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Recap: SummerNuggets 100, SummerKnicks 90

In their first day of Vegas competition, the Knicks' Summer League squad fell behind early, stormed back into contention, but couldn't quite come back against Ty Lawson and the Nuggets. Sound familiar? Doesn't matter. Summer League's about the players, and I've got ample notes to share on most of the SummerKnicks that spun. Let us begin:

Star-divide

Toney Douglas put up a hell of a stat line: 27 points (8-20), 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 steals in 35 minutes. Toney did most of his offensive work from downtown (5-11) or in the open court, attacking the rim for a finish or a drawn foul on several occasions. Toney looked for his outside shot both off the bounce and in catch-and-release situations late in the clock, and stepped confidently into threes throughout the afternoon. Douglas left something to be desired on the pick-and-roll, occasionally missing a rolling big man or trying to wedge a pass through a closed window. At the same time, though, guys like Jerome Jordan and Leo Lyons don't have the same grasp of timing and space as, say, Amar'e Stoudemire, so Douglas didn't always have options. In any event, the majority of those 5 dimes came on the drive-and-kick.

Defensively, Douglas had plenty of trouble staying in front of Ty Lawson. Granted, sticking Lawson is like trying to catch a greased-up mouse. The second-year guard's combination of quickness and power makes him tough for anybody to cover, but Toney could've done himself a favor by granting Lawson a step in the halfcourt set. Toney's defensive instinct is to pick up his man at halfcourt, but with Lawson's first step, there's a point at which it makes sense to let him shoot from outside. To their credit, Douglas and the Knicks did some work to dissuade Lawson later on by forcing him to his left and bringing help early. All told, Toney Douglas' offense looked sharp at a variety of paces, and he facilitated well by driving and finding shooters. The set-up passes off of screens might come with a little more time running alongside these particular big men. Douglas was outspoken on the court, and it seems like he's making an effort to hone his pick-and-roll connections.

Andy Rautins can and will shoot. Always. Rautins pulled off the catch, off the bounce, and with multiple hands in his face. I'm pretty sure that if you toss Andy a basketball, he'll instinctively turn and heave it at the nearest basket, even if that's miles away. The good news is that Rautins has a crazysexycool stroke from outside and a quick enough release that he only needs a sliver of daylight to connect. Driving didn't even cross Rautins' mind, but he did look to pass when Douglas moved off the ball and also showed pretty decent defensive footwork.

Also, everybody here agrees that, particularly in profile, Rautins is a dead-ringer for J.E. Skeets. It's uncanny.

We're gonna love Landry Fields. Landry didn't try to create too much (save for one gorgeous turn-and-fade baseline J), but shot an efficient 6-8 on cuts, broken plays, and putbacks. He puts his otherworldly hops to great use, streaking to the rim to catch passes and clean up misses with abandon. That hangtime bought him a few gorgeous double-clutch finishes and trips to the line as well. Fields isn't the quickest guy on the floor, and Dan D'Antoni told me afterward that he wanted Fields to be more active on defense. Fields looked sharp jumping passing lanes, but struggled a bit moving laterally and staying in front of quicker players. Landry's position as a Knick (2, 3, or even 4), will likely be contingent on match-ups.

An almost unrecognizably slender Bill Walker took a few too many out-of-rhythm threes (1-6), but did look to put the ball on the floor more later on. Bill the Bully never really got into the flow of the game because of a heap of foul calls, many of which stemmed from silly loose-ball collisions (and one of which came after he slam-dunked Coby Karl's head onto the hardwood Just kidding, Marcus Landry was the culprit.). Hopefully, we'll see a sharper, more focused Walker in the games to come. He needs to be aggressive, but also needs to pick his spots (i.e. Driving and drawing contact= Good aggressive. Goosing opposing rebounders= Bad aggressive.)

Jerome Jordan is very big and very active, but the finer things like timing and coordination don't appear to be quite there. We knew this. The good news is that the giant Jamaican appears to be a willing listener, and he covers ground pretty ably for his size. Jordan might prove to be a gem with some NBA coaching. He showed a pretty nice midrange game during warm-ups but the Jerome Jordan Jumper (Triple-J special) didn't see the light of day during the game.

Leo Lyons has a delightfully feline name, but more of a sphyrnid look, if you ask me. He's very aggressive, but doesn't appear that skilled at the moment. To be honest, I took almost no notes on Lyons. All I wrote was "Cool name, weird head."

Jaycee Carroll looks like this, which surprised several of us. He's whiter than Terrance Whiters.

Carlos Powell got the start, but I didn't see him do much of note except for a bunch of fouls.

Patrick Ewing Jr., Ryan Wittman, and Charles Garcia (among others) did not play. Since several of you were clamoring for Garcia, I asked Dan-D'An about Garcia after the game, and he was noncommittal, nothing that he's "got 18 guys" to manage, and that certain players needed extended looks. It remains to be seen whether Garcia (and other DNPs) factor into these plans.

Other notes:

- I'm going to try and get a picture of this, but a guy sitting courtside is wearing a Memphis Grizzlies Jake Tsakilidis jersey. I assure you that he is neither Greek, nor Jake Tsakilidis himself. I need to get to the bottom of this.

- David Thorpe hunts-and-pecks. Don't tell him I told you that.

- The Nuggets were without Brian Butch, who suffered a grisly knee injury on Saturday. It sounds as if Butch is headed home, which is a shame for the Nuggets. He looked pretty solid before going down.

- Mike D'Antoni wouldn't comment on Timofey Mozgov because the deal isn't done yet, but he did sound very enthusiastic about Ronny Turiaf. D'Antoni said he sees Turiaf as a clear-cut five, if you're wondering.

That's all for now from Vegas. I'm gonna sit back now, take in the rest of this Rockets-Blazers game, then grab some food and behold John Wall for the first time in person. I'm already at half-mast.

The Knicks play at the same time tomorrow, and it'll be the same drill here at P&T. Now that I've got a sense for the process, I'll be able to have some more words with the players and, if we're lucky, the namesake himself.

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I thought Rautins was pretty active on D too, flailing for errant passes and the like. He also seemed to be hitting the front of the rim a lot — maybe a leftover from the college three-point arc.

by NZ314 on Jul 11, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad to have found you

I stumbled upon your blog during the LeBron decision fiasco so I consider this discovery the silver lining to that unfortunate episode.

What you say above about Toney Douglas being outspoken on the court is reinforced by Tina Cervasio’s interview with him after the game. I don’t have a direct quote but he made reference to one result of the confidence and experience gained from his 1st year in pro ball being that he would be taking a more vocal leadership role.

Great stuff here and I look forward to learning more about my favorite NBA team through this blog.

by GDHebner on Jul 11, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Toney Douglas

Has swagger for ages. He’s going to be one of the more vocal leaders this season. I guess that means the other players are going to be DWTDS? (Doing What Toney Douglas Say)

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmmm

cervasio

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Jul 11, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Walker

9 fouls and 7 turnovers against D league competition.. Not a good omen. It’sonly 1 game, but a few more games like this one and it’s ’good bye Billy".

by Vincent C on Jul 11, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

my sense

is that bill walker could commit a hate crime on the court and still get his option picked up.

by Seth on Jul 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe

it was actually marcus landry who slammed young karl

by enron4515 on Jul 11, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liked the drafted peoples

And yea, I think Toney Douglas will look a bit better with OneHungLo instead of Leo Lyons as the big person.

Bye, Lee :(

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

you should come up with some funny things

to make the Russian say.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 11, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

its good to be prepared.

 if/when we do sign him, will he show up you think?

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish I got MSG here in DC

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jul 11, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

If you wanted to catch the replay

These guys look like they’re putting up summer league games. Today’s aren’t there yet, but probably by tomorrow

by Dutchmarau on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

these games are also being shown on nbatv if you get that

by CarneyMan32 on Jul 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto on the STL

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 12, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

good looks

It was nice to see the draft picks in action. Didn’t see alot of Pac-10 games so I didn’t realize how big a body Fields is. As much as Mike D’ and I disagree, I have to agree with him on Ronny. I have already claimed to my friends that I will have a Ronny Turiaf jersey before the season starts. If the season started today:

Felton
Chandler
Gallo
Turiaf
Amar’e

and Donnie ain’t done yet…definitely more optimistic than i’ve been in years.

DECLARE

by total hermination on Jul 11, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Landry Fields is the real deal and I am not surprised

I get to see a lot of Pac 10 games and I have seen Landry Fields before. As a four year senior he led that league in scoring and was like a man against boys. He is a very efficient and powerful player with great hops. While the Pac 10 was down last year it is still a major conference and I thought he was a better player than Washington’s Quincy Pondexter who got drafted ahead of him in the first round. I think that he’s got some David Lee in him and given the chance Knick fans are gonna love him.

by bobzillla on Jul 12, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should...

…present Bill the Bull with a “DWTDD” shirt. First, the man lost so much weight he must need some new gear. Second, it reinforces the fact that he should always DWTDD.

by Sh8rp on Jul 11, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks...

for inquiring about garcia… hopefully he sees some time tomorrow. TD was disappointing on defense but as you said Lawson can be a handful and I hate to say this but he had me second guessing DW’s draft last year yet again. But DWTDD showed a whole lot of his own I just hope he can grow into a better facilitator as he matures.

I have seen enough of Lyons after 1 game lol.

by Knicks Fan in OZ on Jul 11, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

The Knicks are doing Chuck dirty,by giving that bum Lyons more burn than him.

by kaution on Jul 11, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

i think they guys would get a better shake

by playing more min in a full game, then giving everyone 3 min.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what i was thinking.

maybe guys will get DNPs one game and ample minutes the next. then again, talking to li’l d’antoni didn’t really give me that impression.

by Seth on Jul 11, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our little Seth

Has really come up in the world. What lies did you tell Little Pringles to get him to talk to you?

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 11, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

gosh

no lies needed. both d’antonis are incredibly friendly.

by Seth on Jul 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You spoke to Lord Pringles?

Wow!

Though that is WTDWD.

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 11, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

asked him about mozgov, he wouldn't comment.

scrambled and asked him about turiaf. he said nothing useful except that he’s definitely a 5.

by Seth on Jul 11, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about. . .

micheal washington? did he make the team?

by CarneyMan32 on Jul 11, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

hey good call

not on the roster. didn’t realize that.

by Seth on Jul 11, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

i was really hoping he would get a shot. cheered for him in college at Arkansas

by CarneyMan32 on Jul 11, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you get a chance tomorrow, could you do me a favor?

Pull Donnie Walsh to the side, grab him by the shoulders and say, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT HIRE ISAIAH THOMAS!!!!!

by CarneyMan32 on Jul 11, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

don’t think he’s here, unfortunately.

by Seth on Jul 11, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

While you're taking requests . . .

Can you ask Rautins to get some sun? I needed to wear sunglasses when he was on the screen.

"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"

by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't every other team in the league?

and he can open up jars full of squid while he’s under water. If they had wheeled his tank into the meeting with LeBron things would be a lot different today.

by bobzillla on Jul 12, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would be great if

that’s how LBJ chose what team he was going to. And that’s what the BSPN special was. Actually that probably would have been more entertaining.

by Timmaht on Jul 12, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m seriously losing sleep over these stories. i cant be the only one, right?

by CarneyMan32 on Jul 11, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Press Conference Tomorrow

I thought I read somewhere that there will be a press conference to introduce felton and safari and crew. Does anyone know if this is true or if i am just making this up? And if it is true, what time its at?

by MHEV35 on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

From The Post

Today, four more new faces will be introduced at another press conference at the team’s Westchester practice facility — Felton and the three Golden State additions from the David Lee sign-and-trade.

Surprisingly, coach Mike D’Antoni won’t attend the press conference because he said it’s more important for him to be with the Las Vegas summer-league team, which began play last night.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/me_amar_and_melo_BU8MzS41wIdwRYLU1D7NTJ

by Sh8rp on Jul 12, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seth

are you getting any footage like last year. exclusive interviews with the players.

by choplo on Jul 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Liked what I saw from...

the guys in their first game. T.Douglas looked great for the most part. I’ ve been hard on the Rautins pick but boy he’s does have a sweet shot. It would be a pleasant thing to have to put a little salt on the crow for dinner n that pick. He needs to get much better defensively, but he has promise. Landry Fields pick was more likeable and he showed why he’s a scorer. He’s got a good nose for the ball and good kinesthetic senses. He moves without the ball well, rebounds and his defense isn’t bad. For the first game, I liked what I saw from those three guys. I agree with the Jordan assesment completely, even though he had a bad game, he kept moving without the ball petty good for a big man. He seems to have a great motor for a big man and with Amare here as a role model, he could come into his own. Didn’t like what I saw from the rest of these guys. Simply put..they played poor. Marcus Landry looked bad, Bill Walker looked bad until late. Carlos Powell looks like he has a mountian of potential, but seemed to be trying too hard, forcing it rather than letting the game come to you. He has a lot to learn too, like Jordan, but has potential star in this body. It’s just the first game, but I will enjoy watching this summer league more than I have in years.

by gaga71 on Jul 12, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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