Rudy Fernandez trade talks

Just sayin’ I think value-wise on the open market, we could do better than Will for Rudy straight up. Ignoring how I team looks… if you had to pick the “better player”, I think most people would say Will over Rudy.

I think something like * Will + 2nd Rounder FOR Rudy + 22nd Pick *. I would be on board for that… NOT a simple one-fer-one deal.

However, Rudy is not well coached in Portland, they play him sparingly and play him solely as a 3-point specialist, which never works since jump shooters need consistent minutes in order to build a rhythm.

When Rudy does get that rare chance to finish at the rim he finishes above the rim, Chandler mostly scored in the paint and he almost always uses a layup. Again his layup skill is among the best in the league but he should not be rated a better athlete then Rudy since Chandler isn’t the fastest sprinter in the world nor can he jump out of the gym like he used to.

This season was a bad year for Rudy, which is why I labeled him a risk for NYC, just like Chandler is a risk for Portland because of his injury history.

09-10 season totals
Rudy – 62 Games, 2 Starts, 1,440 MIN, 160-423 FGM-A, 98-266 3PM-A, 85-98 FTM-A, 164 REB, 127 AST, 62 STL, 11 BLK, 72 TO, 503 PTS.
That’s averages of 23.2 MPG, 37FG%, 36-3P%, 86FT%, 2.6 RPG, 2 APG, 1 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 8.1 PPG.

Chandler – 85 Games, 64 Starts, 2,319 MIN, 412-860 FGM-A, 40-150 3PM-A, 129-160 FTM-A, 348 REB, 138 AST, 46 STL, 49 BLK, 108 TO, 993 PTS.
That’s averages of 35.7 MPG, 47FG%, 26-3P%, 80FT%, 5.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 15.3 PPG.

In far less minutes and far less starts, Rudy had a better 3P% and total, had almost as many assists, just as good a APG average, more steals and a better SPG average. That in an off year for Rudy, in a system that doesn’t use him properly nor cares to, since the coach loves Batum’s defense, has Brandon Roy playing the SG and likes to play Miller+Roy together in the backcourt. How can the guy get his rhythm going when he’s behind Roy on the depth chart, + the veteran Miller and the coach values the D of Batum?

Chandler has better numbers because he’s on a horrible team that starts him, and even then his numbers aren’t astronomically better then Rudy’s. Now lets compare Rudy’s first season with Chandlers’ best.

08-09 Season
Rudy – 78 Games, 4 Starts, 1,992 MIN, 268-630 FGM-A, 159-398 3PM-A, 120-143 FTM-A, 207 REB, 159 AST, 69 STL, 12 BLK, 86 TO, 815 PTS.
Those are averages of 25.6 MPG, 42FG%, 39-3P%, 83 FT%, 2.7 RPG, 2 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 1.10 TO, 10.4 PPG.

Chandler – 82 Games, 70 Starts, 2,319 MIN, 455-1,054 FGM-A, 103-314 3PM-A, 171-215 FTM-A, 445 REB, 170 AST, 71 STL, 75 BLK, 139 TO, 1,184 PTS.
Those are averages of 33.4 MPG, 43FG%, 32-3P%, 79 FT%, 5.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 1.70 TO, 14.4 PPG.

Again Chandler had more minutes and FAR more starts and still hit less 3-pointers with a a worse average, and barely did better then Rudy in total Free throws, Assists, Steals and Points, while barely averaging better then Rudy in FG%, APG & PPG, while hitting less of his free throws.

For their careers Rudy has 1,318 PTS, 286 AST, 131 STL, 257 3PM, on 3,433 MIN, 140 Games & only 6 Starts.

Chandler for his career has 2,432 PTS, 341 AST, 132 STL, 152 3PM, on 5,739 MIN, 182 Games & 150 Starts.

Chandler has played more minutes, more games, started more games and has one more season under his belt then Rudy and still he numbers, both averages and totals, aren’t that much better then Rudy’s.

Rudy’s numbers show that he is a far better shooter, especially from 3, is a better passer and steals the ball at a higher rate. Chandler is a much better rebounder, shot blocker and does a better job of scoring in the paint but his numbers are inflated compared to Rudy’s because Chandler gets consistent minutes, while Rudy does not. Chandler plays on a horrible team with no one in his way on the depth chart, Rudy has Brandon Roy playing his position.

I like Chandler but I feel that Rudy would have far better numbers in NYC, with Chandler’s minutes, and Pringles offensive schemes then Chandler has in his time here, plus Chandler is starting to show a propensity for getting injured, which is troubling. If I had a shot of landing Rudy straight up for Chandler, or trading Chandler + 2n round picks for Rudy and a late 1st round pick I’d do it STAT!

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To be clear I would not trade either Wil or TD for Fernandez….and even tho TD will most likely be our starting PG…I don’t think he’s anything but an above average backup in the NBA…..he’d be a great bench guy to give quality minutes to a much better PG

What?? You mean T-Mac ain’t comin’ back to run the show???

Why do so many people value Chandler over Douglas? The man is our ONLY PG, how does that not register? We cannot trade for one, unless New Orleans is crazy enough to ship out CP3, and we cannot draft one since there is no one of real value at that position in this draft not named Wall/Turner.

Earl Barron is our only center. I guess that means he is more valuable then cock is. Who gives a shit if TD is our only “point guard”? Go get another one. We also have no shooting guard, and no center. We only have like 3 players on the roster. I like Chandler more then Douglas.

Some of you guys here just drink the kool-aid for players like Gallo and TD, which is awesome, until it gets to a point where you act like they are so untouchable and amazing that nobody in the league is better then they are, and anybody who disagrees with anything you guys think about these players must just be a troll and be some kind of moron.

I have been flamed here on numerous occasions just for criticizing Gallo, who hasn’t done anything during his career besides jack up 1000 3 pointers. Does he have a lot of room to grow and some serious potential? Sure, but right now he is just a 22 year old who has had serious back issues that hasn’t really been able to do anything in the NBA besides chuck up long balls to this point. While I like gallo and think he has a bright future, please excuse me if I don’t get a boner over what the guy has done to this point in his career, even though at times here you would think he was better then Dirk.

Toney Douglas will be a nice bench player on a good team, but thinking he is a starter based on a 1/3 of a completely lost season where TD had no pressure on him? I don’t know, I hope you guys are right, I just don’t see it. Not yet at least.