pussy, and David Lee should stay in NYC.

At least based on the 3+ mill we’d save, cuz they all suck at defense…so it doesn’t really matter in that regard.

If we’re getting HWSNBN…I think Lee is the best option. I think he can run the floor a lot better then them all.

If Lee is given a proper Center to play with…Lee is like a friggin Point Power Forward. Dude can handle the rock

Much rather have HWSNBN and Lee..then fill in with vets/who’s here, then sign Bosh and Joe Johnson, or Joe Johnson and Amare.

Amare and Bosh are basically Lee…except..well.. you know.

is why i dont think he will be a very good PF.

Last night Boozer was able to come out and contest his shots. Normally, when he plays C, the opposing big man wont venture that far out.

I think that the DLee we see on O every night that we all love is mostly a effect of a guy that is too big guarding him.

1- he has played the fewest games
2- he keeps the ball moving on offense
3- we already know he’ll defer to gallo and be a great 3rd option

I do like Lee, and I like how he seems interested and able to develop chemistry with his teammates. That said, Amare has a ‘Monster’ quality that Lee won’t ever have. Bosh is more skilled and more able to take over a game, but something worries me about his teammate-ness. I think Boozer’s really good – he has a similar game to Lee but I think he’s a little better. But he’s also disloyal and I think he really screwed up by leaving Cleveland. Plus, he’s two years older than Lee.

disclaimer: i didn’t read the post yet

but out of those four guys, i don’t think Lee and Boozer really have the size. we need some minutes at the 5 spot, and i know Lee has been there but that’s not a title-winning approach.

between Bosh and Amare, I think Amare is probably a better fit in Pringles’ offense since he can really run the floor. defensively, I figure that Amare is better suited to switching the pick and roll which we do often.

of course, if we end up with Lee or Bosh, that’s okay too. but Amare’s where it’s at. but if our main prize is Boozer then i’m calling for Walsh’s head.

then that’s the route I think you go.

If you’re signing a max or a near max, you gotta go with Bosh IF you’re pairing him with another stud. If we sign only one big name, I would be upset if it was Bosh.

Amare is a beast, but too one dimensional. Boozer is solid, but not sure he’s that much better than Lee to justify a big price tag.

Also, don’t discount the idea that Scola for 8.5/yr might be the best option.

does anyone else have a slight boner that Steve Lavin is the coach of St. Johns?

Imagine..St.Johns back for the college BB scene, then we got the fuckin Knicks back?

Bosh is by far the best player of these 4. Don’t kid yourself into thinking otherwise

Keep Lee and a 2nd round pick to develop. I feel this yearsdraft has some depth to it to be able to pick up a developing big man. Lee is very active and if he commits to developing his strength and conditioning, he definately has room to grow still in defensive skills, whereas I don’t see the other fellas as developing beyond where they are. A ball handling SF like Lebron can only make the guys around him better, but David and Lebron’s (I know this is a what-if) ball handling skills would be just that much better than with the other guys (Bosh, Amare, etc). A serviceable true center focused on defending the paint negates getting a guy like Amare, and having Wilson and Gallo and Walker basically gunning the SG spot (sounds funny, but they already got him running with the PG’s), I think that a gives us a good inside outside “big” team. Bosh definately seems like the 2nd choice (to me) to Lee in all-around skills, but he’s never seemed to me to be a mentally strong player, Boozer has never felt like a team player, whereas I just don’t know what to think about Amare – I really can’t tell if he’s a team player or not overall, but also, as he advances over the course of the season, will he hold up?

Comparing Lee and Bosh, man i dont know. Lee is a solid rotational player, but he is no star; too many shortcomings on D. Bosh is currently the star of a bad team. I think we can all agree that neither one of these guys should be the go-to option on offense next year, so who would you rather have as a role player, Lee or Bosh?

Bosh is so much better in this regard, and does not leave a gaping defensive hole in the paint. He also doesn’t rely on mismatches to score his points, has the better range, can run the floor at least as well as lee if not better, blocks shots, and is leading the league in boards per game. My opinion, he does everything lee can, and more. Yeah he’s frail, but when has lee out muscled anybody for anything? and I know lee leads the league in assists for a center, but that again should be credited to the mismatches he creates and the style he runs in. In other words, Toronto’s gameplan is not for bosh to distribute, NY’s to a certain point is for lee.

Lee is cheaper because he is not as good a player. As much as i hate to say this, i don’t see NY winning it all with Lee as a starter because other teams can exploit him. How does lee guard rashard lewis, josh smith, pau gasol, dirk, even garnett? He’s too slow for those PF’s and we know he’s not big enough to work on centers. Im sry David, i both like and respect you, but on a winning team, you are only a 6th man of the year candidate :(

Want to go cheap and be a first round exit, or want to have a team that threatens to win it all? i guess if we have LBJ than this is a moot point, as he can make about anyone a contender, but as mentioned before, who ya think he would rather play with? I believe he said it himself.

If any, Donnie needs to find a legit center, Any one of the names mentioned won’t cut it in the center spot

is if we add a guy who scores 30 a game. david lee’s role is so wildly different and way more in tune to what makes him successful. these things will allow david the comfort to be the leagues best rebounder since ben wallace (at his best).

and i think he is a better passer than all these mopes by far. and its not because of the system. he happens to be the best fit. also, he won’t be soft in crunch time.

numbers, numbers, numbers until you need ONE play. for all the marbles.

But I chose Lee. If you can pair him with Marcus Camby for under the cost of a max and get LeBron, or you trade Curry/Chandler/Walker-or-Douglas for Paul/Okafor, I think it’s a win.

no instincts. just big, sort of athletic. doofus.

Amare Stoudemire is the answer and the solution.
Resign D.Lee and then trade him with E.Curry to Phoenix for the real stud of PF’s.

The guy is a little weak on the defensive side.
he will get you the boards along with twenty everynight and thirty when needed for that speacial game.
With T.Douglas/J.Johnson/W.Chandler at the 1-2-3 spot he is ideal for the 4 spot towards success. The othe rthree play good solid defense so he can fit in along with them.
The guy cannot be stopped on offense from scoring.

C.Bosh is a diva, D.Lee is overrated, C.Boozer has to many personal issues.
A.Stoudemire overcame a very serious injury, that shows how focus he can be towards playing with D’Antoni towards a championship.

Th eother guys are not even close to the talent of Amare.

I don’t see why anyone would think having Lee back over Bosh & Co. would be a loss.

I’ve been hearing alot of :
“so & so is superior by far!” …..this is simply untrue.

Most of these guys are pretty similar from both a numbers and ability standpoint. The only real standout would be in terms of ability where Stoudemire’s athleticism pops out but not much else. ALL of them are terrible defenders in the paint…ALL OF THEM.

None of them has ever done anything to put their respective teams “over the edge” so to dismiss Lee thinking one of these other guys will do what he can’t , we would be getting ahead of ourselves a little.

I think Bosh is a bitch, but I’m no fool…he is a very talented player who has to be respected and has been one of the most efficient since KG and Duncan and even though I hate him, I’d take him If he would D up like KG and Duncan. I don’t think he will so there is no use to overpay him or anyone else for that matter when we have a player currently on the squad that can do the same things and won’t break the bank.

If you look at the evolution of David Lee’s game be it by stats or actual game footage he has clearly gotten better each and every year by working on a different aspect of his game. Given that and the fact that he is still young I wouldn’t at all be surprised If he came back next yr and became a much better defender. The dude has that type of work ethic.

I definitely think Knicks fans tend to undervalue how rare a commodity Lee is. Isiah sucks big dick, but he copped Lee with the last pick of the first round in 2005. Say what you want about the man, but he hit it out of the park with this pick. Lee is unequivocally the leader of this team, his teammates respond to him and he has an extremely advanced offensive game that suits D’Antoni’s style of play perfectly.

He gets a lot of stick for being poor defensively, but you can say that for pretty much everybody on this team. Defense is less individual than people think and a more team oriented aspect of the game. Every good defensive team has one dominant defensive player that creates problems for the other team and everybody else on the team caters to said player’s strengths.

Does anybody actually think Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter or Jameer Nelson are good defenders? No, but they just funnel guys into the middle and Howard swats the shit out of the ball. Charlotte predicates their defense on having Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson pressure the shit out of their men to create turnovers and the rest of the team capitalizes on those miscues.

If it’s up to me I think we keep Lee and if I’m Donnie I make sure I pick up Jarvis Varnado from Mississippi State. He’s extremely athletic, plays the pick and roll extremely well. is a monster defensively averaging 4.7 blocks per game and an excellent rebounder. Rebounding and blocks are two statistics that translate extremely well from the college level to the pros.

Signing Lee to a 5-year, $55 million contract prorated like the one Rondo got, starting at $9 million the first year and increasing in $1 million increments every year of the contract, would be perfect. We’d still have about $27 mill to spend which would give us enough to go after a max guy and another very good player of our choosing.

that i woke up early to do work, but just ended up reading and re-reading this thread as it updated.

Either Lee or Boozer would be ideal big man pairings with HWSNBN, with a slight edge towards Boozer, only because I liked watching him when he was at Duke. However, Lee’s advantage is in fewer games played and the fact he’s not fragile like Boozer, or even Amare and Bosh for that matter.

bosh is better than lee, but not 6 million/yr better. peace boshes!

I haven’t noticed any talk about which PF might be a better chemistry fit.

I am a big fan of David Lee and I’m not going to list all of his hoops strengths and weaknesses. It’s been covered. Over and over again. All the time. I think Lee is the best FIT for NY. And I think he has earned his place here. That we could likely resign him for less than the other guys on this list, helps the TEAM overall. We know what Lee can do with no help, and we have watched him figure a way to be very productive and efficient with numerous players over the years. He doesn’t do much talking about himself either. I like that.

I don’t know that I say the same thing with Bosh though. He does fine with Bargnani, who is a shooting center and forces other centers away from the basket. But its been awful with Turkoglu this season. He was terrific last year with Orlando, but he has been a major bust in Toronto. I have no idea how to blame that on Chris Bosh (and I don’t really) but Toronto has definitely been a disappointment. They have 2 very solid PGs, a Center, a top level PF and playmaking SF. Yet, they are only in the playoff hunt because the East is pretty weak (really, a .500 team is playoff bound this season).

Yeah, Lee hasn’t achieved much here in NY, but we have watched every game and seen his passing ability and how he keeps his teammates involved. Shit, we have no PG so Lee has become a playmaker!! That ability to adapt has to count for something!
Hey, if we can get a top frontcourt guy without losing David Lee, how does that NOT make us significantly better?! The main thing is getting Lee out of the 5 spot.

Oh, I didn’t specifically mention Boozer or Amare in the chemistry thing, but well, Boozer doesn’t convince me that he is a team player either. He puts up great numbers, sure, but I have always gotten the feeling that he is a “me first” player. And everytime he yaps about FA and then later backing off comments about getting traded from Utah, all that stuff just backs up my apprehensions. Amare I think is a “money” guy, but for some reason, I don;‘t have those same questions about his loyalty as a teammate. Some say he tanked earlier this season after the deadline, but I don’t buy that. My preference is to bring in Amare, KEEP Lee, and sign another playmaking leader at the SF/G.

Shit, i meant this to be brief….

i was thinking much about this earlier today, and my GPA is suffering.

LBJ is #1 yeah yeah, but if he doesn’t have the stones to play in NY, how you guys feel about signing a top big man AND keeping lee…then stopping? Bosh and Lee or Amare and Lee (like chris said above); either combo with the Rooster would be one of the best frontcourts in the league. Leaves a bit to be desired defensively, but D’antoni is not going to run with a C who cant score anyway. Bosh or Amare would at least be a presence. With that, you could probably afford to resign mcgrady as another distributor, which i still hold as a good idea, $ pending.

TD
Mcgrady
Gallo
Lee
Bosh/Amare

thrillson, bully, serg, J.R., dorsey, Draft picks, cheap shot blocker, bender, herb coming off the bench. in the words of milhouse: hochie mochie… that is a good, potentially great, team. Add CP3 the following year and they would need a trophy bus. What if…

but im not a big fan of getting bosh or amare at the 5 spot.. it would fit well offensively. but how far would that get us agains teams like LA Orlando or cleveland(w/ HHSNBN)

right now amare is not the center for AZ for a reason. i know he could play the C here in ny with DA, but on defense, he would get abused by dwight howard. Yea, i know, who wouldnt get dominated by him right? But IMO a defensive C would at least bruise with howard throughout.. get him gassed, our in foule trouble, or batttle the boards with. Amare or bosh at the center leaves too much to be desired for a center.

All that being said, If HHSNBN doesnt fall through, the plans above sound like the best scenario…. Withought “reaching” or spending too much. Then shooting for melo/cp3 next offseason.

my only ? is where does will fit with all this happening? is he trade bait? i hope not. Thats the type of player that would THRIVE w/ HHSNBN.

but putting bosh there would be Lee2.1 all over again. Your right, there arent too many options if your looking for a right now replacement at the C.

Camby is ther..but for him to get starters minutes…ehh..im not sure. I havent watched him play in years.

All in all, I am happy that we all could even be discussing these possibilities. We will REALLY get to see how smart of a GM Walsh can be. He has the team, money, and the right offseason to single handedly remake a roster. And honestly..im feelin kinda good. I think walsh has the cojones and swagg of a GM that “means business” Donnie the hurtline Walsh!