Free agency is nigh!
I've spent the past year and a half or so with hands over both ears, shouting "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" when people brought up 2010 free agency. The discussions about which free agents wanted to go where, which teams had cap space, and which celebrity chefs and strip clubs were in the picture came laden with too much hype and too little substance for my liking. With the July 2010 in the distant future, I preferred to just keep my head in the sand.
Now, not so much. July 1st is days away. The time has almost arrived for He Who Shall Not Be Named to be named. Instead of wild speculation and promises of My Chemical Romance tickets, we'll have meetings, offers, negotiations and, eventually, signings. After Thursday, the free agency pool will become clear. The bullshit will settle to the floor, and each of the big names will surface with a team (which is a pretty gross image when taken literally, especially in Chris Bosh's case for some reason.). It's kind of funny to me that, after all the posturing from teams, fanbases, media, and the players themselves, each free agent will sign with one team and one team only. A lot of very insistent people will prove to be flat-out wrong. That's how it has to happen.
Anyway, here's what seems to be factual at the moment:
From Isola:
The Knicks will get their audience with the King on Thursday.
A source confirmed Saturday that the Knicks will be one of the teams scheduled to make a presentation to LeBron James in Ohio on the first official day of free agency. The Nets, Bulls, Heat, Clippers and the Cavs are also meeting with James in his hometown of Akron during the first two to three days of free agency.
Knicks president Donnie Walsh, coach Mike D'Antoni and Walsh's special assistant, Allan Houston, are expected to make the trip. It is unclear if Garden chairman James Dolan will accompany the Knicks' contingent.
And from ESPN's Ian O'Connor:
Meanwhile, as James makes the Knicks play this high-stakes game on his home court, fellow blue-chip recruits Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh have agreed to make campus visits to New York.
Knicks officials are hoping to convince James to ultimately travel to New York for a news conference that would mark the franchise's biggest day since the 1973 championship.
Wade and Bosh already have committed to a New York visit to see and hear a presentation on why they should gamble the balance of their primes on the Knicks -- with or without James in the lineup.
So, that's wassup. Like our friend Dan says, it's tough to know how to feel and what to expect. Media folks and their sources will point us in all different directions, so we've just got to do our best to follow the facts. Get ready for a wacky couple of weeks.
Update: And, right on time, Chris Broussard just twat a bunch of relevant stuff:
Knicks' first free agent meeting will be with Joe Johnson at midnite EST July 1. Sources say NYK Johnson's first choice.
After meeting J.Johnson on July 1 in LA, where it will be 9 p.m. June 30, Knicks will then fly to see Stoudemire in Phx the same night
Finally, at 1 p.m. on Thursday, Knicks will meet with LeBron in northeast Ohio
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i've been ready for this for a long time
whatever happens is fine.
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by stingy d on Jun 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
except if we don't sign anthony morrow to something silly
we screwed the poochie
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Morrow is plan A
Bosh is plan B.

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well if johnson's in LA
Then they might just be starting on the west coast and heading east.
Then again, Dziedzic is probably Donnie Walsh.
Then Donnie Walsh
Loves him some Cole Aldrich
you know what
if lebronze doesn’t want to sign with the knicks, ultimately its a lack of cojones.
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or
the fact that he would rather play with derrick rose. but i guess that cojones thing is a valid theory as well.
no,
that would be a reason why he would want to play for chicago.
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because when it comes down to it
new york appears to present the toughest challenge. chicago, the easiest.
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“All our work, our whole life is a matter of semantics, because words are the tools with which we work, the material out of which laws are made, out of which the Constitution was written. Everything depends on our understanding of them.” – Felix Frankfurter
I don't really get the Chicago thing...
sure, on paper, Derrick Rose is a great PG. Joakim Noah is a solid role player at C (is he better then Varejao?). You got Deng there still, Taj Gibson is very good too.
Does that team really fit? You need at least a couple knock down 3pt shooters. Now they could get Korver or something like that of course, but so can the Knicks.
Also, Rose is a dude who creates. Would he and Lebron really work? Probably yea, but since Lebron needs the rock more…wouldn’t that take Rose down a peg or 3? He’s not a great catch and shoot guy, either is Lebron.
Also, Joakim Noah fuckin HATES Lebron, stemming from that bullshit dance spree they had in one of their regular season beatdowns. So…maybe Noah requests a trade?
I don’t think Chicago is as cut and dry as everyone makes it out to be. Neither is Miami, they gotta get everything.
I really don’t give a shit if this makes me a homer, but Lebron and Gallinari (improving cock of course) makes for a better tandem then Rose and Lebron. All that matters is fit.
Cock knocking down corner 3’s +Lebron creating > Rose creating and LeBron creating.
Knicks got more knockdown shooters then the Bulls too, even as it stands right here and now.
Fuck that BS Chicago has a playoff team, and needs Lebron to go over the top. They don’t really fit around him.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
noah is much better den varejo
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by IB on Jun 27, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not really....
but good try I guess.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If he came to Chi...I'm pretty sure Noah wouldn't mind
as long as it’s gonna help the team win more games, that hate, if there even is any, would dissolve pretty quickly.
better work on that corner jumper
best of luck with the 25 footer too.
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Yes, but...
A trio of Rose, James, Bosh sounds much better than a trio of Gallo, James, Bosh.
The fact that Gallo might complement James better was only important when the knicks were the only team that could produce Bosh as well.
Also, though the Bulls claim that Noah is untouchable, its very plausible that he will be included in the sign and trade to get Bosh, because Chicago are still about 3 million short from offering both Lebron and Bosh max money. The only thing I got from Bosh’s interviews is that he wants to make sure wherever he goes he will get max money, and the only way he can get it is through a sign and trade.
So once Noah (and probably Deng) are gone to Toronto, Chicago can then start adding pieces with approx 15 million available to them. I think they can get good pieces with this kind of money available.
they can't get Bosh AND James
unless they get rid of Deng
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Which means that they can.
Right now they can sign Bosh outright if he’s willing to take a pay cut (which he won’t).
Bosh can force Toronto’s hand by demanding a sign & trade with the Bulls, in which case Deng and Noah are in play, and that’s not bad value for the Raptors especially given they added Ed Davis in the draft.
Noah is what makes the Bulls an attractive option.
Rose does too of course, but without Noah, they’re missing a big part of what it takes to win..and a big part that separates them from a team like the Knicks.
Toronto doesn’t have to do anything, actually. They can just tell Chicago to piss off, Bosh too.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
Toronto can tell the bulls and Bosh to piss off, but why would they do that?
They will lose Bosh without any compensation of even semi-equal value and they will not be able to use the money on one of the top available free-agents because nobody really wants to go to Toronto.
Well Deng really ain't much of a compensation.
he’s an OK player, but really overpaid. They’d probably make them take back Turkoglu anyway cuz he doesn’t want to play there.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Turkoglu cannot be included
Though Toronto will want to do that, I don’t see how it can workout cap-wise. I think the caper for Toronto will be Noah, who could form interesting tandem with Bargnani.
Deng, I assume, will probably be added to match salaries.
how is the only way for bosh to get a max a sign and trade?
you know he could always sign to the knicks for max or the nets or any team that has 16 mil to throw at him. very foolish of you to say that
by karamjitm9090 on Jun 27, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm curious
Who, without Noah, plays Center? Miller, Chris Richard? Gibson? Bosh? Gank more cash out for a center flavor of the day? More trades, big mess…I’m not even gonna try to figure it out but don’t care. All these teams will have to be super creative in some cases or ride out with a pretty big hole somewhere (and with some of egos, a pretty big ’hole somewhere). Just care about the Knicks…the rest can sit back, do what they want, and will hopefully soon be watching the shock and awe show coming to a Garden near you.
Who plays center? that's the question?
We are talking about a theoretical scenario that will leave the Bulls with 5 signed players and an open cap of approx 14-15 million. so who plays center is not really important. Josh Boone will play center, or Jermaine O’Neal, or Brad Miller, or Shaq. It doesn’t really matter who plays center, like it didn’t really matter on paper that Kendrick Perkins will play center around the newly formed big three in Boston 3 years ago.
All they need is 4 solid contributers and 14-15 mill will get that for them.
For the record: I wish James and Bosh come to the Knicks like almost everybody else here. But it just seems to me like Chicago right now is the better situation.
Don't underestimate Perkins....
that couldn’t be farther from the truth that “it doesn’t matter” who plays C. Perkins is an excellent defender and is a huge dude. Him and Rondo most likely benefited from playing around the big 3, but lets not act like they weren’t important.
Probably the biggest reason the Celtics didn’t win game 7 is cuz they had no Perkins.
Size does matter in basketball. You don’t have a true C..you ain’t winning. Especially in a system that Thibideau most likely will install.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep it in the timeline
I don’t suppose this was your impression of Perkins before Danny Ainge’s moves 3 summers ago which brought Garnet and Allen to Boston?
At that point in time Perkins was a spot filler, no more no less. Perhaps Boston saw his potential for rebounding and defense, and 3 years later surrounded by very good players he was able to make a name for himself.
What I’m saying is that in 13-14 mill of cap space they have enough money to find good complimentary players. There are centers in abundance in this free agency period.
Its the coach
Thibedeau arrived in 2007 as well. And you can say the same thing about Rondo.
The Bulls, with no Noah, don’t have that sort of player on the roster. Perkins was in the league for a while too, but still young. There’s just nothing like that on the Bulls to work with like that.
There’s really no player like that who’s a FA either. If they have Lebron and Bosh, they are not getting a Brendan Haywood either.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
And that’s the point. Why would they get rid of Noah? You want him in there with the other s’posed 2…it makes the other 2 better and helps Rose get the lanes he needs…blah blah blah, who cares. Back to the Knicks!
I think Nilov makes good points here
Sure the Bulls would potentially look much less intimidating if they have to give up Noah to bring in Bosh. One might even argue that it might not be worth doing if that is the case. Noah is breaking out and is significantly cheaper than Bosh right now and when there is a new CBA he wont be as expensive to resign.
Of course Center matters in the NBA, but given a lineup with Bosh, Gibson and James in the frontcourt, that spot might be less of a hole. Of course, with Bosh saying he wants to play his ‘natural position’ (didn’t know the NBA had a reverse cowgirl spot…) that makes it more likely for the Bulls to sign a cheap C, or maybe put Gibson in the middle.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 28, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I can say the same thing about Rondo.
The talent level in the NBA is very high, and often you hear executives saying that in the right conditions a lot of players can reach stardom. In my opinion (and I have no interest to debate it, that’s just my opinion) both Rondo and Perkins’ success has a lot to do with them playing below the radar with the opposing teams’ focus being on KG, Pierce and Allen. I’m not singling out one factor that contributed solely to their success, but confidence is sometimes the difference between a good player and a great player.
In regards to Perkins, if you look at his stats from 06-07 he had 4.5 ppg and 5.2 rpg. you can find many players, that in the right coaching (Thibedeau) and surrounded by the right players (Lebron, Bosh, Rose) could become solid complimentary players for Chicago.
For example: I mentioned Josh Boone. He had 4 pg and 5 rpg last year for the Nets (and 8.2 ppg and 7.2 rpg in 2007-08). Along with Bosh and James in the front line he could play a similar role to Perkins. And he would cost them about 2 mill, which will leave approx 12-13 mill for the Bulls to sign a shooter (or shooterS), a six man, etc.
Both y'all make points with your opinions
but whats not a given is Thibbs as a head coach. Although most of bostons defense is credit to thibbs. I dont put him as a guarantee to be a good hc at all. They have a talented roster, and a very personable head coach.
I believe its just a big(if not more) of a risk to join a rookie hc as it is to join ny … just my 2 cents
It is a
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I don't think he'll be any better then Mike Brown
defensive “genius”, but offensively….bland.
Can’t see how that exactly helps him.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a lot more to it
Its really a crap shoot.. not as much as a coach coming from college…but coming from a great team with a good hc. To now being responsible for everything that goes on with your team? ITs a huge step.. and he could very well thrive in the situation..but he could also bomb out and go back to being a defensive assistant.
Im not saying i think he will be shit..but the risk involved is a LOT more than waht ppl are giving notice to.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I agree about Thibs being a unknown quantity
But, even if he ends up just a good defensive coach, and as unimaginative offensively as Mike Brown, the talent and firepower of a potential Chicago team that includes James, Bosh and Rose will compensate for that.
And he can also hire an offensive minded assistant that will help him with what he’s lacking.
And in regards to my opinions, I think they are based on a pretty strong rationale (you can disagree, of course). And opinions is ALL that we are selling here anyway.
What makes you think Chris Bosh wants to be in a tandem?!
Everything he is saying in the media points to him wanting to get what HE wants.
How many teams have had trios in the past? Ray Allen, Glen Robinson, Cassell. Didn’t win cus they didnt mesh.
Dallas: Kidd, Mashburn, Jackson… they imploded after an affair.
SA and Boston worked because they brought in players who checked their egos at the door.
No one is gonna argue that James doesn’t have a huge ego. At least he knows how to handle it. Bosh? Bosh is showing his ego by prancing around to every city he can and talking up their team. Every city EXCEPT his current Toronto team. I like Derrick Rose too, but he has been the guy in Chicago doin the groundwork and now with Noah’s breakout, they suddenly want to bring in two huge stars with star-sized egos.
Chicago may indeed get their stars, but NOW you got a rookie coach to balance all of these egos??!?!
I’m not convinced this is the best move for Chicago…. and I think Lebron is not entirely interested in being Chris Bosh’s teammate. I have nothing to back that up, but thats my hunch. So whatever
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 27, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
"No one is gonna argue that James doesn’t have a huge ego. At least he knows how to handle it."
Can’t say I agree with that one.
Is it LeBron or bust in NY?
Or would you settle for a Stoudemire/Johnson duo?
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TURRIBLE!
i do not want johnson, at all
johnson’s contract will be an albatross within 2 years, he’s a ball-hogging bum that stops the whole offense when he needs to create shots. that may be mike woodson’s fault, but i don’t want to take the chance.
of course, i would gladly take amare.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is does MDA want Johnson at all
He just may be here after all, and just might be our first signee in hopes of grabbing one of the other 2 or 3. Add Johnson, you might have to scrap wade or live with a BC of Wade / Johnson. I don’t want Bosh here but the reality is he could be. Gonna have to live with it. I don’t care who’s here then at the end of the day. They all have pluses and minuses. I can’t stand Amare but he’s a better scoring option than Bosh in this offense. We need a starting C at any rate* unless any one of these guys decides to start playing respectable D at the PF spot. We already have or will get good D at the SF spot and great D at the PG. We have decent inside/outside scoring from Gallo, Walker and TD, the question is, will they start stepping up or taking up the slack when the other guys drop off. Uncoordinated as it looked sometimes, Gallo showed he could drive and put a hurt on opposing teams. He just would cchoose not to too often. You can’t spend 80 games hanging at the perimeter. You need to back em off with drives. Above all, no matter what happens this summer, this team needs one mommalooka of a chip on their shoulder and the swagger that goes with it. Confidence. It may cost some injuries but these fellas need to be throwin’ their bodies around, hard foulin’ when they need to, backin’ eachother up, and leaving the celebrating to the end of the game. Pass and move, create space, create smart shots, and hustle to the other end to defend.
- Per above about the C spot, our Centers – even Barron, are essentially 1st year players. Barron because he’s had to work hard to become NBA ready. 10 or so games doesn’t really tell the story with him even if it did show promise…with a grain of salt tho as I doubt opposing teams were expecting anything from him at the time. But I like these guys, they do show promise and they just need to play competent D and rebounding, and harrass a few people when they try to get in the paint. Teams need to think twice about driving the lane on us, unlike last year which seemed like a damn practice session for oppposing teams sometimes. It actually pisses me off that in the meaningless last game of the year they didn’t even have the dignity to stop the Raptors from whopping 130 on us. Who cares who’s here. I want a friggin’ new attitude, a win or else culture. Give a shit. Everyone thinks they suck…show em how ya really feel and slap a can of whoop-ass upside they’re heads. This team can score flat out as is. The new centers give us hope. They need to bring the swagger, and take it upon themselves to play team basketball, team defense. It’ll be fun just to watch Isola and company melt like the wicked witch cuz they ain’t got no negativity to swing our way. Fuck em all.
good point
Pringles system made Joe Johnson. Dude was damn good in that system way back. But the problem with him is the length of the deal. Not likely he’s gonna be signed for any less then 5 years.
I don’t think of him as a Ray Allen either, so who knows if he can keep him his current level for even 2-3 years.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
its win or bust.
Lebron obviously most likely means winning, given what Cleveland is without him (he’d automatically make the Knicks a 50 win team).
But the goal is to put together a winner. I personally don’t give a shit about one player..tho I’d love to keep David Lee.
But the goal is not one player. Anyone who thinks its simply one player or bust, is a bandwagoner that has no clue, not a Knicks fan, or should be castrated if they are a Knicks fan and believes that BS.
If Stoudemire/Johnson duo (+ others I’d hope) makes the Knicks a contender, hellz yea, get it done. I’d even throw Bosh/Johnson in there even tho Bosh has 4 lips.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely not lebron or bust at p&t
it’s tough not to want the most intimidating player in the game. but i just want the chance to have a successful team, that ultimately can contend for the title. and i don’t really dig lebron’s bloated egotistical histrionics.
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what if we trade gallinari?
and re-sign duhon? and don’t really add anybody?
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Nice comeback.
Its Knicks Or Bust in this bich.
by JerzeeBalla on Jun 27, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for this nightmare scenario, but...
Johnson and Stoudemire? is it really that much better that Jamal Crawford and Zack Randolph? If it is, I’m pretty sure the difference is not worth everything we did to get to this point.
While being a Crawford fan and not much of an Amare fan
You’re at the least giving Crawford WAY too much credit.
true.
I was exaggerating obviously, but the point is that the Knicks started the D’Antoni era on a pretty good note. I don’t remember exactly but I believe they were 6-3 at the start playing pretty good basketball, they looked like they could be a legitimate playoff team.
Then we tore everything up, sent Crawford and Randolph (which were our best players) in order to start a process that will make the Knicks a legitimate championship contending team. A tandem of Johnson and Amare is not THAT big of an upgrade over Crawford and Randolph. This was not the stuff of champions in Phoenix and they had Nash with them.
its not a great upgrade
but its an upgrade. Z-Bo is good, but he’s not Amare. Crawford’s great when he plays with Joe Johnson, but instead? Not so much.
Those 2 would be better. Plus, you got Cock developing, and I think TD is pretty good too, better then Duhon for sure. They’d have a better overall squad.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
To me this looks like coming around full circle
I prefer (in case we strike out on Lebron, Wade, etc) to sign veteran players on 2-3 year contract (Ray Allen and the likes), keep developing our young players (Gallo, Candler, Douglas, Walker), while keeping as much cap open as possible in case an opportunity presents itself in the next few years.
I was reading in ESPN that Johnson might command 96 million for 5 years. That’s insanity.
yea that is insanity for JJ
is that even possible tho? I’d rather they avoid him. IF they must, I’d rather have Rudy Gay then him (pause). He’s 24 years old, so there’s upside there.
Agree on Ray Allen, but I doubt he’s leaving Boston, he’s from New England.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
thought Ray Allen was from South Carolina originally
Though maybe he just went to HS there. Used to follow UConn during the years he was recruited, that’s what I recall. could be wrong.
true.
Guess its just the UCONN thing.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
ray allen is going to sign with a contender
but yea thats much too much for joe johnson.
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anthony morrow on the other hand....
man, i’d do anything.
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ugh yeaaaa thats what the media keeps telling us
by karamjitm9090 on Jun 27, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's play ball
There are certain players that i’d prefer over others, but i’ll literally take anyone that makes the team better. And if Chicago and Miami stock up and are our sworn rivals once again, so be it: LET’S KILL THEM (in a basketball sense, of course).
"Game Knows Game"
As long as the knicks are ravenous for Ws next year
i’m good. They’re certainly haven’t won as recently as miami of chi-town. Get amped NY.
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by Ray Smuckles on Jun 27, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I need this.
With England being dumped out of the World Cup & my home soccer team of Coventry City being in a state of what could be best described as lethargy I really want something good to happen in the basketball stakes. *
To be honest just getting a team that is 15 games better than any recent season is going to be a fucking major bonus.
(* I think mentioning anything to do with cricket at this point might be a bridge too far ’round these parts.)
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
The thing is
Are we really better off giving Stoudemire a max contract than resigning Lee for slightly less? I’m not so sure.
by wilson candler's neck tattoo on Jun 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
great name!
minus the chandler typo.
anyway this is a very interesting question, i think it depends on how much cheaper Lee really is.
by latrell chokewell on Jun 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was waiting for Harrington's Head Crease
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jun 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hey...
at least we don’t have solomon alabi’s hepatits.
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Or Jarvis Varnado's genital warts
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow I thought I was the only one that found Harringtons head disgusting...
by ap3604 on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No you most certainly were not
Though his lack of rebounding was the most disgusting thing about him, IMO
wow
what an embarrassing debut. had to fix that shit
by wilson chandler's neck tattoo on Jun 27, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
gonna be sad when ill will
gets traded. but i admire the enthusiasm!
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Finally the day's almost here
whatever happens happens…I just want the Knicks to be a better team next year. I do believe these scheduled meetings are a “pity fuck” for LeBron just to be courteous since this hype has been two years in the making. It’s probably down to Cle and Chi (and pair w/ someone else) as far as LeBron goes…Mia will just retain Wade and add BoshorBoozeror Amare plus JJ or Ray on the cheap.
you might say that
but you’d be wrong….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Obv I was kidding about the "better player" part =P
But Arena would be much easier to get from Washington now that they have Wall + Hinrich which might make him the more realistic option…
i bet they'd take curry for a year.
but i’d rather take on joe johnson and amare stoudemire first. i’d be happy to trade for gilbert in one month. more than likely.
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Alright people deep breath is in order
Donnie will take his shot at the guy most of you are dying for (that means you Marc Berman) However, Donnie is probably not gonna be focused on any one guy. He has a roster to fill, If all three guys we picked up on draft night make the team we still have 8 roster spots to fill folks. He can’t afford to play will I or won’t I with any one guy for too long. So expect this thing to go quickly and have an open mind. And please do not be like these idiots and say it is Lebron or bust. Lebron is one player who is an injury away from being out of the league. If we got him and he broke his leg in the 2nd game of the season D’Antoni still has to figure out how to win games. So I hope we can get some guys who can add depth and not just star power.
by Robert Currence on Jun 27, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
An addition..
wasn’t Cleve the team to beat last year. Year the Bron…how’d that work out. For whatever conspiracy theory there exists for his meltdown before finally coming back to earth 3 quarters too late into the last game, except for one half from mo, nobody stepped up or looked like they gave a shit. The only one whom it looked to me seemed to care a put forth an effort, and this is hard for me to admit, was shack. It CAN’T be about 1 guy. It can’t be about 2 guys. 3 – 4 guys couldn’t close it out with Boston. But a TEAM known as the Lakers closed it out cuz every guy about stepped up when they had to at some point in the series. 1st 2 – 3 games odom. Middle games Fisher. Closing it out was Artest. Gasol played steady and Kobe didn’t quite have it offensively so he drew fouls and grabbed rebounds. You gotta know how to do the little things to win. KG actually shows up the last 2 games it mighta been different. We need the little things, the role players, and superstar or not, we still gotta play games.
Watching the Yanks game on ESPN
and on the bottom of the screen, “Knicks to offer Joe Johnson max contract on Thursday”.
ESPN is rarely right, but I hope this ain’t a rare occurrence. That would suck…..max contract? Fuck
KEEP LEE!!!
don't be
i don’t watch baseball. but regardless of all things, they are gonna do what makes the most sense for the team. and then marc berman and frank isola and whoever else will try to spin it to say the knicks fucked up. donnie walsh wants lebron, you’d be out of your mind to think otherwise. but basically, we need better players and a bunch of ’em.
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its not so much Joe Johnson
as the max contract thing. Talent wise he’s worth it like Rashard Lewis was (as in not) and age wise he probably goes into a decline the third year into it (like Rashard Lewis did).
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 27, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of that info came from Broussard
and I’m pretty sure he hates the Knicks. Looks more and more like a personal vendetta.
by Wilson Chandler's Voicebox on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
he also hates proper pronounciation
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 28, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
i just think its odd
that they’re offering JJ this contract already (if the report is true), shortly after hearing that the Knicks camp is bent on a LeBron/Bosh combo. Clearly we don’t know something. That or the reports are false, which is probable.
max to joe?
Man, espn is the king and queen of soap operas. I wonder how they could possibly think we would offer a max contract. Maybe because they say we will be getting two max guys and johnson is the first on the list?
Shyt he’s only first because he’s in LA where 12 pm eastern hits first.
I won’t believe anything until i see quotes by the names involved in the story. Not these bull shyt " unnamed sources" & “league execs”
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
by semsemma on Jun 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's why I don't read ESPN
They spin more shit than a Whirlpool full of dirty diapers, all in hopes of scoring the big story. And if you want he latest scoop (read bullshit), you can become an insider (read Golden Girls Gossip Enima). They dis more people and dish more gossip, than a bunch of snobby ole hoochie mamas at a bridge table. I like CBS Sportsline (Ken Berger has a decent read there now, at least it’s his original opinion that he actually thought out) and some of SI (Peter King, now that’s a classy dude). It’s no secret things HWSNBN has said in the past, but at the same time, there is also no guarantee he’ll follow thru on it (regarding playing with Joe). Anyone can be right right now, even a baby who fingerpaints a pair of knickerbockers on a Lebron pic. Just some folks like to act like they got the inside scoop when they are as accurate as a magic 8 ball. And the beauty of life is, as much as we think we’re right, it’ll always throw us a looey (Lebron signs with team X, trips over Nate on a drive to the basket in a game against Boston, shreds his knees, game over).
No sooner do I give Berger props
Then he joins the “Knicks are in trouble fray” with his latest 5 page epic on free agency. Oh well. Safest bet is t stop reading for me. I don’t understand how writers, “inside sources and anonymous exce’s”, etc think the expectations here in NY are too much for players to want to come here.
I think we are forgetting something
It just occurred to me that I didn’t pay attention to something quite important in regards to the Bulls chances of landing both James and Bosh.
Since they have only 32 mill of available cap space I assumed that James will be signed outright and Bosh will be added in a sign and trade deal.
However given James’ loyalty to Cleveland, and perhaps in a last attempt to appease his hometown fan base, is it fair to assume to he will also allow Cleveland to deal him in a sign and trade deal? And if that is the case, could Derrick Rose be the price Chicago has to pay in order to get Lebron?
Of course in a perfect world Chicago would like to keep Rose (and Noah) AND get Lebron and Bosh, but I assume that a true executive decision is not choosing between the dream scenario and the present roster, but rather between what’s available and the the present roster.
Will any of you pull the following trade (if you knew that that was the only available trade in regards to the two targets you identified): Rose, Deng and Noah for Lebron and Bosh?
they are building the team around rose
i think they pull a norbit and wipe their ass with any deal concerning rose.
They are trying to use the rose noah deal to bring in talent.. now if the right trade is out there involving noah i think they pull the trigger.. but that is rose’s team over there.. But then again this is chicago and their FO is terrible.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I don't see how HWSNBN is even considering that.
the only 2 selling points of Chicago are Rose and Noah. What’s the point of Chicago without Noah or especially Rose.
Makes sense for Cleveland. Less sense for Chicago, and zero sense for HWSNBN. He seems like a dude that helps himself first anyway, so that’s probably not gonna happen.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
but that's precisely my point
Unless Chicago are able to relieve themselves of another 3 million of cap space, they would need to engage in a sign and trade deal with at least one team in order to get Bosh and Lebron.
And if we factor (or assume, rather) that Lebron would not want to have a Cavalier team in ruins on his conscious, that means that Rose might have to be in play for the Bulls to get Lebron. For Chicago, even giving up Rose for Lebron is a no brainer, but Chicago without Rose is less attractive to Lebron.
If this becomes a reality than the Bull’s theoretical advantage over the Knicks becomes null. The Knicks don’t need to engage in a sign and trade deal with either team in order to get Bosh and Lebron. They might chose to do that in order that Bosh will get a bigger paycheck, and perhaps to compensate Lee for his years of service (if he indeed will go the other way to Toronto in part of the sign and trade deal).
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About this non tour campaign….
I think this is all Carters plan for his main man hwsnbn. Although i understand that this decision is very much a BASKETBALL decision and is focused on where his best chances of bringing a trophy to, I dont think that it is 100% choice on who is on your roster.
I mean, the guy(s) are going to be living and working in this facility for 5-6 years. its is absolutely a basketball choice but living environment should also be a part.
Anybody can make their house sound good but you have to see it to believe it.
What i believe is that the first set of interviews will be in ohio. And with that finished he will make second visits to the crop of teams who give him the best impression of winning.
I really believe that the system we will show and the type of players that will surround him will be enough to seriously attract him. It will be between CHi(players) and ny(system, coach).
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
which quite possibly
the Knicks signing Joe Johnson right away, could be the piece that tells HWSNBN…NY it is.
Cuz no one like Chris Bosh, especially not any of these FA’s.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it may
but getting jj right away may mean max dollars to jj….which i am highly highly against doing.
Maybe JJ and pringles have that lost connection and they agree to dip in the pay scale less for achieving that championship? dreaming, i know.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I cant take the waitng
Whats up guys? Im new on here but a regular poster on Blueshirt Banter. What are all your guys predictions? Do you THink LBJ is comin to NY or will we get stuck with a lazy defender in Amare and a ball hogger in Joe Johnson…. I say we keep Lee. The guy gets no respect. Even after putting up insane numbers last year. Id take Lee over Boozer anyday. Possibly over Amare too. Your thoughts?
In 94 I thought i could die in peace... Now I watch a ranger game and just want to die.
were done predicting where
hwsnbn goes. Most of us here are looking for a better TEAM by summers end.
But JJ a ball hogger? and your saying you want to keep lee b/c he gets no respect?
hmmm..suspect reasons i guess..but thanx for ya input ranger man
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
It would be great to keep Lee, absolutely
The general consensus here is that while we definitely want Mr. Akron, He Who Shall Not Be Named (L.James), if he opts against NY, we still have high expectations.
Joe Johnson would be welcome, but few if any of us fel he should be signed for max money.
Amare would also be very welcome here, though paying him a max deal also seems a tough pill to swallow. I think both guys who do much more good than bad though.
The growing thought is to avoid a guy like Carlos Boozer due to questions on his injuries and as a team player. I personally put Chris Bosh in that category, minus the injuries. To me he is a egomaniac (LBJ is too) who values himself before the team. I am doing what I can to showcase that side of him as well. Plenty of people DO want Bosh in NY, but overall I think attitudes are split.
I’d be thrilled to keep Lee and bring in Amare though. I love that frontline.
We also really like Gallinari, so if you have any trades ideas, a good way to get ignroed and dismissed is to include Gallinari in a trade.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, yup, yup, yup and nope....
for me anyway….lol
haha, true indeed, and at least you can defend your reasoning
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 28, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Johnson I'm thinking will not be a "ball hog" in Pringles system.
Lebron…really, everyone would like him, he’s the big prize..yadda yadda…we’re tired of him. And extremely tired of the "Lebron or bust " bullshit people want Knicks fans to believe.
Boozer sucks, yes. Keep Lee, yes. Amare’s max contract, closet “Bosh’ness” make me say piss off the Amare and keep Lee.
Ideally? Lebron + Joe Johnson + Lee. can it happen? Donnie Buckets will tell us.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How about
Amare, Lee, and we hold off and wait for Melo. Maybe try to pry Collison from the Hornets? Possibly sign a guy like Salmons or Barnes to a 2 yr deal in the meantime. Barnes is pretty athletic and would thrive in Dantonis system.
In 94 I thought i could die in peace... Now I watch a ranger game and just want to die.
Melo's probably off the table
he’s gonna sign an extension with Denver apparently (not official yet, but basically…)
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions

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