Monday Topis
by Seth on Jun 28, 2010 5:38 PM EDT
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Good afternoon, babies. Surely, you've been all over the internet reading rumors and opinions on the destinations of various free agents. I'm here to regurgitate some of those, perhaps pass along some articles you haven't yet read, and touch on some other Knicks links. Let's get to it.
- First of all, it's worth mentioning that male topi antelopes have been known to emit false alarm snorts, luring in female mates by signaling the presence of a nonexistent predator. Just saying.
More after the jump.
- Second of all, the beloved and ever ridiculous Scott Schroeder has been hard at work piecing together the Summer League rosters of every NBA team. Two previously unknown names mentioned with the Knicks: Jaycee Carroll and Leo Lyons. No Skita yet, I'm sorry to say.
- You know the "Knicks Night Live" thing that MSG's doing? 3 fans get to spend a night at the Garden while MSG does an all-night special on free agency? Well, one of P&T's own done won the contest. Congrats to commenter "Adam NYC", who assures me he'll report back from the event.
So you still wanna talk about free agency? Well, fine. Here are some items of value that I read today:
- Shoals on Joe Johnson: The Mystery Free Agent.
- Joey's take on all of this (Previously linked by stingy. Thanks stingy!) is harrowing and doesn't fit my mindset at all, but it's typically well-written and insightful.
- Matt Moore in a new CBS gig (congrats, Matt!) on the importance of coaching in each of the free agent destinations.
- Marc Stein's like "forget coaches. How 'bout them owners?" This one doesn't bode well for the Knicks, I'd imagine.
- Frank Isola's like "owners and coaches? What about Allan Houston!?"
- If push comes to shove, Dan L would rather poach from other teams via trade instead of overpaying free agents. These are certainly viable possibilities.
- I know a lot of you don't subscribe to Alan Hahn's blog, but his most recent posts on New York's intimidation factor and the potential of free agents using the Knicks as a decoy are superb.
- Sam Amico's neighborly snooping is my second-favorite L-Word piece of the day.
- Trey Kerby's drawing and quartering of the L-Word is obviously my favorite. It also underscores just how ridiculous all this hooplah is. Remember that nothing is official until July 8th. Almost everything that seems certain now will be turned on its ear by tomorrow.
Meanwhile, Jerome Jordan isn't officially a Knick yet, but the word is that it's still a sure thing. When it becomes official, we will have an over-the-top celebration. Enjoy your evenings, everybody.
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I don't like Topis.
I write about basketball players with Ridiculous Upside. I know you'll love it.
by Scott Schroeder on Jun 28, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
Chicago
Has Mo Nuts and Rob Kurz on their summer roster. So much for them not having any 3 point shooters, I’m afraid.
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 28, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
Sometimes you feel like Mo Nuts
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jun 28, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Question?
As I stated in another post, I’m a Kings fan. I don’t know the in’s and out’s of the Knicks. So I was wondering if Dolan meeting LeBron worries or excites Knicks fans?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
nothing here or there....
Dolan probably means that Lebron thinks that the Knicks are going all out for him, and since Dolan is a lunatic, he doesn’t want to go there.
As for the Knicks fans who count…nothing. Could help, could hurt, with regard to landing him. But the goal is to have a winner, not one player.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad you guys are thinking that way
I find it kind of embarrassing that Bloomberg and a bunch of other celebrities are trying to woo Lebron.
As for free agents, what about an Amare and Joe Johnson combo along with Rudy Gay?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I've come around on Joe Johnson
I don’t like the max deal thing for him tho. And Amare….dude can’t really rebound, so if the Knicks don’t keep David Lee, they’d probably be in trouble there.
I got no reason to believe this hunch, but I’m feeling that if they do nab Joe Johnson on the quick, that Lebron is theirs. I guess it all depends on how they land Joe Johnson, cuz if they just sign him and Lebron to max deals…that doesn’t leave much leftover (tho do they need a ton of extra stuff?)
ideally, they can free up Eddy Curry’s contract in a 3-way deal for Joe Johnson. Get Lebron and land one of the available post players. Or maybe Travis Outlaw and Kyle Korver and Anthony Morrow.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Heard today...
although it might be “ole” news… that JJ was willing to accept less than max from the Knicks cuz of the endorsement possibilities. I know that’s been mentioned before here several times, but it’s the first time I myself have heard it mentioned off of this site and it was a pleasant surprise to start the morning.
heard that too
and him and Pringles are supposedly tight (as opposed to the rumor about Amare hating Pringles…skeptical on all a that really…).
Joe Johnson knows that his best year, tho the numbers didn’t completely show it (47% from 3 did thi…) was that year with Pringles.
Mike Woodson is a like like Mike Brown…just wasting away a talented team (or at least not getting the most out of it offensively).
Joe Johnson could score 25 a game if he’s getting 21 in Atlanta.
And HWSNBN could maybe average a triple double. Imagine him as our Shawn Marion?
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, but regarding Amare and rebounding...
he absolutely CAN rebound when he wants to. He is just onconsistent. When he was pissed at the Suns, he started rebounding like a fiend! Suns fans recognize this too. When Amare is motivated, he will rebound the fuck out of the ball and shatter rims in the process.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly.
but that’s not good enough. Shit, Eddy Curry “can” rebound, he just doesn’t.
Some guys are great rebounders…like David Lee for instance.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you've reached around
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
really, ideally since all these guys seem to be long shots
I’d rather figure a way to get Al Jefferson from Minny. As a pure scorer, I think he’s at Bosh’s level and is as good as any rebounder. His contract, while a lot, is still short term and more reasonable then any of these guys too, aside from maybe David Lee.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Jefferson too, but I worry about his knee long term
and I also think his mental game is kinda weak. Seemed like he was prone to bitching in Minnesota.
It said a lot to me when Minnesota confessed that Love/Jefferson likely wouldn;t be able to play together. Kinda bullshit. Love is an excellent passing big man and a very good rebounder. Jefferson bangs down low. i dont know why these guys aren’t a compliment to each other. Could be coaching, could be one is an ass.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
But they seem to have chosen Kevin Love to keep...
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Losing breeds bitching
especially when the coaching is incompetent.
If Al Jeff was here and won, I doubt that he’d be a problem. Shit, Memphis was decent this year, and Z-Bo was all of a sudden a team guy.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
first comment on summer league
“team that will most likely get their ass kicked… knicks?”
I don't know
I mean, that’s usually the way it goes. But with Rautins and Landry out there? I have a feeling those guys will provide leadership other squads don’t have.
Of course, that’s assuming that those guys don’t get injured and miss summer league, which seems to usually happen….
Dan L.'s Approach
I know it’s not the ideal scenario, but Dan makes some really good points about how Walsh could improve this team a lot (playoffs?) while also setting them up to have a lot of cap space going forward. To be honest, if they do not get LeBron or Bosh, this would probably be the most responsible way going forward. Imagine a lineup of Randolph-Gallo-Walker-Peja-Collison (going strictly from the scenarios he laid out.)
Say they really were able to land Randolph and Collison; don’t you think Melo waits to sign to see how things play out? Then if Ranolph, Gallo, and Collison all have nice years, someone like Melo could come in and really make this a dangerous team.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
Option
Is there any conceivable way to pry Rubio’s rights from Kahn’s incompetent hands? Or CP3 from New Orlean’s broke hands? If it’s neither of them, nor LJ, Bosh or Wade, for god’s sake, close the wallet! Why spend this kind of money on JJ and Amare to guarantee mediocrity!? Wait another year, trust us we’re used to it at this point, and go for Carmelo! If Joe “Houdini” Johnson and bionic Amare is the game plan, I don’t really know what I’m going to do, but my liver will hate me for it.
by shadrach_minkins on Jun 29, 2010 1:39 AM EDT reply actions
I think it might be more feasible to get Jonny Flynn from Minn than Rubio...
unless we are willing to significantly overpay for Rubio’s rights… which I think would be foolish.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the Isola article
I can only hope H2O’s presence means something to whoever we sign.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Jun 29, 2010 3:29 AM EDT reply actions
Agree with Hahn
teams have been using the Knicks for leverage against other teams for years….now ATL is talking about giving JJ the max when it was “leaked” that the Knicks were gonna offer him that….I’m pretty sure now Pho will do the same w/ Amare after their meeting….or even today when they meet knowing Amare could bolt…
I guess some fans own a patent on being a fan.
the Knicks dont seem to really be trying to put together a championship team IMO. Seriously does Dolan truly know what he is doing?
Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
by LoNJDTechnology on Jun 29, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
u know
I got mixed feelings on Dolan.
I feel the best thing an owner can do is shut up and write the check. If an owner actually had basketball experience it’d be different and then all the meddling becomes precious perspective.
But Dolan knows he don’t know shit about B Ball so the next best thing is to hire someone that does and trust them to run things. And this is where he falls flat. Not hiring the right guys, or hiring the right guys and not sticking with them.
He is ideal in that he’ll spend whatever is needed to win, but he doesn’t know shit about managing/ running a franchise or the qualifications it would take one’s self to do so.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jun 29, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed on that idea, I like that he's just a bottomless pocket.
Dolan just doesn’t seem to care as long as the dollars are running in, and well..unfortunately, the Knicks do rake in those dollars no matter the payroll. The Rangers do too..I guess that’s the worst part about having a die hard fan base (Sather’s only still there cuz he hasn’t gotten caught in a sex scandal…yet.)
He doesn’t fire the wrong guys quick enough, is also the problem.
Also, it seems a bit counter intuitive, but having deep pockets can get you in trouble too. Spending is great, but when you’re allowed to spend on everyone elses shit..Francis, Marbury..etc..ugh, you have no flexibility.
That in itself is what’s making Donnie so great so far. Sticking to the plan to get flexibility.
I really hope he maintains that idea, and spends the money wisely.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Dude has got to be more strategic in how he channels that cash. Correct me if I am wrong but with the Knicks payroll they could have two first tier players easy.
Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
by LoNJDTechnology on Jun 29, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, they can "easy"
whether that’s a good idea, who knows…cuz a team is more then 2 max players. Then again, with 2 max players, Toney Douglas and Gallo can be a whole lot better.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, Yo, Ya'll muthfuckas are crazy.
I guess I asked for that one.
Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
by LoNJDTechnology on Jun 29, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the newest "increasingly probable possibility" from Broussard and Stein
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5338472
Looks like Wade met with James and Bosh, so all 3 are more than likely playing in Miami next year. And they’re all confident that Beasley can be traded so all 3 can receive the max deals.
Wake me when it’s over.
by Wilson Chandler's Voicebox on Jun 29, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
don't forget the sales tax
that’s another thing in Florida, cuz it doesn’t exist. The “max contract” in NY is worth about $13 or so in actual dollars..or something like that cuz of taxes.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
this shyt is like a merry go round… first ny..then Chi, now Mia.. whos next to get the publicity of having the FA signings? ….smh lets see, the first is thursday.. so maybe the clippers get some pub before then
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
dude
I had no idea your username existed when I made this one.
That ESPN story has already been revealed as bullshit though. ESPN has been looking like morons throughout this entire thing.
by wilson chandler's neck tattoo on Jun 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
either that or the people reading it are morons
it doesn’t matter though. some of their theories will be right, and that’s all that will matter in the end.
twitter.com/aighttho
http://aightthen.tumblr.com/
they're throwing a bunch of shit against the fan...
they’ll be on the dick of whichever team lands Lebron. Thinking of it that way, I don’t want him on the Knicks then.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but thats stupid too
then you would be disliking a layer partly because other people like him.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
naaah
if they say lebron is going to a different team EVERY day, it just gets sickening. they are pretending that all it takes to win a championship is lebron. and its sooooooo obviously not the truth.
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